Astro_Pneumatic_Tools
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qaz, you sent me a pm too.
Just read this thread.
Just read this thread.
Strongest .401 Air Hammer
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Finky198
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Agreed here's my atlas rrh12p ts
Loscaldazar
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Well I fired off an email to CP to see what they had to say about the CP7150. It's rated as being stronger than the CP717 (a .498 air hammer, 7.3 joules to the CP7150's 9.5 joules and .401 shank). The CP7150 is also rated as being able to do bigger rivets than the CP717. CP also claims the CP7150 is the strongest air hammer in class....but, what class is that? Is the PH3050B the same class as it?
I also asked how they thought those two air hammers would compare to a PH3050B for the heck of it. Will be interesting to see how they respond
I'll update when I get a response. I'm kinda hoping the CP7150 is actually a killer air hammer for a great price. I'd love to do a real life comparison of air hammers, but the funds just aren't there to buy multiple air hammers for the heck of it.
I also asked how they thought those two air hammers would compare to a PH3050B for the heck of it. Will be interesting to see how they respond
I'll update when I get a response. I'm kinda hoping the CP7150 is actually a killer air hammer for a great price. I'd love to do a real life comparison of air hammers, but the funds just aren't there to buy multiple air hammers for the heck of it.
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Well as you might guess I'm involved in fire & rescue work. Back in "the day" we ran an apparatus that had a full on shop compressor and ran air hammers primarily as panel cutters. Those methods were quickly replaced by the heavy hydraulic tools most people know as the "Jaws of Life". When we ran the air hammers I tried to take out "Nader" door bolts (pins) with it, and always found it a losing battle. Today as it turns out I was working with another agency doing a auto rescue drill. Somebody pulled out the old school air hammer, after having played with the Jaws to see how it faired, no surprises- it failed. So having seen this thread today- I got to ask: are there long barrel- high pressure guns out there that will actually have an effect on a door pin?
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Cope
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My 4901 came today. Looks great. I oiled it up, added a whip hose and screwed on my old Snap-on Q/R bit holder. One or two short burst and the plastic threads on the holder disintegrated! I cannot get a bit inserted with the spring. Who makes a good Q/R model?
Astro_Pneumatic_Tools
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Yes, please be advised the 4901 and 4980 break things.
Literally 5 mins after getting our first QC sample of the 4980 years ago our testing jig was broken in half.
Try Ajax
Cope
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Thanks. Is there a trick to using the spring? Also, I found an Ajax 3300-9 and 3300-U. The 09 is listed for most air hammers including I-R and Snap-on and the U is listed as a universal. Does it matter which one I use?
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Astro_Pneumatic_Tools
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Not sure what you mean, does it fit into it? The ones that come in the kit, right? Try putting the bit in the spring then threading it onto the tool.
Make sure you're trying the hammer against something solid. You can't "dry fire" air hammers in the air.
Cope
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I understand about dry firing. Before I had the Q/R chuck, I could wiggle the bit under the retainer on my Snap-on PH50. I know I can insert the bit and the thread the spring on. Please look at the question I added regarding Ajax. Thanks.
Astro_Pneumatic_Tools
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Looks like 3300-U to me
Cope
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Thanks.
bczygan
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Newbie here
Air hammer...Air riveter.......any difference?
Uses?.....besides riveting.
Bill
Air hammer...Air riveter.......any difference?
Uses?.....besides riveting.
Bill
Cope
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Ball joints, Bushings, mufflers to name a few.
why did u buy the 3050? was the 4901 not made at that time? which one would you say is stronger? gonna buy the 4901 soon maybe. no bias please mr astro pneumatic.
Astro_Pneumatic_Tools
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Intended for different industries, but essentially do the same thing. An air riveter will usually have a more variable "teasing" trigger and also more likely to have some built in shock suppression. Also usually more expensive.
I wasn't working at Astro at that time, and my opinion would most certainly be bias.
would you say their powers are similar or one is stronger?
bczygan
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Just found the 4901 for $94 and change, including shipping.
Is the trigger variable like a riveter?
Bill
Is the trigger variable like a riveter?
Bill
Also works great for coaxing rusted drums and rotors off, cutting sheet metal, shearing the heads off bolts, rivets, etc, and even removing automotive cooling fans from clutches with the right attachment.
scissorman
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Snap-on PH3050 here and nothing it hasn't worked on yet. Set to the highest setting and watch stuff explode.
Bill,
The Astro 4901 air hammer does have a variable trigger, but the sensitivity of the trigger is not quite as smooth and easily variable as one on a high-end air riveter.
The 4901 is still an awesome air hammer.
93calypsohatch
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Where did you find it for $94?
bczygan
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Sold by a 3rd party seller on Amazon, Palm Great. He had 2, but none now.
Says shipped USPS. No tracking.
Hope I get it.
Bill
bczygan
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Bill,
The Astro 4901 air hammer does have a variable trigger, but the sensitivity of the trigger is not quite as smooth and easily variable as one on a high-end air riveter.
The 4901 is still an awesome air hammer.
True!
I just talked to Astro and found out the 4901 is usable as a riveter, just as the 4980 (Big Nasty) is. Big Nasty has 16% (Correction: 18%) more joules of power.
If I actually get it, it will be great.
Bill
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I have a snap on 3050b and its just too strong for .401 bits. It regularly breaks snapdown on and mayhew bits. Youre better off with a .498 gun. Last week I had a snap on hammer bit break below the chuck and it somehow damaged my 3050b. Luckily it was still under warranty.
Astro_Pneumatic_Tools
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18-22% more joules/min, is different per blow if my records are to be trusted.
bczygan
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You're right of course. I mis-typed. Will correct.
Don't know if I will get. Charge card never charged, but Amazon says shipped and lists refund amount....???
Correction, charge card was charged. Still hope.
Bill
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JohnDeere1
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I bought my snap on for $150 at a pawn shop used but like new it's green and a real beast I've heard that it's the strongest 401 you can buy and I researched the hell out of it.
ttpete
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I like the rivet guns because I can walk a rusted on nut loose using a chisel on a flat and just start tapping on it along with some penetrant. It will start moving and you won't twist a stud off.
bczygan
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UPDATE:
So the 3rd party seller cancelled the transaction and put in a refund request that will take a few days to happen. He is saying it was lost in shipping but never gave a tracking number. Fishy stuff going on here.
In the old days, Amazon would fix these things by sending their own stock and price matching. It cost them too much, so they no longer do that.
I called them anyway. Went through the process of complaining to someone in the Philippines. Escalated it to a US rep when no satisfaction was forthcoming.
Ashley in GA did everything possible to help me. First, she had me order the last one available from Amazon with our prime account. Her supervisor put a $35 discount on the $210 price and then she did the same, but this also had a $8 tax. So $150 total. Minus the $95 that will be refunded it adds $55 to the price. But she will add another $25 tomorrow to our account that can be used on future purchases. So total ended up being $125. Still a deal. And we'll get it quick. PS, she is reporting the seller.
Bill
So the 3rd party seller cancelled the transaction and put in a refund request that will take a few days to happen. He is saying it was lost in shipping but never gave a tracking number. Fishy stuff going on here.
In the old days, Amazon would fix these things by sending their own stock and price matching. It cost them too much, so they no longer do that.
I called them anyway. Went through the process of complaining to someone in the Philippines. Escalated it to a US rep when no satisfaction was forthcoming.
Ashley in GA did everything possible to help me. First, she had me order the last one available from Amazon with our prime account. Her supervisor put a $35 discount on the $210 price and then she did the same, but this also had a $8 tax. So $150 total. Minus the $95 that will be refunded it adds $55 to the price. But she will add another $25 tomorrow to our account that can be used on future purchases. So total ended up being $125. Still a deal. And we'll get it quick. PS, she is reporting the seller.
Bill
so the astro 4901 will break bits as well?????
If its anywhere close to the 3050b expect to replace a bit after about 10 minutes of operating time.
so 210 - 35 - 25 (future purchase) = 125?
what????? dont u get full refund so it doesnt matter on next purchase?
This is a very informative post. What I would like to know is if other manufacturers post in other forums. Astro is here, but what about other brands, like, Ingersoll Rand, Chicago Pneumatic's,Snap On, just to name a few..I have not seen any other brands that put in the extra mile. This is good to see.Ken
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2ndGearRubber
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Try AJAX bits. My CP .401 rarely breaks them, and the CP714 isn't considered babys' first air hammer. I personally prefer it to the snapon, as it has far better trigger control (tap--tap--tap--tap) and hits in a comparable manner.
Ajax stands up to my Astro "big nasty", which makes the snap on long barrel look like butterfly kisses.
We used to have an engineer from IR who posted here. We also had a few Snap On dealers. While I don't believe any of them were here in an official capacity, they were a great resource. But they caught so much **** I think they just stopped bothering.
There also used to be a nice lady from Lista on here, but I havent seen her post in quite a while. I believe she was here in an official capacity.
We do have someone from Trusty-Cook hammers who posts occasionally. But Astro is definitely the most active, and I'm sure that effort has sold them a lot of tools.