Spreading the Bonney affliction!
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RagTopTA
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Thanks! Been on the look out for Bonney latwly : )
Private Lugnutz
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Nice socket box, Rags!
RagTopTA
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thanks! Now I'll have to find the stuff to put in it!
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/232863209103
This item is interesting, because it includes a tag that seems to specify the alloy content, though it is still ambiguous: “Chrome Vanadium - 3-1/2% Nickel - Zenel”
This item is interesting, because it includes a tag that seems to specify the alloy content, though it is still ambiguous: “Chrome Vanadium - 3-1/2% Nickel - Zenel”
A few weeks ago I posted a bunch of finds on the garage sale thread, including a rusty Bonney ball pein hammer with a busted handle. Since then, I weighed it and looked it up in the catalogs. It’s a PH10, 32oz head, should have a 16” handle. Well, I cleaned it up and sorted through my spare handles, but all I had was two heavy 15” machinist handles. So it’s an inch shorter than standard. Still have to stain the end that needed fitting.
Edit - retinted the shellac.
Edit - retinted the shellac.
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Private Lugnutz
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Looks good, LS.
As I mentioned on the 2018 Garage Sale thread, I picked up this BON{-/}NEY No. 502 (3/4 x 5/8) "S" wrench with an "EO" date code and a /B\-Shield logo. Given the other markings, I'm thinking this has to be 1923, not 1937. Black enameled, originally, with polished heads.
As I mentioned on the 2018 Garage Sale thread, I picked up this BON{-/}NEY No. 502 (3/4 x 5/8) "S" wrench with an "EO" date code and a /B\-Shield logo. Given the other markings, I'm thinking this has to be 1923, not 1937. Black enameled, originally, with polished heads.
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Nice find!
I had some luck yesterday at the 50-mile garage sale in Cayuga Co NY. I had my hands on a 1037 or 1039 in a 5gal bucket of variously-branded DOEs in plain steel (all for $3!), but I was already burdened with a couple handsaws, and still heading away from my car, so someone else snapped them up.
I had some luck yesterday at the 50-mile garage sale in Cayuga Co NY. I had my hands on a 1037 or 1039 in a 5gal bucket of variously-branded DOEs in plain steel (all for $3!), but I was already burdened with a couple handsaws, and still heading away from my car, so someone else snapped them up.
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Today being Thursday, I devoted myself to hammers.
I had found two 2oz hammers, both split, one with missing wood, the other warped. I superglued the splits and spliced in some ash I had laying around (should be hickory, but this was handier). Tinted shellac to blend in the new wood.
The Bonney catalogs insist that their ball-pein hammers are all about an inch longer than equivalent weights of others’ I’ve found. I have found a few, mostly with split or missing handles. Aling the way, I forgot that a 12oz hammer I had apart had had a perfectly good 13” handle as found (catalogs say 14”), and inadvertantly transferred it to an 8oz hammer. Catalogs say that’s right, but it seems a little thick. Ugg! Memory!
While I was at it, I retinted the 32oz hammer I posted over the weekend.
The next big thing: find a PH13 (48oz!). That one will be named Mjolnir.
I had found two 2oz hammers, both split, one with missing wood, the other warped. I superglued the splits and spliced in some ash I had laying around (should be hickory, but this was handier). Tinted shellac to blend in the new wood.
The Bonney catalogs insist that their ball-pein hammers are all about an inch longer than equivalent weights of others’ I’ve found. I have found a few, mostly with split or missing handles. Aling the way, I forgot that a 12oz hammer I had apart had had a perfectly good 13” handle as found (catalogs say 14”), and inadvertantly transferred it to an 8oz hammer. Catalogs say that’s right, but it seems a little thick. Ugg! Memory!
While I was at it, I retinted the 32oz hammer I posted over the weekend.
The next big thing: find a PH13 (48oz!). That one will be named Mjolnir.
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Private Lugnutz
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I had to look that up!
There was a bunch of Bonney in this lot. I've already posted the Snap/on, Duro, and some others. Late getting to the Bonney.
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Pic 1 is a group shot of just the Bonney pulled out and cleaned up
Pics 2 & 3 are the DOE wrench, which is an ISN “23” (with 13/32” x 1/2” milled openings) marked on the faces with the S.A.E. nut sizes (3/16” and 1/4”) and the early B-shield logo.
Pic 4 is the wartime era 10” extension (4091X) and some mixed prewar (CV) and wartime sockets. Love the dark plain steel finish.
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Here are the special wrenches accompanied by their 1932 catalog figures.
Pics 1 & 4: Bonney No. D2531 Chevy motor support bolt wrench (Ignore the longer double offset in the photo. It’s not marked and I have my doubts about it being Bonney.)
Pics 2 & 5: Bonney No. 2535 Dodge brake wrench
Pics 3 & 6: Bonney No. 2578 Ford fan belt hook spanner
Pics 1 & 4: Bonney No. D2531 Chevy motor support bolt wrench (Ignore the longer double offset in the photo. It’s not marked and I have my doubts about it being Bonney.)
Pics 2 & 5: Bonney No. 2535 Dodge brake wrench
Pics 3 & 6: Bonney No. 2578 Ford fan belt hook spanner
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RagTopTA
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ahh there it is! thanks, TM! Still got that Herbrand set if interested, just holler at me on pm!
Realized an ambition today to snag a Bonney S-handle adjustable wrench. Got it with a Barcalo, so made some comparisons.
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Capt. Spaulding
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I recently found some Bonney sockets with a triangle stamp on them. Any info on these?
Triangle purchased Bonney Sep1967, Cooper acquired Triangle in the 1980s. So the triangles indicate manufacture between those dates. I would direct you to Toolarchives, but looks like the site is still having issues. Alloy Artifacts has this.
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Do they have the Loc-Rite broaching? (Rounded instead of pointy inside the socket). The BEST sockets around!
As LesserSon said, Triangle Tools era tools. Very good tools, Bonney's best!
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Some Bonney Chrysler MTSC ratchets and sockets came my way today from the ‘Bay. There were rust stains on several pieces. While cleaning it off, I decided to do some exploratory surgery on one of the A-702K rats.
The internals required some improvisation, and of course the pins got jammed, but patience and WD40 got them out. Went together a lot easier. Along the way, I learned that the gold-tone is some type of polymer coating. Scrapes off with use or a blade. I’d like to say cleaning the rust out of it made it smoother, but not by much. Probably get the same improvement with a soak in oil. It feels cleaner, though.
Came with 1/2 - 15/16 Loc-Rite sockets.
The internals required some improvisation, and of course the pins got jammed, but patience and WD40 got them out. Went together a lot easier. Along the way, I learned that the gold-tone is some type of polymer coating. Scrapes off with use or a blade. I’d like to say cleaning the rust out of it made it smoother, but not by much. Probably get the same improvement with a soak in oil. It feels cleaner, though.
Came with 1/2 - 15/16 Loc-Rite sockets.
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Crossed paths with some Bonney today. A AA707 rat came from eBay - has anyone had one of these apart? I have both snap rings off and there’s movement, but not coming out.
A No114 2” Champion vise missing the clamp screw, a very small DOE, and a wood-handle P1 stubby that is not stamped with Bonney or Stanley.
I spotted two Bonney items that I didn’t buy: a totally screwed P3 driver (too far gone to be saved) and a 3/4dr female ratchet plug with both detent balls rattling (dead springs, I guess) and a noticeable twist from abuse.
A No114 2” Champion vise missing the clamp screw, a very small DOE, and a wood-handle P1 stubby that is not stamped with Bonney or Stanley.
I spotted two Bonney items that I didn’t buy: a totally screwed P3 driver (too far gone to be saved) and a 3/4dr female ratchet plug with both detent balls rattling (dead springs, I guess) and a noticeable twist from abuse.
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My guess is between April 1964 and September 1967. The knobs and brown krinkle look like Kennedy made it. Value? Whatever someone wants to pay, where and when you sell it. I was was offered a somewhat smaller and older Kennedy with the garage-door and key for $20 and declined, because it recently had been sprayed glossy black inside and out. Mercifully, the glides were spared, but the felt was half-ripped out and the rest sprayed over. I figured it was more work than I wanted to do. So...don’t paint it. At a flea market in my area, I might think it would sell at $30-40. The hardwood machinist chests range $150-200, so I don’t think a metal one is going to reach $100, even on eBay, even with “Bonney” on it. But who knows? Maybe someone with a collection of late 1960s Bonney machinist tools is looking for one right now.
My guess is between April 1964 and September 1967. The knobs and brown krinkle look like Kennedy made it. Value? Whatever someone wants to pay, where and when you sell it. I was was offered a somewhat smaller and older Kennedy with the garage-door and key for $20 and declined, because it recently had been sprayed glossy black inside and out. Mercifully, the glides were spared, but the felt was half-ripped out and the rest sprayed over. I figured it was more work than I wanted to do. So...don’t paint it. At a flea market in my area, I might think it would sell at $30-40. The hardwood machinist chests range $150-200, so I don’t think a metal one is going to reach $100, even on eBay, even with “Bonney” on it. But who knows? Maybe someone with a collection of late 1960s Bonney machinist tools is looking for one right now.
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BTW, I got the AA707 apart: the culprit was a tiny inward bulge where it must have been dropped or struck. I got all the microgrit out of it and brushed up the components. There was a rubber O-ring that has given me some thoughts. It seemed a little hardened but not brittle. I tried to keep its exposure to solvent and oil at a minimum. I lightly coated the other components with a little oil. I counted 60 teeth. Here it is with its bretheren. Do I have the ontogeny/phylogeny correct, top to bottom?
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Hmm Lesser, I had a AA707 ratchet - I call it a sweet heart ratchet due to the heart-shape bump on the back - and I don't recall there being an o-ring in it. Mayge someone added it to reduce excessive play?
Here's my pics:
P.S. Didn't know they had a 3/8" drive version. Have to keep an eye out for that.
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The heart-shaped “bulge” coincidently looks like the element in the Stanley “sweetheart” era logo, but is actually a functional two-position depression on the inside of the backplate for the pin on the backside of the reversible pawl to ride in.
I think the O-ring is factory.
Edit: it is. The 1960 catalog shows the 707 series with a handle design more like the 701, says “patent pending” and “notice will be made by factory when available for shipment”, and “sealed head”. The 1963 catalog shows the handle disign in our pics, lists “ring” as a component for the repair kit. I don’t see the V707 in 1/4dr size in those two catalogs, but I would think it exists.
I should have taken a side-view while it was apart, but I didn’t. Maybe you can see from this image: there’s a groove for the o-ring. I think it is to seal the head. That’s why I didn’t use grease to lube it. Thinking it wasn’t intended to have a heavy lubricant, as I didn’t find any inside. What do you think? Should I grease it?
I think the O-ring is factory.
Edit: it is. The 1960 catalog shows the 707 series with a handle design more like the 701, says “patent pending” and “notice will be made by factory when available for shipment”, and “sealed head”. The 1963 catalog shows the handle disign in our pics, lists “ring” as a component for the repair kit. I don’t see the V707 in 1/4dr size in those two catalogs, but I would think it exists.
I should have taken a side-view while it was apart, but I didn’t. Maybe you can see from this image: there’s a groove for the o-ring. I think it is to seal the head. That’s why I didn’t use grease to lube it. Thinking it wasn’t intended to have a heavy lubricant, as I didn’t find any inside. What do you think? Should I grease it?
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Hmm. My pic doesn't show a groove for the o-ring on the gear. I don't have any other shots closer in of it, nor do I have the tool anymore.
I'd grease it if I thought it needed it. But if the ring is a little stiff like you said lubricant might affect it. And not knowing what rubber compound it is makes it hard to guess what lube to use.
In situations like this I tend to use Vaseline. It's pretty inert - I mean, if you can use it on a baby's bottom it should be OK for a tool, right? And it has a low melting point, so it might liquify some on a warm day and act like a looser lube. Might do the trick.
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My one sad little ES tool find this weekend. Not even enough to hold my head up in the Garage Sale thread. Haha.
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Hey, a Bonney's a Bonney, whatever the era or condition.
I have a set of those shorty double box ends. Very handy in the shop.
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Capt. Spaulding
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Will be cleaning up some Bonney sockets I found at a garage sale today. Can’t wait! For some reason I’m just drawn to Bonney tools. Sockets and wrenches to be specific. I’ll post em up once they are clean. I would love more info on the sockets.
Yep, me too!
About the only problem I've had with the later Triangle Tools era sockets is the deeps aren't always broached the full length of the socket.
On 1/4"ers that really bugs me, so I've switched to enhanced broached late model Craftsman sockets. If they get buggared up or worn on the end, I grind them down a 1/8th of an inch. Nice and sharp corners!
Plus I can go semi-deep or ultra shallow, and know I'm not doing that to a Bonney.Username already in use
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I usually only buy new or NOS hand tools. Yesterday I downloaded the Ultica/Bonney Loc-rite™ PDF that explained their flank-drive style hand tools that must have been decades old. What a tool Co! Now I shall seek some loc-rite sockets & wrenches which won't be as easy to find on home soil compared to US.