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You're in some pretty good company there.

I like your efficient use of space and budget. Have definitely used some elements to inspire efficient planning in my little 20x20 garage.
 
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Here's a lift gif.

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Hi Jack,

Well, I would vote you in the top two (maybe tied with the 30's restored auto shop.) Your garage has a lot of character and was done by you on a pretty limited budget compared to the rest of them.

Bravo!
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Jack, I hope you and your family are having a great Christmas! I am sure you are knee deep in wrapping paper by now. Thank you for the continuing inspiration you bring forth in your garage and projects!


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You never know WHO you might be talking to

I went out for a testing day on Friday at my local track, Willow Springs.

I’ve been working for three winters now to try to get down to a 1:25 lap in my 911. To do it, I’ll need the perfect combination of temperature, winds, track conditions, tire condition, and, well, driving ability. I had some of those pieces in place yesterday, but… not quite. I got down into the 1:28’s pretty early, then with some tire pressure adjustments and a little focus, got into the 1:27’s. All of that is good for me and the car -- but the ambient temperatures, which had started out in the mid 30’s (which is perfect), got up close to 50 by about 11:00 and continued to rise.

There were about half a dozen other cars at this testing day. Right when I got there, someone came up and told me they’d watched my instructional video for the track earlier that morning. Another guy came up later and told me he’d met me for the first time in 1998, and had become a certified track nut in the meantime. People have heard of my car, my garage, and my track videos because I talk about them online. For me, it’s part of the fun of this hobby. But the one complicating factor with it is my prosopagnosia — I don’t recognize faces the way other people do. I use other things to identify people. Their cars are an easy trick. Other people suffer from this to greater or lesser extent. I have it worse than most. But I get by.

I’ve been driving this one track almost exclusively now for nine years, and it’s tricky to try to find areas where I can squeeze more out. There were some new cones set up along one section of the track, and I was using them to experiment with putting off my braking for turn 9, an infamous decreasing-radius turn taken at about 100 mph.

Here's a 1965 clip about turn 9, to give you some perspective:




Early in the day, I put it off that braking point a little bit too long — and went right off the track. My splitter sometimes contacts the pavement under hard braking, which has sharpened the leading edge of the aluminum like a knife. So going through the tumbleweed, it acted like a high=performance lawn mower. At the end of this video, you’ll see what the front of the car looked like when I pulled in.




There was no damage to the car, fortunately. My home-made aero pieces can be sacrificed in an incident like this, but the splitter was fine. The sand and dust I drove through paints a very literal picture on the back of the car of where there is an aerodynamic low-pressure area.

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I came in, checked everything out, and went right back and clicked off another 1:27.

All of my aero unbolts and gets packed into the car at the end of the day. As I was packing up, a guy named Randy came over from a group driving old Fords and Shelbys and introduced a friend of his who wanted to ask me some questions about my car.

He noted my lap time. He looked at the contours of the car. He lifted up the wing (which was off the car, now) and felt its weight. He asked about everything, including the profile of the wing, the downforce I thought it generated and how I’d put it together.

Everybody asks questions — that’s what people do at a track day — but his were more focused than most. As the two men left, it was eating away at me that I might have met this guy before, or something like that. I remembered he’d been introduced as ‘Pete.’

I got everything packed away inside the car.

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I went to wash my hands and said good-bye to the guy named Randy as I headed back to the car. He smiled and asked if I knew who I’d been talking to. That’s when it finally clicked.

That was Peter Brock.

If you don’t know, he talked his way into the Art Center’s design program when he was 17, then got hired at the age of 19 by GM, where he’s credited with the first defining drawings of what became the Corvette Sting Ray. He drew them when he was 20. And he’s also the guy who went to work for Carroll Shelby to run the Shelby Racing School. After Shelby found out that Brock was more than just a fast driver, Brock designed the Daytona Coupe that raced (and won) at Le Mans, the Nurburgring, Daytona and Sebring. Brock was the one who had to explain to Shelby why turning the Cobra into a coupe with a hard top wasn’t enough — for effective aerodynamics, they’d need to do a ground-up redesign of the car.

I didn’t have any of this in my head while I was clumsily talking up the virtues of my home-made, beer-cooler-foam wing and my high-tech (to me) methods of estimating downforce by measuring ride height with $5 junk-yard sensors pulled from a 1996 Lincoln Continental. But in retrospect, it was one of the great moments you can have at a track — casually talking cars with a guy who just happens to be a living legend.

If I’d had the good sense to realize who it was I was talking to, I’ll bet he could have given me a tip or two about that aero or the car to get me that 1:25 — or if I’d tossed him a helmet, he’d no doubt been able to take the 911 out and drive it to one.

Ah well. It was a complete pleasure speaking to him.

Here's one picture of him from back in the day, and one I found from this week.

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Re: You never know WHO you might be talking to

Great post. One of the few sports where the famous will stop and talk to fellow enthusiasts.
 

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Re: You never know WHO you might be talking to

Kudos to all the legends who are fine with introducing themselves as "Peter'.

Back in the day 1st Lady Clinton came into the shop where I was working, and the only thing that caught my eye was 'who are all these huge guys in black suits?' If I'd thought that such a thing might happen, I probably would have recognized her.
 

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That's one hell of a story jack and you should be extremely flattered. Why?, i have no doubt had he seen any flaws in your home brewed aero contraptions he might have made a suggestion of two. He was impressed enough to stop and chat, that in its self is something to be quite proud off.
 

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Always love reading your posts, Jack!

I remember Peter Brock from when my dad and I followed road racing seriously in the 60's and 70's -- mostly out of Watkins Glen but also at Road Atlanta, Limerock, Mid-Ohio, etc. He was a regular road racing fixture.

At Watkins Glen, I would wait outside the door to the room where the driver's meeting would occur (near the paddock) and get as many F1 driver's autographs as I could. Was even easier for manufacturer's races or CanAM. In those days, you could wander freely around the cars and drivers.

Anyway, not to wax sentimental but I really enjoyed those days and Peter Brock was a key part of it! Your post put me back into my childhood!
 

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I had a similar experience at the 2014 24hour at Daytona and I'm terrible with faces, too. I was standing in the infield before the race with my son watching the crowd go by and struck up a conversion with this tall older gentleman about cars and racing in general. My friend Donny, who was with us, eventually made his way over to us and started to ask me something, but had a funny look on his face and instead ask the gentleman, "Aren't you Derek Bell?" "Yes I am." We talk a little longer and before we parted, we asked if he would mind if we got our picture taken with him and he said, "Not at all." He could tell I was uncomfortable asking about the picture, and leans over and says, "Graham Hill once told me, when they quit asking, then you know you are fading into obscurity." A very polite, interesting man.
 
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The name Peter Brock is really interesting for an Aussie. "Our" Peter Brock was arguably the best and most famous touring car driver Australia has ever produced, his nick name was Peter Perfect because of his driving style.

Must be a good name if you want to drive fast:)

Cheers Andrew
 

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Re: You never know WHO you might be talking to

I'm just happy to be able to live vicariously through you, Jack. Keep 'em coming!

Edit: I'm decent with faces, but recognizing voices is a superpower of mine. I can and have recognized voices of people that I hadn't heard in decades, and know what movie I had heard them in before. Sometimes what I'm watching is animated, so no clues at all as to their looks. Sometimes I can't place them, and it drives me nuts.
 
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Re: You never know WHO you might be talking to

Great story......funny how we sometimes 'meet' people.

At least in this case you didn't make a right turn on red. :)

On a more technical note.....

I didn't think you were going that fast when you went off the track. What was your speed? With the tires you have on your beast, I would think you should have been fine.

Maybe you do need more down force.
 

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Re: You never know WHO you might be talking to

Pete's a really good guy. I've driven one of the 510's he set up, and have run into him at a bunch of vintage racing events. Given your exposure via the web, he was probably just as excited to meet you!

He's been involved in so many things high performance, including his AeroVault trailer series. Pete & BRE are the real deal. No "reality show" hype, just solid ingenuity & creativity...

You mentioned you run Willow a bunch. Fastest road in the west... You might also like to try Chuckwalla, out past Indio. And Buttonwillow, up outside of Bakersfield. And the sort of weird road course at Fontana is fun as well...

Thought about joining VARA & SVRA? You've had that 911 for quite a while, may be time to get into a dedicated race car. It's almost impossible to have one car that does both street & track well...

Blue skies.....

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Re: You never know WHO you might be talking to

I am not Peter Brock.

I never studied as an aerodynamicist.

I will say this:

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If you know of a low-pressure zone at the rear of the car...


...why are you not dumping your exhaust into it? The engine might appreciate lower back-pressure if tuned to suit, and the aerodynamics should be improved with less drag on the body.

It is likely to be a small difference. But a real difference, especially at heavy throttle/high speed. When slowing for corner entry and most of the corner itself, part-throttle produces little exhaust compared to heavy-throttle--so no real disturbance of the existing aero balance.




Great story, by the way. I drove a plain-jane 911...once. It was not in the cards. A memorable opportunity I'll be unlikely to have again.
 
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Thanks for sharing, Jack.

As someone who's first couple of cars were Datsun 510's, I am familiar with the Pete Brock story. I've also spent a few days at Willow, and turns 8 and 9 are both exhilarating and challenging. I've never gotten them right, but I've had fun trying.

Lastly, I'm glad to see that you are still sporting the grille badge I made many years ago.

Regards,
Jim
 

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Jack, thanks for the story & the ride along! You just collected another bit of life that makes for great memories & puts the shine on a life well lived.
 

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That's one hell of a story jack and you should be extremely flattered. Why?, i have no doubt had he seen any flaws in your home brewed aero contraptions he might have made a suggestion of two. He was impressed enough to stop and chat, that in its self is something to be quite proud off.

This.
 

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Great story! And great to see someone that actually runs his car on the track and not his mouth at the burger joint!
With the way insurance companies are today, I wouldn't even drive my '15 Mustang GT to a track to observe from the stands. Some of the guys on the forums have been getting caught with their cars on the track by ins and getting canceled. With plate readers being used these days by everyone, just not willing to chance it.
I was standing in the parking lot at work one day and a guy came cruising in with a small 4 door Toyota with plate readers in his back windows. He was scanning the parking lot gathering data. Makes me want to cover my plates while parked now.
 

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I had a very confusing conversation a few years ago with some fellow racers. We were all talking about "Peter Brock". I said he was a neat guy. Another guy said, "When did you meet him? He's been dead since '06" and the third said "He never raced, he was a Patriots football player".

I was talking about Peter G Brock, the American Racer. #2 guy was talking about Peter E Brock, the Aussie racer. #3 guy was talking about Peter A Brock, a player for the NFL New England Patriots...

I wouldn't even drive my '15 Mustang GT to a track to observe from the stands. Some of the guys on the forums have been getting caught with their cars on the track by ins and getting canceled. With plate readers being used these days by everyone, just not willing to chance it.

Your insurance cannot cancel you for track days. Many policies do specifically say they will not cover any damage that occurs at a race facility. Some only prohibit racing or timed events. That means they just won't pay for any damage caused at the track if you are actually in a race or get timed, but would cover damage from a "track day" or a high performance driver education course. If you're interested in doing track days, check your policy.

Tommy
 
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Re: You never know WHO you might be talking to

I had a very confusing conversation a few years ago with some fellow racers. We were all talking about "Peter Brock". I said he was a neat guy. Another guy said, "When did you meet him? He's been dead since '06" and the third said "He never raced, he was a Patriots football player".

I was talking about Peter G Brock, the American Racer. #2 guy was talking about Peter E Brock, the Aussie racer. #3 guy was talking about Peter A Brock, a player for the NFL New England Patriots...



Your insurance cannot cancel you for track days. Many policies do specifically say they will not cover any damage that occurs at a race facility. Some only prohibit racing or timed events. That means they just won't pay for any damage caused at the track if you are actually in a race or get timed, but would cover damage from a "track day" or a high performance driver education course. If you're interested in doing track days, check your policy.

Tommy


I go watch 1/4 mile track day at Brainerd Raceway here and you have to run street legal vehicles, I'm sure they all have insurance on them, most drive them to the track.
 

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@ Tommy,
Hey, I'll look into it closer. I know they said it was GEICO, and that's who I have. They might have a pre-notifications clause they didn't follow through on.
I use to have Travelers, but got dropped due to claims beyond my circumstances. $9000 hail damage to the wife's new car and getting my old Mustang totaled out by an uninsured driver were the biggies. GEICO was the ONLY company we could find that would cover us fit under $10K per year. ( Two under 25 drivers in the house at the time)
 

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Went to a Peter Brock presentation a few years ago at the Griot's Garage Cars and Coffee.

Very interesting story about the history of racing from the inside.

Aero was developed quite literally bay the seat of the pants...feedback from the driver as to what was happening to the car.
 

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Evander Holyfield came through my line at the grocery store where I worked as a teenager. I looked at him, knew he looked familiar, but couldn’t quite place him. I knew Evander lived nearby, but it still didn’t register.

I did recognize Lee Haney (bodybuilder) when he came through my line one night, but I’d just seen him on TV that morning.
 

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Cool post. Its been since the 90s, when I left SoCal, when I last ran Willow. Last time I did a big off at 9 was in the 80s when I ran an ITB car/mower. Every time I let a friend use my car to license they followed the same "path".

You ever run Mulholland with that car?
 

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Back in the 1970s I was a guest at a race track where I was listening to one of the drivers talk. It was Mark Donohue. He was an American race car driver known for his ability to set up his own race car as well as driving it to victories. Donohue is probably best known as the driver of the 1500+ bhp "Can-Am Killer" Porsche 917-30. Donohue was driving the 917-30 that day. Between Donohue and the genius of Porsche he was the winner by a more than clear margin after having lapped the next fasted big V8 orange race car.
I felt some great sadness when I heard he was killed in the summer of 1975.
I felt that I was in the presence of genius and I had little to say after my name, when I was asked for it.
Another bigger than life character I met in one of those long ago summers was Roger Penske. I was never that close to Mister Penske again.
My wife and I were at a Porsche Parade in Reno, NV. We were met by Mister Ferry Porsche and his companion Doctor Ernst Fuhrmann as we got off an elevator on the floor where our room was. They were on the same floor, as it turned out. They remembered the two of us from another Porsche Parade a year of two before. My wife had spoken German with the two of them.
Ernst Fuhrmann was the engineer of the famous Porsche four-cam four cylinder race engine from the 356 era. F. Porsche is often called the Father of the 911.
 

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Last five years of some guy named John Fitch life I did his computer support.
He was probably the first real race engineer.
& you know those barrels filled with sand before bridges and other places are called Fitch barrels.
 

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Pete's a really good guy. I've driven one of the 510's he set up, and have run into him at a bunch of vintage racing events. Given your exposure via the web, he was probably just as excited to meet you!

He's been involved in so many things high performance, including his AeroVault trailer series. Pete & BRE are the real deal. No "reality show" hype, just solid ingenuity & creativity...



Ed

My Dad bought one of Peter's AeroVault trailers... Nice trailers!!
 

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Great post Jack... thanks fir sharing with us what I’m sure was a very humbling and proud moment for you.. the notion of someone like Mr Brock walking up ever so casually is a great feeling... I’d like to believe for everyone.. Happy New Year all!


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