Spreading the Bonney affliction!

[Mikeske]

I recently picked up a MDF Stillson with a bend. The nut was still on the remaining couple threads of a mostly sheared-off tip. (I’m not sure how the PO did that.) The wood handle was buggered at the upper end because of the bend, so I trimmed it down and re-threaded the tip. It’s a bit shorter than what it should be, but still functional.
Just saying, the tool can still be saved, if anyone wants to.

I agree the tool is worth saving as I plucked out of a Goodwill, since it had the Bonney name on it I try to save them. What I did do was carefully clean it and remove as much of the rust I could and then applied some 3 N 1 oil on it to slow the rust. The jaws do move freely and smoothly as cleaning them and applying some 3 N 1 oil did smooth it out and it still operated OK when I found the wrench.

 

[Ricky Joe]

I am trying to get all of my tools for antique cars together so I can sell them. I ran across this socket. Can anyone tell me if the catalog lists it as a special socket for Ford main bearing bolts or is it a generic square drive? I have the Snap-On special socket with catalog numbers, also. Here are pictures:

 

[Ricky Joe]

Here is the Snap-On for comparison. My question is does the Bonney catalog specifically designate the Bonney socket as a Ford socket.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Nice! Lmk what you are unloading. Always looking for cool stuff

 

[JjKk40]

Here is the Snap-On for comparison. My question is does the Bonney catalog specifically designate the Bonney socket as a Ford socket.

I'll look at one of my catalogs when I get off work tonight. You'll probably have an answer before them I bet. You can also check out any of the available online catalogs for Bonney too. Go to the sticky and you'll find the link to search for them.

 

[RTM]

Here is something I didn't find via search of the thread, an LD20 5/8" deep socket on a stick. It's listed here as a 1/2" drive socket, but mine has the cross rod installed. There was a tub of these at Surplus Tools in Denver, at 49¢. This has additional marking of

KMO-454
Kent - Moore
1-W- 3322
LD20 Bonney 5/8

Ebay has it listed as a WWII Vintage Mil Specialty Tool Spark Plug Wrench Kent Moore KMO-454

Thick layer of black goo on it, so not a very pretty tool. It does have the 1/2" drive recess on the rear side, 12pt internals.

Oh for a day when your engine was so simple this would actually work.





I also grabbed an A602 1/2" drive 2" extension from Charlies Second hand Tools in Denver, with the triangle under the Y, and a USA under the B

 

[LesserSon]

I am trying to get all of my tools for antique cars together so I can sell them. I ran across this socket. Can anyone tell me if the catalog lists it as a special socket for Ford main bearing bolts or is it a generic square drive? I have the Snap-On special socket with catalog numbers, also. Here are pictures:

The 4118 is listed in the 1934 catalog among the “standard series sockets” with no mention of Ford applications. By the 1937 catalog, it is no longer offered in single-square, but only double-square opening.

 

[Raineman]

I’m so excited. Unicorns are beginning to herd.

 

[Mikeske]

I’m so excited. Unicorns are begging to herd.

Someone is a little excited

 

[Raineman]

Indeed Mike, nobody even knows the half of it.
I’m giddy. Just hope it works out. I misspelled “beginning” in my original post, due to excitement.

The picture is of what is here. If all works out, its about to multiply.

 

[Mikeske]

That is the fun part finding the unicorn you want and enjoyment of the hobby

 

[Raineman]

Its ongoing as we speak. My salesman/purchasing skills I’m confident in, but the internet aspect of it has me a bit anxious. I think enthusiasts will be approving if I can make it happen.

And yes, I’m seriously digging this hunt.

 

[Ricky Joe]

The 4118 is listed in the 1934 catalog among the “standard series sockets” with no mention of Ford applications. By the 1937 catalog, it is no longer offered in single-square, but only double-square opening.

Thanks. I had already determined that the 4118 number was used on double square eight point. The Snap-On is S-9039, which is specifically for Ford, and is date coded 1937. The similarity was too close for me to not ascertain. Thanks again!

 

[RubiconJK]

Here is a Bonney single offset DBE 2814 7/16" Chrome Vanadium with a LT date code. I'm not much of a Bonney collector, so perhaps someone here can school me on appropriate date, but if I understand what I've read correctly the CV line was phased out in the mid 30's and replaced with Zenel and Bonaloy so perhaps this one is from 1928? This was part of a multi item Estate sale pick earlier today (total of $2 spent).

 

[JjKk40]

LT on a circle CV single offset box= Dec 1928.


A-L = Months Jan-Dec
M-Z= year code (not as cut and dry as month code).... check out AA website and you can read up how to decipher the date codes or someone here will break it down for you better than I can.

 

[RubiconJK]

Ok, got it, thank you. That was what I was thinking, but good to get some validation.

 

[outofbounds]

I’m so excited. Unicorns are beginning to herd.

I'm curious as to what makes a unicorn?

 

[Raineman]

I'm curious as to what makes a unicorn?

I’ve been looking for a 3/8 Tri wing selector marked “Bonney” for a long time. I’ve seen exactly 1 available to purchase in the past year and I missed it.

 

[Mikeske]

I’ve been looking for a 3/8 Tri wing selector marked “Bonney” for a long time. I’ve seen exactly 1 available to purchase in the past year and I missed it.

I never gave it much thought when I first bought my Bonney set in 1983 as the 1/2" 3/8" and 3/4" ratchets were all single selector lever and the 1/4" was a try-wing selector. Years later I finally found out that the Trike wing was the older ratchet.

 

[LesserSon]

The succession of Bonney ratchet models has been an on-again, off-again interest to me. Actual users who recall buying them new are a good dating resource. Trade magazine advertisements, too. Catalogs have two limitations: the illustrations persist after design changes occur, and the availability of free, scanned catalogs is limited.
Yesterday, I received an AA707H.

I do not see it listed in catalogs from 1963, 67, 77, 81, 86, but I do see it illustrated in 1967, p13(p15pdf), in the sets where the A-702K is specified. Since I do not see it in the 1963 catalog, I suppose it was offered sometime 1964-1966.
1967 is also the only catalog where I see the tri-wing selector on the 702K, the single-rib selector version persisting at least into 1986. If it really only sold with that selector for one year out of two decades, that would be a significant reason why it is a unicorn. In my collection, I have the 3/8dr triwing, but not the 1/4dr or 1/2dr.

 

[Raineman]

Got my package of unicorns today. Now I’ve got a herd.

 

[Mikeske]

The only one missing is the R-702K and that is the real unicorn. A 3/4" ratchet with the Tri-wing reversing lever. I actually have never seen one myself.

 

[Raineman]

Mike, I’ve seen 2 but not in person. I believe a member here had one on eBay in recent months. He wanted a fair price for it but shipping was a deal breaker. He’s probably close enough for me to drive to get it but haven’t seen his listing for a while.

 

[Mikeske]

Yes my 3/4” both have a single lever. One is a Bonney and the second is a John Deere made by Bonney. I got the John Deere one in a killer deal with sockets and a breaker bar a couple years ago.

 

[LesserSon]

Nice herd. Did you see the Utica 3/8dr triwing on the ‘Bay?

 

[LesserSon]

These came with some other goodies, and I just got them unfrozen and cleaned up. Catalog-tracing them, I think late 1960s early ‘70s. They are not shown in 1961. 1963, they have “Made in USA” instead of “Bonney USA.” 1967 shows the RB2226, but then it’s gone in 1977 & ‘81. And then 1986 shows Loc-Rite openings on the 12pt sizes.
I wonder about the OEM; several major tool brands (Williams, Cornwell, Wright) are on eBay with the same RB-model number format, including a “Martin” bearing a Snap-on 1997 date code.

 

[Raineman]

Nice herd. Did you see the Utica 3/8dr triwing on the ‘Bay?

Probably. My goal is to stick with specifically BONNEY branding. Its why I never went after that Bonaloy that was listed for so long.

 

[Mikeske]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/144336300791?hash=item219b1d2af7:g:3vsAAOSwwhRhtL98of course you add to it Raineman

 

[JjKk40]

Here we have a 6" adjustable, black oxide finish BonECon with "Made In USA" and a W forge mark on the shank. Didn't another supplier make the adjustable for Bonney? Maybe they just slapped the "made in usa" instead of just plain old "usa" for Bonney?

 

[LesserSon]

I do not know the manufacturer of that adjustable. I agree the “W” is probably a clue.
Bonney outsourced adjustable production. A major supplier was Utica, which also supplied pliers - for decades prior to Utica (Kelsey-Hates) purchasing Bonney from Miller Mfg in 1964, after which it is pointless to distinguish between “them” (nor Herbrand, nor Torque Controls after ‘68, nor Diamond after ‘81).
However, at times, or for specific tools, Channellock, Crescent, Danielson and others made pliers or adjustables for Bonney.
Adjustables with unreinforced hole have not been an area of interest to me, so I just don’t recognize it. The jaws are hex-head optimized rather than square-head optimized, as many Utica and Danielson/Proto adjustables were. Bon-e-con is probably from the 1950s, but again, that line has not been an interest to me.

I do have an adjustable that may be of interest, though. Bonney-branded, fully chrome-plated, presumably the same era as your Bon-e-con. Note the “F” where yours has a “W.”
It is not the style I prefer; I believe my grandfather purchased it new, so during the Miller Mfg years, when a supplier other than Utica seems most likely. Last pic is contrasted to the same model number in the Utica style.

 

[Username already in use]

Flat bottoms are likely Pendleton and the hex bottoms are likely crescent or Diamond. The tell with the hex is how thick the head of the wrench is. Big thick heads are probably cresent made.

 

[LesserSon]

Saw these today. Each has an unusual model number and opening. Pretty sure all Whitworth and wartime. At $5ea, I considered, but passed them up.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Pretty sure all Whitworth and wartime.

Concur.

 

[humber2]

Definitely Whitworth sizes and from toolkits for the Packard built V12 Merlin engine.

 

[LesserSon]

Iconic!
Thanks for ID-ing them.

 

[d42jeep]

Here is the picture that Snapmom posted some time back of that set. Those wrenches are both shown in the lower row, right of center. Hopefully she already has those in her set. Edit. I just re-read her thread and it looks like she has those covered.
-Don

 

[LesserSon]

That is really cool.
These are the wrenches I did buy from that booth.

 

[LesserSon]

But my real objective was to pick up this. The static tower, spindle screw and nut are original, but, as I suspected from the blurry photos, the dynamic/slide is a 3-1/2” Parker with a chunk broken off near the back of the slide, and a rectangular bar welded over the (formerly) replaceable jaw. It was gappy in the tower, so the PO welded a washer to the end of the spindle screw to stablize it. Clever, but it meant I couldn’t disassemble it until I got home. Even after snapping off the washer with an adjustable wrench in my trunk, I lacked the file needed to remove a gob of weld, which would have ruined the internal threads of the nut. Must be the spindle collar didn’t fit inside the Parker slide, because it is gone.
So far, I am optimistic that a different, better-fitting dynamic can be sourced/modified for a fully functional frankenvise. Otherwise, possibly, the existing Parker could be padded out a bit. The slide should be 1-3/4x2-3/4”. If the total No34 originally weighed 42lb as advertised, the dynamic/slide should weigh a tad over 14-1/2lb.
The nut is 1lb, has a ghosty “34C“ on the side, and fits a 1950 No5191 Craftsman spindle screw perfectly, so pretty standard 4tpi.
Hopefully, I’ll get it cleaned up enough in the next few days for it to take a seat next to its little brother (only 18-1/2 of its advertised 22lb).

The only catalog I’ve seen this line in is 1914.

 

[JjKk40]

Found this rescently. I didn't know Bonney made these wrenches for Ford? I have an actual circle CV one like this without the Ford and it is chrome van. This one has some other kind of coating or just raw steel thsts tarnished but here it is. Has the circle B.

 

[JjKk40]

Here are 4 catalogs that I own, #'s 134, 136 , 139, and C-1. I thought that they were 1934, 36, 39, and C-1 being 1947. Then I see catalogs on ITCL without the digit "1" infront. Atalog #41 is 1941 especially in 41 theres a sentence in the beginning saying 66 years anniversary (paraphrasing) which would be 1943 as long as my math isn't flawed with the year Bonney started. Very confusing!