Spreading the Bonney affliction!

[alinc100]

A buck a piece? You stole those wrenches!

Definitely a You ****!

Here's pics of the total haul,obviously not all Bonney. Itemized list can be seen here: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/2023-garage-sale-thread.508550/post-10039976 On another note I found our dear friends at Harry J. Epstein's has the missing fill in wrench. Will be ordering shortly.

 

[HeelSpur]

Picked up these 10 & 12 inchers with the pipe jaws from a lady that said they were her grandfathers so I take it they've spent a life time together. Wish she had the rest of the set.

 

[gleman]

This Bonney wrench came to me from the ReStore.

What do these marks on the heads mean?







I know the SAE but what is CAP and OC.
The o is more like a hexagon than a capitol O. Any help would be appreciated.

 

[LesserSon]

Pre-1929, sizes on wrenches referred to threaded fastener diameter, not the across-flats distance of their heads (or the opening of the wrench) as today. I think CAP is Standard Cap and the Hexagon C is Hexagonal Cap.
The question and resulting discussion pop up from time to time in various threads, but for a quick start, scroll down to section 5 on http://www.wrenchingnews.com/wrench-logos/logos-page-1.html

If you think about it, it doesn’t matter what is marked on a wrench - it will either fit or it won’t.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

The question and resulting discussion pop up from time to time in various threads,

So often that I included it in the Sticky. But nobody reads the Sticky!

HELPFUL HINTS AND HANDY LINKS

GJ Reference Threads

Alphabetical List of U.S. Manufacturers of Hand Tools
Guide to Logos, Trademarks, etc

GJ’s Quickie Common Collectors’ Tips

Markings on tools, packaging, etc
- The Registered Trademark Symbol (an “R” in a circle) was established in 1946
- Area Codes were established in 1947
- Zip Codes were established 1963
- 'WEAR SAFETY GOGGLES' is an OSHA requirement and the striking tool can be no earlier than 1970

Government stock numbers
- Any marking that looks like this (41-S-1076, 38-B-3345, 13-O-1530, etc), sometimes with a prefix (e.g., N41-S-1076), is a phonetic Federal Standard Stock Catalog number, often called the first Federal Stock Number, and it dates from 1934 to 1952. Administered by the Treasury Dept.-
- Any marking with or without a "DA" or some other prefix or no prefix and an 11-digit number (in groups separated by hyphens, don't count the hyphens, e.g., 5180-698-7964) is a Federal Stock Number (FSN) dating from 1953 to 1961.
- Any marking with a "DSA" and an 11-digit FSN is from 1962 to 1974.
- Any marking with a "DSA" and a 13-digit FSN, adding "00" into the old FSN for a COO code placeholder, is from 1974 to 1977.
- Any marking with or without a "DLA" (Defense Logistics Agency) and a 13-digit NSN (and much more likely to actual have country codes (NATO, very contemporary, not vintage) is from 1978 on.

Strange size markings
Fractional size markings on end wrenches accompanied by “U.S.S.”, “A.L.A.M.”, “S.A.E.”, or a hex symbol and a “C” are nut and bolt sizes, not milled openings sizes, followed by their standard (United States Standard, Association of Licensed Automobile Manufacturers, Society of Automotive Engineers, and Hex Cap). See any wrench chart in any vintage catalog or Machinery’s Handbook for the milled opening sizes. Wrenches with nut and bolt sizes and standards markings were typically made in the ‘Teens and 20’s, but can be found as late as the 1940’s in some cases.

That should be an ISN 727 wrench (9/16" x 5/8"). I don't know why they used Delta C and CAP interchangeably, but I have a few like that, too.

 

[LesserSon]

Lucid and succinct, Lugz.
But, mea culpa, I tend to bipass the card catalog and go straight to the bookshelves.

 

[JjKk40]

Picked up this 30's Bonney box from the MC set listed in catalog 138 (1938). Lots of 3/8, 1/2, and 3/4 drive CV marked Bonney sockets, speeder, breaker bar, and extensions in here too (along with many others).









...and the box as I bought it for $100

Wow! Sweet score!!!!!

 

[MisterEd]

Bonney A26 CV 1/2 Inch Drive, 13/16 Socket

 

[mritchie77]

Wow! Sweet score!!!!!

Thanks! Now I have another large box set to complete. I must have a problem. LOL

 

[3baygarage]

Bonney B Shield 3/8“ drive open gear. 30 tooth. Works pretty nice.

 

[Mikeske]

My has this thread gone quiet. Oh well I been busy but I was pawn shopping and found this Bonney A24 3/4" socket. This is in almost new condition and has an engraved circle with a B in the center which identifies it as a former Boeing socket. This is 1/2" drive socket

 

[LesserSon]

Yeah - too quiet…
I was watching this double-head clamp on eBay with intention of bidding, but got distracted and missed the opportunity. Closest current thing to it I’ve seen is made by Bessey. I saw them in Lowes once, but I think a regular C-clamp coupled with a hogged-out wooden pad would do the same thing and be more versatile.
Anyway it got away, and I was hoping the buyer was a member here. Guess not.

 

[Raineman]

“See Bonney, buy Bonney” is my motto when I’m in the wild. I have a hard time leaving them behind unless its just not a reasonable value.

Since it is apparently slow here, I’d be happy to blast the thread with my collection. It’s not huge, and there is a bunch at my garage that I don’t have immediate access to pictures of. A lot I’ve posted, but some I haven’t, and there’s always the reorganization factor.

 

[Raineman]

This is a Bonney lower box I restified before the whole collecting thing got its hooks in me.

 

[genog]

One of the few times I find a consecutive set of wrenches. I even have an extra
I am calling it a "complete" set

 

[rogue321]

These DBE feel better in the hand than any of my other wrenches. Wish I had more of them!

 

[Raineman]

3/8 drive sockets


Some tape measures, feeler gauges, breakers and spinners.


1/4, 3/8, 1/2” drive extensions,,swivels, adapters, anvil, and screwdrivers.

 

[Raineman]

My coveted Tri wing selector ratchets, some other ratchets, 2 1/2” drive plug sockets, and some tinned sets.


The sets, a nearly complete refrigeration set and a3/8 drive deep set

 

[Raineman]

1/2”drive set of Locrite series sockets, 3/8 speed wrench, various other 1/2”drive sockets, tins.


The tins, incomplete bit set and almost complete 3/8 drive set.

 

[Raineman]

Various DOE.

 

[Raineman]

Various wrenches including some NOS.

 

[Raineman]

Couple tins and a set of pliers and a brake tool.


The tins, complete 1/2” drive set with Tri wing ratchet.


And a complete 1/2” drive deep set.

 

[Raineman]

Bonney wrench roll. It is actually complete, but the entire set is over in my garage in a roll cart because I use it. Love them.

 

[3baygarage]

Yeah - too quiet…
I was watching this double-head clamp on eBay with intention of bidding, but got distracted and missed the opportunity. Closest current thing to it I’ve seen is made by Bessey. I saw them in Lowes once, but I think a regular C-clamp coupled with a hogged-out wooden pad would do the same thing and be more versatile.
Anyway it got away, and I was hoping the buyer was a member here. Guess not.

I saw that too. Had no interest in bidding but forgot all about the auction. Thanks for posting that. Seems the pad was missing or broken but an oddball for sure.

Lots of Bonney red there Raineman.

 

[Mikeske]

Great to see the Bonney collection Raineman. All my Bonney tools were in a red Bonney tool box (made by Waterloo) and all the sockets were on metal socket rails (that I still have) and the wrenches were in either a blue vinyl for metric or the red vinyl for the SAE. The vinyl pouches flat wore out and I discarded them as they were crumbling in hand. I got off eBay a red vinyl SAE pouch but have yet to find a blue pouch and I doubt I ever will. I put all the sockets and the wrenches into socket and wrench organizers and I still use these tools and will for the foreseeable future.

My set is what I call a master mechanics set as it has just about every tool a master mechanic would need or want. Sure since it is the tools of 1983 when I bought them and then took about 5 years to replace the lost broken and missing tools I had in my set and I still find a odd Bonney tool here and there like the pawn shop find I had this weekend and since I already had that size it will be a spare if I ever break my original. All my SAE tools were engraved with initials and man number from my days of working at Boeing. The main reason is I had Bonney tools and so did Boeing so to prevent problems all of tools were engraved right after I hired on.

The old Bonney toolbox was totally destroyed by 35 years of working out of my toolbox and I retired it to the neighbors kid who needed a basic starting out box in his dad's garage. I did peel off the Bonney logo and put it on my replacement toolbox in my garage.

 

[LesserSon]

I picked up some minor Bonney items this weekend. A P319 separator (not show), and these. The sockets are 3/4dr. But the prize to me is the little gem of a stubby. The smooth-bottomed flutes and the dark red material of the handle tells me this is no Stanley, but probably Forsberg, like their own “Whale” screwdrivers (which were amber). Somewhere I have a Bon-E-Con driver with the same handle profile, but I think this is my first regular Bonney branded one.

 

[bonneyman]

Raineman, that is a nice collection!

 

[Raineman]

Thanks. Still building. Can't leave anything Bonney in the wild. (unless the sellers think they have a pile of gold)

 

[d42jeep]

Here is a rusty treasure I found Saturday that is promised to Username. 1/2” drive.
-Don

 

[Private Lugnutz]

@LesserSon - Better shots of those drivers I picked up today. The No. 06 looks Stanley to me. You say Forsberg on the No. 006 cabinet (or "Electricians") driver? Interesting. What's with the gold flake inside? Before I got it home and cleaned up I was thinking it was deteriorating, but now I am not so sure. The inflections look like it was made that way. I have not consulted any catalogs yet.

 

[LesserSon]

I don’t know about the internal glimmers. I’m inclined to agree with your first thought: the beginnings of decomposition. But potentially, any flakey impurity or partially hardened handle material during molding might mean it’s always been there and won’t get worse. If the material was opaque, you’d never even see it.
The two red ones I have don’t have that.
What did you use to clean it? I used to use disinfecting wipes until a second black, square-handle Snap-on crumbled in front of my eyes. I use baby wipes now.
Forsberg page on Progress is Fine. Note those examples have ribs or flutes between every other flat.
Link to 1958 Forsberg catalog. Page18 has a write-up on Whale screwdriver construction and “Nocombo” acetate handle material. Some illustrations show fluting between every flat, some show it every other flat.
Turns out, I do have more than two examples: three clutch-heads.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

The two I have don’t have that.

Thanks. Good to know. Those occlusions probably are very early signs of desiccation then. It'll be years away though. The handle is still very solid. I'm going to seal it.

For cleaning, I have always spritzed my tools with SG. I immediately wipe it off with rags. Tools with stubborn crusty crud get soaked in SG. Anything colorful not too long, though. As you probably know, it will loosen dye and paint.

 

[LesserSon]

Here are the handles of two drivers I picked up today. They are pretty similar, but the spacing of the flats on the Forsberg is equal, while the Stanley has two flats wider than the others, where branding and sizes are stamped. Also, Stanleys have the ribs around the collar.

 

[humber2]

Apart from the jaw dimensions of 1/4 and 5/16 on the reverse this wrench has no name to it but the forge marks H:M have me thinking Bonney and the suspected cad plating to WW2 era.

It is quite long at just under 5 1/2”, the jaws are SAE so not Whitworth.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

It is quite long at just under 5 1/2”,

I would speculate that is the reason it's not branded. Perhaps it's a special order. Bonney made some extra long engineers' wrenches, but they had larger openings in the brake service range.

 

[LesserSon]

HM is August, either 1935 or 1949, placing it before or after the active combat years of WWII. I agree with Lugz on special order: it is long for a 1020, and a 2561 would have a 3/16, not 5/16 end.

 

[S-K Tool Fanatic!]

Got this bonney 32oz hammer for $2 from a flea market , the guy said “it’s all wobbly, I don’t know if you can fix that, you can have it for $2”

 

[atlasfanatic]

Recent Bonney 6 Drawer Top Chest I found - think it was made by Waterloo. Came with some nice Bonney tools as well. Wish I had room to keep it long term.

 

[Shelbylex]

Found several tools today awaiting for the trash day...
Bonney 2553 Lug Nut Wrench

Can not find much on it. Expired ad on e-bay hints that it's for Willys / Jeep, but mine are 6 point vs the expired ad (no pictures) stating 12 point

Can not see the sizes (it's a little rusty, will look in AM again). Does anybody know the sizes, the age and if it was for specific purpose (?Willys war time kit (doubt that...))

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Expired ad on e-bay hints that it's for Willys / Jeep,..[ ]...Does anybody know the sizes, the age and if it was for specific purpose (?Willys war time kit (doubt that...))

I don't know what that Bonney 4-way is, but it is NOT a wartime Willys MB lug nut wrench. The Willys MB lug wrench was very typical, round stock 9/16" in diameter, about 15" long, with an oblique bend and a single socket on the end, hex opening 25/32" or 49/64". It was supplied by Kelsey-Hayes and an unknown subcontractor.