The Best Light Fixture Ever!

[JoeMayo]

I'll order 32 tomorrow of those new bulbs you just put up.
Ordered 16 maxlite Sunday

 

[Rogers954]

Man I really wish the bulbs from Greentek would come back when I priced what I needed though them it came out to $175.50, though ProLighting the total comes out to $261.55 even with the $10 off (27.81 for shipping), I don't know what to do, keep holding out for greentek to come back or another light that's close in price.....or just eat the money and get my project going.

 

[climb.on]

Any quick suggestions on my shop lighting? 3 rows or 4 rows? If I do four rows I either have to spread out the fixtures and not tandem the fixtures together, which will add installation cost (I suspect), or do 40 fixtures instead of 30, but that seems rather excessive. I like the idea of 4 rows so I could move my shop heater to the middle of the room.

Electrician may have to start working in the shop tomorrow unexpectedly. I thought I had more time dang it!

Sorry this drawing is a mess with notes. Shop is 36x48, white metal rib ceiling, painted OSB walls.

 

[Rogers954]

Can anyone tell me the difference between the 22w blubs that greenlight sells and this bulb? I have no idea where the lumens are being found on all these bulbs

https://greenlightdepot.com/collect...-led-linear-tube-dlc-tube?variant=30124611332

 

[Platonic Solid]

Rogers954 - Annoying isn't it. The lamp you linked to = 2160 Lumen (18W x 120 Lumen per Watt)

The ProLighting GLL bulb at 148 L/W compared to Greentek 120 L/W will eventually pay for itself in electric savings. Being in Utah where rates are quite low, it will take longer to realize that savings.

If I take out my crystal ball and attempt to predict the future, my guess is the Greentek 22W ballast bypass bulb will not return. Same with the LumeGen from Lightup (link).

 

[Platonic Solid]

climb.on - Please create a new post for your request which includes ceiling height. Quick look and I'd likely want to rotate the fixtures 90° so there are fixtures parallel left and right of vehicle.

 

[Rogers954]

Platonic - thank you for providing me with the formula and making me feel like a dummy hahahah I️ didn’t realize the formula was that simple must have missed it in all these pages of reading since I’m sure you posted it thank you sir for the help, I️ may just go ahead and pull the trigger on those as I’m sure the light output would be more than enough for me after all my shop right now has 2 single bulb 60w bulbs, ugh why people build that way from the get go baffles me, I️ get it a lot of people (especially here in Utah) don’t use there garages for more than parking or storing all there ****, but even at that rate would t you want to see while your in there? My layout is a 20X24 with a back corner being 9X13 I️ have 13 maxlight fixtures to fill that space and my ceilings are 11ft. Like I️ said anything will be a huge improvement and I’d rather save a little cash on the bulbs.

 

[Platonic Solid]

Rogers954 - Technology keeps moving on. Regardless of what you choose, something better will come along tomorrow. Plus we're entering the Black Friday retail insanity season to make you feel like you missed even more great opportunities.

 

[Rogers954]

Platonic - there you go again providing yet another eye opener BF is almost upon us and I️ wonder if any of these lighting places will throw out some deals. I️ guess I️ could wait another couple of weeks to purchase, I’m just getting sick of looking at all these fixtures siting in my garage waiting to go up. You the man yet again, thank you sir for all the help it’s much appreciated.

 

[Platonic Solid]

Added Prolighting (same distributor as latest GLLUSA LED Lamp) to page 1 as another source for MaxLite housing.

I see Prolighting offers Free Lighting Layouts, so if you're buying the lamp and housing through them (or just the lamps), might want to take advantage of this service.

 

[AP514]

%10 off From 1000bulbs on 20ish or more Fixtures. Sign in on the site/register
Just call the (800) number and let them know you saw this on the GJ. State you want %10 off to the sale lady on phone she will send it over to the Quote People and they will Email you the Quote in a day or 2.
The %10 is for Product only.......Not SHIPPING


https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/200882/PLT-10916.html

Hey PS the sticky on page 1 is great..I agree about the warning on Shipping.
You might add the %10 off you can get if you follow the above post.
Really happy with my lighting in my garage now..

Thanks for every thing.

 

[Platonic Solid]

You might add the %10 off you can get if you follow the above post.

Done

 

[gobeer net]

Are there any flushmount fixtures that dont have the empty ballast area between the bulbs and mounting surface? I'd like the look to be as sleek as possible and thus want the bulbs up against the mounting surface.

Also looking for 3 bulb housings.

 

[Platonic Solid]

gobeer net - If your talking about hard wired 4ft strip light housings for LED retrofit bulbs that meet code and have no wiring compartment, the answer is No.

They have those cord mounted linkable bulbs and fixtures if that floats your boat. Cord powered fixtures is not the intent of this thread.

If aesthetics matter, then look at adapting an LED edge lit flat panel (link) for surface mounting or pay the extra price to have an integrated driver and look at the commercial electric brand LED edge lit carried by HD (link) which is about as flush as you can get without going recessed.

3 Bulb housing (link)

 

[cdods]

Platonic,

A big thank you for all your time and information you've provided. I've got two questions that I don't think have been asked (but I might have missed something in the 50 odd pages).

First I've had a couple of local stores and electricians suggest not going with the ballast bypass bulbs. Their reasoning is there is a lack of standardization (single ended, double ended) and lack of support by some of the big name manufacturers. They are not convinced the ballast bypass bulbs will continue to be supported in the longer term. What are your thoughts?

Secondly, I have a workbench with a shelf over top of of it. The shelf is at about 6'. I want to put a light on the bottom of the shelf to light the workbench. Would you go with T8/Linear LED in this situation, or is there a different lighting you'd suggest. Workbench is about 5' long and 30" wide.

 

[jcm44]

Platonic - there you go again providing yet another eye opener BF is almost upon us and I️ wonder if any of these lighting places will throw out some deals. I️ guess I️ could wait another couple of weeks to purchase, I’m just getting sick of looking at all these fixtures siting in my garage waiting to go up. You the man yet again, thank you sir for all the help it’s much appreciated.

Use BF2017 for 10% off the bulbs at prolighting

 

[Platonic Solid]

cdods - Define "longer term". There are so many 4ft fluorescent fixtures out there that it will be a very long time (not in your lifetime long even if you were born yesterday) before LED retrofit bulbs become obsolete. Vast majority of people are using LED bypass bulbs with no issues. Only issues I know of are with LED ballast compatable bulbs, which I've always thought was a bad idea.

Search undercabinet lighting for light under shelf. Too many options including low cost corded linkable fixtures to get into here.

 

[bruincounselor]

Only issues I know of are with LED ballast compatable bulbs, which I've always thought was a bad idea.

Search undercabinet lighting for light under shelf. Too many options including low cost corded linkable fixtures to get into here.

It seems that having ballast compatible bulbs is just another part to go wrong. Doesn't a ballast consume energy too?

 

[Platonic Solid]

bruincounselor - Correct

 

[pointer80]

Pro lighting has a black Friday 10% off sale all week and the bulbs listed on the first page are part of the sale

 

[Platonic Solid]

I haven’t heard back from ProLighting on the package deal for lamps and housings yet. If you only need lamps I’d jump on the 10% deal available this week. The proposed deal in the works is a 2 lamp with housing bundle for $31.24 (+ shipping).

 

[devildog1205]

PS- Were you able to demo the fixture/bulbs ProLighting sent you? It appears the GLL Bulbs are still being shown as $8.99 a piece online. Can anyone confirm that that the black Friday sale is an additional 10% off of this price? Maxlite fixture and 2 GLL's is $32.98 plus shipping. Proposed deal is $1.74 cheaper per fixture with bulbs. Just wondering if the different fixture is worth the savings. I'll be purchasing 20 fixtures/40 bulbs. $34.80 total savings if new fixture is same or greater quality as the Maxlite.

 

[Platonic Solid]

devildog1205 - I don't expect to have the fixture in my hands until next week. The 10% applies to the lamps using code BF2017 at checkout, thus $8.99 ea. will be $8.09 ea.

The $1.74 savings difference is very small. This may be one those bird-in-the-hand decisions. The deal available now is a sure thing. The deal in the works is pending.

 

[Platonic Solid]

Here is the fixture for the deal currently pending (link).

Also available in 4000K (link).

Odds are they'd give you the $31.24 deal today if you call them and tell them you are from The Garage Journal forum. (= 12% off regular $35.50 price)

 

[danb35]

So the tubes on the first page at prolighting.com are 2664 lumens vs. 2400 lumens for the tubes at ledmyplace.com on page 55, both using 18 watts. That's 11% better efficiency. Cost is about 35% higher, and that's with the 10% off this week. Worth it?

 

[Platonic Solid]

35% higher? Is that due to shipping? How about posting links (page 55?, What does that mean?).
ledmyplace:
5000K frosted (link) out of stock.
4000K (link) is $6.99 (free shipping $49)
Your call.

 

[danb35]

Yes, shipping is part of that, and I'm looking at ordering 60 tubes as well, so ledmyplace's price drops further (cases of 25 are $162.25, or $6.49 each). Total from ledmyplace.com is $394 shipped; total from prolighting.com is $534. The tubes I'm looking at are the ones you just posted--page 55 was a reference to page 55 of this thread.

 

[Platonic Solid]

Sounds like a much better deal for 4000K.
(4000K)370 Lumen/$ (includes shipping) vs. (5000K)330 Lumens/$ (+ shipping)

I initially tried (and failed) to get ProLighting to offer free shipping as I knew that would make the difference.

 

[devildog1205]

Thanks dandb35.....just getting ready to order 20 fixtures and 40 bulbs from PL and you throw this in the mix. LOL. So is the thought process here to use the ProLighting Maxlite fixture with the ledmyplace bulbs? Curious, is there any noticeable difference in the 4K vs 5K bulbs? In my case, these will light a 32'x36' multi-purpose Shop, 20 dual bulb fixtures surface mounted to the bottom of scissor trusses in a 4x5 layout.

 

[devildog1205]

Found a T8 4ft LED, 5K, Clear 2500 Lumens Single Ended Power tube on ledmyplace for same price, $6.99. Seems like a more comparable bulb to the 5K on ProLighting. Thoughts? Linked here.

 

[Platonic Solid]

I dismissed the 4000K since most here seem to want 5000K. IMHO it doesn't make a hill of beans difference.
There are many sources for the Maxlite housing in the first post. Pick the one that works best WRT price and shipping to your location.

 

[Platonic Solid]

Clear *****! Don't go there! Way too painful + uneven light distribution.

 

[ard]

Worth it?

DO you believe it???

 

[Platonic Solid]

Added LEDmyplace bulb to 1st post

 

[devildog1205]

Spoke to LEDMYPLACE. The 5000K version of that bulb will be in stock Dec 13-15 next month. They actually manufacturer the bulb themselves. Same cost. Although they did ask me to call back Friday this week (Black Friday) and they might possibly be able to lower the $6.49 each even further. I'm purchasing 40, free shipping. Called ProLighting as well. They want $75 in shipping because the items are longer than 2" and won't go any lower than $8.09 a bulb for their GLL T8 LED 4 footers. I'll report back on Friday after I speak to LEDMYPLACE again and see if they discount any further. Although at $6.49, I still think that's a good deal. I'll just need to purchase the fixture elsewhere as they don't carry a compatible fixture for these lamps.

 

[pointer80]

Here is the lighting layout I received from Prolighting for my 30x30 space. Also the recommended bulbs and fixtures. I guess I do not understand why so many lumens? Seems like a lot? Platonic Solid what is your opinion? I was going with 21 two bulb fixtures with the 2664 lumen 5000k bulbs on first page. Sorry the layout didn't come out that good.

 

[Platonic Solid]

Added Greentek Energy Systems GT-T8-18W1200 BIXX to page 1.

 

[Platonic Solid]

pointer80 - I'm not sure what you're asking. I also don't know what the second image is supposed to tell me. That layout is the same Visual program I've linked to in the past here. You could do that yourself. If you want less light that's certainly your option. Recommended footcandles @ 30" workplane for automotive maintenance and machine repair is 93. The layout I did for you was 101fc in an empty room. As you fill the room with stuff you will lose reflected light and fc @ workplane will drop quite a bit. Not sure if this answers your question.

 

[pointer80]

pointer80 - I'm not sure what you're asking. I also don't know what the second image is supposed to tell me. That layout is the same Visual program I've linked to in the past here. You could do that yourself. If you want less light that's certainly your option. Recommended footcandles @ 30" workplane for automotive maintenance and machine repair is 93. The layout I did for you was 101fc in an empty room. As you fill the room with stuff you will lose reflected light and fc @ workplane will drop quite a bit. Not sure if this answers your question.

thank you, Yes they are using the same program that you recommended. I was just confused why they recommend 4500 lumens? that seems like a lot. I do like the lay out you did.

 

[Platonic Solid]

pointer80 - I believe the 4500 lumens you see there is the total lumens per fixture used to create the layout. The total lumens per fixture using Qty.2 of the GLLUSA lamps = 5328 Lumens.