The dump next door is finally mine
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About all I will add that can be done over the winter and remain hidden from view: remove non load bearing walls on second and first floor.
Also, the aluminum siding is worth quite a bit of money, as previously mentioned. Plan on storing it under lock and key until you can get it to the scrap yard.
Also, the aluminum siding is worth quite a bit of money, as previously mentioned. Plan on storing it under lock and key until you can get it to the scrap yard.
sublime68charger
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just for building my garage which has been a 3 year ongoing project.
Started Garage in August
1st winter set in I had 2 walls and a roof.
2nd winter I had back wall done and Garage doors installed.
3rd winter which is now. I have actual side windows "not Plastic staple in Place" and sidewalls insulated and working on getting the ends buttoned up as well better than the tar Paper Siding I had last winter.
If the walls are all pushed over and lying on the ground does that count for a demo? if you get up against a time crunch?
or does the lot have to be clear? if it has to be clear just drag the stuff over to your lot
I know I moved my 9' x 15' wall sections around with my ATV to drag them into place so I could add the additional 10' sections to them to get my 26' length.
Piece-it Pete
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One thing I did when I stripped 1000 sf worth of horsehair plaster and lathe (and more!) in Cleveland - gave the garbagemen beer, usually a half case of Genny. It worked fantastically well. I often had heavy cans plus stuff 3-4 feet high the entire width of the tree lawn.
Pete
Pete
warmpancakes
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simple way to dispose of house, begin remodeling it, and accidentaly leave a heater on over night near the gallons of thinner you stored for redoing the floor
Vegaman_Dan
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I'm amazed that the city or township would allow you to demolish the structure without any permits or control. That's downright scary.
You have a lot more to consider. Will your property insurance allow this? What sort of bond will you post for the work to be done? Will you need to be licensed to do this? Demolition companies have hired professionals and have insurance, a bond, training, etc. Your property insurance may not cover this and that could be devastating. Sadly, this is not an uncommon scam on Craigslist. Someone responds to an ad for construction / remodeling on a site and they conveniently get injured, then sue the home owner whom has no defense. Seriously, that's just screwed up, but there are low lifes that do it. Don't let it happen to you.
Don't allow anyone from Craigslist onto the property to do any work. You're opening yourself up to massive liability risks doing that. They trip and sprain an ankle or break a bone and you're out for hundreds of thousands for willful neglect since you chose intentionally to avoid the normal process. Should someone get seriously injured, and you're out for millions in damages. Can you afford this?
Let's say you do start demolition. How quickly can you do it? This isn't something you can do in pieces over the course of months. The moment you start, you now have an attractive nuisance and liability for kids or trespassers. Yes, even though someone trespasses on the property, you are responsible for their safety. You may be required to fence off the area and secure it. Do you have the funds to erect portable fencing for this?
Once you do get it torn down, you'll be having to pay for it to be hauled off at whatever the dumpster rental fees are.
How old is this house? Have you done an asbestos test on the paint? If it was built before 1976, you may have to deal with asbestos abatement and removal first, and that can cost you an easy $10K or more depending on the amount and installation. This is NOT something you can do yourself.
I think you bought a huge liability risk. I also believe paying a demolition company $8K is a *bargain* compared to the risk you are facing that could cost hundreds of thousands if not millions if someone gets hurt. Why ruin your life for a few dollars?
Okay, so it's down, gone and you have a level lot. Will the municipality let you build a garage there? Is there any way to build your shop and have an office extension that goes over and reuses that basement space? That would be wonderful storage for projects later, especially if you can dig in an access ramp. Maybe the boiler can be recertified and heat the garage space?
There's a lot of risks and rewards here. Save yourself a lot of headache and just pay to have it demolished.
You have a lot more to consider. Will your property insurance allow this? What sort of bond will you post for the work to be done? Will you need to be licensed to do this? Demolition companies have hired professionals and have insurance, a bond, training, etc. Your property insurance may not cover this and that could be devastating. Sadly, this is not an uncommon scam on Craigslist. Someone responds to an ad for construction / remodeling on a site and they conveniently get injured, then sue the home owner whom has no defense. Seriously, that's just screwed up, but there are low lifes that do it. Don't let it happen to you.
Don't allow anyone from Craigslist onto the property to do any work. You're opening yourself up to massive liability risks doing that. They trip and sprain an ankle or break a bone and you're out for hundreds of thousands for willful neglect since you chose intentionally to avoid the normal process. Should someone get seriously injured, and you're out for millions in damages. Can you afford this?
Let's say you do start demolition. How quickly can you do it? This isn't something you can do in pieces over the course of months. The moment you start, you now have an attractive nuisance and liability for kids or trespassers. Yes, even though someone trespasses on the property, you are responsible for their safety. You may be required to fence off the area and secure it. Do you have the funds to erect portable fencing for this?
Once you do get it torn down, you'll be having to pay for it to be hauled off at whatever the dumpster rental fees are.
How old is this house? Have you done an asbestos test on the paint? If it was built before 1976, you may have to deal with asbestos abatement and removal first, and that can cost you an easy $10K or more depending on the amount and installation. This is NOT something you can do yourself.
I think you bought a huge liability risk. I also believe paying a demolition company $8K is a *bargain* compared to the risk you are facing that could cost hundreds of thousands if not millions if someone gets hurt. Why ruin your life for a few dollars?
Okay, so it's down, gone and you have a level lot. Will the municipality let you build a garage there? Is there any way to build your shop and have an office extension that goes over and reuses that basement space? That would be wonderful storage for projects later, especially if you can dig in an access ramp. Maybe the boiler can be recertified and heat the garage space?
There's a lot of risks and rewards here. Save yourself a lot of headache and just pay to have it demolished.
Vegaman_Dan
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As for a photograph, you could go to Bing.com/maps and get an aerial view / birds eye view of the property, take a couple of screen captures and post those. That will help out greatly and you don't have to go get pictures that way.
Here are a couple of images of the house from Google Maps. Thanks Vegaman for the idea. Bing didn't work but Google did. You'll probably have to cut and past the URL as they didn't go in as links.
These images are from a couple of years ago. The junk laying in the yard was left by a tenant that got evicted by the Sheriff. In the second image, my house is the red brick on the left.
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.015...m4!1e1!3m2!1s2RYa-kvILOu-20Tn1kuChA!2e0?hl=en
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.015...m4!1e1!3m2!1sfeTH5VpZ358crdBC1GbCxw!2e0?hl=en
These images are from a couple of years ago. The junk laying in the yard was left by a tenant that got evicted by the Sheriff. In the second image, my house is the red brick on the left.
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.015...m4!1e1!3m2!1s2RYa-kvILOu-20Tn1kuChA!2e0?hl=en
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.015...m4!1e1!3m2!1sfeTH5VpZ358crdBC1GbCxw!2e0?hl=en
sublime68charger
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thanks for the Pics I think Id' start on the back part and start taking thing's apart there.
you be hidden somewhat from the Washington street traffic which is a main street keep that looking as is. take apart the back part first learn what works better where and how on the demo side of things. then after your done with the back half you know how to bring the front half down faster and better and reduce the rumble demo look that you'd have going on.
just my thoughts on it.
Nice Red Brick house you have there as well
you be hidden somewhat from the Washington street traffic which is a main street keep that looking as is. take apart the back part first learn what works better where and how on the demo side of things. then after your done with the back half you know how to bring the front half down faster and better and reduce the rumble demo look that you'd have going on.
just my thoughts on it.
Nice Red Brick house you have there as well
Vegaman_Dan
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That seems to be a bit too residential to be building a multibay shop structure. Will you need to fence it off?
I'm sure the city won't want to see a half demolished structure there for weeks/months at a time as you piecemeal it.
Now there might be another fun option- check with your local heavy equipment dealer and see if they would like to use the house for a demonstration of their equipment or training for certification. They might like the opportunity to do some photo ops and get valuable training while showing off their equipment in use.
I'm sure the city won't want to see a half demolished structure there for weeks/months at a time as you piecemeal it.
Now there might be another fun option- check with your local heavy equipment dealer and see if they would like to use the house for a demonstration of their equipment or training for certification. They might like the opportunity to do some photo ops and get valuable training while showing off their equipment in use.
Vegaman,
I have already checked with the city. There is no issue with putting a garage on the lot. I don't know how big Pacific, WA is but in my town and most of the small towns around me the city really doesn't get involved. Unless someone complains they leave you alone. The only permit needed to build a structure is a $10 permit with the county. The only real purpose of the permit is to inform them of something that will change the taxes.
I have already checked with the city. There is no issue with putting a garage on the lot. I don't know how big Pacific, WA is but in my town and most of the small towns around me the city really doesn't get involved. Unless someone complains they leave you alone. The only permit needed to build a structure is a $10 permit with the county. The only real purpose of the permit is to inform them of something that will change the taxes.
Vegaman_Dan
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That sort of thinking can bite you badly later if they ever decide to take an interest such as you selling the property and the structure has no inspections, plans, etc. My town is only at 1200 people and the building inspector has been known to force structures to be torn down because they didn't have a proper permit at the time. I'm talking a decade after they were built. Never count on any government agency on being generous when that only lasts as long as the current administration does.
I'd hate to see you forced to tear down the garage when you go to sell the land later.
I have already checked with the zoning commissioner, there is no problem. It isn't that people disregard the permitting requirements, the city doesn't have them. Zoning for commercial, residential, etc., yes, and ordinances, such as no mobiles in the city limits unless replacing an older mobile home that was grandfathered, but no permits for building.
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Badasssapper67
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Could you make it rentable for 20G or less? Rent it for 20 years and sell it as part of your retirement portfolio.
We don't really want to be landlords. Plus the floors are sagging because the sills are rotted away as well as some of the joists. The wiring and plumbing would have to be completely replaced. And.......I really want a nice big garage. Retirement is covered in other ways.
blazentrout
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One thing to do on the chimney is take it down in stages. good luck.
Piece-it Pete
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What a shame, it's something of a charmer. Great place for a big garage though 
Your house is awesome.
Pete
Your house is awesome.Pete
Thanks Pete. We work hard to keep our place up. Maintenance on an old house is never ending.
When we bought our house 15 years ago the place next door belonged to a sweet little old lady that had been there for 40+ years. The place was old but well kept. I remember she had an electric lawn mower and would mow the grass a little bit each day and kept everything very nice. After a couple of years she moved in with her daughter and sold the house to the guy we bought it from. He lived in it for a year or 2 and then turned it into rental property.
The past 10 or 11 years have been really hard on the house next door. It's amazing, that 80 year old lady would work diligently to keep the place nice but the renters, often times with teenage kids, would only cut the grass maybe once every 3 or 4 weeks. And that was typically only after we called the owner and complained about the place turning into a jungle. They would throw trash in the yard and leave it. We have had at least one drug dealer over there and an untold number of domestic violence disputes that resulted in the police being called. And it seems as least one of the tenants always had a big dog that they would tie out in the back dog and let it bark all night.
All I can say is it will be good riddance.
When we bought our house 15 years ago the place next door belonged to a sweet little old lady that had been there for 40+ years. The place was old but well kept. I remember she had an electric lawn mower and would mow the grass a little bit each day and kept everything very nice. After a couple of years she moved in with her daughter and sold the house to the guy we bought it from. He lived in it for a year or 2 and then turned it into rental property.
The past 10 or 11 years have been really hard on the house next door. It's amazing, that 80 year old lady would work diligently to keep the place nice but the renters, often times with teenage kids, would only cut the grass maybe once every 3 or 4 weeks. And that was typically only after we called the owner and complained about the place turning into a jungle. They would throw trash in the yard and leave it. We have had at least one drug dealer over there and an untold number of domestic violence disputes that resulted in the police being called. And it seems as least one of the tenants always had a big dog that they would tie out in the back dog and let it bark all night.
All I can say is it will be good riddance.
Justanoldguy
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Pretty sure it was mention more than once that burning it down would also damage/destroy the house he lives in which is in close proximity..
sean Buick 76
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This is CRAZY!!!! WE NEED PICS!!!!
theoldwizard1
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Looks like that tree in front near the street needs some work !
That was the original intention but the place is so disgusting that we just can't bring ourselves to do it. Besides the type of renter it would attract wouldn't be the most reliable. Over the last several years no one has stayed there for more than a year or so and most ended up getting evicted for not paying the rent. The laws in Illinois protect the renter. It can take 2 to 3 month to get someone out. All the while they are using water that the landlord is paying for and having trash hauled away at the landlords expense. Plus as mentioned before the wiring is just not safe. I don't want to get someone killed.
Gregg33
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I know there could be some liability issues if you're not insured, but I'd look into getting some help with labor like a neighbor's kid, a family member between jobs or that's retired etc. You can pay cash or maybe even trade building materials or anything else they want or even trade labor (ie. fix their car if they help you). I know you are trying to save $ but some1 to do some work while you're at work or to help you move heavy items or to work alongside you will make things easier. Chatting about sports or even the work you are doing makes the time go by faster and seems to cut back on the stress.
As others indicated get a trailer too. Ideally a dumper but any bigger trailer is better than nothing. If you don't have a truck big enough to haul such a trailer look at temporarily owning a stake truck or small dump truck. You will save a lot over filling dumpsters. Cement and brick can often be hauled to a construction site to use as a driveway base or even save it for your own driveway.
As others indicated get a trailer too. Ideally a dumper but any bigger trailer is better than nothing. If you don't have a truck big enough to haul such a trailer look at temporarily owning a stake truck or small dump truck. You will save a lot over filling dumpsters. Cement and brick can often be hauled to a construction site to use as a driveway base or even save it for your own driveway.
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Call G&G Services in Centralia. They have the lowest rates around for 30yd roll-offs. I shopped a 40-mile radius and nobody could touch them on price or service. My recollection is they dump at the Duquoin landfill, so they should be willing to serve you.
The way I'd approach that is pulling it down with a tractor. I've done a number of frame buildings that way and it's pretty fast. Maximize the dumpster volume by stacking the framing materials all the same direction once the building is down and easy to take apart.
The way I'd approach that is pulling it down with a tractor. I've done a number of frame buildings that way and it's pretty fast. Maximize the dumpster volume by stacking the framing materials all the same direction once the building is down and easy to take apart.
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Gregg33 and A_P Mech,
Thanks for the tips, that is why I started this thread.
I have a nephew or 2 that I am going to try to pay abit to help. I also have a neighbor and brother-in-law that have volunteered to help.
I don't have a tractor but I can hook up to my F150 to pull it down if that is the way it ends up going.
Thanks for the tips, that is why I started this thread.
I have a nephew or 2 that I am going to try to pay abit to help. I also have a neighbor and brother-in-law that have volunteered to help.
I don't have a tractor but I can hook up to my F150 to pull it down if that is the way it ends up going.
theoldwizard1
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I you pull it down, you have very little lumber worth salvaging.
SeattleKent
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Interesting project. Looks like you have a well thought out plan and have all the angles covered.
I understand Vegaman_Dan's comments. That how it works way up here in Washington. You don't blow your noses without checking with the town/county to make sure it's OK. We do it because we know the penalty for not doing it is severe. Must be nice living in a town where the building permit is only $10 and is easy to get. Sounds like people are smart and just leave each other alone. Good to hear someplace in America is still like that.
I think you will save a lot of money by tearing it down yourself. The $8,000 quote was arrived at by adding labor, hazardous waste, equipment, disposal fees, and some profit. Seems you checked and there is no hazardous waste. Doing it yourself there will be no labor cost. The equipment you use will be minimal (vs a contractor using a back hoe or something to rip it down). That mean the whole $8,000 will go to disposal fees. At $375 for 5 tons you are below $8,000 if the house weighs less than 106 tons. Pretty likely. You can save more money by filling the dumpster carefully because additional weight is cheaper than the base price. The only way the contractor bid would be cheaper if they really, really underbid the job. He is a professional. Unlikely.
I suspect once you start it will go quickly. It doesn't take months to build a home like that. Tearing down is easier than building. Should take less time.
Thanks for posting. Interesting discussion. Good luck. Let us know how it turns out.
I understand Vegaman_Dan's comments. That how it works way up here in Washington. You don't blow your noses without checking with the town/county to make sure it's OK. We do it because we know the penalty for not doing it is severe. Must be nice living in a town where the building permit is only $10 and is easy to get. Sounds like people are smart and just leave each other alone. Good to hear someplace in America is still like that.
I think you will save a lot of money by tearing it down yourself. The $8,000 quote was arrived at by adding labor, hazardous waste, equipment, disposal fees, and some profit. Seems you checked and there is no hazardous waste. Doing it yourself there will be no labor cost. The equipment you use will be minimal (vs a contractor using a back hoe or something to rip it down). That mean the whole $8,000 will go to disposal fees. At $375 for 5 tons you are below $8,000 if the house weighs less than 106 tons. Pretty likely. You can save more money by filling the dumpster carefully because additional weight is cheaper than the base price. The only way the contractor bid would be cheaper if they really, really underbid the job. He is a professional. Unlikely.
I suspect once you start it will go quickly. It doesn't take months to build a home like that. Tearing down is easier than building. Should take less time.
Thanks for posting. Interesting discussion. Good luck. Let us know how it turns out.
2diamondfarm
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I spent the better part of a year tearing down a house on our property we gutted it and stripped all the siding what a pain in the a** .
I had an friend with a excavator come over and smash it up filled 3 30 yard dumpsters and hauled out one load of cement
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Last house we took down was 1,500 sqft ranch w/ attached two car garage. It took 7 30 yard containers at $750-900 a piece. A better operator could have packed the containers more efficiently and saved at least 2 containers. A great operator would use a grapple or thumb attachment to shred material saving another container.
I would estimate 12 hours of machine time + cost of containers.
We often leave the fireplace & chimney in tact and use it to burn as much debris as possible. I've been told there are no restrictions on content or qty burned in a fireplace.
I would estimate 12 hours of machine time + cost of containers.
We often leave the fireplace & chimney in tact and use it to burn as much debris as possible. I've been told there are no restrictions on content or qty burned in a fireplace.
Playwme
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That sounds like something I'd do.
As stated earlier, try to do it as quick as possible. Having it half done will give you and the other neighbours the sh!7$.
Personally, I think I'd spend the 8grand. I love doing stuff myself and hate paying for things I could do, but the amount of physical labour involved in a job like that will surprise you, and you may still end up $3k out of pocket for dumping fees. A guy with a machine and a dump truck will have it gone in no time and you can spend your time planning your new garage instead.
Can you leave the basement and integrate it into your new shop? Put in a suspended slab, a pit for working on cars, and underground storage.
TractorJeff
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Mention about the money on pg5 a 90yo woman living there 10yr ago, may definitely have had a stash! 20 years ago, a house was being demo'd, in the bedroom wall was a stash as the old people always worried about an Economic Crash as in the 30's.
Course after 10yr of renters and raccoons, your chances of a pay off are slim unless there is a big bag of dope money still hidden in there!
Course after 10yr of renters and raccoons, your chances of a pay off are slim unless there is a big bag of dope money still hidden in there!
I'm just coming back to this thread. You sound alot like me, I'm not cheap, just frugal. I like to know where my money is going and I'm not going to pay somebody to do something that I can do myself.
The money saved tearing it down yourself, will go along way towards the new garage.
GuyllFyre
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Too bad you aren't local, I'd lend a hand.
Taking stuff like this down is pretty simple.
I'm big on salvaging useful lumber and that house should have quite a bit of it.
Plus all the metal salvage can be worth some $$ and the radiators, if good cast iron, may not get you a lot of cash but people look for them (I love mine and wouldn't mind a couple of matching ones).
Even the floors, as nasty as they may be, if they are real hardwood, can be used to build forms and such for pouring concrete. Much more rigid than plain plywood and you're not going to care what happens to it.
Plus, if you have a wood stove, chopping any wood up that's unusable can then be used to keep the house warm for a while.
As it stands right now, I have to unload my van. Company I work for is doing a renovation project and the contractors keep throwing away used lumber that even with the nails and screws in it, is better than I can buy at Lowes or Home Depot.
Nothing like hundreds of dollar worth of lumber for free.
Pulling nails and removing screws was one of the first things my dad taught us as kids as he always saved any useful lumber.
Taking stuff like this down is pretty simple.
I'm big on salvaging useful lumber and that house should have quite a bit of it.
Plus all the metal salvage can be worth some $$ and the radiators, if good cast iron, may not get you a lot of cash but people look for them (I love mine and wouldn't mind a couple of matching ones).
Even the floors, as nasty as they may be, if they are real hardwood, can be used to build forms and such for pouring concrete. Much more rigid than plain plywood and you're not going to care what happens to it.
Plus, if you have a wood stove, chopping any wood up that's unusable can then be used to keep the house warm for a while.
As it stands right now, I have to unload my van. Company I work for is doing a renovation project and the contractors keep throwing away used lumber that even with the nails and screws in it, is better than I can buy at Lowes or Home Depot.
Nothing like hundreds of dollar worth of lumber for free.
Pulling nails and removing screws was one of the first things my dad taught us as kids as he always saved any useful lumber.
toytech40
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Here is something to think about look into a 8 yard dumpster that is dumped weekly. I have a friend that is in the process of cleaning up a couple properties in that are in his family, and is working on it slowly, as weather and time permits. He looked into a 40 yd dumpster set and have 30 days to fill and dump or have to pay rent on it as well. The fee was $200 to set and dump and if go over 30 days $50 for each month it sets with out being dumped.
Then same company priced an 8 yd dumpster set at his house for weekly dumping at $22 a month. He can put what ever he wants in it(except tires, hazardous waste, etc.) as long as lid closes.
That way he can work at his pace and time frame, bring trash from multiple locations, and basically have 32 yards of stuff hauled off every month for $22. Plus take 10 or so months to spend as much as 1 40 yard dumpster.
Of course local companies or dumping regs may prohibit this.
Just a thought that may work if not in a big hurry and wish to spread out the expense.
Then same company priced an 8 yd dumpster set at his house for weekly dumping at $22 a month. He can put what ever he wants in it(except tires, hazardous waste, etc.) as long as lid closes.
That way he can work at his pace and time frame, bring trash from multiple locations, and basically have 32 yards of stuff hauled off every month for $22. Plus take 10 or so months to spend as much as 1 40 yard dumpster.
Of course local companies or dumping regs may prohibit this.
Just a thought that may work if not in a big hurry and wish to spread out the expense.