Spreading the Bonney affliction!

[Private Lugnutz]

That very well could be, humber. Good thought.

 

[MR.X]

There's always a few Made in USA Nubo spanners on ebay and beside the type of Double box you've just found there's usually a couple that look just like those old GM toolkit Vlchek DOE's.

 

[Skooch]

I'm looking for 2 Bonney combo wrenches to fill in a set. I have some misc Bonney wrenches so I'm hoping someone out there would like to do a little trading.

Need:
23724 (3/4")
23714 (7/16")

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Picked up a jellybean logo (pre-1913) "S" wrench this morning at the flea market. It's been used hard (I am tempted to get a file on those burrs) and showing its age in general, but I'm tickled. Only my second jellybean logo Bonney tool (the other being a 'Crocodile' wrench). That forged-in model number marking looks like a "604" but it's a "504" for sure, with the "5" mushed together from wear. 1 x 7/8.

 

[outofbounds]

Coming up for air after driving 90 minutes each way to pick up a Snap-On chest, Knowing that the seller had other things on offer, I came with an open mind, and a pre-agreed purchase on a random Williams lot that took 4 hand carry boxes to bring home. Invited Lardy from this site along to see if he wanted anything as well. What we found was pretty overwhelming. The crazy part is the seller has been moving his father's hoard for the better part of 2 years and what he had left he said was about 10% of the original volume. Part of what was laying there was a box of Bonney. I was offered a price that I felt was too good to pass on. I offer the contents of this here in fairly raw form. If anyone has any interest, or needs, please feel free to PM me.

 

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More

 

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and more:

 

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and more again:

 

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Lastly:

 

[lardy1]

True story. Thanks for the invite. I'm still trying to comprehend that what we saw was 10% of the original hoard. I won't be posting any pictures of my two ball peen hammers. Wouldn't want to steal anyone's thunder.




You did well. Very well.

 

[outofbounds]

Great getting a chance to meet, Larry! Best of luck, and hope we cross paths again.

 

[Provincial]

outof bounds, that 3/8" drive wrench in the far right photo of post #2905 is for the cylinder base (hold-down) nuts of Pratt & Whitney radial engines.

 

[outofbounds]

outof bounds, that 3/8" drive wrench in the far right photo of post #2905 is for the cylinder base (hold-down) nuts of Pratt & Whitney radial engines.

That's great information, Pro! Thanks. Not sure how it ends up in a box lot in Mid-Michigan, buts that's part of the draw for me!

 

[48windsor]

Ive gota Bonney puller I will sell.
its a sturdy 3legged one

 

[leg17]

More

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=975535&d=1581198638

Whatcha got here? post 2902
I am trying to fill a 311 Bonney board in the 1926 catalog found on ToolArchives.

 

[outofbounds]

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=975535&d=1581198638

Whatcha got here? post 2902
I am trying to fill a 311 Bonney board in the 1926 catalog found on ToolArchives.

Leg,
I offer additional detail to aid in your evaluation of P/Ns, mfr dates, and condition of fittings. If these suit you, some or all, let me know what a fair number might be. Thanks, Tom!

 

[bonneyman]

Great getting a chance to meet, Larry! Best of luck, and hope we cross paths again.

I've run into several forum members over the years during tool trips - always a pleasure.

 

[chstrumpetdude]

outofbounds is getting back to me to check on some of his tappets he just acquired. I believe he has a specialty wrench. At first I thought it was just a mistake in reading the product number, but the wrench in post 2902 is marked 412A. It is the same profile as the 401 series tappets. The difference is that 412A wrench has two different size openings while the 401 series were one size DOEs. The 420 series was the one with two sized openings.

I tried to find info on the catalogs in archive.org, but didn't find anything.

 

[outofbounds]

outofbounds is getting back to me to check on some of his tappets he just acquired. I believe he has a specialty wrench. At first I thought it was just a mistake in reading the product number, but the wrench in post 2902 is marked 412A. It is the same profile as the 401 series tappets. The difference is that 412A wrench has two different size openings while the 401 series were one size DOEs. The 420 series was the one with two sized openings.

I tried to find info on the catalogs in archive.org, but didn't find anything.

Further to my response in PM, it may in fact read "402A" I will confirm certain tonight and post here as well.

OOB

 

[outofbounds]

Ironically, and not surprisingly, after a large buy of Bonney items (shown earlier here from the other day), this Krieger was actually found in a mixed box of Druo-Chrome & Chrome X Quality wrenches that I also purchased. I'm not entirely versed in the Krieger Bonney connection, but I understand there was a very short window of production for these, which I'll presume has some relevance to War Era collectors. Nice lightweight and resilient hand feel to this wrench.

 

[LesserSon]

Ironically, and not surprisingly, after a large buy of Bonney items (shown earlier here from the other day), this Krieger was actually found in a mixed box of Druo-Chrome & Chrome X Quality wrenches that I also purchased. I'm not entirely versed in the Krieger Bonney connection, but I understand there was a very short window of production for these, which I'll presume has some relevance to War Era collectors. Nice lightweight and resilient hand feel to this wrench.

Private Lugnutz posted an explanation and snippet of the wartime contract here. And an example of the same model as yours here. Notice that there are a different number of extra dots near the JU (Oct1943) date code.
If you search “Krieger” on this thread, there are a few other reported findings and some other conversation on them.

 

[outofbounds]

Private Lugnutz posted an explanation and snippet of the wartime contract here. And an example of the same model as yours here. Notice that there are a different number of extra dots near the JU (Oct1943) date code.
If you search “Krieger” on this thread, there are a few other reported findings and some other conversation on them.

Thanks, LesserSon,

Interesting to me that they might have had multiple production runs of what had to have been a fairly narrowly focused tool. Alloy Artifacts points to this 1032C as the one that popped up originally, and for a while was presumed to be the only Krieger wrench, but a review of the thread that you reference, and a perusal of Ebay indicate there are at least several sizes/model#s to account for.

 

[leg17]

Leg,
I offer additional detail to aid in your evaluation of P/Ns, mfr dates, and condition of fittings. If these suit you, some or all, let me know what a fair number might be. Thanks, Tom!

Thanks OOB.
I will pass on these.
The couple I am looking for are a little rough.
But, again, thanks. also Tom

 

[outofbounds]

Thanks OOB.
I will pass on these.
The couple I am looking for are a little rough.
But, again, thanks. also Tom

Roger that, Leg17. I appreciate the feedback.

 

[outofbounds]

I recently was perusing 1930s Bonney catalogs looking for this specialty socket and couldn't seem to locate it. (Toolarchives.com is amazing twertsy!!) Model 2621 it appears to me. Can anyone illuminate me on the purpose of this socket? Honestly, I have two other simialr pieces uncovered in the same cache, a "no brand" version of the same, and an unusual piece with the same tapered fitting on one end, but with a drill chuck on the other. Welcoming the education!

 

[chstrumpetdude]

I recently was perusing 1930s Bonney catalogs looking for this specialty socket and couldn't seem to locate it. (Toolarchives.com is amazing twertsy!!) Model 2621 it appears to me. Can anyone illuminate me on the purpose of this socket? Honestly, I have two other simialr pieces uncovered in the same cache, a "no brand" version of the same, and an unusual piece with the same tapered fitting on one end, but with a drill chuck on the other. Welcoming the education!

I know that the taper is for the old wood braces

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Yes, as trumpetdude is alluding to, that's a male brace bit type drive tang for turning the square socket with a brace type speeder with a female opening that people typically associate with auger type drill bits and drilling. Late 20's. Several mfgrs went that route before everything got standardized on detachable female forged sockets turned with male drive tools. Goodell-Pratt made some. As did Braunsdorf-Mueller. Here is a BMCo bit brace type hex socket.

 

[outofbounds]

Yes, as trumpetdude is alluding to, that's a male brace bit type drive tang for turning the square socket with a brace type speeder with a female opening that people typically associate with auger type drill bits and drilling. Late 20's. Several mfgrs went that route before everything got standardized on detachable female forged sockets turned with male drive tools. Goodell-Pratt made some. As did Braunsdorf-Mueller. Here is a BMCo bit brace type hex socket.

Thanks, trumpetdude & Lugz for the illumination. Apparently I was looking in the wrong catalogs.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Apparently I was looking in the wrong catalogs.

Yes and no. Yes because 30's is too late, but no because we have a gap in the late 20's for catalogs. They jump from 1926 to 1932 on TA 2.0. I've never seen brace bit type sockets in a Bonney catalog. As of 1926, Bonney wasn't making any socket drive wrenches or tools of any kind. Just end wrenches. (I have a theory about them using their forge contract services for Bethlehem Speak Plug Company socket drive sets, specifically ratchets, to bootstrap themselves into the socket wrench game.) And by the mid 30's they were making routine heavy walled sockets with female drive ends.

 

[four.cycle]

I have only seen a few "brace socket" catalog listings. They were a "thing" way back, but it appears not for a very long time. A couple examples for reference (NOT Bonney):

 

[outofbounds]

I have only seen a few "brace socket" catalog listings. They were a "thing" way back, but it appears not for a very long time. A couple examples for reference (NOT Bonney):

That THAT's an unusual set! Interesting that The E.F. Reece Co. hailed from the same small bucolic burg as Goodell-Pratt tools. I wonder of there's a connection.

 

[LesserSon]

I have a 2605 (5/8”) brace bit.
Since the bitbrace is a much older and more versatile tool than a speeder, I imagine as automotive tools were being developed, most every handy fella already owned one.

 

[LesserSon]

Interesting that The E.F. Reece Co. hailed from the same small bucolic burg as Goodell-Pratt tools. I wonder of there's a connection.

The connection is, at minimum, the rivers.
Water-driven mills and interlinking canals were the infrastructure of the first industrial revolution. Bucolic is not a word I would choose to describe the busy hubbub of the industrial centers of those times.

 

[outofbounds]

The connection is, at minimum, the rivers.
Water-driven mills and interlinking canals were the infrastructure of the first industrial revolution. Bucolic is not a word I would choose to describe the busy hubbub of the industrial centers of those times.

Beyond your comment, LesserSon, I still struggle to envision Greenfield, MA as an industrial hub rather than a niche location for small forges, that still afforded the worker there a exurban respite that the same worker on the Eastern Seaboard never even knew existed. Perhaps growing up in Detroit fails me that perspective.

 

[leg17]

Many of the major tap and die producers were in Greenfield as well.
Quite a bit of industry located there. A busy place.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Cool ads, 4.c. Just as an FYI, for future reference, or if you'd like to move those, we have a tap and die thread. Click the link in the Index in the Sticky.

 

[LesserSon]

Beyond your comment, LesserSon, I still struggle to envision Greenfield, MA as an industrial hub rather than a niche location for small forges, that still afforded the worker there a exurban respite that the same worker on the Eastern Seaboard never even knew existed. Perhaps growing up in Detroit fails me that perspective.

Compared to Detroit, Greenfield had a 15-year head start with European settlement (1686v1701), but over the next two centuries Detroit had grown to 50x the size of Greenfield (4000v200000), if resident population can be used as a measure of industrial capacity.
Still, “bucolic,” deriving from the Greek word for “cowherd,” connotes a qualitative contrast (more along the lines of The Egg and I or derivatives like Green Acres) than the quantitative difference in scale of production between two industrial centers.

 

[outofbounds]

Compared to Detroit, Greenfield had a 15-year head start with European settlement (1686v1701), but over the next two centuries Detroit had grown to 50x the size of Greenfield (4000v200000), if resident population can be used as a measure of industrial capacity.
Still, “bucolic,” deriving from the Greek word for “cowherd,” connotes a qualitative contrast (more along the lines of The Egg and I or derivatives like Green Acres) than the quantitative difference in scale of production between two industrial centers.

I think this article sort of helps with the point I was originally making...whether or not "bucolic" was the right choice of words. I'm sure that life inside the stacked bricks of whatever factory a worker resided was largely the same. The difference is in what greeted them arriving home, or steps from the edge of town.

http://industrialhistory.org/leads-and-angles-vol-2-nos-2-and-3-july-august-1943/

 

[four.cycle]

Cool ads, 4.c. Just as an FYI, for future reference, or if you'd like to move those, we have a tap and die thread. Click the link in the Index in the Sticky.

First time I've seen that. Moved them all to that thread. Thanks.

start here: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=8343882#post8343882

 

[LesserSon]

...life inside the stacked bricks of whatever factory a worker resided was largely the same...

I totally agree.

The difference is in what greeted them arriving home, or steps from the edge of town.

Maybe you’re right about this, too. And yet, Detroit is the one that grew. Must have had something going for it.