stick built vs. pole building for a full time shop?

[havi]

size being equal, 30 x 40, 12 foot walls, a 16 foot door on one end, an 8 foot door on the other end.

stick built would be 2x6x10 foot on top of 3 course of block equaling 12 ft.

pole building would be 12 foot walls, fully insulated.

What would be cheaper overall in the end?

Differences, if it matters, is the wiring and outlets on the stick built would be inside the walls, along with sheetrock interior wall covering. Would like to put "box" trusses on for an upstairs. Pole building would be interior sheet metal like the outside, and conduit. would use different type trusses for a loft on one end, about 12 feet by the 30 foot width.

I prefer the cleaner look of the stick built, but if the cost is that much different, I may go the pole building route.

Suggestions? opinions? OP bashing?

 

[cyamaha2007]

I just built my pole barn. 36x56x14h. The interior finishing makes a polebarn a pain. So id go for a stick built if i were you. For a weekend shop a polebarn fits my needs, not my want but thats what was affordable at the time.

 

[rburke65]

As a rule, pole is less expensive. Stick is better suited if you're going to finish the inside.

 

[PoleBarnGuru]

I just built my pole barn. 36x56x14h. The interior finishing makes a polebarn a pain. So id go for a stick built if i were you. For a weekend shop a polebarn fits my needs, not my want but thats what was affordable at the time.

Pole Buildings can be very easily finished on the inside, with any material including drywall. It is just a matter of designing the framing for it in the beginning.

And pole building foundation costs are so much less than stick.

For more information on comparative costs:

http://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/blog/2011/10/buildings-why-not-stick-frame-construction/

http://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/blog/2011/10/pole-building-construction-why-not-stick-frame/

 

[kbs2244]

The saving in pole construction is in the lack of a foundation.
See what your concrete costs would be.

Be aware that foundations may be a code issue.
That can affect your choice a whole lot.

 

[cyamaha2007]

Pole Buildings can be very easily finished on the inside, with any material including drywall. It is just a matter of designing the framing for it in the beginning.

And pole building foundation costs are so much less than stick.

For more information on comparative costs:

http://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/blog/2011/10/buildings-why-not-stick-frame-construction/

http://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/blog/2011/10/pole-building-construction-why-not-stick-frame/

Yeah if i had my head on straight id of done commercial style bookshelf girts. I really like the flexibility with a pole barn. When i built mine i added the quadrupled headers in the sidewalls in certain areas. So when/if i add on ill have a 16ft opening between the new and old after i saw off the post.

 

[bullnerd]

My neibor has had his fab/machine shop in a Morton building for over 25yrs,Not one single issue with the building!

 

[JMcFly]

If I were to build my own garage I would probably go with a pole barn style. I have seen quite a few nice builds here.

 

[rburke65]

I just had a shop put up. I had a pole barn foundation and then conventional studded wall construction on top. They drilled the holes, concrete in the bottom, set the posts....I went every 4'.......the posts are cut level, and left about 16" to 20" above grade. 2"x12"s are placed inside and outside of the posts and a 2"x 12" on top of the posts. Then it's just framed like a standard structure.

 

[mrobins297aaa]

I've had both and I love my pole barn and it was a lot cheaper

 

[DCarr]

size being equal, 30 x 40, 12 foot walls, a 16 foot door on one end, an 8 foot door on the other end.

stick built would be 2x6x10 foot on top of 3 course of block equaling 12 ft.

pole building would be 12 foot walls, fully insulated.

What would be cheaper overall in the end?

Differences, if it matters, is the wiring and outlets on the stick built would be inside the walls, along with sheetrock interior wall covering. Would like to put "box" trusses on for an upstairs. Pole building would be interior sheet metal like the outside, and conduit. would use different type trusses for a loft on one end, about 12 feet by the 30 foot width.

I prefer the cleaner look of the stick built, but if the cost is that much different, I may go the pole building route.

Suggestions? opinions? OP bashing?

I pretty much did exactly as your wanting. A 30' x 40' and I had 36" of block put down and then 2x10's on 16" centers on top of them so my ceiling is just under 13'.

I thought about the Pole Barn style, but that I wanted walls and to fill it ( the way I would want it ) would cost just as much as building the wall in the first place. So i did it right the 1st time. I had R19 insulation installed in them.

Friends helped me put it up and I was right at 20k for all the materials, slab, footer, block & walls

 

[D rock]

I had my 30x40x12 pole barn built back in 2007 for about 40,000. I had an estimate done for a 30x40 stick built it was around 75,000. The 35,000 left on the hip can get lots of stuff for the shop...

 

[mrobins297aaa]

I had my 36 x 64 x 14 pole barn built in 2011 complete with 18'x8' high lift roll up door, 10x12' roll up door 4 3' windows and 2 36" man doors, trusses 24" on center with a shingled roof and 3 sides with 1' overhangs for $23,000 and $8,000 for the slab rat wall and 20 x 20' approach for a total of 31k

 

[racedaymechanic]

I had my 30x40x12 pole barn built back in 2007 for about 40,000. I had an estimate done for a 30x40 stick built it was around 75,000. The 35,000 left on the hip can get lots of stuff for the shop...

Wow you must have solid Gold Siding

 

[RMR&C]

Well Havi, where you live I would be looking at which one you can put the most insulation in, LOL!
Personally, I would do stick built.....
Wish I could go back and do the in floor heat as well.

 

[NHBandit]

I had my 30x40x12 pole barn built back in 2007 for about 40,000. I had an estimate done for a 30x40 stick built it was around 75,000. The 35,000 left on the hip can get lots of stuff for the shop...

As of Thursday when the 2 10x10 insulated doors get installed I will have $17,500 invested in my 30x40x12 pole building. That includes the slab, the building and the overhead doors. Fully insulated & built. I am doing my own electrical and have installed a lift & air compressor, etc and all of those expenses are in addition to the 17.5k but this is proof that it can be done on a tight budget if you shop around. Adding in the cost of the lift, new 60 gallon compressor, all the lights, wiring, outlets, etc. I am still well under 25k. Future plans include an office on the far end where the window & walk through door are. You can follow my build here... http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188161

 

[volaredon]

built my own 30X36 with help from friends, all stick built; I did pay out for all the roofing underlayment and shingles to be done.
I was told I'd wish i went with a rat wall so far no issues without. the bottom sill is treated wood so I should be OK;
I built it the only way I knew how and have been told by a couple of older guys that they havent built things as I did since the '50s, which is way before my time....
the inspector said that if everyone did their projects as I did he would be outta business.

 

[havi]

in-floor is a must! My house is built that way, and it's great.

My plan was to get the shell "dried in". I'd do the finishing, electrical, plumbing, etc..., my house is 2x6 stick built 36x44 10 foot walls, and that was turn-key under $75,000, 5 years ago.

What I'm curious about, is the overall cost in the end. Would the pole barn be half the price of stick?

I was convinced of stick building prior to reading this thread: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123882

Then I got to wondering. I know Mortons cost more than an average pole shed. I then talked to a buddy who had added onto a huge pole building at his dad's to be converted into a shop. But he said when it comes to building his "real" shop, he's going stick build all the way. So that's why I ask. Before I commit, I'd like to get an idea what'll give the best bang for my buck.

And thanks for the replies so far!

I'd be doing most of the stick building myself, it's the only way I know how, too. Whereas putting up the big sheetmetal walls on a pole building would have to be done by the pros.

 

[D.J.]

OK guys I think you all are missing the part where the op says he will install metal on the inside of the walls and roof, ceiling and interior walls will all be metal so he will be in essence be building two buildings less the framing members (lumber). Is he going to use the identical metal or the thinner lighter guage metal known as ?panel liner? I may have the name for this liner incorrect. The drywall I would think would have to be less expensive. Just food for thought.

 

[NUTTSGT]

When you say "full time shop" do you mean a personal shop or a place that a business is ran in?

If it's for a business, make sure it's allowed by local code before you start going to far in the planning process.

 

[havi]

personal shop. Full time, as in it'll be heated to 70 all the time, for painting.

I mentioned the metal interior wall coverings, as that's what my workplace has, with the big rolls of foil-faced insulation sandwiched in between.