CaseyJoes.
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x2. and if I was buying, I would buy the Channellocks every time.
Stanley & Walmart is attacking Channellock
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x2. and if I was buying, I would buy the Channellocks every time.
I try to advise welfare mart at all costs, so I haven't seen the ChannelLocks there.
shoturtle
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Not all walmart has the channel lock tools. The last one I was at only had on small aisle of tool, mostly the base stanley tools. No channel lock.
PeterT
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If you've got a local menards, you can find these channel locks for almost 1/2 that price,, I understand your point though!
allinon72
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My Walmart sells a half-dozen different Channellock tools. They also have 5 different Vaughan hammers and mallets.
What Channellock needs to do is go back to their old packaging that mostly consisted of the American flag in the background. That may get the point across to a little more people.
What Channellock needs to do is go back to their old packaging that mostly consisted of the American flag in the background. That may get the point across to a little more people.
shoturtle
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allot of their tools have the flag on the front again.
dankicksass
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I haven't been to Walmart in a long time, but at the Home Depot, Channellock is getting elbowed out by Dewalt and Milwaukee brand pliers. It's not exactly a secret why (toolguyd post) - but it's not good to see that. Low cost high profit Chinese production tools get the primo shelf space at Channellock's biggest distributor... that can't be good for the Meadville company, and frankly it's not good for consumers.
shoturtle
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The dewalt stuff at hd is not that cheap. They are trying to get the dewalt power tool buyers to pay more for the chinese hand tool vs getting the husky for cheap or lower margin channellock. The dewalt stuff looks to be decent quality, but not worth the prices they are asking.
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allinon72
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Channellock is getting "elbowed out" by ANY tool brand that sits next to it because it'll be $5-10 cheaper. The brand only matters to a few, especially in HD or Lowes.
kythri
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There should be a law....
The Chicom products should be forced to display a Chinese flag of a certain size.
Dave.R
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They already write country of Origin on the product, its not really as if anyone is hiding anything. That's just another thing for our government to have there hand in, monitoring the size of a flag on packaging.
allinon72
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You can't legislate away ignorance and stupidity.
That may be the case at the retail level. At the industrial supply houses, Channellock is a helluva bargain compared to many of the other higher quality brands! They really are one of the best value brands for good quality tools. It's just unfortunate that a lot of consumers are not concerned with real quality.
volpster31
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actually its on the package that you throw out and its real small on the back.... unless your talking about neiko tools u.s.a which is stamped into the tool
the issue isnt really with guys like us on g.j ,its more about the unknowing weekend joe who needs a pair of pliers to tighten a bolt on his toilet and goes to sprawlmart and grabs the cheapest pair.... its never going away but if knowledgable people dont settle for junk ,maybe,just maybe the good brands wont end up in china..volpster31
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i also just bought 2 pairs of channel locks and the package said"fiercely made in the u.s.a" which is cool by me
i also just bought 2 pairs of channel locks and the package said"fiercely made in the u.s.a" which is cool by me
That is cool!
Honestly, that's a pretty smart thing to do if you're wanting to outsell a competitor, but at the same time, it's a bit reprehensible and I find myself loosing what little respect I still had for Stanley.
so it is reprehensible and disrespectful to be competitive in business? wow... sounds so darn american!! (not)
dankicksass
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At HD, the Dewalt and Milwaukee tools are nearly identical in retail price to the Channellock they are replacing on the shelf. It's the bigger profit margins and exclusivity that Home Depot wants, and they don't get either from Meadville.
It's simple, really. China made junk has a gigantic cost benefit for the producer over American made items. It's no secret that China heavily manipulates its currency so that it can drive foreign competitors out of business in relation to its manufacturing base.
So yes, I find the monopolistic and manipulative practices of the Chinese government reprehensible. The good folks in Meadville, PA make a real wage, whereas whatever poor factory worker in China might be able to afford a bowl of rice and a sleeping rental after an 18 hr shift. As such, I find companies that take advantage of questionable practices reprehensible as well.
...and I find "Americans" that champion the outright deception of other Americans reprehensible as well.
Wow, I could've typed the exact same thing. I can name the individual Walmarts and shopping experiences on ONE HAND. There's one in PA (off of I-80) when I was heading West that fits your description, perfectly.
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when we're on the winning side, we don't complain. most american's didn't complain when Microsoft was using their so-called "monopolistic practices" in Europe to dominate the desktop OS market. the europeans finally got pissed and sued Microsoft to hell. but when we're on the losing side we start whinning about it? I think we're better than that... instead of crying foul play, we should be looking to find our own business/economic advantage against our competitors, even if the game isn't fair, we always find a way to beat the competition. that's sportsmanship, not all this complaining and b!tching about how everyone isn't playing fair... i don't know when we turned into a bunch of crying babies... our dysfunctional government doesn't help the situation either... they too seem to be a bunch of whinning babies that can't see the bigger picture and blame each other for their problems.
why do we always assume that the factory workers in PA or what ever industrial US state are the "good folks" and the Chinese factory worker are the "poor factory workers?" we all make due with the opportunities that are presented to us, and however you might want to look upon that opportunity, to someone else it's an opportunity to make more money than they did before, perhaps even to save some to send back to their family back in the village. don't always believe what the media feeds you. it's totally retarded to say some chinese workers work for a super low wage equivalent to X US dollar amount a month... when you don't also compare what living costs over there. the situation may not be ideal, but it may not also be as bad as some media outlets here like to portray it to be.
don't we all remember getting our first job? for me, I interviewed and applied for over 100+ jobs before I landed some where. everyone kept saying, "sorry, no work experience" and I thought, that ain't fair.. how am I suppose to get work experience if no one gives me a freak'n chance? on place even boldly told me they rather hire Mexicans 'cause they are cheaper and don't complain as much as "others" ... I'm like WTF? But whatever, you move on and keep trying. When I finally got that 1st job, was it the best job ever? No, but it got me started and was a stepping stone along the way to better things. I can never talk about how wonderfully i was paid or appreciated for that job, but I can say that it got my feet wet and was able to tell the next employer I do have some experience.
China just started industrializing in the last 30 years; this is basically their 1st or maybe 2nd job as an industrialized nation. you can't reasonably expect their factories to operate like our factories in 2010 (whatever industry we have left). We've had over 100+ years of industrialization experience as a nation.
Frankly, I think we need to start realizing that the bulk of our economy will no longer be blue collar based. We will always have some manufacturing in this nation, but it won't be as it once was. When you've developed your industry for 100+ years, you start moving on to bigger and better things. Just like no one plans to stay in that entry-level or mid-level job for the rest of their careers; we as a nation are moving forward. There's going to be some of us that get left behind; it's just the reality of things. And if we don't want to get left behind, we have to adapt our skills and take on new opportunities. Standing in front of grinding machine with a bucket full of rough cast tools for a day with 15 minute breaks in between isn't exactly that great of a job; i think it's time to move forward.
thank you
fourtythree
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Stanley outsells Channellock, plain and simple. It's much cheaper and the name still has some appeal to the average joe shopping at walmart, despite it being a run of the mill, chinese tool. You give what sells more shelf space. It's no conspiracy. It's merchandising, plain and simple.
I think the anti-competitive practices Microsoft was using in Europe was the same that was being used here: including a browser with the operating system. That's what started it all, anyway, and we went after them here, too.
Honestly, what operating system these days *doesn't* come with a browser?
Maybe Microsoft should sue Oracle and the developers of Libre Office for being anti-competitive by giving away a free product (I think Google got sued in Europe recently for doing that very thing--giving away Google Maps).
shoturtle
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they are trying to cash in on the dewalt name. Higher margin and are better in quality then the husky tools. But I will go with the channel lock over the dewalt hand tools. They are not worth more then the channel lock.
wreckerman5357
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I don't see why someone would be pissed about Walmart selling Channelock tools. People get pissed that Walmart does bot sell any good stuff and then get their ******* in a bunch that Walmart has the nerve to sell the good stuff right next to the cheap stuff. What the hell is going on?
That said, I do a bit of shopping at Walmart. We get certain grocery items there: bread, soda, canned goods, dry goods, etc. We buy stuff like toothpaste, soaps, deoderant, medicine, paper towels, and cleaning supplies there as well. I also buy ammunition for calibers I don't reload for there..22 LR, shotgun shells, and .40s&w. Aside from rimfire, I buy this stuff from Walmart because I can't beat their prices with my reloading equipment. They also have some killer deals on rifles and shotguns. They can order guns they don't stock as well. I also buy my oil and oil filters there. Then there is Channelock pliers and Vaughn hammers. Simply put they have the lowest prices on both of these brands in the area.
All the items I mentioned above can be purchased elsewhere. The exact same brands and models, not "cheaper Walmart equivalents". Why would I go and spend more money to get the same **** elsewhere? That would be stupid. I am not in the business of judging business practices and supporting only certain businesses whom I deem worthy of my money. I am in the business of getting the most I can for my hard earned money.
That said, I do a bit of shopping at Walmart. We get certain grocery items there: bread, soda, canned goods, dry goods, etc. We buy stuff like toothpaste, soaps, deoderant, medicine, paper towels, and cleaning supplies there as well. I also buy ammunition for calibers I don't reload for there..22 LR, shotgun shells, and .40s&w. Aside from rimfire, I buy this stuff from Walmart because I can't beat their prices with my reloading equipment. They also have some killer deals on rifles and shotguns. They can order guns they don't stock as well. I also buy my oil and oil filters there. Then there is Channelock pliers and Vaughn hammers. Simply put they have the lowest prices on both of these brands in the area.
All the items I mentioned above can be purchased elsewhere. The exact same brands and models, not "cheaper Walmart equivalents". Why would I go and spend more money to get the same **** elsewhere? That would be stupid. I am not in the business of judging business practices and supporting only certain businesses whom I deem worthy of my money. I am in the business of getting the most I can for my hard earned money.
byoungblood
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I had a hair brained idea today that stores should have to show by percentage of how many of their products they sell are of foreign origin. Probably not entirely practical, but it would be a wake up call for many people.
warmpancakes
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Be careful taking pics in walmart, they will have you arrested for tresspassing and banned from their property
kythri
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They can't have you arrested for trespassing until they formally trespass you. Just walk away if someone gives you ****, keeping an ear out for someone informing you not to return.
onewaydave
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Honestly, I' surprised that Walmart stocks Channel loc products. What next, Snap on?
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