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Re: Structural Engineering: Where does this fail first?

Related thread:

My buddy's landlord told him he was going to "build a shed" on the property:

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Re: Structural Engineering: Where does this fail first?

That is definitely something you don't see every day going down the road.
 
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Re: Structural Engineering: Where does this fail first?

^^^^^^^
2 x builders saw horses [saw stools] would've taken that load.

Cheap to buy as a kitset , and have multiple uses

I needed a very specific height. I suppose I could cut generic saw horses to that height, but then it reduces their usefulness down the road.

If you made me subtract one element, I'd take away the bottom 2x4 and extend the center post to the ground. can we use bolts?

I agree. Originally, I thought it would be sitting on that, but then it seemed to make more sense to have the 'feet' be a single piece, so I put them underneath. The lower also helps in tension keeping the diagonals from spreading out down there. I didn't want to use a drill because I wanted the 8' 2x4s to stay intact for future use. But using 3" screws introduced probably the weakest point of the design.

There goes my machinery theory....

Question now is how did Jack get the playhouse off the trailer?

I got the trailer to the school last night with four large jack stands and started the process of slowly lowering it down -- and then saw that the bases of the jack stands were going to block the wheels so I couldn't just roll the trailer out. Since it was raining, I parked the trailer there and left that part for today. I'll need some beams to support it while the trailer moves out -- I don't like the idea of just rocking the trailer over and sliding the load off.

That is definitely something you don't see every day going down the road.

I drove through a McDonalds on the way to the school and every employee in the place came to the window to see it. Lots of talk about 'Mickey Mouse's House.' Highlight of their day, I think. (I'm still hoping they were using 'Mickey Mouse' in a nice way.)

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As soon as I saw the picture of the car towing the trailer, I knew somebody would say this. That car is way more than capable of towing that trailer.

Fully loaded, I'm still about 1,000 pounds under the BMW's towing capacity. But if I had a friend with a forklift and a 7' wide flatbed, this would have been a quicker project. :)
 

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Re: Structural Engineering: Where does this fail first?

I'd say maybe...4x4 uprights resting directly on the bottom 2x4s...less chance they'll roll.
 

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Re: Structural Engineering: Where does this fail first?

Should have added more cross bracing. From the pictures, it looks like the playhouse got a little twisted out of square.
 
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Re: Structural Engineering: Where does this fail first?

Here's how the support thing broke back down:

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And the rest of the story.

This is the cradle to hold the house so that it could span over the wheels. There are eight lag bolts holding those pieces in from below.

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The most precarious moment -- pulled the trailer out and prayed that there wouldn't be a stiff wind. Those are the HF oversized jack stands at their highest setting. I was ALWAYS ready to step back out of the way. (But still, there's got to be a smarter way to do this.)

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To make a failure less catastrophic, I put in two strong benches and some blocks.

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Slowly, slowly got it lowered down to a set of dollies.

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And here it is installed. I'd never taken apart a chain link fence before. Now I have.

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Re: Structural Engineering: Where does this fail first?

But, I thought the question was "how will it fail", not "will this support?"
Let's load that sucker up and see some failure!
 
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Re: Structural Engineering: Where does this fail first?

Well, it did finally fail when I unscrewed the fasteners.
 

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Re: Structural Engineering: Where does this fail first?

I deal with a lot of BMW owners most would be shocked you installed a hitch on one
 
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Re: Structural Engineering: Where does this fail first?

So what were you jacking with as you lowered it?

A farm jack -- also known as a 'widow maker' -- made by Harbor Freight. I watched the pins very carefully. And always had an exit strategy.

I deal with a lot of BMW owners most would be shocked you installed a hitch on one

The kids love it for camping.

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Re: Structural Engineering: Where does this fail first?

I'd of cribbed it with a jenga style stack of 4x4's or larger... will hold more weight than any equipment could put on it.
 

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Re: Structural Engineering: Where does this fail first?

im no engineer, but your nuts. Id never use that... that just screams big medical bills to me lol
 
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Gasp! PVC pipe. :scared:

Wish I'd put forth more rigging when unloading my battery pack. More on the switch from custom trailer to purchased trailer.
 
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Did you sell the Jeep?
I guess you just wanted to stay dry. :lol_hitti

Wait...you got a camping trailer? Did I miss something?

Ditto... I remember you were thinking of building one at one point.

I still have the Jeep. But it doesn't have a towing hitch. I put one on the BMW for camping, since it has twice the Jeep's horsepower, better brakes, and enough seating for the whole family. So the BMW pulled the little utility trailer with the play house on it.

I was looking into building a teardrop trailer. But the fiberglass one we've rented works better for a family of four -- and I have to admit that renting it once a year and having someone else maintain and store it is a pretty sweet deal. Laziness is winning on this one. So far. :)

Gasp! PVC pipe. :scared:

I could have run compressed air to the little house -- why didn't I think of that? I'm sure it would have been fine. :)
 

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Late to the game but clearly you did fine.

Seeing it in action I don't see any big risk for what you did other than those TALL jack-stands in a playground... I'm glad you got those benches and blocks under it!

Well done Jack!

Seems like it was only a year go you built that thing? Did they outgrow it that fast? Or were the homeless using it? :evil:
 
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Thanks. Yeah, I still keep thinking there was a probably a better way to get the trailer out from underneath the thing. The jack stands are rated for the weight of several of the houses, but still -- there was no way I was going to stand right next to that while the load shifted in any way. Not without something to catch it if it started to fall.

I'm glad it worked.

The kids were still using the playhouse -- but they agreed to share it with their school, which I was impressed by. (Technically, it's a long-term loan. I suspect it will stay at the school, though.) The one downside to its use at home was that we only have a front yard, and the kids can't really safely be left alone in the front yard (it's Los Angeles), so there always had to be an adult nearby when they played in it. This took away the possibility of it being a place where they'd just while away the hours. Still, they did use it. But they still will in its new home, and I'm thinking about making them some monkey bars to climb on next.
 

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Jack,
I missed all of the recent happenings and it makes me a little sad. I have a mechanical engineering degree but don't do much engineering any longer. With the way it was intended to be used that was fine, perhaps a few small changes but I wouldn't have been concerned about using it just as you did. In the end it comes down to the fact that it worked and performed its intended task successfully. Also I love the following quote:
"im no engineer, but your nuts. Id never use that... that just screams big medical bills to me lol "

I've done much more risky jobs like installing my two post lift alone just using a cherry picker.
JB
 

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Jack,
I just finished your thread, and I must say, you're inspirational. I joined here in part because of your garage. A couple of dozen pages ago people were talking about what was so special about the 12 Gauge Garage. I had to think of an answer.

My wife asked what's so interesting about a one car garage and tiny shop in LA? I had to think about that before answering. If I may, I'll paraphrase my answer here. It's no one thing; it's the totality of everything. First is you. You're a modern renaissance man - far from a one trick pony. You write, so arts are covered, you weld and woodwork, so dexterity is there, you engineer and innovate (more examples than I can remember), so you are a thinker, you care for your family, and you're human enough to be relatable (something about a table saw :Twitch: ). You have a vision, and everything turns out so "clean".

You are exceptionally driven. Everything (you show the world) can be made better. Welding listas, refinishing Wiltons, being the fastest man alive (at least at big Willow), playhouses, gates, and movies.

You're like that older cousin with the great hair, hot car and glamorous girlfriend. You seem to possess that je ne sais quois. If we can't be you, we at least want to hang out in your orbit.

Now, I am jealous of your contest wins (especially the Porsche one), but I can't say you haven't earned them. Porsche wanted a real driver, and you have spent a lot of time becoming one.

Do you ever feel pressure from "the internet", or magazines, or family to achieve, is the pressure internal, or do you just "do you" and everything happens to turn out magnificently?
 
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Thank you!

I showed your post to my wife -- who read it -- and then pointed at the user name and rolled her eyes. But flatulence issues or not, I appreciate the nice words.

Lots of stuff I do turns out badly, or average -- I probably run the same gamut as everyone else. I started what I would hope would be a video series on hot-wire cutting styrofoam, for example, and the way I rigged it just didn't work out, so the project dead-ended. But I'm game for new things, and have been very lucky so far with things I try for the first time.
 
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Speaking of new things, here's the garage video I've been working on. It's pretty long (at 10 minutes), but that's still a lot less time than it would take to read this thread.

 

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Very good video Jack!!!:rocker:

I love seeing how organized and clean your garage is. I have got to find/build some cabinets like you have to make my garage more clean and organized.
 

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I like the video. Very nicely done.

In hoping to keep you around to make more posts...
Note: Way too much exposed blade at 2:27 on the table saw. I am not one to use the blade guard, anti kick back + riving knife (as supplied by most manuf.) but I always adjust the blade height to just above the thickness of the material.
 

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I too have shown pics of your setup to my fiance as an example of what I am trying to create in the garage, she also rolls her eyes and doesn't really get it.
But that's fine, you give us inspiration for how a small suburban garage can be as multi functional as possible.
I'll be watching that video when I get home tonight.
 

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Speaking of new things, here's the garage video I've been working on. It's pretty long (at 10 minutes), but that's still a lot less time than it would take to read this thread.

Very good explanatory and nice movie! Just bought chromecast so I get the movie on 42 inch TV :)
 

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I like the video a lot.
It's very interesting to see that even if it's quite small for a workshop, it's full of little details that make it some much more efficient.
I look at a lot of garages on GJ in order to get inspired a.k.a to steal ideas for my shop.
I spend too much time in my shop and I am in a continuous struggle to be more efficient.
Even if I spent a lot of time reading this thread, I have only seen today the fact that you have some sheets of metal on the walls in order to prevent a potential fire caused by sparks from grinding or welding.
Also the detail from the clip about the fact that all the benches sit at the same height, so you can have long stock on two benches in order to make a cut.
Just yesterday I had to struggle to cut some square tubing for my future workbench, so this is truly inspiring.
 

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Great video Jack. There were a few details I must have missed when reading through the thread or maybe just forgot about. Storage under the central table riser is one. Very nice.

The lift, though, is definitely still my favorite. So slick.
 
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