xtremek
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$400? But that being said, I'd still have to pass.
And Kev, 4 nests, or were there more?
And Kev, 4 nests, or were there more?
Stooge's Longer term car projects, Part 2
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talking with him this morning, with the days and dogs he's told me that are coming over this week, it will be closer to, or possibly over $500 depending on when one of them goes home. for someone who doesn't currently have any pets, its just nice to have them around for a few days, plus maybe get a little extra exercise walking around with them, help a friend out with his business, and make some easy cash. Plus some extra perks pop up when dealing with wealthy people and their dogs, like I got a free, less than a yr old 65" tv a few weeks ago, comp'd food and drinks at another's high end restaurant, and I've picked up a few side jobs over the yrs between making metal art/ decorations or a few paintings/commission or ones I already had done but I basically gave those away.
xtremek
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I get it. I'd do it for a friend. I love animals, but my wife has 3 cats, a dog and 13 ducks. No thanks.
I would dog sit, but not cat sit.
That is one sweet steering wheel, very much from the correct period. I have never understood having an old car with an awesome dash and sticking a puny little chrome Grant steering wheel in there.
Lessee: 4 nests under backseat, one under console, 3 in headliner, two in passenger side rear armrest, one in drivers side. Total: 11
I didn't bother to count on my last parts car that had been in a field since '74, that ones interior and headliner was destroyed. I spent 1 1/2 hours on that one with the airgun before I would touch anything in it.
I was talking to a guy when I had it loaded and was re tightening straps, he pointed to mice bailing out of it and running around. I may have hauled mice home 500 miles that time.
That is one sweet steering wheel, very much from the correct period. I have never understood having an old car with an awesome dash and sticking a puny little chrome Grant steering wheel in there.
Lessee: 4 nests under backseat, one under console, 3 in headliner, two in passenger side rear armrest, one in drivers side. Total: 11
I didn't bother to count on my last parts car that had been in a field since '74, that ones interior and headliner was destroyed. I spent 1 1/2 hours on that one with the airgun before I would touch anything in it.
I was talking to a guy when I had it loaded and was re tightening straps, he pointed to mice bailing out of it and running around. I may have hauled mice home 500 miles that time.
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xtremek
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Eleven 
Well after over a year of ownership, and 8 or 9 months of slowly plugging away at the Buick, I finally got to actually sit in it! It may not sound like a big accomplishment, but it was certainly a nice feeling, and all I had to do was rebuild most of the floors, rebuild the rockers on both sides, rebuild the door sills, rebuild the inner and outer sections of both doors, make some running boards from scratch, find an engine and transmission, find a steering column and steering box, and find some seats. Also had a few of my most used tools break on me the last few weeks, so I was on hold for a bit while I upgraded some tooling.
First few pictures are of getting the last big piece of the floor in, using a method I affectionately refer to as a poor mans spot weld/ plug weld, but for an area that's fairly obstructed for a spot welder to get in to, it made the most sense to go this route. Both the under lapped piece and the over lapping piece that will be sandwiched, are both painted, (I chose white for ease of marking), cleco clamped in place, and the upper piece is marked off where the plug welds will be . These marks are then drilled, the piece put back into position, and the lower piece is marked off to the accompanying holes, and the upper is removed again. Then I kissed the new marks on the lower with a carbide bit to remove the paint, upper piece is repositioned and clamped, and plug welded. the rest of the perimeter of the new piece is **** welded, but is just tacked in place for the time being until I go back in and finish welding the rest of the floor. Im not a fan of weld-thru primers, they seem to have very bad adhesion and poor conductivity so you get a lot of spatter, which can create a dangerous fire hazard when there is still some insulation in the car body....I've also lit a pair of pants or 2 on fire thanks to weld through primer spatter
(That might have sounded a bit formal, but I used the same text on my thread on the Antique Auto Club boards!)
1 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
2 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
3 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
Along with all of the finish welding as most everything is just tacked into place, I have a handful of little filler pieces to make, so ignore the few holes you can see in the center of the differential raised portion, and on the slanted pieces that **** up against the well tubs.
4 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
5 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
6 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
7 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
8 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
9 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
10 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
11 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
12 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
13 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
First few pictures are of getting the last big piece of the floor in, using a method I affectionately refer to as a poor mans spot weld/ plug weld, but for an area that's fairly obstructed for a spot welder to get in to, it made the most sense to go this route. Both the under lapped piece and the over lapping piece that will be sandwiched, are both painted, (I chose white for ease of marking), cleco clamped in place, and the upper piece is marked off where the plug welds will be . These marks are then drilled, the piece put back into position, and the lower piece is marked off to the accompanying holes, and the upper is removed again. Then I kissed the new marks on the lower with a carbide bit to remove the paint, upper piece is repositioned and clamped, and plug welded. the rest of the perimeter of the new piece is **** welded, but is just tacked in place for the time being until I go back in and finish welding the rest of the floor. Im not a fan of weld-thru primers, they seem to have very bad adhesion and poor conductivity so you get a lot of spatter, which can create a dangerous fire hazard when there is still some insulation in the car body....I've also lit a pair of pants or 2 on fire thanks to weld through primer spatter
(That might have sounded a bit formal, but I used the same text on my thread on the Antique Auto Club boards!)
1 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
2 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
3 by Dan Haas, on FlickrAlong with all of the finish welding as most everything is just tacked into place, I have a handful of little filler pieces to make, so ignore the few holes you can see in the center of the differential raised portion, and on the slanted pieces that **** up against the well tubs.
4 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
5 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
6 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
7 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
8 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
9 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
10 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
11 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
12 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
13 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
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xtremek
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DUDE!! That's pretty good job in my book. You move faster than I do.
Congrats! It looks goooood!
Every time I have wished for a spot welder, it would not fit where I want to use it anyway.
I eyeballed the car I was grinding on last winter in the garage for something to do this weekend, but heaved a great sigh and tore into my rusty old AWD that needs work before the snow gets too deep. I really had to push myself to do it, wife asked why I was grumpy Sunday morning, that was the reason....
Every time I have wished for a spot welder, it would not fit where I want to use it anyway.
I eyeballed the car I was grinding on last winter in the garage for something to do this weekend, but heaved a great sigh and tore into my rusty old AWD that needs work before the snow gets too deep. I really had to push myself to do it, wife asked why I was grumpy Sunday morning, that was the reason....
Thanks guys! in my head, I was planning on being a bit further along by this time, but having a day job and not being infinitely wealthy sure puts a damper on things!
Not that I had lost the motivation to work on the buick at any point, but theres just been a lot of rust repair to do and it gets tiring, (atleast when its for your own car and your not getting paid for it!) but getting to sit in it and look through the windshield really did a lot to get me excited! Next up is repairing the weather stripping channel around part of the trunk that's a bit rotted, make the brackets and supports for the passenger side running board, before pulling the front sheet metal off to fix a spot behind one of the fenders, but need to keep the fenders on for the time being so I can position the running board. Still trying to shoot some U-POL direct to metal high fill primer on atleast the fenders, hood and trunk by the end of the year.
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Quite a few close ups of the interior and dash. Might be helpful:
https://madison.craigslist.org/cto/d/1938-buick-special-runs-and/6762833725.html
https://madison.craigslist.org/cto/d/1938-buick-special-runs-and/6762833725.html
Looks good, but unfortunately im missing a lot of the "core" parts like door panels, interior panels, etc, that even buying the $5k worth of interior reupholstery kit from a company like Lebarron Bonney, I wouldn't have anything to attach it to, so a bare bones interior for the time being atleast, but I will spring for getting the seat correctly upholstered atleast.
I've been welding in some more of the floor since its all just been tacked in, but it doesn't look like anything. I have made a little progress on the edsel though. made a wood form for the bodyline, and started hammering that out, needs some tweaking and refinement, but its not a million miles away but the "peak" end of it isn't as pronounced as I want it to be yet. got the majority of the old cut out and started tacking in the new headlight bucket piece this morning. a little trimming, massaging and refining still to do, but you can only do so much when the old is in the way.
20181201_143525 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20181209_111203 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20181209_113143 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20181209_112820 by Dan Haas, on FlickrAnd a few tacks to make it a little easier to massage a few areas
20181209_121508 by Dan Haas, on Flickrxtremek
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Looks good.
I really hope you enjoy doing that kind of work, that fender is quite the marathon. I enjoy seeing it, as all I have been doing lately is DD repairs.
I will say the rear disk rebuild on the awd was worth it, the old rust bucket stops on a dime again.
I will say the rear disk rebuild on the awd was worth it, the old rust bucket stops on a dime again.
Thanks fellas!
Hah, I guess I enjoy it enough that this fender has been a freebie on my part! if it was something I was getting paid for, I'd probably try and get it finished quicker. there have been a few little jobs I've been doing that I haven't really posted here mostly because they aren't that interesting, floor/ trunk patches, small door repairs, mechanic work, etc. the guy who owns the Edsel is a good friend of mine , and I know he'll do good by me in some other area somewhere down the road rather than trying to charge him now. Theres people I'll make money off of, and theres people I don't need to make money off of, and he falls into the small category of not.
I also forgot I did this little thing the other day. I do some painting in my freetime, just cartoons, illustrations, etc.(theres an album in my profile on here with a couple of them), they just pile up in a corner on the floor or if someone wants one, I give it away. A friend asked for one that I had already done, but wanted to throw in a surprise one that I wanted to do of one of her birds she's had. and since its going to someone, figured I'd make it a little nicer than a plain rectangular panel.
16" circle cut out with a cutting wheel since I forgot I have a plasma cutter, (forgot as I don't ever use it and its in the backroom collecting dust), bead rolled and ended up looking like a pizza pan, and spray bombed black awaiting some doodling. I though the bead rolling around the edge sort of framed it in and made it look a little more finished.
20181208_114325 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20181208_130413 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20181208_130831 by Dan Haas, on FlickrOhmthis
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The Buick is looking great! Im impressed with the fender as well. That is a lot of cancer to replace. Keep it up!
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Stooge looking good..
xtremek
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Quit hogging all the snow, Kev. I hope everyone is having a good start to the new year.
Move along, nothing to see here! Spent 3 of the 4 days new yrs eve weekend really trying to finish up the floors in the buick, replacing a few areas of risty metal tht i thought was going to be fine t weld to, and still a few little spots to fill but in hoping to have that all done tomorrow. Then its going over and getting the surface rust off of the inner walls and roof, seam sealing all of the new seams and spraying the interior black, black paint, seam sealer and new gallon of evercoat rage gold body filler waiting patiently.
Just got home from the doctors, and finally after ignoring my nuissance of a leg for the last 6months, it finlaly got bad enough to go in. "Classic sciatica issue" from whatever L and L discs, physical therapy starts wednesday! Just in time for sanding to start!
Just got home from the doctors, and finally after ignoring my nuissance of a leg for the last 6months, it finlaly got bad enough to go in. "Classic sciatica issue" from whatever L and L discs, physical therapy starts wednesday! Just in time for sanding to start!
xtremek
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Leg and back issues are no fun. Good luck with PT.
So I finally decided to chuck the metal shrinking disk up in the 7" grinder, crawl into the trunk and see if it really would stop the oil canning. Answer: yes.
But Holy Moly, I regret buying a 14 amp grinder. Lying on the trunk floor holding that thing up while trying to shrink a specific 2" x 2" area with a 9" disk spinning 8000 RPM 1" away from your fingers/wrist...
After a couple hours on and off working around the area (it's about 6" x 9" my left wrist gave up. The area is still puckered, but no longer oil cans. I will work it some more, but it is going to end up with quite a bit of mud. I started working it with a 3 lb hammer in desperation but it really wants to be the way it is.
But Holy Moly, I regret buying a 14 amp grinder. Lying on the trunk floor holding that thing up while trying to shrink a specific 2" x 2" area with a 9" disk spinning 8000 RPM 1" away from your fingers/wrist...
After a couple hours on and off working around the area (it's about 6" x 9" my left wrist gave up. The area is still puckered, but no longer oil cans. I will work it some more, but it is going to end up with quite a bit of mud. I started working it with a 3 lb hammer in desperation but it really wants to be the way it is.
tinker rick
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Stooge I realize it's winter , but did it mean putting the Buick on ice .
Stooge I realize it's winter , but did it mean putting the Buick on ice .
not quite, just taking it slow! Started physical therapy in January for a sciatica issue that i had been ignoring all year and finally caught up with me
Luckily ive been starting to have more good days than bad lately and have been getting some stuff done, floor is "done", maybe a little more grinding/cleaning, cleaning the final surface rust off the inner roof, then seam sealer on the floor and can spray the whole interior, minus the dash which im thinking i might have hydrographic dipped along with the inner window garnishings in a wood look, like how it wouldve been from the factory...or just spray them all a solid color?
Also have been working on figuring how i'll tie together the throttle and choke linkages, fuel line/distribution. Parts are coming in, and more on order and some changes being made to the carb/intake set up.
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xtremek
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Those four little beauties look really nice standing there.
1953mercury
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Carbs and intake look great. Any plans for some sort of balance tube to tie the intake together? Mike
Going to be changing it slightly to tie the carbs together to make it more of a log style which should make setting them up a bit easier/more forgiving. Should also help with having something to set up the bell crank/ throttle linkage i have planned out as well as the fuel distribution blocks and lines
Parts are coming in so i should have something to show in the next few days
BajaScout
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not quite, just taking it slow! Started physical therapy in January for a sciatica issue that i had been ignoring all year and finally caught up with me
Luckily ive been starting to have more good days than bad lately and have been getting some stuff done, floor is "done", maybe a little more grinding/cleaning, cleaning the final surface rust off the inner roof, then seam sealer on the floor and can spray the whole interior, minus the dash which im thinking i might have hydrographic dipped along with the inner window garnishings in a wood look, like how it wouldve been from the factory...or just spray them all a solid color?
Also have been working on figuring how i'll tie together the throttle and choke linkages, fuel line/distribution. Parts are coming in, and more on order and some changes being made to the carb/intake set up.
Dealt with sciatica for years. Look up piriformis massage. No cost pain relief if you have someone willing to help. Solved years of sciatica issues for me. Never had a doctor even suggest it.
IndyGarage
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I do all the piriformis stretches when my back starts hurting.
I would also highly recommend yoga if your back hurts. Seriously my back killed me for years, and I bought this $10 beginning yoga video from Wal-mart. It had two 15 minute workouts. I started doing them daily - at first it was hard, but after a couple weeks my back pain was gone. Yeah it seemed pretty stupid at first, but it works.
Thanks Indy, for your information.
Yes, bad pain is so isolating and is a real party killer.
Medication is also no long term solution to bad pain.
I had been on medication and pain killers since a bad car accident in 1995 and by the year 2016, I decided that medication was going to speed up my demise.
I could not go 3 days without taking medication and over about 1 year I got that down to more than 5 weeks between seeking medication.
It was empowering and I owe much of my success to the support of my wife and close family who were willing to tolerate my withdrawal and bad moods.
Cold turkey is not a dish I enjoy...
Thanks to a family group effort, I have come a long way but more improvement is still required.
Addiction became as much a problem as pain.
Pain destroyed my relationship with my previous wife and my two children and none of us has every been able to reconnect since.
Sorry, it was not my intention to kill your thread with my comments, but to express my thanks for any offerings that could make life easier pain wise.
Maybe also help others...
Yes, bad pain is so isolating and is a real party killer.
Medication is also no long term solution to bad pain.
I had been on medication and pain killers since a bad car accident in 1995 and by the year 2016, I decided that medication was going to speed up my demise.
I could not go 3 days without taking medication and over about 1 year I got that down to more than 5 weeks between seeking medication.
It was empowering and I owe much of my success to the support of my wife and close family who were willing to tolerate my withdrawal and bad moods.
Cold turkey is not a dish I enjoy...
Thanks to a family group effort, I have come a long way but more improvement is still required.
Addiction became as much a problem as pain.
Pain destroyed my relationship with my previous wife and my two children and none of us has every been able to reconnect since.
Sorry, it was not my intention to kill your thread with my comments, but to express my thanks for any offerings that could make life easier pain wise.
Maybe also help others...
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After looking into the piriformis mentioned, my physical therapist has actually been doing that as part of the routine with my back work, i just didnt know what it was. Its definitely been on the uptick lately, but i am 100% certain i made it worse by ignoring it since i walk crooked/favor putting pressure on my left side even now that the pain is more tolerable. I had my re-eval friday after about a month or so of therapy, and it was nice to see measurable improvement of what i can do now versus just a few weeks ago. A good friend of mine has brought up yoga a few times to me lately and she is going to figure out a little routine to start me on as she's been at it for a good while and i wont need to deal with having to go to a yoga studio and feeling grossly out of place.
No worries from me, glad to hear you made the change that you needed to make! Not for any sort of injury, but i spent too much of my youth being heavily addicted to certain painkillers and the substances they inevitably lead to, along with a plethora of other recreational ones before cleaning up my act back in 2007. I'll take a couple over the counter ibuprofins here and there when needed lately if my back is feeling a little jacked up, but even the frequency of those has been going dwn the last week or 2 with therapy
No worries from me, glad to hear you made the change that you needed to make! Not for any sort of injury, but i spent too much of my youth being heavily addicted to certain painkillers and the substances they inevitably lead to, along with a plethora of other recreational ones before cleaning up my act back in 2007. I'll take a couple over the counter ibuprofins here and there when needed lately if my back is feeling a little jacked up, but even the frequency of those has been going dwn the last week or 2 with therapy
xtremek
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Back injury is the worst. I found relief with a really good surgeon. One hour on the table and I was a new man.
A sort of real update! I've been collecting some parts for the changes I wanted to make to the carburetor set up, and the throttle and choke linkages and fuel lines. the choke was easy enough but im going to revise my idea for the throttle. Also made a few deals over the weekend over on the HAMB to get a complete set of transmission internals including all of the little pieces I was missing along with the gear sets to replace the counter cluster and low/ reverse chipped ones I had, as well as to have some spares of the rest of the gears, and potentially another back up pair of the 2 chipped ones from someone else, so I should be able to piece together a complete transmission and have some spares just in case, (it has been awhile since ive driven a manual 
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first a gratuitous, but handsome picture
20180805_123940 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
how the carbs were set up, although they were facing out, rather than in. Mid/ late 1940s Carter W1's
20180729_163535 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
cutting the homemade carb flanges I made off so I didn't have to make new ones, they were just tacked in place. I also made some 3/8-16 studs and welded them into the flanges but now pictures of that.
20190216_090548 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
oval tubing sitting in place. I was turned off from log style intakes before since they were done with just rectangular or standard round tubing and looked a little cheap. the oval tubing was a little expensive but looks better in my opinion, and having the carbs tied together should make everything a little easier
20190216_103227 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20190216_133558 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
obviously the ends will be closed up, but its all just tacked together for the time being, and i'll clean up the inside, and figure out if im going to have some brackets welded to it to make setting the throttle linkages, bell crank and possibly something for the fuel lines attached to it as well.
20190216_140055 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20190216_140131 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
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and something a bit different, and so you guys don't think I've just been sitting around all this time not keeping myself occupied, another hobby of mine
20190126_152629 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20190126_152654 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20190215_202221 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20190106_132312 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20180704_202052 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20190106_132041 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20190106_132029 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20180804_195802 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
And one for a friend of mine and one of her birds, this piece was cut out from 18ga, cleaned up and bead rolled around the perimeter,
Screenshot_2018-12-19-16-17-43 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20181208_130413 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
)first a gratuitous, but handsome picture
20180805_123940 by Dan Haas, on Flickrhow the carbs were set up, although they were facing out, rather than in. Mid/ late 1940s Carter W1's
20180729_163535 by Dan Haas, on Flickrcutting the homemade carb flanges I made off so I didn't have to make new ones, they were just tacked in place. I also made some 3/8-16 studs and welded them into the flanges but now pictures of that.
20190216_090548 by Dan Haas, on Flickroval tubing sitting in place. I was turned off from log style intakes before since they were done with just rectangular or standard round tubing and looked a little cheap. the oval tubing was a little expensive but looks better in my opinion, and having the carbs tied together should make everything a little easier
20190216_103227 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20190216_133558 by Dan Haas, on Flickrobviously the ends will be closed up, but its all just tacked together for the time being, and i'll clean up the inside, and figure out if im going to have some brackets welded to it to make setting the throttle linkages, bell crank and possibly something for the fuel lines attached to it as well.
20190216_140055 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
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and something a bit different, and so you guys don't think I've just been sitting around all this time not keeping myself occupied, another hobby of mine
20190126_152629 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20190126_152654 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20190215_202221 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20190106_132312 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20180704_202052 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20190106_132041 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20190106_132029 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20180804_195802 by Dan Haas, on FlickrAnd one for a friend of mine and one of her birds, this piece was cut out from 18ga, cleaned up and bead rolled around the perimeter,
Screenshot_2018-12-19-16-17-43 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
20181208_130413 by Dan Haas, on Flickr
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xtremek
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Nice artwork. Will a log style intake cost you on the bottom end. Wouldn't a balance tube work just as well and let you keep your lower RPMs?
After a few months of research, it came down to some copying, guessing and hoping, but in short, the simple notes have been; pulse control seems to call for a common plenum between the carbs, long skinny runners and small plenum volume good for low end, big short runners with large plenum for top end. not so much for the straight 8's but some books, and research with mostly inline 6 stuff, have log style plenums similar to this with varying sized plenum tubes as well as runners, so I kind of took a blend of old race cars and hot rod set ups, what some people smarter than I are doing with log style intakes and will use it as a starting point
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I can't wait to see how it performs on the street.