To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

Stanley B&D sues Sears over Craftsman brand.

To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

zendriver

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 10, 2014
Messages
30,146
Location
Indiana
I'm going to rush to my nearest Sears store and buy a set.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

woody 73

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 14, 2009
Messages
11,546
Location
The Great State Up North
Boys, Boys, Boys, you have been fXXking over the public for all these many years. First you took the ideas from one inventor and paid him in peanuts (quick release ratchet), then you gave your word to make another tool (The loggerhead) and you then had another company make it overseas. On top of all that starting in the early 1980's Stanley, yes Stanley started producing your **** overseas in Taiwan...


You lost my respect a long time ago, I see you are still up to your own dirty tricks shame on you.
 

JulianMorrow

Banned
Joined
Jan 18, 2019
Messages
287
Location
Oklahoma
Mom & Dad are fighting again...It seems the SB&D lawsuit hinges on two things:

1) Sears rolling out a "new" Craftsman line--"Craftsman Ultimate Collection" is a breach of contract.

2) Sears' ad campaign for the new line--"The Real Home of the Broadest Assortment of Craftsman" damages the SB&D Craftsman line.

In regard to Item #2, that's simply an advertising slogan. SB&D's complaint here is ridiculous.

Item #1 may or may not have merit, depending on what's stipulated in the contract. And is the new Sears line truly something new or simply repackaging/rebranding of existing tools.
 

txlonghorn1989

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 27, 2017
Messages
2,786
I've got a feeling that at least one attorney is gonna lose their job on this however it turns out.
 

zendriver

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 10, 2014
Messages
30,146
Location
Indiana
Hell, the lawsuit is probably just a publicity stunt to bring attention to the craftsman brand.

They got to do something.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

shanny19

Well-known member
Joined
May 24, 2014
Messages
1,209
Location
PNW
2) Sears' ad campaign for the new line--"The Real Home of the Broadest Assortment of Craftsman" damages the SB&D Craftsman line.

In regard to Item #2, that's simply an advertising slogan. SB&D's complaint here is ridiculous.

I respectfully disagree.
English mattters.
Saying something is "real" implies that a "fake" exists.
SBD will win this one.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

Professional Tool User

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 9, 2018
Messages
1,835
Location
BC
Either way, we are counting down the years till Sears cannot introduce any new Craftsman tools, provided Sears isn't already bankrupt before that time comes. Stanley will probably kick Sears' *** since they have more money to burn in a lawsuit.
 

JulianMorrow

Banned
Joined
Jan 18, 2019
Messages
287
Location
Oklahoma
I respectfully disagree. English mattters. Saying something is "real" implies that a "fake" exists. SBD will win this one.

Sorry, no. Any Business Law 101 class will cover this type of advertising--e.g, "the best tasting cola" or the "hottest bbq sauce on the planet" aren't objective truths but fall under the legal rubric of "puffing". These are subjective claims, salesman gimmicks which are quite legal. The same is true of "The real home of Craftsman tools". These claims are all subjective judgments that cannot be proven or disproven.

It's just like your kids lemonade stand with a sign "The best lemonade in town!" That's absolutely legal and no restaurant can do a damned thing about it.
 

Git

Well-known member
Joined
May 18, 2008
Messages
6,894
Location
S Cal
I agree with Shanny19

The fact that they are using 'real' in their new slogan/motto/whatever you call it, has a negative connotation.

Why else would you feel the need to use the word 'real'?
 

JulianMorrow

Banned
Joined
Jan 18, 2019
Messages
287
Location
Oklahoma
The fact that they are using 'real' in their new slogan/motto/whatever you call it, has a negative connotation. Why else would you feel the need to use the word 'real'?

It doesn’t matter what hyperbole Sears uses in their sales pitch: whether it’s “real” or “best” or “most awesome in the universe”. None of that matters. It’s a subjective claim—can you prove it’s false? Again, the concept of “puffing” is commonly understood in the business world.

You need to understand that SBD if fighting this battle on two fronts: the legal front and the publicity front. SBD challenging the Sears sales pitch of “real home of Craftsman tools”, is a publicity stunt. If they take that into the courtroom, the judge will laugh at them. If that’s deemed illegal, then the judge has just destroyed the advertising industry. There’s no way that’s going to happen. SBD’s first claim—that Sears is in breach of contract by introducing a new product line is a more serious legal argument.
 
Last edited:

yrly

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 23, 2006
Messages
691
There is lot more to this than advertising slogans.

-Stanley still owes $250 million to Sears for the name, the payment is due next year. Now the $250 million had been earmarked to the Pension via old Sears Holdings. However KCD LLC held the actual trademarks in Bermuda. So if Eddie bought all the “go forward” one would assume KCD was acquired by Transform Holdco so who knows where the money would go. I’d presume the sale isn’t final until the $250 million is paid.

- if Sears was insolvent at the time of the original deal its null and void. This will be likely be the debate of post bankruptcy lawsuits

- the original sale document doesn’t really seem to have anything that would prevent them from rolling out Craftsman Ultimate.

- Sears does not have to stop using Craftsman in terms of the sale, merely they have to pay a royalty like Stanley is paying now after 15 years.

The Baltimore Sun had an article with this hilarious part...

“To demonstrate customer confusion, Stanley included several social media posts about the Craftsman Ultimate Collection.

In the Craftsman Tool Collectors Facebook group, a consumer asked: “Anyone know anything about the Craftsman Ultimate Collection?” One response: “This is just Stanley garbage repackaged and rebranded.”

The lawsuit claims that two customers responding to Sears’ social media post about the Ultimate Collection confirms that the brand is causing confusion. One customer wrote, “I can tell you these new ultimate series are top notch, much better than the Stanley owned variations.”“

Seems to me Stanley is irritated that they have a poor reputation and Sears found a Chinese supplier to make a better tool. Maybe Stanley should go back to making quality stuff in the US like they claimed they would instead of bickering with Sears about who can relabel Chinese stuff better.

My guess is Stanley hopes Sears would roll over and die. They were trying to get this deal amended in bankruptcy court. They have to know this was a bad deal so long as Sears is around, but they should have known getting into it that Eddie would not let Sears die an easy death. I don’t think Sears would’ve ven be trying this without knowing what they legally can get away with. Since Stanley isn’t a retailer, it would probably be up to Lowe’s or Ace to countermarket Sears’ claims about having the largest assortment.

As far as the post about Loggerhead, Sears won the lawsuit because they dug out a nearly identical wrench patented in the 1960s and used that as the basis for their loggerhead like ratchet.
 

JulianMorrow

Banned
Joined
Jan 18, 2019
Messages
287
Location
Oklahoma
The lawsuit claims that two customers responding to Sears’ social media post about the Ultimate Collection confirms that the brand is causing confusion. One customer wrote, “I can tell you these new ultimate series are top notch, much better than the Stanley owned variations.

Ok, look: as long as Sears has the right to market & sell Craftsman tools, they have every right to develop a marketing plan or slogan that gives them a competitive edge. It doesn't matter whether SBD gets upset and loses market share. That's capitalism. That's the free market. Over on the Free Parking forum, there was a similar thread regarding this legal battle. ZenDriver posted the thread-winner, see below:

If SBD was dumb enough to sign a agreement that did not protect their interests, it is their fault. Personally, I thought that part of the deal just sounded dumb from the get go. It's like I buy a used car from somebody but I'm gonna let them continue to drive it around for a couple more months. Nothing could go wrong there.


The post above includes a near-perfect analogy to the mess that SBD is in right now. They signed a terrible contract and now they want the court to fix it. Good luck with that.
 

yrly

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 23, 2006
Messages
691
Ok, look: as long as Sears has the right to market & sell Craftsman tools, they have every right to develop a marketing plan or slogan that gives them a competitive edge. It doesn't matter whether SBD gets upset and loses market share. That's capitalism. That's the free market. Over on the Free Parking forum, there was a similar thread regarding this legal battle. ZenDriver posted the thread-winner, see below:




The post above includes a near-perfect analogy to the mess that SBD is in right now. They signed a terrible contract and now they want the court to fix it. Good luck with that.

Oh I agree the whole agreement was incredibly dumb. I still think the kicker is them being mad about a social media post claiming the Craftsman Ultimate tools are better than Stanley’s version. Well make better tools and quit whining in court about it! If they did then people wouldn’t be posting on social media that the Craftsman Ultimate tools were better, it’s not rocket science.

I’m not sure about Lowe’s and the warranty issues which seem to be the next most common complaint, they really have to get everyone on the same page there.

Edit: well if you want a good read go read the craftsman social media, they’re stuck trying to clean up Sears’ messes and deal with their own
 
Last edited:
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
Top Bottom