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Site looks great, Jack.

I took the tour and it ended with a blank content section on the "Center Island" page.
The header is there, the title "Center Island" is there. But the content frame is blank.

The links to Pictures and Movies have this text in the browser tab.
Movies <span class="desc">Both Garage and Car Videos</span

I know nothing about HTML but I saw that so I can't help further.


Keep up the great work - and don't let the website distract you from more garage projects!!
 
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Thanks.

Yeah, 'Center Island' page (and beyond) is blank because I haven't written that stuff, yet. But if it works up until then, that's good.

I'll keep going.
 

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Thanks.

Yeah, 'Center Island' page (and beyond) is blank because I haven't written that stuff, yet. But if it works up until then, that's good.

I'll keep going.



LOL I was wondering about that, wasn't sure if you had gotten that far or a computer problem. Very nice so far!
 

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Thanks, guys.

I think the site just disappearing is a little confusing when you click on the car or GJ links. I'm going to change that. The jump to the Pelican Parts site isn't something I want to keep -- it was just laziness on my part to not do a new page for the car. Sooner or later, I'll get that done.

I want to link the garage site to this thread, since I don't want to displace this thread with the website. .


Just make the link to GJ automaticly open in a new window so your site stays in the background. That will make it a little less confusing IMHO
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And why is being taken to another site a bad deal? Jack's site is a personal tribute site, nothing commercial, profit minded or promoting anything. It's just a fun place to go and visit his garage and the extensions of what is supported by the garage.

It's not a bad deal, I just wasn't expecting it - a link to another site is usually noted as such. As Jack has already mentioned that's being changed anyway.
 
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Thanks.

Those parts are fixed. In fact, I think all of the big pieces are in place, now. Still lots to clean up and polish, I'm sure. But the heavy lifting is done.
 

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Looking good Jack. Check your "Jump to" menu in the tour though. The list varies based on the page you are on.
 

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Congrats on the $333! I am guessing you didn't pay that much for it? It's a monster and I'm glad you found a home for it . . .a bit too rich for my blood event though I could have said it was a "Jack Olsen" model.

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Looking good Jack. Check your "Jump to" menu in the tour though. The list varies based on the page you are on.

Thanks. The idea on the "Jump To" items was that they'd be everything except the current page and the ones linked with "Next" and "Prev." But it might be confusing -- and it's possible I didn't include/delete the right ones on every page. I'll take a look at it again.

Congrats on the $333! I am guessing you didn't pay that much for it? It's a monster and I'm glad you found a home for it . . .a bit too rich for my blood event though I could have said it was a "Jack Olsen" model.

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Thanks. I paid less for it. But then I replaced parts, took it down to bare metal and primed and painted it. After all the work and the Ebay and PayPal fees, it's absolutely not any kind of a vocation. (But it proves my point to my wife, of course, and that's what matters. :) )

And Pointbock, I'm equal parts Norwegian and Swedish -- my father was half and half, so I'm one quarter of each.
 
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Well, that vise money didn't stick around long.

Got a pretty big junior-sized Hossfeld. The #1.

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And a Hole Dawg.

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Both need some clean-up. But now I've got some new tricks I can do in the shop.
 
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Hey Jack, Looks like you made out OK on the Wilton and the new website is sweet!:thumbup: Just curious...What do you plan to do with that hole-hawg?Being in the HVAC field for years ,I have many scary stories involving that powerful, nasty tool along with big self-feed bits!
 

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Hi Jack, congratulation with your new website. It nice to have the story all in one place. Only think I miss is a 'Projects' page on the site showing some of your featured projects that would be great. By the way I have a distant cousin of your car so I can imagine that you lift is just the thing :)

My thread:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101182
 
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Hey Jack, Looks like you made out OK on the Wilton and the new website is sweet!:thumbup: Just curious...What do you plan to do with that hole-hawg?Being in the HVAC field for years ,I have many scary stories involving that powerful, nasty tool along with big self-feed bits!

I don't have specific plans for the Hole Hawg, other than that I now have something more like right-angle capability. After your post, I did a Google search for "Hole Hawg" and Injury, and you're right. These things are dangerous. I was going to add a threaded pipe handle, but I'm trying to figure out if a longer one would make more or less sense -- either it gives the operator more leverage or it gives the drill a bigger pipe to clobber the owner with. :wtf:

Hi Jack, congratulation with your new website. It nice to have the story all in one place. Only think I miss is a 'Projects' page on the site showing some of your featured projects that would be great. By the way I have a distant cousin of your car so I can imagine that you lift is just the thing :)

My thread:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101182

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Beautiful! Same family, pretty much. But with an Italian designer (and also an American involved, I read somewhere) putting their own spin on it. That Porsche guy (and his descendants) really left a one-of-a-kind mark on the world.

A projects page is a good idea -- even if it only included links to the specific parts of this thread where the discussions took place.
 

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In regards to the hole hawg.....It comes with an 12" x 3/4" pipe handle.We used to routinely replace that with a 3ft pc of pipe if you were out in space....the thing is a beast and has to be respected!Sharp, sharp bits and the proper speed if you have the 2 speed model are a must!!!
 

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Thanks. Mine is the 300/1200 two-speed, but I don't think it's the monster version -- it's only 7.5 amps.

All the "hole hawgs" are 7.5 amps .... it's not the amps...it's the gear reduction and the lack of a clutch.The newer "super hawg" is 13 amps but has a clutch for safety.:thumbup:
 
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This looks like something Jack Olsen would build for his car:
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And I wonder if the rest of Jack's house is as well designed as his garage. This video made me think of it:
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Thanks. I like that furniture in the video. But the rest of my house is nothing like the garage. Someone else is in charge of that area -- and by that, I don't only mean a wife, but also two kids under four. So the garage is a small sanctuary in an otherwise pretty-chaotic place.

I like the sunken Porsche gif. It reminds me of this, which someone sent me a link to. It's a tweaked gif from my lift video. I don't know who did it or why (or how), but...

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Thanks for asking, Conor.

I haven't done anything new for the garage itself. Inside it, I was working today on a little box that will slide into the holder for my radar detector when I'm at the track. It's very simple, just a bright red LED bulb array and a bright green one right next to it. The red light will come on when I brake and the green will come on when I use the accelerator. In the in-car videos I make at the track, I'll be able to see exactly when I'm on the gas and on the brake.

No box yet, in the pictures:

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Green means go:

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The other thing I've been working on is something for the little piece of yard I have adjacent to my garage. It's garage size -- right about 20x20 -- and it's enclosed, with walls on three sides and a fence on the fourth. I've wanted to put a deck in the space with a kind of pergola thing on top of it for shade. The deck part is pretty straightforward. It looks like I'm going to bite the bullet and use one of those Brazilian hardwoods for the decking (who can argue with 30 years without maintenance?).

But then the structure of the pergola itself has been an interesting issue. There's no 'view' at all from this area, so I thought the pergola should be made so that it provides some shade and also is kind of interesting to look at.

Most pergolas have to deal with snow load, so they tend to be overbuilt. They are also usually flat, since they're made of wood. My concern is that a flat roof would take the one open side (the top) of my back yard and turn it into its own kind of wall. It would feel like a huge weight sitting right above where you're supposed to be relaxing.

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I found this picture of a walkway in Central Park a while back. It's got a flat top, too -- but it's a little less oppressive feeling. More open.

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And the arches that it does have supporting its roof got me looking for other pergola treatments where there was something to draw your eye up...

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But even those examples are a little too utilitarian looking to me. I don't know if that makes sense, but the structure looks more like engineering and less like art or architecture. I don't have a better word than utilitarian.

So I thought about it a little, trying to come up with a type of architecture I could do with steel that might be a little (I don't know) prettier? This one kind of points to it.

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But it still has elements in it that are a little bit like something from the Industrial Revolution. So I started thinking about earlier architecture -- and this visual idea hit me.

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The Gothic arches in cathedrals are very simple -- actually pretty utilitarian -- but the ribbed vault look of a cathedral is also not a visual design that's ever been done to death in steel. They didn't have steel for architecture back then. So my thinking for the pergola is to create a ceiling with a shape more like a cathedral. It'll be strong, but also kind of elegant looking. Pretty.

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But as the drawing above indicates, it's still something I can work out mathematically enough so that it's viable with a simple roll bender. I just work out the radius I want and bend some square tubing to that curve. No complex curves.

Here are a couple more examples I found.

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Just imagine shade fabric of some sort in place of the plaster work between those structural 'ribs.'

The nice thing is that I'm not supporting an actual structure and steel is a lot stronger than stone -- so no weird buttresses going into the neighbors' yards. :)

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Very different from my garage. But also a similar challenge.

And I'm sure I'll be making up a lot of it as I go along. :willy_nil
 

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Great, Jack, now you're doing pergolas. One more project I was GOING to get to, but once you post pics of yours I probably won't bother.

It's futile. You'll have someone from "Avid Gardner" or "Backyard Oasis" magazine calling and pretty soon you'll have won a $1500 cash prize and an honorary PhD from Pepperdine for your design/envirofriendly use of recycled steel from old Lista cabinets. :lol: Then Lista will call, and you'll have a new set of cabinets in your garage in a custom matching green.

I'm still just trying to get my shop cleaned up!

(PS picked up a trailer hitch at Goodwill and gonna give the old removable vise idea a try! Thanks Jack!)

All kidding aside the steel/cathedral design is very very cool . . .can't wait to see where you take it.
 

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But even those examples are a little too utilitarian looking to me. I don't know if that makes sense, but the structure looks more like engineering and less like art or architecture. I don't have a better word than utilitarian.

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Humm, California, palm trees I see this in the design LOL..

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._469258364446_673449446_6387727_2866931_n.jpg

I would keep the four wood post, integrate the fence design in both sides.

tie both sides and use the leaves design to tie up the top together Put that greenish fabric to fill in the leaf part

Sorry dont know how to post the pics

And I like that fabric idea, I think I,ll use it here to fill in the leafs.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._484946619446_673449446_6797963_7407600_n.jpg
 
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Jack, I think you already have the inspiration on your design for the driveway shed. IOW, asymmetrical. Using the basic vaulted arch, flattened a bit, and shifted off center. I think that would add some contemporary flair to the classic feel of the design.

Look at this:

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They must have seen your shed before they built their bridge.
 

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your garage is soo nice I want to throw up...in a good way of course. all respect, love the colors, love the style. I have HON and Steelcase cabinets in my lil garage, when they grow up they want to be StrongHolds.
 

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Jack, could you have two kinds of green lights for go? One for "on the gas" and one for "full throttle"? Does the modern engine have microswitches on the throttle body?
 

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Okay, now I've had time to read about the yard project...

People, can't you see where this is headed? He's angling for tax-exempt status! It's a chapel!

BROTHERS AND SISTERS-uh! Won't you please send a do-NATION-uh to the Reverend Olsen of the 12 Gauge Church of the Screaming Black Beauty-uh?!

Your prayer offering will be bundled with others and invested in the Hoosier Racing Tire Company of Lakeville, Indiana-uh! God bless...

Now please stand clear of the altar while I press this green button and raise the holy speed vessel closer to the heavens...
 

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Okay, now I've had time to read about the yard project...

People, can't you see where this is headed? He's angling for tax-exempt status! It's a chapel!

BROTHERS AND SISTERS-uh! Won't you please send a do-NATION-uh to the Reverend Olsen of the 12 Gauge Church of the Screaming Black Beauty-uh?!

Your prayer offering will be bundled with others and invested in the Hoosier Racing Tire Company of Lakeville, Indiana-uh! God bless...

Now please stand clear of the altar while I press this green button and raise the holy speed vessel closer to the heavens...

That would be one way for wives to get their husbands to church! I'd go!!!
 

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Well, I just joined the GJ (stumbled on to it by accident...) and remember several years ago reading about this hot shot LA writer and his garage in a woodworking/garage makeover magazine. I hated him then but now...:D

Truthfully, as a 'Pelicanhead', I recall I wanted to see more about his 911 than the interior workings of a garage...but 50+ pages later into this thread (thanks, I had nothing better to do on a Sunday) I'm simply in awe of all the metal and stuff.

As I just had a 20x24 garage built by a contractor, and I'm finishing everything else inside, it's a story like this one that gives you all the inspiration you need to go forth, spend some savings and truly make your car and or woodworking shop the best it can be. (In my case, the latter will be the case - lots of wood to cut, shape and create. But it will have room for an old 964 or SC soon enough...:rocker:)

Anyway, from the new guy here, thanks for sharing. Time to subscribe...:beer2:
 

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I really like the idea for using a shade fabric over the cathedral style ribs, and I don't think I've seen anything done quite like that. You have the mad skills to do it, so I'm looking forward to see how it ends up.
 

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The challenge you're going to have is proportions. A lot of the lightness of the cathedrals comes from the width-to-height ratios. That would mean very tall arches & a very high ceiling overall.

You can bring things down a bit by combining some flat covering around the edge with a "tower"-like opening in the middle. That would entice people to walk in the space and "explore" the views in the middle. Very Frank Lloyd Wright-ish.

FYI There are ways to make pergola-like structures more interesting by combining organic & Architectural elements. This space is approximately 20x20x11 (forgive the construction mess):

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You might also consider adapting some Greene & Greene style cues to a more 21st century aesthetic. Imagine something like this with more Steel elements:

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Just some ideas...
 
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Actually thinking about it more you might consider mounting a number of overlapping fabric triangles attached at different angles to a steel truss structure rising in the center. That could easily produce a cathedral-like feeling with interesting Architectural details while still letting in plenty of light and yet keeping it cozy.

We have a couple of these in our courtyard:

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Great, Jack, now you're doing pergolas. One more project I was GOING to get to, but once you post pics of yours I probably won't bother.

It's futile. You'll have someone from "Avid Gardner" or "Backyard Oasis" magazine calling and pretty soon you'll have won a $1500 cash prize and an honorary PhD from Pepperdine for your design/envirofriendly use of recycled steel from old Lista cabinets. :lol: Then Lista will call, and you'll have a new set of cabinets in your garage in a custom matching green.

I'm still just trying to get my shop cleaned up!

(PS picked up a trailer hitch at Goodwill and gonna give the old removable vise idea a try! Thanks Jack!)

All kidding aside the steel/cathedral design is very very cool . . .can't wait to see where you take it.
Thanks. I think the end result is liable to be too peculiar for any magazine. But it will be interesting to see how it evolves -- especially between now and the date (hopefully still in 2012) when I actually get started on it.

hallo Jack,

if you are looking fore some inspiration for a Pergola, maybe this Site will be interessting for you.
http://www.unopiu.com/structures-pergolas-and-gazebos/1068/102/

I build mine from Glued Laminated Timber and it worked well for me.
Glued Laminated Timber is more stabel than grown more stabel, means less diameter.

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That's a cool site. They have some very nice products -- mostly out of my budget, but inspiring.

Humm, California, palm trees I see this in the design LOL..

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._469258364446_673449446_6387727_2866931_n.jpg

I would keep the four wood post, integrate the fence design in both sides.

tie both sides and use the leaves design to tie up the top together Put that greenish fabric to fill in the leaf part

Sorry dont know how to post the pics

And I like that fabric idea, I think I,ll use it here to fill in the leafs.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._484946619446_673449446_6797963_7407600_n.jpg

Wow. That's a really cool design. It's the gothic arch, but the effect is like Art Deco. Lots of cuts, too.

Jack, I think you already have the inspiration on your design for the driveway shed. IOW, asymmetrical. Using the basic vaulted arch, flattened a bit, and shifted off center. I think that would add some contemporary flair to the classic feel of the design.

Look at this:

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They must have seen your shed before they built their bridge.

My off-center barrel arch still bugs me (although that bridge is kind of cool). I sometimes think about cutting one end off to make it symmetrical, even thought it would mean losing some storage space.

I've always had a hard time staying consistent with styles. I get wrapped up in a single project and find what I like the most for it -- sometimes even when it's wildly out of step with whatever is around it. I guess the good news with this thing is that it's not visible from anywhere on the property -- so it will be hard to see how out-of-step it is with the Spanish house, near the 1960s industrial-ish garage.

your garage is soo nice I want to throw up...in a good way of course. all respect, love the colors, love the style. I have HON and Steelcase cabinets in my lil garage, when they grow up they want to be StrongHolds.

Thank you!

Jack, could you have two kinds of green lights for go? One for "on the gas" and one for "full throttle"? Does the modern engine have microswitches on the throttle body?

That was what I had originally set up -- but it was wired into the data logger. So I'm able to see various states of on-throttle in the data. But what it showed me is that I'm pretty much either off the gas or flat on it. The motor just doesn't have enough grunt for that to play a role in my driving. The problem was, the data feed was 0-5V, which didn't work at all with an LED bulb (not dimmable, not 5V). So now I'm going to put in a simple reed-type switch and run 12V through it to a much brighter light.

Okay, now I've had time to read about the yard project...

People, can't you see where this is headed? He's angling for tax-exempt status! It's a chapel!

BROTHERS AND SISTERS-uh! Won't you please send a do-NATION-uh to the Reverend Olsen of the 12 Gauge Church of the Screaming Black Beauty-uh?!

Your prayer offering will be bundled with others and invested in the Hoosier Racing Tire Company of Lakeville, Indiana-uh! God bless...

Now please stand clear of the altar while I press this green button and raise the holy speed vessel closer to the heavens...
Ha! My accountant would throttle me -- she's already seen me try a lot of tomfoolery with garage deductions. No dice.

And I actually have thought about hydraulics -- although it's crazy. There's a storm drain line running under where I'm planning to build this that's always giving me problems. I know that eventually I'll have to tear it out. So one thought was to have the deck lift up. Well, that's just dumb. But it was a thought I had. There might be a removable section, though. And I'm thinking about whether it would work to have a gas-powered emergency generator down underneath the deck, maybe with some kind of trap door.
 
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Well, I just joined the GJ (stumbled on to it by accident...) and remember several years ago reading about this hot shot LA writer and his garage in a woodworking/garage makeover magazine. I hated him then but now...:D

Truthfully, as a 'Pelicanhead', I recall I wanted to see more about his 911 than the interior workings of a garage...but 50+ pages later into this thread (thanks, I had nothing better to do on a Sunday) I'm simply in awe of all the metal and stuff.

As I just had a 20x24 garage built by a contractor, and I'm finishing everything else inside, it's a story like this one that gives you all the inspiration you need to go forth, spend some savings and truly make your car and or woodworking shop the best it can be. (In my case, the latter will be the case - lots of wood to cut, shape and create. But it will have room for an old 964 or SC soon enough...:rocker:)

Anyway, from the new guy here, thanks for sharing. Time to subscribe...:beer2:
Thanks! And congratulations on the new garage. I'll say this: I wasted years with the garage only being a repository for boxes of useless storage and tools I could never find. It took a fair amount of work to get it to where it is now, but I enjoy doing stuff out there just about every day (even if it's just putting batteries in some toy for the kid). I think a garage should always serve other projects, and not just be a project in itself. But getting it into the shape you want can save you a lot of misery down the road -- if only it's for not spending too much time searching for that socket you've lost in the mess.

I really like the idea for using a shade fabric over the cathedral style ribs, and I don't think I've seen anything done quite like that. You have the mad skills to do it, so I'm looking forward to see how it ends up.

I've been very happy with the stuff in this cover I made for my front patio. It's not very pretty -- and it's another lopsided barrel arch, now that I think about it. But you really don't see it at all from underneath.

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I'll have to work out the best way to attach the fabric to the steel. The method I used on the patio was to spray-paint dozens of little binder clips (like would hold together a legal report) and just have massive redundancy in holding it in place. The idea was that if the wind got too strong, the cover could blow off without tearing. In practice, it's held up to 80-mph winds with no issue and has never needed any maintenance. But the edge that wraps around was just scissors-cut and isn't very clean looking. In this application, that's not so much of an issue since the shade fabric and the steel are the same color. But I'd love to figure out a way to attach the fabric to my cathedral ribs in a way that's invisible...

The challenge you're going to have is proportions. A lot of the lightness of the cathedrals comes from the width-to-height ratios. That would mean very tall arches & a very high ceiling overall.

You can bring things down a bit by combining some flat covering around the edge with a "tower"-like opening in the middle. That would entice people to walk in the space and "explore" the views in the middle. Very Frank Lloyd Wright-ish.

FYI There are ways to make pergola-like structures more interesting by combining organic & Architectural elements. This space is approximately 20x20x11 (forgive the construction mess):

p1041291549-3.jpg


You might also consider adapting some Greene & Greene style cues to a more 21st century aesthetic. Imagine something like this with more Steel elements:

Vertikoff-2071031-075.jpg


Just some ideas...

That first image looks great. The odd thing about my structure is that there will be no view of it from outside of it -- the price of a tiny lot and no setbacks. So a lot of the visual challenge is just how you dress up the walls -- and what goes up...

In my application, I think I can easily get away with 30' of vertical height. It still won't be visible from anywhere on the property because of the way the garage and the house **** up against it. I had a pair of palm trees back there that I recently took down. They were only really visible when you were standing in the back yard, and they were much taller than this thing could ever be.

Actually thinking about it more you might consider mounting a number of overlapping fabric triangles attached at different angles to a steel truss structure rising in the center. That could easily produce a cathedral-like feeling with interesting Architectural details while still letting in plenty of light and yet keeping it cozy.

We have a couple of these in our courtyard:

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I sewed the fabric for my patio cover -- and it taught me that I need to minimize the amount of sewing I do. :) If I can do perpendicular ribs and those cross-pieces in between, like this --

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-- but without any of the side windows, I think I could massage it so it's effectively a single surface on either side. For simplicity's sake, that would be great. Different panels scare me -- especially the prospect of having to re-do them sometime down the road.

I'd also like to have at least a portion of the roof provide shelter from the rain. I'm not sure what I could get away with, on that front. Lots of glass/Lexan panes seems like a huge amount of work and expense. I've thought about those (ugly) clear corrugated plastic panels, but don't know if the shade fabric would make them invisible enough. I guess I could buy one and set it above the patio cover for an idea.
 

Tomas95

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Thanks! And congratulations on the new garage. I'll say this: I wasted years with the garage only being a repository for boxes of useless storage and tools I could never find. It took a fair amount of work to get it to where it is now, but I enjoy doing stuff out there just about every day (even if it's just putting batteries in some toy for the kid). I think a garage should always serve other projects, and not just be a project in itself. But getting it into the shape you want can save you a lot of misery down the road -- if only it's for not spending too much time searching for that socket you've lost in the mess.

Oh, totally agree. My first was built just after the house (in 1918!) and was a shell compared to what I plan on now, but in every way, I loved that space more than the home some days for all that it gave me back.

My daughter was only 7 when I built her a personal three-step ladder so she could join me up high at the workbench. I mean, really - the memories of that and her first project with a nail gun (bird house kit...she is an awesome kid) plus all the other things we do...well, enough said.
 

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