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Between 265 & 485 SQ/FT The 12-Gauge Garage

Workspaces sized between 265 and 485 squarefeet.

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You really do have a nice setup. It's nice to see what you can do with a 2 car garage. I have a 20x21 and the wife requires that she can still park in it. It's going to be many years until I can add on. I've been getting a lot of ideas from yours. Thanks for posting.
 
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Jack, here is a way to make the polycarbonate less obvious:

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From a very old thread: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-...iving-thread-why-my-911-has-sat-2-months.html

However, that's not a cathedral nor does it use any steel.

That looks great! The more I read about the polycarbonate, the more I like it -- so long as I can find a way to make it essentially invisible, like you did.

Oh, totally agree. My first was built just after the house (in 1918!) and was a shell compared to what I plan on now, but in every way, I loved that space more than the home some days for all that it gave me back.

My daughter was only 7 when I built her a personal three-step ladder so she could join me up high at the workbench. I mean, really - the memories of that and her first project with a nail gun (bird house kit...she is an awesome kid) plus all the other things we do...well, enough said.

The picture says it all. :thumbup:

You really do have a nice setup. It's nice to see what you can do with a 2 car garage. I have a 20x21 and the wife requires that she can still park in it. It's going to be many years until I can add on. I've been getting a lot of ideas from yours. Thanks for posting.
Thanks! I've been following the mini dozer build and I'm VERY impressed. I've thought about doing something similar -- just not sure would be viable in a city environment. That thing you're making is awesome.
 
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Thanks very much for that. But my garage was already included in the two previous editions.

You've come to the right place for a 'Dream Garages and Shops' publication. Look around in this Gallery section, and also in the new (very concise) Garge Gallery Index, which is located here:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=151197

And if anyone who reads this post wants to make a specific suggestion for a garage or shop, they can feel free to post it here or to PM WOODmagazine by using the username link in the previous post.

Again, thanks -- and welcome to the Garage Journal!
 

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I'm a newbie here, but I just wanted to drop you a line and let you know what a beautiful space you've crafted. My wife and I just bought our first house and I inherited what I initially thought was a hideous green garage. Here's a picture:


Garage by RStutzman, on Flickr

As you can see, it's not quite Jack Olsen green. However, after reading this thread I'm beginning to think that maybe it's not that bad after all. :D
 

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Jack can you show more of the first cabinet to the right. I am trying to build something similar that I can store items that I want locked up. The one by the drawing table.
 
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RStutzman, that's a pretty cool looking space. Like Dan says, you might want to re-paint some or all of it, and you should use whatever color you like for it. As it happens, I'm not a big fan of green, and my original idea for my garage had equal parts of four different colors. Fortunately for me, my wife kept nudging me toward a simpler solution -- so the fire-engine-red wall got re-painted a tan/beige within hours of driving. I actually don't have any green walls in my garage, only green cabinets. But there are a lot of cabinets.

ocejo, your're talking about the double-hinged cabinet to the right of the main door?

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The trick with it was that I didn't want to have to move the table too far from the cabinet -- and also wanted to be able to get the stepladder it holds in and out easily.

So I cut the door into two pieces and added a second set of hinges to that junction. The hinges that hold up the two-piece door are adjustable kitchen-cabinet-type hinges. The hinges in the middle of the door are ordinary two-leaf hinges.

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I never got around to painting the inside:

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The trick with making it a locking cabinet is finding a way to fasten the joint so that pulling on the door doesn't use up whatever play there is in the lock/hasp and let someone get a hand inside. I guess you could have the locking point be the vertical joint in the door -- the way it's hinged the rest of the door can not swing out, only in. If there was a way to fasten it at both the top and bottom, the vertical joint would be the best place to do it.

This isn't a great illustration of it, but if you look all the way to the right side of the right-most door in this picture, you can see the way Strong Hold uses a turning lever and two rods to lock the door top and bottom when you turn the handle.

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Something like that could be applied to the wooden cabinet.

Oh, and the cabinet's construction is very simple. It's just a sheet of 3/4" plywood cut into pieces for the top, bottom, sides and face. I used L-shaped brackets and construction adhesive to hold everything together. It's also fastened to the wall, which makes it more rigid.
 

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Jack,
My name is Hayley with Meredith Corp./WOOD Magazine. I was unable to locate an email address, so I'm writing to you here. You seem like the perfect candidate for a project I am working on:
After two successful publications of Great Garage Makeovers, the editors at Meredith Corp./WOOD Magazine are working on a Fall 2012 publication titled Dream Garages and Shops.


This is hilarious. Apparently Hayley has never opened up the prior two editions.:lol_hitti
 

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yes that's the one Jack. I plan to build a cabinet to store my pressure washer and some valuable tools. It'll also help with organizing some of the garage.

perfect idea for what my needs...
 

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Jack-

Awesome! I like the new site for your garage. It was great to watch you get your new lap record at WS. Thanks for sharing all of this - what an inspiration!
 

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Jack, I just wanted to say that I really like your new website.
My garage looks like a junkyard at the moment, so I needed some inspiration to start all over again. Thanks!
 

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I cleaned, buffed, stripped, primed and painted the vises today. The one I'm keeping got painted the same Anodized Bronze color as my other vises.

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I went to the local hardware store to get some Verde Green for the other one, which they were out of. So I looked over the greens they had and saw Spruce Green in Rustoleum's satin finish. Both the color and the finish seemed kind of retro to me, so I changed the plan. My only concern was that this green probably wouldn't look good in pictures next to the green in my garage. Not a big deal, since I'm selling it. But this is what's funny, to me: I really believed I'd picked out a very different green.

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I'm going to have to weld up three of the holes in the inch-thick bench and re-drill for the new vise. But I found some steel bar stock from some old shelves that will fill it pretty well. Then I'll just weld it in, and grind it flat.

I sourced some new pipe jaws, so now both vises have them.

As you can see, I have some kind of in-born inclination for that shade of green. It's a pretty close match to the rest of the green in the garage. :)

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Hi Jack,

I wanted to congratulate you on a terrific garage! It really turned out well, one of the best, if not the best on the site. I really like the modest budget and sweat equity aspects the most. I think your son is going to have very fond memories with you while working together in there. :)

I do have a question with regard to that little Wilton above. Did I read it correctly that it is/was Rustoleum Spruce Green satin finish? I just picked up a 4 1/2 Columbian and I'm not sure of the original color but the Spruce green would look good IMO.

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Thanks, guys. The web site has averaged 248 unique visitors a day since I launched it, which means a fair amount of people are getting something out of it. The fact that about 9% of the visitors spend over an hour at the site is something I can't get my head around -- maybe they fall asleep? :)

kaid, yes that's Rustoleum Spruce Green Satin Enamel. The light is a little on the yellow side in the garage.

Here's an official color sample of it, for reference. Although even the official sample looks darker than the vise came out.

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Jack, when I'm ordering my retro green paint here in The Netherlands, the guy at the paint desk asks me: Ow, you mean the Olsen Green?

And when those men from finally will arrive from Mars, I'm pretty sure most of your fans like the colour of their skin.

:)
 
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For comparison, here's the 'official green' of my garage:

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(It doesn't really look right on a computer screen, either.)
 

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This is great. I've got a similar sized space, although I do have to park two cars in it, but you've given me some great ideas on how to make use of limited space. Thanks for the inspiration.
 

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Just stumbled upon this site. Fantastic info in general. This was my first read, and all I can say is "WOW!" Truly inspiring in so many ways.

The color reminds me of the first ship I worked on. Had Sulzer RTA84 engines and everything was painted "Sulzer Green". That green you use on your walls looks almost identical.

Congratulations on building a garage worthy of many accolades, and I hope you continue to glean a bounty of enjoyment from it.
 

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The web site has averaged 248 unique visitors a day since I launched it, which means a fair amount of people are getting something out of it. The fact that about 9% of the visitors spend over an hour at the site is something I can't get my head around -- maybe they fall asleep? :).


Jack:

Proud to one of those 248! And anything less than an hour visiting would have been too hasty! As a condensed version of this thread, it sure is handy and detailed! :thumbup:

Really enjoyed watching your runs at the track, and especially seeing your new record-breaking run -- right prior to all that traffic!

Enjoy all those hits; you have ingeniously earned each and every one of 'em! :bowdown:

-Marty
 

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Jack:

Proud to one of those 248! And anything less than an hour visiting would have been too hasty! As a condensed version of this thread, it sure is handy and detailed! :thumbup:

Really enjoyed watching your runs at the track, and especially seeing your new record-breaking run -- right prior to all that traffic!

Enjoy all those hits; you have ingeniously earned each and every one of 'em! :bowdown:

-Marty
I think it's pretty obvious why people spend so long (and I've spent 5 minutes so far...) It's the logical and simple way it's laid out. A small amount of information, that doesn't take you all day to read, then click next.

I think I know what I'm doing for the next hour... at least. :)
 
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Jack,
Very nice website! Who are you using for your hosting? My site just went dark(Microsoft small business shutdown) and was looking for something simple yet classy like yours. Did you use word press as well?
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Thank you, guys.

kald, I made the site with RapidWeaver, which is a Mac program. I found a template for the site itself, which I paid $35 for. It probably wasn't necessary, but I had never done a web site before and thought it might make things easier.

In retrospect, it was a lot of work and there are parts that I would like to improve on. But I'm going to have to find time for that down the line.

I cleaned the place up again the other day, and then last night had a few minutes (between the two kids' bedtimes) where I re-shot the video of the lift going up and down. I'd realized that the still camera I got my wife for Mother's Day also shot video -- much better than the crummy little camera I'd used for the lift clip before.

So here's the 2001: A Space Odyssey music and my lift going up and down (with me hiding behind a bench and holding a pair of leads together). Educational value? Nil. Technical value? Nil. But as a reminder of how good it felt to finally finish that project -- and be able to raise my car up for any kind of work after 30 years of lying on my back -- well, it still brings a smile to my face. :)

Here's the link. It works up to 720p:

Updated Lift Video

 

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I like the double speed Willow Springs video that was a suggested video on the right side of the screen...your car sounds like a chainsaw. :)
 

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Thanks for the info about your site Jack. I think it turned out very well.

Nice video as well.
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Thanks.

Every day I try to at least take a quick 'coffee break' to do some small project on the car. A couple days back, it was to fix the passenger side rear-view mirror, which was getting pushed out of adjustment by the wind at the track (the wind that comes from going 130 mph). I just needed to tighten the little nut inside of it, but that meant taking off the door panel and doing some wrist and elbow contortions to get to the nuts that hold it in place.

Some jobs feel like they're going to be hard, but then turn out easy. I was in and out and battened back down in less than half an hour. One thing that made it quicker was being able to raise the car up and open the door all the way. Thank you, Mr. Lift.

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However...

Yesterday was the easy job that turned into a headache. Drain the old gear oil and replace with new. Simple, right? I use a drill pump for this, and yesterday nothing was working right -- from the pump itself cavitating with air to the vacuum pinching the intake tube shut -- I had to switch to another pump I had, and in doing so knocked over the tub of gear oil (quickly, I got it right back up) and then also having the pump shoot smelly gear oil everywhere.

With my old concrete floor, even after I cleaned it up I would have had weeks of smelling that gear oil while it slowly evaporated from the porous floor. But with the tiles, I just wiped it up with some paper towels. I should hit it with some all-purpose cleaner to get all of it out of the grout, but the nice thing about dark brown grout is that it's hard to get it to look like anything other than dark brown. Here it is still wet with some of the gear oil:

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No smell of gear oil at all. Although, since my 35-year-old magnesium transaxle has a pretty steady slow leak, I'll have to keep wiping it up about once a week.

The good news is, that drip will never leave a mark.
 

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Put some kind of drip mat under there for the gear oil. Cardboard works and you can throw it away once a week. Make a simple wooden frame and it will not look bad either.
 

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Nice garage! Thanks for sharing. I noticed your 1940's era wall phone. It looks exactly like the one I got in my shop, however it is going to be replaced with a 40's era payphone I recently picked up. Also sorry if I missed it in the thread but what brand is your lift?
 
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Thanks.

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The 'lift' is actually a hydraulic lift table. It's made by Vestil in Indiana. It works well for my application, but I don't think it would be the right idea for most cars.

Here are its drawbacks:

1) The capacity of this one is only 3K, which limits the cars I can lift on it to... my race car.
2) The top is flat, like a table, which limits the cars I can lift on it to... my race car.
3) I'm using a tool for something that is not exactly what it was designed for, which is (generally speaking) a bad idea. If anybody asks me for a recommendation for a lift, I'll recommend a conventional one.
4) Purchased new, they cost more than an automotive lift.

Still. Here are the good things about it:

1) The same lift is rated up to something like 7000 pounds with a second hydraulic cylinder, and the ratings for a table like this are based on a much more challenging duty cycle than you'd see used for conventional lifts. Also unlike a conventional lift, a table like this would be expected to take a lot of lateral hits from forklifts in normal use.
2) Along those lines, this thing is American-made an built like a tank.
3) It has safety features you won't find on conventional lifts -- if it touches anything as it lowers, it immediately stops. It also has two separate ways to prevent an uncontrolled descent if the system loses hydraulic pressure.
4) It takes up no space at all in my garage.
5) I got it for $455. And with the costs of concrete, tile and various tool rentals included, my complete cost was only $670.

Here's a BendPak lift:

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It's made of 3/8" thick square tubing. I think it's welded in China. But it's a solid, well-regarded lift.

And here are some details from mine:

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The arms of the scissor are 3/4" thick, reinforced with sections of 1" thick steel, welded in the USA to AWS standards.

Unlike two-post lifts, which require an attachment to the concrete with the concrete functioning as a structural member, this lift has a very stable footprint. Still, I put it on 8" of reinforced concrete and bolted it down to the concrete.

Early on, I wanted to know about how my car would balance on it. So with the help of some people who know a lot more than me (and also with some practical testing), I worked out the actual balancing point of my car (with half a tank of gas), and it was right between the 'P' and 'O' on the door's side decal:

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Here's an illustration of the shift in balance with weight removed from either end:

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It's nice to have access to the underside of the car. Brake and tire work are a lot easier. I've done two engine drops so far.

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And unlike a two-post lift, it's not eating up any of my floor space. This is important, since I use the parking half of the garage for work. There are two benches that swing down from the wall.

Here it is up:

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Here it is down:

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As you can see, it was a challenge to reconcile my wavy, 1925 concrete pad with a 48" square level surface. But it's pretty inconspicuous when you see it in person.
 
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Put some kind of drip mat under there for the gear oil. Cardboard works and you can throw it away once a week. Make a simple wooden frame and it will not look bad either.

What are you talking about? Too simple! :bounce:

This is Garagejournal! Somebody needs to build a Roomba that chases oil and antifreeze spills. Sell it to the English & Italian car buffs. (And people with oil-cooled cars with dry sumps and lines running hither and yon.)


P.S. I've got the big drip pan from WMt. It's pretty neat. Easy to clean up with a paper towel or two once in a while. If I lean it against the wall while I use that section of floor for working on a car, I need to remember to put paper towels at the bottom edge, because the Mobil 1 finds its way down very effectively.
 

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Jack, Your garage is truly an inspiration and has provided me with so many goals and ideas. Thank you for providing so much detail and sharing your work. I recently got my hands on some lyons cabinets. Similar in dimension to your strongholds but considerably less substantial. I really like the way you've hung your parts bins from the doors and would like to do the same. I've provisioned a hundred of the little buggers from harbor freight but am not happy with the mounting strip provided. In your picture it looks like you came up with a better solution. Is it slatpanel of some sort? Did you have to make any changes to accommodate the little slots on the bins? The other cabinet with the red Ikea bins appears to have some other kind of mounting strips. Thanks again for chronicling your garage - I really enjoy your posts.
 
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Thanks, samsquamch. The Lyon cabinets are pretty great. This cabinet in my shop is a Lyon:

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At least with mine, it's very similar to the Strong Holds -- but made with 14 ga steel instead of 12 ga. That's still overkill, in my book. And I mean that in a good way. :)

The Strong Hold cabinet that I have the bins on was made that way by Strong Hold. It has parallel flat pieces welded into the door itself. There's maybe half an inch of space behind them and each horizontal strip is 3-5/8" wide, with a 3/8" gap between each one. This is a little more space than the HF bins actually need, but it works. The steel is 12 gauge. I don't think it would be too difficult to do this to a Lyon bench, even if you don't weld. You could get some 12 ga or 14 ga strips and screw them into furring strips that run vertically behind them. You don't need 3-5/8" wide, since you really just need the steel where the bin hooks and then another strip to support it where the lower part of it comes to rest (so there could be an additional open strip in the center of that 3-5/8" space. Keep in mind that you won't be able to hook the bins where the furring strips are (you could rip them down to narrower size, like 1" or 3/4". You could use sheet metal screws from the front to hold the strips in place. Or you could use an epoxy type adhesive. The weight of the fasteners is not that much, but you want to be sure the strips will stay in place.

If you weld, it could be a lot easier. But not everybody welds.

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Thanks.

Every day I try to at least take a quick 'coffee break' to do some small project on the car. A couple days back, it was to fix the passenger side rear-view mirror, which was getting pushed out of adjustment by the wind at the track (the wind that comes from going 130 mph). I just needed to tighten the little nut inside of it, but that meant taking off the door panel and doing some wrist and elbow contortions to get to the nuts that hold it in place.

Some jobs feel like they're going to be hard, but then turn out easy. I was in and out and battened back down in less than half an hour. One thing that made it quicker was being able to raise the car up and open the door all the way. Thank you, Mr. Lift.

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Jack, have you ever left the right door open when lowering the lift? Or, have you slamed the right door on the wooden support column?
 
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There's no getting around the fact that it's a small garage -- and sooner or later everything happens, right? I have accidentally lowered it with the driver's door open. Purely by chance, the curves of the door and the contours of the folded up table work well together, so that the door doesn't damage itself as it brushes along and down. Lowering it with the passenger door open like in the picture would be a problem. But that green thing in the open window space is the control switch, so there's really no way to be operating the lift without closing the door first. The door opens so that it does touch that wood pillar, which is pretty soft. Still, I've thought about putting a little silicone button or something so that there's even less of a chance of marring the paint.
 

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Wow. I finally made it to the end!! I hate coming to the party late!!!! It takes forever to get to the end!

Jack, amazing man! I saw the pic of your garage on jalopnik, but never could get to the article, assuming there was one. I was irritated that I couldn't find out more about it! I don't get on here much, usually just to check BB767's 1930's welding shop, Utah's bunker, and Rieferman's barn saving. I stumbled upon GIAG's renovation thread last week and in reading that, clicked on the links in your sig to look at the car. Then I clicked on the garage build link. I was most pleasantly surprised to see the porsche and the green cabinets! So I've been reading the better part of 5 days to catch up!

One thing you never really discussed is the overhead storage above the garage doors. I have a 115" ceiling height in my garage and would love to see just a little more on how you built the shelf/shelves above the overhead door. I did see the photo on your website but I couldn't tell much from that.

Anyway, great job! I love what you have done and are doing with the place. Your frugality and ingenuity and ability to just do, regardless of whether you have to re-do or not, is admirable. The car is awesome too! Love to see the videos of you at Willow Springs.

BTW, thanks for posting the shade fabric project, as well as the link to the welding forum where you had it. I have a Spanish style house with a courtyard similar to yours and I've been trying to figure out how to get some shade out there as well. I hadn't thought of going above the beams, I was going to use the beams to support some screens made of fabric. Now I think I'm going to try and come up with a support structure to bolt to the beams. Won't make it as claustrophobic in there!

Thanks for the peek into your world. It's fun.

Jeff
 

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Thanks for the pictures and suggestions, Jack! Really appreciate your insight. I had been thinking something along those lines as a mounting strategy - your description has helped me firm up my plan. I am inclined to try to weld up some strips like your stronghold cabinet, however I'm thinking that the combination of the thin steel of my cabinets and the thin skills of my welding are going to lead to some holy cabinets. Perhaps I'll try a test tack on the back and see how it goes. I feel like I'm talking shop with a right celebrity here. Thanks again!
 
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