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Suggestions on Precision Screwdrivers

uzapuca

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Hi guys,

I am new in this forum.

Would you know of a good brand for Precision Screwdrivers? I am looking for a good set for small works on PC, jewlery or changing screws in my watch.

I have check Bahco

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006MI5X1K/?tag=atomicindus08-20


but at $70 dollars for 6 screwdrivers is maybe too much for a tool i will not be everyday. Nevertheless i would like a good tool to last and not the $10 dollars set which is everywhere.

Any suggestion?

Best regards,
S
 
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Wiha. Have lots of their precision drivers, they can take the torque without camming out and they fit the screws well. They offer a larger selection than anyone else I've found as well.
 

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Wiha, or the little Klein set with rubber handles 4 per set. 2 straight 2 phillips about $20
 

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Wera
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Milwaukee now sells a nice set at HD but all I've seen is three straight blades and one phillips (4 pack)
 

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Wiha 100%. Years ago I had my own video/camera repair business. I tried pretty much everything that I could get my hands on and always came back to Wiha. I've never had a single one with the shaft off center and the tips hold up really well.

I still have a small collection and use them a couple times a week.
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Wiha 100%. Years ago I had my own video/camera repair business. I tried pretty much everything that I could get my hands on and always came back to Wiha. I've never had a single one with the shaft off center and the tips hold up really well.

I still have a small collection and use them a couple times a week.
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I have this Wiha set and they are VERY nice. Really good drivers. I got this set with a "free " needle nose plier for $29 at a local industrial tool store.
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Wiha 100%. Years ago I had my own video/camera repair business. I tried pretty much everything that I could get my hands on and always came back to Wiha. I've never had a single one with the shaft off center and the tips hold up really well.

I still have a small collection and use them a couple times a week.
Wiha.jpg

There ya go ^^^^^^
 

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Another vote for the Wiha. A great.carry bag/roll too.....my pick set and SO magnetic flathead fits inside cleanly.
 
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uzapuca

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I have this Wiha set and they are VERY nice. Really good drivers. I got this set with a "free " needle nose plier for $29 at a local industrial tool store.
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Hi guys,
Thanks very much for the various good suggestions ;)

1) Is there any special difference between Whia, Wera and Moody screwdrivers that you could think off?

2) Any good store i could order online for those screwdrivers that you might recommend?



Best,
 

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1) Is there any special difference between Whia, Wera and Moody screwdrivers that you could think off?

2) Any good store i could order online for those screwdrivers that you might recommend?


I had a bad experience with Wera. Granted it's been several years ago. I bought a set and the shafts were off center on several of them-Wera may have fixed that by now, but it drove me nuts when there was a wobble to shaft. I also didn't like the handle and spin cap shapes and the plastic on the handle didn't feel as solid. In the case of Wiha, the simple shape of the handle and the matching size of the spin cap really works well in my hand. Wiha's feel more solid to me, too.

You can pick up Wiha on Amazon and directly from Wiha at Wihatools.com. Amazon has the fast shipping, but I've found that Wiha has exclusive specials on their website from time to time.
 

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I had a bad experience with Wera. Granted it's been several years ago. I bought a set and the shafts were off center on several of them-Wera may have fixed that by now, but it drove me nuts when there was a wobble to shaft. I also didn't like the handle and spin cap shapes and the plastic on the handle didn't feel as solid. In the case of Wiha, the simple shape of the handle and the matching size of the spin cap really works well in my hand. Wiha's feel more solid to me, too.

You can pick up Wiha on Amazon and directly from Wiha at Wihatools.com. Amazon has the fast shipping, but I've found that Wiha has exclusive specials on their website from time to time.

Chad's Tool Box is probably the best selection on Wiha,Wera,Felo, etc. and usually lowest pricing.
 

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Chad's Tool Box is probably the best selection on Wiha,Wera,Felo, etc. and usually lowest pricing.
I believe Chad's recently (in the last year) dropped Wiha. Possibly because of Amazon who was lower on a lot of items. You can still find some odds & ends of Wiha on Chad's, but very little if any stock.
 
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Codyyy

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I've been looking into a good set as well. I used to use Matco at my old job which I'm assuming was a rebadged version of a different tool set, but those were very nice (and pricey).
 
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uzapuca

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I had a bad experience with Wera. Granted it's been several years ago. I bought a set and the shafts were off center on several of them-Wera may have fixed that by now, but it drove me nuts when there was a wobble to shaft. I also didn't like the handle and spin cap shapes and the plastic on the handle didn't feel as solid. In the case of Wiha, the simple shape of the handle and the matching size of the spin cap really works well in my hand. Wiha's feel more solid to me, too.

You can pick up Wiha on Amazon and directly from Wiha at Wihatools.com. Amazon has the fast shipping, but I've found that Wiha has exclusive specials on their website from time to time.

Thanks Exeter for the extra info and comparison. It seems everybody kind of agree with Wiha as the brand to go, right? :thumbup:

I took a look at Wihatools.com. They do carry many interesting deals there. As an extra thought and as a designer myself it been a while since i did not see a website so confusing to understand. I might get lucky if i order the right thing. :confused:
 

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Hi guys,
Thanks very much for the various good suggestions ;)

1) Is there any special difference between Whia, Wera and Moody screwdrivers that you could think off?

2) Any good store i could order online for those screwdrivers that you might recommend?



Best,

I don't own any of the smaller Wera screwdrivers so I can't give great feedback on those.

The short answer for the difference between the Wiha and Moody is ergonomics and blade finish.

Most moody screwdrivers use a black finish on the blade tips.

Many on the Wiha screwdrivers use a hard chrome finish on the blades.

I'm not sure what the durability difference will be over time but the chrome might be better if you live by the ocean or have temperature swings or humidity.



The other major difference is the shape, ergonomics, and material the handles/grips are made of.

The older Wiha design which is still in production, has a round central body with a swivel cap and a hex shape towards the area were the blade is inserted. The hex area is were your fingers grip when turning the screwdriver. While it works, and the screwdrivers are high quality I don't really like the hex shape. I don't feel my fingertips really get a proper grip or can't turn the screwdriver as easily. I have shorter squat fingers which might make the ergonomics different from someone with a different hand type. This screwdriver handle type in molded from plastic and available in ESD safe and non-ESD safe plastic.

Wiha also produces a soft grip type of precision screwdriver in regular, and 1000v insulated types. I'm not personally familiar with these, but the ergonomics look slightly different. They still have the hex shape right by the blades, but there is a rounder portion right above it.

Wiha also has there System 4 screwdrivers, that use the same handle style as their precision screwdrivers but with interchangeable 4mm hex blades and bits.



Moody actually produces three different handle types.

The first is a chrome plated turned steel handle with a swivel hex washer on top. These screwdrivers have replaceable, interchangeable blades and are available in sets with a single handle and multiple different blades, or in more expensive sets were each blade type comes with a handle. The diameter of the handles is about the same as USA and English precision screwdrivers like Starrett, Lufkin, or Eclipse. This diameter is larger than the handles on watchmaker screwdrivers like Bergeon.

The second type of Moody handle is a light blue, molded, ESD safe plastic, with a round swivel washer on top. The handle is round from the top to the blade, but there are slight flutes molded into the body for grip. I find this handle style the most ergonomic. This handle style is available as one piece, with the blade molded directly into the handle. There is also a molded handle that has the same type of collet found on the chrome handles mounted in the ESD safe handle so it's possible to use the interchangeable blades with the ESD safe handle. Facom makes a series of ESD safe screwdrivers with similar ergonomics.

The third Moody handle type is turned, knurled, anodized aluminum, with a round plastic swivel washer on top. This style uses interchangeable, reversible blades, but a different type than are used with the steel handles. There is also a molded ESD safe plastic handle available for these blades. I haven't used these so I can't comment on the ergonomics.

Moody sells some kits that come with a wide assortment of blades and a couple different handle types.


Out of these my favorite ergonomics are either the ESD safe Moody molded screwdrivers, or the chrome plated steel screwdrivers. One thing Wiha does which moody doesn't is vary the size of the handle depending on blade size. I'm not sure how much this will matter for precision screwdrivers.
 
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uzapuca

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I don't own any of the smaller Wera screwdrivers so I can't give great feedback on those.

The short answer for the difference between the Wiha and Moody is ergonomics and blade finish.

Most moody screwdrivers use a black finish on the blade tips.

Many on the Wiha screwdrivers use a hard chrome finish on the blades.

I'm not sure what the durability difference will be over time but the chrome might be better if you live by the ocean or have temperature swings or humidity.



The other major difference is the shape, ergonomics, and material the handles/grips are made of.

The older Wiha design which is still in production, has a round central body with a swivel cap and a hex shape towards the area were the blade is inserted. The hex area is were your fingers grip when turning the screwdriver. While it works, and the screwdrivers are high quality I don't really like the hex shape. I don't feel my fingertips really get a proper grip or can't turn the screwdriver as easily. I have shorter squat fingers which might make the ergonomics different from someone with a different hand type. This screwdriver handle type in molded from plastic and available in ESD safe and non-ESD safe plastic.

Wiha also produces a soft grip type of precision screwdriver in regular, and 1000v insulated types. I'm not personally familiar with these, but the ergonomics look slightly different. They still have the hex shape right by the blades, but there is a rounder portion right above it.

Wiha also has there System 4 screwdrivers, that use the same handle style as their precision screwdrivers but with interchangeable 4mm hex blades and bits.



Moody actually produces three different handle types.

The first is a chrome plated turned steel handle with a swivel hex washer on top. These screwdrivers have replaceable, interchangeable blades and are available in sets with a single handle and multiple different blades, or in more expensive sets were each blade type comes with a handle. The diameter of the handles is about the same as USA and English precision screwdrivers like Starrett, Lufkin, or Eclipse. This diameter is larger than the handles on watchmaker screwdrivers like Bergeon.

The second type of Moody handle is a light blue, molded, ESD safe plastic, with a round swivel washer on top. The handle is round from the top to the blade, but there are slight flutes molded into the body for grip. I find this handle style the most ergonomic. This handle style is available as one piece, with the blade molded directly into the handle. There is also a molded handle that has the same type of collet found on the chrome handles mounted in the ESD safe handle so it's possible to use the interchangeable blades with the ESD safe handle. Facom makes a series of ESD safe screwdrivers with similar ergonomics.

The third Moody handle type is turned, knurled, anodized aluminum, with a round plastic swivel washer on top. This style uses interchangeable, reversible blades, but a different type than are used with the steel handles. There is also a molded ESD safe plastic handle available for these blades. I haven't used these so I can't comment on the ergonomics.

Moody sells some kits that come with a wide assortment of blades and a couple different handle types.


Out of these my favorite ergonomics are either the ESD safe Moody molded screwdrivers, or the chrome plated steel screwdrivers. One thing Wiha does which moody doesn't is vary the size of the handle depending on blade size. I'm not sure how much this will matter for precision screwdrivers.


Thanks neophyte for the very interesting extra info comparing both brands ;-)

One of the things you said ...

The older Wiha design which is still in production, has a round central body with a swivel cap and a hex shape towards the area were the blade is inserted. The hex area is were your fingers grip when turning the screwdriver. While it works, and the screwdrivers are high quality I don't really like the hex shape. I don't feel my fingertips really get a proper grip or can't turn the screwdriver as easily.

While Wiha seems to be good quality the point about ergonomics you made kept me thinking. I while ago a bought this small screwdriver from iFixit. I don't which brand is it but the rounded swivel cap is very confortable from my fingers.

https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Tools/Phillips-00-Screwdriver/IF145-006-3

I am not sure how confortable a hex shape cap will work if you need to make some pressure you would usually press your finger to the cap and not put it on the side as Wiha suggest in this photo

http://mcmb2b.com/appleasp/items/26108.jpg


I am not sure now. What do you think about this screwdriver in use?


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Wiha.

I have multiple sets. I have a 10 year old set of these that are my go-to precision screwdrivers:

http://www.amazon.com/Wiha-26199-Slotted-Phillips-Screwdriver/dp/B000NZ5QG0/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hi_5?ie=UTF8&refRID=1N1YD3YHTPF522DSQ060

I keep these interchangeables in my laptop bag. They're awesome.

http://www.amazon.com/Precision-Interchangeable-Blade-Sets-storage/dp/B000NZ5QYW/ref=sr_1_120?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1425191350&sr=1-120&keywords=wiha+interchangeable

I am trying to get complete sets of tools I really use, just ordered this set for the garage:

http://www.amazon.com/Wiha-92191-Precision-Screwdrivers-Storage/dp/B0098RB3SY/ref=sr_1_12?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1425191143&sr=1-12&keywords=wiha+precision+screwdriver+set

I agree with the previous post that the ergonomics aren't great for high torque, but the size of the fasteners we are talking about would get destroyed if we could put any more on them.

I love USA made tools, but the germans have this one down.

The thing I would like to know is if the full size are as great as the small ones? I have used the wera kraftforms in the past and was extremely impressed. I have a set of kleins for electrical and a set of pratt/reid from costco that I keep in the tool box for general mechanic duty.... I would like to get a complete set including torx and nut drivers for the chest... I guess I should start a thread.
 

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Wiha 100%. Years ago I had my own video/camera repair business. I tried pretty much everything that I could get my hands on and always came back to Wiha. I've never had a single one with the shaft off center and the tips hold up really well.

I still have a small collection and use them a couple times a week.
Wiha.jpg

I went with these also and they have bee great so far. Prior to that I used craftsman pros(decent) and greenlee fusion grips (ok) and older Vaco. Orange handles that were and still are great,these were from 20-22 years ago when Klein/vaco made great tipps on their screw drivers.
 

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I see a lot of Wiha recommendations here, and I have bought them in the past but wasn't thrilled with them... Specifically the PicoFinish 260 P 1.5x40mm. Almost immediately the tip twisted with very light torque on the screw. I don't know what material the tips are made from, but they don't seem to be particularly strong. Am I the only one that's had this happen to a Wiha?

I took a picture of this one, and I think the first one I actually threw away because it was so bad after the first use.

IMG_8209.jpg


I'm still looking for a better precision driver, so it's not like I'm a fanboy of some other brand. I still do really like Wiha, just not for very small drivers that require any amount of torque... I do have some drivers with *significantly* stronger tips that I get from optical lab suppliers through work. One thing I don't like about the majority of precision drivers is how unnecessarily long most of them are. These are only maybe 3.5"-4" from tip to tip. The Wiha pictured above with the same size tip is just over 5.25" long.

This is what they look like, and I have found very similar looking ones on eBay and maybe Amazon but I can't say whether they're exactly the same or cheap knock-offs.

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Have anybody bought the precision drivers from McMaster-Carr? I'd like to see what they actually look like. Their catalog is just drawings, I want to see a photo.

EDIT: Also... I found this side by side comparison of some lesser-known names alongside Wiha, I have yet to purchase and test any of them but they look intriguing.

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I picked up the 4 piece Wiha precision set for electronics repair and am really happy with it. The #000 and #00 grip those small screws perfectly. Some junk ebay ones I had before barely even fit in the slots. Also has #0 and #1 for general use.

They have other sized sets as well. I think the 8pc one was missing the #00 so I decided to stick with the simple 4pc. Hex sets exist as well.

I recently found this precision "system 4" set though with interchangeable blades. I live in a small apartment and am always trying to save space. Might have gone with this instead had I seen it first. That kit is just a few bucks more and has #000, #00, #0, #1 just like the other kit, but also adds the slotted 1.5, 2, 3, 4
 
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I'm not a fan of the pico finish. For me the Wiha traditional are the way to go.
 
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