The dump next door is finally mine
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RickP
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Great progress so far - I'll bet you can't wait to finish it!
First I'm seeing this thread. Skimmed through most of it. Congrats on doing it yourself....I would have done the same! I love demo (and saving my money)!
After seeing the pics, I'll put my 2 cents in on what I would have probably done:
Gut and sell the interior stuff like you have already done.
Separate the metal siding, copper pipe/wire, and other scrap metal
Plan one weekend to rent an excavator with 3 dumpsters on the lot. Spend Saturday knocking it down and crushing what you could as small as you can. Sunday to load up the dumpsters and fill in the basement.
In two days, I'm confident that I could have it go from your last pictures...to a bare lot needing final fill in the basement (if there wasn't enough to fill with), and whatever didn't fit in 3 dumpsters.
BTW: Love your Italiano!
After seeing the pics, I'll put my 2 cents in on what I would have probably done:
Gut and sell the interior stuff like you have already done.
Separate the metal siding, copper pipe/wire, and other scrap metal
Plan one weekend to rent an excavator with 3 dumpsters on the lot. Spend Saturday knocking it down and crushing what you could as small as you can. Sunday to load up the dumpsters and fill in the basement.
In two days, I'm confident that I could have it go from your last pictures...to a bare lot needing final fill in the basement (if there wasn't enough to fill with), and whatever didn't fit in 3 dumpsters.
BTW: Love your Italiano!
LB-1911
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Steady as she goes, Great Job!Very much if any Vermiculite to deal with? That is such a fun clean job on warm day w/high humidity......
sublime68charger
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Making progress keep the pics and updates coming!!!
ACT,
Thanks for the good words on my Italianate. Can't wait to get done with the dump so I can get back to work on it. The list of honey do' s is growing quickly.
This aluminum and copper are stacked behind the dump in a hard to get to spot to deter thiefs. The other metal almost Isn't worth scrapping at $0.025 per pound.
Very much if any Vermiculite to deal with? That is such a fun clean job on warm day w/high humidity......
We took about 50 45 gallon contractor bags of insulation out of the upstairs. Nothing better than beating out a plaster ceiling with insulation dropping on your head. Nasty stuff.
papavolume
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Damn, that is quite the project! Looks like you are making great progress though.
xtremek
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Sounds like the plan is working out nicely. Keep up the good work.
The only problem currently is that I think the guy that was going to take the bricks is backing out. He also bought several things from inside the house, including the doors. The last of the doors need to go since the roof will be coming off in a few weeks. I've called several times and he never answers the phone, and his voicemail Isn't setup. When I finally got him he said he would be by and didn't show. Looks another Craig's list add in the near future.
Olinrj
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Congratulations! Good luck with the demo. I'll keep an eye out for updates.
theoldwizard1
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Does it have a basement that needs to needs to be removed and filled in ?
RickP
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Congratulations! It must feel great to finally get that finished.
I can't wait to see photos of the demo in progress - I'll bet you couldn't wait for it to come down.
I can't wait to see photos of the demo in progress - I'll bet you couldn't wait for it to come down.
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JDMopar
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Sounds great, looking forward to the pics. You got it done before cold weather!
merc66rkm
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any pictures? Pictures are cool.
pmiranda
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Got any air force friends? Tell them you suspect ISIS is operating out of it and you want a drone strike 
Ooops... too late, already rubble.
Ooops... too late, already rubble.
Pics ? Where's the pics and updates ?
Here you go Nutts! These are from when the place was coming down. I don't have any more recent pics.
I have been seperating the debris with the roofing/tar paper/etc going into the dumpster, scrap misc. wood going into a pile for future possible burning and the oak and poplar framing lumber going into a pile. I listed all of the wood on Craigslist as free and the oak and poplar is going pretty quickly.
I was burning the pine roof and wall sheathing in a pit in the yard until one of the cities finest informed me I had to quit because the city has an ordinance on burning construction debris. I have asked the Mayor if he would consider issuing a waiver to allow me to burn as long as I separate out anything treated or that would make nasty smoke. He told me he would consider my request and get back with me. The current Mayor was elected earlier this year and has been trying to clean up the city by demolishing several vacant buildings so getting rid of this place and helping me get the lot cleaned up helps his cause. The city allows residents to burn leaves which creates a lot nastier smoke than what I will be burning.
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rayra
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I've done some demos and flipping, tyvek suits and painter's hoods or a balaclava go a long way to towards making ceiling / plaster / overhead tearouts more comfortable. So does a well fitting dust mask.
Weere I you I'd have salvaged as much of the brick as possible, use them as pavers for your planned patio, reserving the rest for architectural details on your planned future garage. A way to tie the old (your) structures to the new.
Congrats on getting it done and doing most of it yourself. Likewise on the economics of it. You've freshly demonstrated that what any man can build another man can demolish. Never pay much attention to the naysayers or take counsel from their fears. Determine the laws / restrictions and what you have to do and choose to do to operate within those strictures and press on.
Looking forward to seeing more pics of your completion work, and to your garage design.
Frankly I'm surprised that so many folks on what ought to be a quintessentially 'DIY' site were advising only 'qualified pros' should do the work, and that putting youth to work at physical labor had more downsides than good.
Weere I you I'd have salvaged as much of the brick as possible, use them as pavers for your planned patio, reserving the rest for architectural details on your planned future garage. A way to tie the old (your) structures to the new.
Congrats on getting it done and doing most of it yourself. Likewise on the economics of it. You've freshly demonstrated that what any man can build another man can demolish. Never pay much attention to the naysayers or take counsel from their fears. Determine the laws / restrictions and what you have to do and choose to do to operate within those strictures and press on.
Looking forward to seeing more pics of your completion work, and to your garage design.
Frankly I'm surprised that so many folks on what ought to be a quintessentially 'DIY' site were advising only 'qualified pros' should do the work, and that putting youth to work at physical labor had more downsides than good.
theoldwizard1
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Great idea ! I hope it works out for you !!
Thanks for the pics and you have been busting your **** to get this far. Congrats as the end is near.
As far as the burning goes, most of that is mandated by EPA standards. If you can cut the pine boards up into fairly short lengths, you could put it on CL as "free kindling". It'll probably go like hotcakes as Winter is coming. Stack the other stuff in a pile near the kindling and I bet people will ask about that stuff also.
When I pulled the old T111 off my garage, I stacked it on the trailer to haul away. I wasn't even done and had somebody stop and ask if they could have some of the full sheets. Sure, watch the nails and don't make a mess going through it. They came bak with a trailer about an hour later and took all of it. He was happy and so was I, I didn't have to haul it or pay to get rid of it.
As far as the burning goes, most of that is mandated by EPA standards. If you can cut the pine boards up into fairly short lengths, you could put it on CL as "free kindling". It'll probably go like hotcakes as Winter is coming. Stack the other stuff in a pile near the kindling and I bet people will ask about that stuff also.
When I pulled the old T111 off my garage, I stacked it on the trailer to haul away. I wasn't even done and had somebody stop and ask if they could have some of the full sheets. Sure, watch the nails and don't make a mess going through it. They came bak with a trailer about an hour later and took all of it. He was happy and so was I, I didn't have to haul it or pay to get rid of it.
Well...I just talked to one of our city commissioners. The ordinance banning the burning of construction is based on an EPA requirement. If the city gave me permission and someone called the EPA then the city could get in trouble. It's not the answer I hoped for but it is what I expected. Oh well, I'll figure something out.
6768rogues
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The number of dumpsters needed is dependent on what type of equipment you use to demolish the house. If it is in small pieces and your machine can pack it, the number of dumpsters will be less.
My son has a dumpster business and I occasionally drive for him. Last year we hauled for demolition of a large single wide mobile home and it took 5-20 yard dumpsters. I took one over the day before, and then took another with the truck. In the time it took me to go and dump at the transfer station, they had the other one filled. We did that through the day and it was done in a day. They used a small excavator with a grapple bucket so they could get pieces that fit will and could pack it down. My son charges a per dumpster rate for deliver and dump service and adds a per ton charge for what is disposed. A job like this one deserves a break in the rates. I don't remember exactly, but I would think that disposal cost about $2000 or so. Sounds like a lot, but this week he ordered a new truck at $120,000 so put it in perspective.
My son has a dumpster business and I occasionally drive for him. Last year we hauled for demolition of a large single wide mobile home and it took 5-20 yard dumpsters. I took one over the day before, and then took another with the truck. In the time it took me to go and dump at the transfer station, they had the other one filled. We did that through the day and it was done in a day. They used a small excavator with a grapple bucket so they could get pieces that fit will and could pack it down. My son charges a per dumpster rate for deliver and dump service and adds a per ton charge for what is disposed. A job like this one deserves a break in the rates. I don't remember exactly, but I would think that disposal cost about $2000 or so. Sounds like a lot, but this week he ordered a new truck at $120,000 so put it in perspective.
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Try taking down a tree in NYC. You need the Pope's permission. We had some dead trees inside and outside the fence line. The minute we went outside the fence line, the neighbors were out there with iPhones and the like and threatened to take the tree contractor to the Parks Dept. He then whipped out the plans showing that the trees were approved to come down.
The "complainers" went back into their foxholes never to be heard from again. Funny how that happens.....
Not sure if there are many woodworkers here but here is a pic of one of the oak boards after I ran it through the table saw. This started as the broken end of a 2 1/2" x 6" floor hoist. I cut the end off and just squared it up. Definitely some good looking wood, and it's free. There are some floor joists for the first floor that are 4"x8"x12'+. I am'going to try to save some for myself just no where to store it.
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You do have some nice wood there for some future projects.. . cheap.
There are people who would die for that big oak, who are building houses out of "recycled" lumber. In particular any that are being built as LEED certified. There are forums and bulletin boards for such things, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd drive 500 miles to pick it up and pay good money for it. (Real "green", eh?!).
pmiranda
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Old-growth wood is worth the effort to reuse. It's certainly worth the time since otherwise you have to wait a lot of years to grow anything that good! Most lumber these days comes from fast-growing species... throwaway lumber for building throwaway houses.
SeattleKent
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The way I see it, this is not construction debris but rather destruction debris. Does the law cover destruction debris?
Yes, but it doesn't bother me. I had some cars blocking the driveway. Simple resolution. You call, get them ticketed and then call the tow company of your choice. They tow it and bill the owner for storage.
I followed up with a few of them a few hours later and both stated that either the owners came running out or worse, they got one free "coupon" for a wait at the impound yard to get their car back. In NYC, that "oversight" of getting your car towed can cost you easily 500 large.....
I had been polite and leaving notes but to no avail. Funny,I don't have cars blocking it anymore......
rayra
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You're going to want to keep that oak, it's worth some money. Or at least advertise it for sale, not 'Free'.
theoldwizard1
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My son bought a repossessed house during the depression. The city planted tree needed trimming. The city "forbids" anyone from trimming those tree except city crews. No one complained when he paid for a crew to trim it and remove some other trees.
The rest of the trees on that street loom like **** because they haven't been trimmed in 15-20 years.
MScott
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Wow you must be a really "old" wizard if your son bought a house during the depression. (1929-1940)
myredracer
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Even if siding does not contain asbestos, it could be in floor tiles and in other things. If you hired a company to do the demo and they find something with asbestos, they will have to halt the work until an asbestos abatement/removal plan is done and that will end up costing a fortune to get it removed. Best to deal with it yourself if you come across anything suspicious. Usually things with asbestos can be properly bagged and disposed of at the local dump. Check with local authorities.
You can hire casual help off CL as long as you contact your local workers compensation board and get coverage for any workers you hire. It's based on the payroll that you report. Never hire anyone or company to work on your property if they don't have workers comp. coverage. That applies to a company as well. Always phone and ask if their premiums are paid and up to date and have the required certificate/clearance letter.
I would go with doing the demo yourself. I torn down a really sh*tty 1000 sq. ft. 50s single story house on our property after building a new house on it. That was 8 years ago and got quotes of around $5K to get someone to come in and do it. I decided not to throw out that kind of cash and did the demo myself. Hardest part was the roof because of several layers of asphalt shingles and the thousands of shingle nails everywhere. Otherwise, swinging a sledge hammer around wasn't all that hard. Because I did the work by hand, I was able to stack all the lumber and plywood in the roll-off bins tightly. IIRC, I got it all in 2 bins. I started burning the wood at first until I got a complaint from a neighbor and that ended the burning. Would have taken another bin otherwise. I did get a few decent $$ from all the scrap copper wiring and pipe. The end cost of the demo was just the cost of the bins and they took all the stuff to a recycle place so didn't get whacked with high tipping fees at the dump.
Doing the demo myself wasn't all that difficult. I didn't have to deal with lath and plaster tho. I have in several other houses in the past and that is a nasty and dusty job. Wear a respirator.
I would consider salvaging lumber but only if you can de-nail it. That will be difficult if the wood is hard and/or nails are rusty. Lumber is likely full dimension. A mill will not plane old lumber if there is even a hint of a single nail in the wood. There is a demand for old lumber - it is likely first growth with tight grain and no knots. I restored an 1880s house once that had douglas fir siding and it was as good as the day it was sawn into siding. Just can't find that stuff anymore.
When I took the permit out for the new house, I had to post a $5K bond that I would tear down the old house once the new one was occupied. I didn't want to pay the cost of a demo permit (required here) and went ahead with the tear down. When it was about 1/2 demo'd, the township contacted me saying they wanted to investigate the house to see if it had heritage value and would have to be kept intact. They even sent someone out to take photos. You'd think they woulda checked this before insisting on a bond to to ensure I demo it... Ended up getting the bond back no problem.
Be careful as you reduce the structure to framing. You may need to add some temporary bracing.
You might consider a CL ad for people to come and remove items for salvage if they do the removal themselves. Just make sure you have workers comp. coverage or coverage in your homeowner's insur. policy in case of an injury (or worse).
You can hire casual help off CL as long as you contact your local workers compensation board and get coverage for any workers you hire. It's based on the payroll that you report. Never hire anyone or company to work on your property if they don't have workers comp. coverage. That applies to a company as well. Always phone and ask if their premiums are paid and up to date and have the required certificate/clearance letter.
I would go with doing the demo yourself. I torn down a really sh*tty 1000 sq. ft. 50s single story house on our property after building a new house on it. That was 8 years ago and got quotes of around $5K to get someone to come in and do it. I decided not to throw out that kind of cash and did the demo myself. Hardest part was the roof because of several layers of asphalt shingles and the thousands of shingle nails everywhere. Otherwise, swinging a sledge hammer around wasn't all that hard. Because I did the work by hand, I was able to stack all the lumber and plywood in the roll-off bins tightly. IIRC, I got it all in 2 bins. I started burning the wood at first until I got a complaint from a neighbor and that ended the burning. Would have taken another bin otherwise. I did get a few decent $$ from all the scrap copper wiring and pipe. The end cost of the demo was just the cost of the bins and they took all the stuff to a recycle place so didn't get whacked with high tipping fees at the dump.
Doing the demo myself wasn't all that difficult. I didn't have to deal with lath and plaster tho. I have in several other houses in the past and that is a nasty and dusty job. Wear a respirator.
I would consider salvaging lumber but only if you can de-nail it. That will be difficult if the wood is hard and/or nails are rusty. Lumber is likely full dimension. A mill will not plane old lumber if there is even a hint of a single nail in the wood. There is a demand for old lumber - it is likely first growth with tight grain and no knots. I restored an 1880s house once that had douglas fir siding and it was as good as the day it was sawn into siding. Just can't find that stuff anymore.
When I took the permit out for the new house, I had to post a $5K bond that I would tear down the old house once the new one was occupied. I didn't want to pay the cost of a demo permit (required here) and went ahead with the tear down. When it was about 1/2 demo'd, the township contacted me saying they wanted to investigate the house to see if it had heritage value and would have to be kept intact. They even sent someone out to take photos. You'd think they woulda checked this before insisting on a bond to to ensure I demo it... Ended up getting the bond back no problem.
Be careful as you reduce the structure to framing. You may need to add some temporary bracing.
You might consider a CL ad for people to come and remove items for salvage if they do the removal themselves. Just make sure you have workers comp. coverage or coverage in your homeowner's insur. policy in case of an injury (or worse).
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