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Grant Gunderson

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I wonder if o-rings in the banjo is the issue, on the few I have worked on, it seems like no matter how many times I pull a vaccum I keep getting air coming out. Something to consider. I have been hesitant to get me a set for one of my bikes due to this issue. For whatever reason (maybe just chance), the 4 piston brakes always seem to bleed and feel great, it has always been the two piston caliper that I have had issues with. (MT Trail SL-2 piston) All the 4 piston brakes I have done seemed to bleed up good and feel great.

Those thin snapon wrenches are cool, I haven't seen those before.
If it’s the banjo oring you will often see dust accumulation there as it sticks to the oil weeping out.
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Other place those tend to have issues is the main piston in the levers.
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These lever bodies are plastic. You can snap the cover with the vent port off but in my experience if you see oil coming out of that it’s time to by new levers.
 
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Nice thread. Couple of things that haven't been posted already...

Unior Cassette wrench 1670/2BI
Big improvement over chain whips. 10-tooth in the other side.

Unior 2-in-1 Disc Brake Tool 1757/2DP
Never used; I prefer tyre levers or box end wrenches for retracting pistons.

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Park Tool Beam-Type Torque Wrench 0-14 Nm TW-1.2
Used for suspension linkage pins, some of which are reverse thread.

Topeak TorqBits, from a Nano TorqBox DX

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Shimano brakes leaking is a hot topic over at mtbr too.

But I never had any issues with them, not from lack of maintenance which is more or less zero on my end or from sitting too long.

Absolute trouble free and only beaten in that regard by a set of HS33 from the mid 90’s that have never been bleed or looked at and now a buddy of mine uses without complains.

Having said that I will go the Shigura route if that ever happens to me with my bikes.
 

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Don’t see very many of those around Bellingham these days. It’s mostly Shimano and TRP now.

I’m running shimanos on most of my bikes now, but it’s tough to love them. Very on off, pita to bleed, no rebuild spares available. I looked at hopes, but they were around 3x more expensive which is tough to justify.
 

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I’m running shimanos on most of my bikes now, but it’s tough to love them. Very on off, pita to bleed, no rebuild spares available. I looked at hopes, but they were around 3x more expensive which is tough to justify.
If shimano are a pain in the *** to bleed you either have an issue with a seal in the system or your bleed tools as the funnel at the lever and syringe at the caliper to push fluid into the funnel is as easy as it gets.
 

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I like the articulating arm for the tools! That is a great idea.

I love those electric bike stands, just cant justify one for my home garage...

How do you like the pb swiss T-handles?

Speaking of Hex wrenches. Does anyone else have issues with 2mm fasteners stripping out? I am not sure if the fault is the fastener, the hex key, or the operator. I run into a lot of grub screws or set screws that the 2mm hex key seems to not fit great (feels loose) and ends up spinning inside. Sometimes its not like the fastener is even stripped out but its almost like the key is too small and doesn't fit well. I find these most often on fork lockout set screws and dropper post set screws. I don't feel like I am overtightening but maybe I am. I also seem to have the best luck with my older craftsman individual keys and not any of my nicer t-handles.
Many times the issue will be the size of the hex in the fastener. Use a 2.5 mm hex (Snap On is a good source) key with a good amount of steady downward pressure and a moderate amount of rotational force and you should be fine. Using a t handle tool is going to be an issue- they work well in some instances but can be a problem in others. Use the conventional L shaped hex key. I have have been in the Bike Biz for years- too many!!
 

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If shimano are a pain in the *** to bleed you either have an issue with a seal in the system or your bleed tools as the funnel at the lever and syringe at the caliper to push fluid into the funnel is as easy as it gets.

It’s consistency that’s the issue. Sometimes they bleed up fine and are fine forever. Others bleed up fine then the bite point changes every lap and changes back by the top of the lift. They’re hard to love.
 

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^^ bleed issues if bite point is changing.

I agree with Grant.. they are pretty simple to bleed.... but can be a bit airy fairy to deal with.. they seem to trap air bubbles at the caliper that will stay there regardless of how much fluid you push though "bubble free".

So even though the process is straight forward, you need to do it ad nauseam, and in any configuration you can dream of.. ie lever way up in the air, caliper way up the air, reservoir on lever full while you pump lever with caliper valve open, tap it, push fluid through one end, then the other, rub your head, pat your tummy. Makes you wish for the days of zip tied hoses so you could pull whole system off and hang vertically.

I don't stop until I can push fluid and cycle the lever 3 times in a row with zero bubbles.
 
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Many times the issue will be the size of the hex in the fastener. Use a 2.5 mm hex (Snap On is a good source) key with a good amount of steady downward pressure and a moderate amount of rotational force and you should be fine. Using a t handle tool is going to be an issue- they work well in some instances but can be a problem in others. Use the conventional L shaped hex key. I have have been in the Bike Biz for years- too many!!
I’ve found Snapon’s hex tooling to be garbage especially the small stuff as it tends to twist and doesn’t stay pressed into its sockets. Nepros is very well made, but the fit quality and durability of the PBswiss hex sockets is by far the best I’ve found

It’s consistency that’s the issue. Sometimes they bleed up fine and are fine forever. Others bleed up fine then the bite point changes every lap and changes back by the top of the lift. They’re hard to love.
If you have an inconsistent bite point it’s air getting into the system. What you are describing on the lift is certainly air in the system and/ or a sign that the oil needs to get flushed out. If it’s discolored when you’re bleeding it’s a good idea to flush it. If it’s happening after a bleed I’d inspect the hose for any possible damage, next I’d install new compression fittings on the hose ends. I’ve found the majority of the times the compression fittings were not properly tightened for the olives to properly compress and seal. Like all compression fittings, Too much torque and too little can both cause minor leaks for air to enter the system. This is one of those cases where a torque wrench is pretty important but 99% of bike mechanics don’t use them on brake lines.
 

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That mirrors my experience with Shimano brakes. I run Ultegra 8000 series 2 pot calipers on my road/cross/gravel bike and both 2 pot and 4 pot XT 8000 series on my mountain bikes. When bled well, they're fantastic. When bled poorly, the bite point wanders and they're not fun to ride. So I was forced to learn how to properly bleed them and have been enjoying them ever since. I do a caliper-to-lever bleed with a syringe at the start of each season and never have to touch them again. They're as low maintenance as I could ever ask for.
 

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I replaced my levers with Shimano XTR and they now are the strongest brakes I’ve ever used.
Shigura's are always cool, I'm doing the same with some MT6 calipers we recovered from a customer's bike and XT levers a friend had some extras of.

p.s. @Grant Gunderson, I'm always blown away by your home shop organization and the quantity of high level tools you run!
 

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Shigura's are always cool, I'm doing the same with some MT6 calipers we recovered from a customer's bike and XT levers a friend had some extras of.

p.s. @Grant Gunderson, I'm always blown away by your home shop organization and the quantity of high level tools you run!
Thanks, it to be fair my home shop is quickly turning into a full time suspension shop…. I’m actively looking for a commercial space to move into.
 

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^^ bleed issues if bite point is changing.

I agree with Grant.. they are pretty simple to bleed.... but can be a bit airy fairy to deal with.. they seem to trap air bubbles at the caliper that will stay there regardless of how much fluid you push though "bubble free".

Change the angle of the bike in the stand. The bubbles should move, and with some luck, they go somewhere you can push them out. Tapping the caliper can help too.

Also, don't reuse the fluid you push through. it can get aerated, and have tiny little bubles in it. You need to let it sit for a long time, or degas it in a vacuum chamber or something.
 

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I’m using mostly sliding t and “p” handles from PB Swiss in the home shop, but wanted a spare set of hex keys that offered something else to supplement for those odd jobs that require them.

I just picked up these 90/100 deg. stubby keys that range from standard to 100 deg. clearance angles, I think they’ll be a nice addition!
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It’s consistency that’s the issue. Sometimes they bleed up fine and are fine forever. Others bleed up fine then the bite point changes every lap and changes back by the top of the lift. They’re hard to love.
Shimano are easy to bleed, for the most part. However they suffer from what's called the wandering bite point. Due to false specced viscosity of the mineral oil and the slow retraction of the piston seals the fluid doesn't fully return to the reservoir and master cylinder piston and if you press repeatedly every time the brake perceivingly bites in a different position. Supposedly they fixed that with the new electronic xtr.
I wouldn't touch maguras with a pole. Plastic levers are a joke, you can feel them giving. The brakes are strong though
 

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Shimano re engineered their calipers to address problems with trapped air that was difficult to expel.

So yes the process is easy, but getting all the air out can be tricky depending on the caliper.
 

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Shimano re engineered their calipers to address problems with trapped air that was difficult to expel.

So yes the process is easy, but getting all the air out can be tricky depending on the caliper.
Even on perfectly bled calipers this was persistent. And shimanos never weren't that tricky. The problem was the one I described in an above post. Not my opinion, shimano confirmed it. It puts to rest my head scratching, having completely bled the brake, completely vertical (took if from the bike and had it hang) and it still having wandering bite point
 

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Since we're on specialty tools

Motorbike chain lube: $2.99
Bicycle chain lube: $12.99
 
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I’ll bite ... what motorbike chain lube is $2.99?

I'm in Greece. But yeah, skipped the el cheapo ones and here's one for 3,80eur.

Cheapest no name bicycle chain lube is 10eur, 3x the price.
 

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I'm in Greece. But yeah, skipped the el cheapo ones and here's one for 3,80eur.

Cheapest no name bicycle chain lube is 10eur, 3x the price.
That link is all Greek to me. ;)

That one looks like a Spray. So, it has propellant as well as lubricant. That has to factor in on the reduced cost.

Personally, I wouldn't lube a bike chain with anything that sprays out. I like to drip a drop on each roller. More controlled, less waste and mess.

I've never done it, but some mix up engine oil and mineral sprits and use that to drip on bike chains. The ultimate low cost option per unit volume it seems.
 

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That link is all Greek to me. ;)

That one looks like a Spray. So, it has propellant as well as lubricant. That has to factor in on the reduced cost.

Personally, I wouldn't lube a bike chain with anything that sprays out. I like to drip a drop on each roller. More controlled, less waste and mess.

I've never done it, but some mix up engine oil and mineral sprits and use that to drip on bike chains. The ultimate low cost option per unit volume it seems.
Low cost doesn't mean a good idea...
In my environment wet lubes are not a good idea, on bikes or motorcycles.

I wax my chains though...

Waxing isn't for everyone but I prefer it.
 

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Low cost doesn't mean a good idea...
In my environment wet lubes are not a good idea, on bikes or motorcycles.

I wax my chains though...

Waxing isn't for everyone but I prefer it.
I've been using "white lightning" drip wax lube since the 90's. It works well for me. Dirt/sand doesn't stick/accumulate. I don't really ever need to clean my chain except when it's brand new (to get off that cosmoline they sometimes pack them with. )I get about 150 road miles before I feel I need to lube my chain again. WL In our winters, though it doesn't last that long. If I used an oil, it would be a mess.

I've known about that hot wax method since the days of down tube shifters. My neighbor used to do it. I have not tried it though. I'll stick with WL It's pretty easy to use and deal with.
 

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When I used to spend a lot of time riding in UT I used white lightning, but found it useless here in the PNW where I exclusively use Boeshield T9

I tried the hot wax **** here, when one of clients that make it sent me some to test out. It was the worst stuff I’ve ever used. Never doing that again.
 

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Tri Flow for the win.
back when I used to actually walk into the local bike shops, everyone of them smelled like Tri-flow. I used to use it back then too on the chains. Not any more. I still use it spoke on ******* and derailleurs.

I'd also say that Tri-flow attracts more dirt than a homeless person.

During the pandemic, my other neighbor (who doesn't work on his bike) asked me to give his a bike a once over. Since I know WL works best to start on a clean chain, I used Triflow on my neighbors chain. I had nothing else besides WD-40 on hand and that's no use for bike chains.
 

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When I used to spend a lot of time riding in UT I used white lightning, but found it useless here in the PNW where I exclusively use Boeshield T9

I tried the hot wax **** here, when one of clients that make it sent me some to test out. It was the worst stuff I’ve ever used. Never doing that again.
What were your issues? I’ve been running hot wax exclusively for about 7 years and love it. My chain is always perfectly clean and dry at all times. I have a few chains pre-waxed so every 400 or so miles I just swap chains and then wax a batch when a bunch are ready.

The biggest downside is that it doesn’t do so well at preventing rust when leaving a bike to dry after a wet ride. (But I live in the front range, so it’s rarely a concern…) Blasting the chain with an air compressor solves that issue for me.
 

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Tri Flow for the win.
That was the first bike lube I ever used. It’s slick.. but the chain gets dirty pretty quickly.

I like Rock n Roll Gold on one of my bikes because it keeps the chain and drive train super clean, but it wears off too quickly.

I use Silca Super Secret drip chain wax on my nicest bike.. and am pretty happy with it. Hot wax however seems too much of a pain to me.

I also use Dumond Tech on another bike.. and it seems to be good, but also is not that clean.
 

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I use Silca Super Secret drip chain wax on my nicest bike.. and am pretty happy with it. Hot wax however seems too much of a pain to me.
Silca SS is good stuff if used right.

Cleaned/Rewaxed 25 chains in roughly an hour. Bet one can't clean and relube chains that fast with any other method. I also don't have to clean jockey wheels and other drivetrain parts and I don't get greasy chain marks on legs and hands. Every time I touch someone else's chain I remember why I like waxing. If I only had a couple of bikes I may not wax, but I probably still would...

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Most people use Tri Flow wrong. It is a dry lube that goes on wet. If you juice your chain at the trail head, then immediately hit the dusty/sandy trails, yeah not great. Lube the night before or at least an hour before and no problems.

A fair bit of 'dirt' is actually aluminum/metal. Chains get dirty with use.

As with many lube scenarios, just having some is the important thing. I'm not convinced anyone realizes any actual gains in performance/longevity, whatever by slicing it much finer than that.
 

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What were your issues? I’ve been running hot wax exclusively for about 7 years and love it. My chain is always perfectly clean and dry at all times. I have a few chains pre-waxed so every 400 or so miles I just swap chains and then wax a batch when a bunch are ready.

The biggest downside is that it doesn’t do so well at preventing rust when leaving a bike to dry after a wet ride. (But I live in the front range, so it’s rarely a concern…) Blasting the chain with an air compressor solves that issue for me.
In the wet it just didn’t last. Chain rusted quickly and was noisy as hell.
 

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In the wet it just didn’t last. Chain rusted quickly and was noisy as hell.
The wax is much more sensitive to application than the wax zealots would make it seem. At least in my experience. Most crockpots are too high a temp and you get poor adhesion / longevity. If you can get the temp right it does really well, even in the wet.

That said, I don't wax either as it's more work than I want to do on my own bikes. Silca's Synergetic lube works well enough and is low maintenance enough that I don't feel I'm missing anything. If it's super wet, my bike is going to get washed anyways so the cassette / chain really aren't a substantial difference in cleaning.
 

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I'm a White Lightning guy. I've tried wet lubricants, but here in the desert it just made for messy chains. Even worst on my BMX chains on a dusty track.
 

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I never thought I'd see a bike chain lube discussion on GJ with how famously often it pops up on other forums :ROFLMAO: 😜 . There's a terrific article here that explores the science of each lube, kindly concluding they're all equally good at doing exactly what each was designed for.

I always come back to Dumonde Tech though - when used right it polymerizes to your chain with an almost "forever" coating, more resilient than wax and just about as clean. Wolftooth has a nice all-season lube I experimented with when I lived in Iceland, but it ultimately leaves the chain messier than I like over time.
 

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At the end of the day I classify chain lube right up there with snake oil. Everyone tells you their **** is the best. Truth be told there is no single good solution for all conditions, but I’m a firm believer wax doesn’t lubricate as good as a wet formula. Most people don’t understand the proper way to install a wet lune is apply. Let set for 10-15 minutes wipe dry then ride


image.jpg Back to bike tools I gave pretty good selection of bearing tools with a modified Abbey press to use 8mm trapezoid thread and the Park suspension bearing drift set. That does 95% of what’s out there.

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So I’ve been investing in the Enduro Bearing brand tools. Not the biggest fan of their bearings but the tools are the best of the best. These are the BRT002/3 bottom bracket tools. The quality is unmatched.

When it comes to bearing tools for bikes Enduro beats out both Abbey and Park so I’ll be adding more of their tools to the mix.
 
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More bike tools. I didn't know this existed until recently. Never needed one.

I have a set of vintage Michelin ProRace folding clinchers. I had them in storage. Rubber and tire looks fine. I could not mount them on a rim with my hands. I had one of the same age on a spare rim, that was fine to remove and install. I've been riding it and it is holding up well.

Even after letting them sit out unfolded for a while. Nope. Couldn't do it. They had been folded in the package for a long time. I tried and my hands hurt from it.

I received this today, and used it to install the folded tires on some spare wheels. It did the job. I've pumped them up. Hopefully after a while they'll be able to be installed without tools. If I can't install them by hand in my garage, I don't want to ride them out on the road as I won't be able to deal with a puncture. I carry tire levers, but that's to get them off the rim. I've never really needed tools to get them on until now. Maybe a little push with the tire levers, but not much else. These Michelin were beyond a tire lever push for sure.

If this is the only time I use this tool, and I get a couple thousand miles out of those tires. I'll be good. If I run into a tough new tire, I'll use it though. It's plastic, but a tough plastic. I have some of those kool stop plastic tire levers. Had them forever. Seems to be similar plastic and strong.

I think this type of tool is useful for the tubeless type tires. But that's just what I read. I run tubed tires.

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^^ soaking the tires in a sink with hot af water helps. Pull them out, stand on them and pull up to stretch.
but then I can't buy a new tool:)

I thought about using heat and stretching. They're on the rims now and pumped up. I'll leave them be for a while. Hope that I can just use my hands later on. I don't want to carry that tire jack or a bucket of hot water on my rides. :LOL:
 
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