I too just got a 3/8" flex head -K rat. Just too cool not to have.
Spreading the Bonney affliction!
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I too just got a 3/8" flex head -K rat. Just too cool not to have.
Thanks for another great resource! Look at those Streamlined wrenches!
four.cycle
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I may have my wires crossed on this one.
Was somebody looking for parts for one of these things?
Not sure if this is what's needed - I'm no Bonney expert.
DAYTON 1/2" drive ratchet (Bonney?)
used
$6.00 + $6.00 shipping now. 1 bid now. ends Mon. 09/19
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Day...701892?hash=item25c3db0984:g:yPYAAOSwOdpX1hcw
Was somebody looking for parts for one of these things?
Not sure if this is what's needed - I'm no Bonney expert.
DAYTON 1/2" drive ratchet (Bonney?)
used
$6.00 + $6.00 shipping now. 1 bid now. ends Mon. 09/19
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Day...701892?hash=item25c3db0984:g:yPYAAOSwOdpX1hcw
https://www.ebay.com/itm/322258044310
Dammit! I let my PayPal account dip too low again.
Sure would like to know what's on the other side of these wrenches...could be Zenel, or not...Why post five identical pics of a two-sided object?
Anyway, whoever got them has a nice set of Bonney electrical wrenches. And here's hoping it's a GJ member who will grace us with photos.
Edit: Looking at the single Zenel E30 I have, I'm pretty sure the eBay set was Zenel.
Dammit! I let my PayPal account dip too low again.
Sure would like to know what's on the other side of these wrenches...could be Zenel, or not...Why post five identical pics of a two-sided object?
Anyway, whoever got them has a nice set of Bonney electrical wrenches. And here's hoping it's a GJ member who will grace us with photos.
Edit: Looking at the single Zenel E30 I have, I'm pretty sure the eBay set was Zenel.
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Sam'sAutoParts
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Nothing like the feeling of completing a set of wrenches. I have only had a chance to use the 1/2" but I'm already eying these in long pattern. My SK set has been great, but I may have a new favorite.
twertsy
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There's a reason people tout them as the best ever made.......Nothing like the feeling of completing a set of wrenches. I have only had a chance to use the 1/2" but I already eying these is long pattern. My SK set has been great, but I may have a new favorite.
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Nothing like the feeling of completing a set of wrenches. I have only had a chance to use the 1/2" but I'm already eying these in long pattern. My SK set has been great, but I may have a new favorite.
They look great!!!!!
Brought home a 10" Bonney Stillson wrench today. Cleaning it up reminded me that I had a 14" waiting for the same treatment. Taking a closer look at them showed me forged-in date codes on the two main components of each, and - I think - that the die makers DID occasionally jumble their letters.
10" MJ Oct1921 (traveling jaw) & CM Mar1921(stationary jaw)
14"FP Jun1924 (stationary jaw) & AQ Jan1925 (traveling jaw)
I'm guessing 1920s instead of some other loop of M-Z, because of the B-Shield.
10" MJ Oct1921 (traveling jaw) & CM Mar1921(stationary jaw)
14"FP Jun1924 (stationary jaw) & AQ Jan1925 (traveling jaw)
I'm guessing 1920s instead of some other loop of M-Z, because of the B-Shield.
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StillTooManyHobbies
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Sam, I have three of those in satin long pattern (1/2, 9/16. 5/8), two came from Epstein's and are still available. In satin part numbers start with 237xx. I really like the length and the feel. Here's mine. The middle one was very rusty and got hit with the belt sander a little bit. I am always looking for those to add to my collection.
Someone posted a long pattern set in the same pouch as yours, and they looked great. Did not realize the pouch was wrong.
Someone posted a long pattern set in the same pouch as yours, and they looked great. Did not realize the pouch was wrong.
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So this isn't such a tool in the tools sense but kind of cool when I found it while working. Not sure if it's the Bonney we all try to find and collect or not. Looks like it though. 1/2" pressure fitting. If it is I would be very curious how old it is. I found those fittings in an old rusty box and have been using what I could out of there.
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First - Yes, it's the same Bonney. I do not know when they first produced fittings. (the link below suggests mid-20th century) Today, that (valves, actually) is their main business - they stopped producing tools, or rather, their tool-making function was purchased and repurchased, and eventually eliminated.
http://www.bonneyforge.com/about.php
http://www.bonneyforge.com/about.php
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Here's something new for me - Zenel combination wrenches! Spotted these in an eBay lot, and had to have them. Both from 1933. The seller's photo was dark, so though there were a couple other Bonney wrenches, none turned out to be Zenel. A 2806 DBE was CV, etc.
This little DOE turned out not to be Bonney at all. Looks like a Zenel miniature engineers wrench, but the openings don't match any of the H-series. If it was a 3021, it would be 4-¼" long - this is 3-11/16", and a little too squat for Bonney.
It's controlled steel, with faces and lettering reminding me of Indestro, but the round-ended depressed panels don't. Just a mysterious number J-10-9 to go by. Any idea about that number?
This little DOE turned out not to be Bonney at all. Looks like a Zenel miniature engineers wrench, but the openings don't match any of the H-series. If it was a 3021, it would be 4-¼" long - this is 3-11/16", and a little too squat for Bonney.
It's controlled steel, with faces and lettering reminding me of Indestro, but the round-ended depressed panels don't. Just a mysterious number J-10-9 to go by. Any idea about that number?
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Thanks for the info. I was hoping that was am old fitting that I had found and was still using. Oh well still pretty cool
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Sam'sAutoParts
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Good point about HJE, I may have to get them the next time I place an order. In the meantime I'm gonna keep an eye on eBay.
Private Lugnutz
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CONTROLLED STEEL is a J.P. Danielson brand.
Brorex - I think they are old. I don't know what time frame they used that B-shield on fittings, but the logo on their website is different today.
Lug - thanks for the tip! So my little DOE is probably the smallest size from a clip set, and possibly made in Oct1939.
Lug - thanks for the tip! So my little DOE is probably the smallest size from a clip set, and possibly made in Oct1939.
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Bonney made WEP Whitworth Streamlined combination wrenches. The fractional sizes marked on them correspond to nominal bolt sizes, not across flats, right?
Everything I've seen about Whitworth has been blah blah blah explanations of the threads and all I want to know is, do the across-flats measurements of Whitworth bolt heads come out to regular inch fractions, milimeters, or funky arbitrary sizes for which only dedicated Whitworth wrenches actually fit to acceptable tolerances? Do you need a Whitworth wrench to turn a Whitworth bolt?
Everything I've seen about Whitworth has been blah blah blah explanations of the threads and all I want to know is, do the across-flats measurements of Whitworth bolt heads come out to regular inch fractions, milimeters, or funky arbitrary sizes for which only dedicated Whitworth wrenches actually fit to acceptable tolerances? Do you need a Whitworth wrench to turn a Whitworth bolt?
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Nuts
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My Bonney story.
For the most part I detest double end wrenches, first choice every time is a simple combination. I turn bilious at the mere sight of a double end open wrench, box ends are not much better. I think part of the problem is every single time you pick up the wrench, you never have the correct end.
But every so often you have to have an offset box end wrench, so I acquired a set of double end off sets, living with always picking up the wrong end.
Then I discovered these.
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Found a couple of them at a yard sale last year, fell in love, and the search was on.
Single off set, double box end, same size on both ends. Wrench nerd nirvana!
So the search was on until you see the results in the pics above.
They are all circle CV series except for the 9/16 Bonaloy and the 7/16 Zenel, would love to trade those two out someday
Still would like to add the 1" to the set, not too worried about finding the 1 1/4 or the 25/32 wrenches. These are after all just for those times you absolutely have to have an off set.
On the path to Bonney I did acquire a small bunch of other Bonney wrenches, a couple of duplicate single off sets and others.
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I don't need any of these four Bonney's,if any of the bunch here does let me know
Or if you have a 1" Bonney 2832 Circle CV, lets make a trade.
Nuts aka Doug
For the most part I detest double end wrenches, first choice every time is a simple combination. I turn bilious at the mere sight of a double end open wrench, box ends are not much better. I think part of the problem is every single time you pick up the wrench, you never have the correct end.
But every so often you have to have an offset box end wrench, so I acquired a set of double end off sets, living with always picking up the wrong end.
Then I discovered these.
Found a couple of them at a yard sale last year, fell in love, and the search was on.
Single off set, double box end, same size on both ends. Wrench nerd nirvana!
So the search was on until you see the results in the pics above.
They are all circle CV series except for the 9/16 Bonaloy and the 7/16 Zenel, would love to trade those two out someday
Still would like to add the 1" to the set, not too worried about finding the 1 1/4 or the 25/32 wrenches. These are after all just for those times you absolutely have to have an off set.
On the path to Bonney I did acquire a small bunch of other Bonney wrenches, a couple of duplicate single off sets and others.
I don't need any of these four Bonney's,if any of the bunch here does let me know
Or if you have a 1" Bonney 2832 Circle CV, lets make a trade.
Nuts aka Doug
dutchgray
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Yes the stamped sizes are the nominal bolt size, lots of wrenches are dual stamped with BSF sizes as well, which used one size smaller wrench for a given bolt, until WW2 when Whitworth heads were reduced to save metal.
In short yes you do need a Whitworth wrench for a Whitworth bolt, there is bound to be some close enough that others will work.
In the Vintage section there is a Britool thread with catalogue pages posted, Britool used the inch decimal size as a size code so you can easy work out what the actual sizes are with that. Search function should find it.
I did the work for you
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=277755&highlight=britool&page=5
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Nuts
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Also liking the single offset DBE's there.
I've got 2 of those. (IIRC, 1/2" and 3/4") Trying to decide if I want to make the push to finish the set. Maybe at least up to 3/4".
It took me a little over a year on ebay paying ebay prices to get my set this far.
I live in a small community in Eastern Oregon, so don't have much access for finding this type of wrench locally.
these are definitely going in the working category. Now need to build a rack in the wrench drawer to store them.
Nuts - I will definitely be keeping an eye open for a 7/16 (2814) in CV for you - I've been on the search for Zenel. Actually have a Zenel in that size, but it is plain steel finish and has a crushed/bent spot like that extra CV in your last four pics.
Dutchgray - thank you for the reply. I may act upon it...
Yesterday I was out at the flea market and spotted a #12 Bonney Stillson pipe wrench. The wood grip was split two ways, the teeth were worn down, and the springs were flattened. I guess it saw a LOT of action in its day. I passed it up, but it reminded me of my intent to finish cleaning up a #14 to go with my recently cleaned #10.
So here they are:
Dutchgray - thank you for the reply. I may act upon it...
Yesterday I was out at the flea market and spotted a #12 Bonney Stillson pipe wrench. The wood grip was split two ways, the teeth were worn down, and the springs were flattened. I guess it saw a LOT of action in its day. I passed it up, but it reminded me of my intent to finish cleaning up a #14 to go with my recently cleaned #10.
So here they are:
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Whitworth (italicized, nominal sizes 7/16 to ⅛ in quotes) across-flats openings compared to SAE and metric, all in decimal inches:
27/32=.84375
21mm=.8268
"7/16"=.820
13/16=.8125
20mm=.7874
19mm=.748
23/32=.71875
"⅜"=.710
18mm=.7087
11/16=.6875
16mm=.6299
⅝=.625
"5/16"=.600
15mm=.5906
19/32=.559375
14mm=.5512
17/32=.53125
"¼"=.525
13mm=.5118
½=.5
12mm=.4724
15/32=.46875
"3/16"=.445
7/16=.4375
11mm=.4331
9mm=.3543
11/32=.34375
"⅛"=.338
8mm=.315
5/16=.3125
I boldfaced the closest (larger) size that would not require grinding. You could of course grind smaller size wrenches to fit Whitworth bolt heads, and achieve closer tolerances with 64ths SAE or n.5mm metric wrenches.
Edit - wish I knew how to set this up in a table - it looks great in the editing window, but the extra spaces are lost when converted to html.
What it's all about: https://www.ebay.com/itm/201673160724
Spotted these when the bid was at $25. As a curio, I thought that was pretty cheap, but now the market is correcting - way out of my reach, now. I'll probably never see a Whitworth bolthead, much less have occasion to turn it, so probably all working out as it should. The winner will get some beautiful wrenches, whether they use them or not.
Final bid $128 + $6 shipping - about $22/wrench.
27/32=.84375
21mm=.8268
"7/16"=.820
13/16=.8125
20mm=.7874
19mm=.748
23/32=.71875
"⅜"=.710
18mm=.7087
11/16=.6875
16mm=.6299
⅝=.625
"5/16"=.600
15mm=.5906
19/32=.559375
14mm=.5512
17/32=.53125
"¼"=.525
13mm=.5118
½=.5
12mm=.4724
15/32=.46875
"3/16"=.445
7/16=.4375
11mm=.4331
9mm=.3543
11/32=.34375
"⅛"=.338
8mm=.315
5/16=.3125
I boldfaced the closest (larger) size that would not require grinding. You could of course grind smaller size wrenches to fit Whitworth bolt heads, and achieve closer tolerances with 64ths SAE or n.5mm metric wrenches.
Edit - wish I knew how to set this up in a table - it looks great in the editing window, but the extra spaces are lost when converted to html.
What it's all about: https://www.ebay.com/itm/201673160724
Spotted these when the bid was at $25. As a curio, I thought that was pretty cheap, but now the market is correcting - way out of my reach, now. I'll probably never see a Whitworth bolthead, much less have occasion to turn it, so probably all working out as it should. The winner will get some beautiful wrenches, whether they use them or not.
Final bid $128 + $6 shipping - about $22/wrench.
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Nuts
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LesserSon, sounds like a plan to me, be happy to trade
I think the crushed/bent spots are a factory blemish. For having been damaged for 70 some years they have held up well.
Nuts
Dennis Leigh Henry
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Just got updated on this thread.. what a WIDE variety of Bonney's.....
Ole Slewfoot
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Found these Sunday, the numbers are all wrong
jallyn
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Sam'sAutoParts
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Very nice, I have been slowly assembling a set of those. Well that is, I have 2 so far. Lol.
twertsy
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I can help you with that Sam........I saw you've picked up a couple things lately that caught my eye.......
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Sam'sAutoParts
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Nuts & Bonneyman:
This is dirty enough for doubt, but seems to be a CV 2816 in good shape. $5 shipping + whatever offer the seller accepts.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/112132751145
This is dirty enough for doubt, but seems to be a CV 2816 in good shape. $5 shipping + whatever offer the seller accepts.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/112132751145
chopper1
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You don't see a single offset come up very often