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So it looks like reality is about to set in and I finally after several possible iterations, my house and garage will finally get started! With that being said I am a General Contractor here in the Pensacola, Florida area and will be building the house with favors from Subcontractors, friends and of course family. I am hopeful that this will be the beginning of many great projects since I will finally have an area to work in. Besides being a General Contractor I have a side gig consisting of custom golf club sales and repair. A portion of the garage area will be set aside for a golf simulator and work shop. I would like to eventually venture down the path of a project car at some point but that will definitely have to wait until after the house is completed.



The lot we have is located on a golf course, and prior to Hurricane Ivan had a house on it. Following Ivan the house was demolished and sat on the market for several years prior to us picking it up at a steeply discounted rate. We intended to build immediately, but the bank felt that my previous employer was more of a temp agency than a large government contractor. This turned out to be a blessing in disguise. Following the bank rejecting our loan we had our second son on the way, and I ended up getting laid off and starting my own company. Now that things have settled down a bit it is time!



First order of business is to get the plans in hand. This has been a long aggravating process as the designer we chose, who I know better than to have chose, has taken 12 weeks to make a few small changes to a house plan that has been used in the past. The other hurdle has been coming up with a foundation and structural plan for the first floor since it is in an AE Flood zone. We are not 100% sure this will be out forever home, so we want to build for our current needs, an do it as financially responsible as possible. We had the option to go with pilings, however we can build without the extra cost and do traditional framing as long as we use flood resistant materials (treated lumber treated and plywood for example). The second part of that is a strong desire to keep everything if possible on one floor. We were able to do this but luckily we have the lot that would allow for the larger footprint. The best part of that scenario is i basically have a first floor garage in the 3500 sqft range. With a full size truck, mid size SUV and a golf cart this should leave plenty of space to utilize for project and golf workshop and simulator.



Below you will find the Garage layout and Floor plans to give you an idea of what we are working with. The garage unfortunately is not the priority so I will be looking for input on as we go on things you guys might do if it was your garage to keep costs down but make it an effective work and play area! As of now the plan for the floors will be polished concrete, and also based on projected budget I may have to do interior wall finishes after construction. I will have 10' clear underneath, so I plan on Liftmaster 8500 openers.



If any of you want to know more about the living areas or in general I would be more than happy to answer your questions. This will be an in progress update as we go as we just submitted for permitting. I hope to have the lot cleared in the next two weeks and foundation pad put in place while we wait!



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Looks like an interesting project! I like the layout! Man what a massive garage space. I like how you can partition off one side for shop, and leave the other side for daily use - cars, bikes, mower, etc. Think about how you're going to use the garage and go ahead and put in whatever doors you think you might want. Perhaps a french door or oversize door on the other garage as well - maybe something that could accommodate a golf cart/mower so you wouldn't have to move the cars out of the garage to access them?

Will be interesting to see this come together. Best wishes to you during the project.
 
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Thanks for the input! We haven’t decided just yet if we are going to have both vehicles on the side with two garage doors and the golf cart over in the far right side where I intend to put my workshop and simulator. I’ll put my possible layout up in just a bit. Haven’t been able to relax long enough lately to sit down and do a real detailed layout.


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Looks like tomorrow we will see some dirt work start! Will be a good day! Forgot I have a couple on my phone of the property from some drone shots we had done!a84a7a346f9dbc607e5901475163f631.jpg0495b24387eef4d2028ee7647e1d434e.jpg

Back of house will look out over the golf course and front of house will be in the Culdesac.


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I appreciate that! Looking forward to getting it going. I forgot to mention we are going to try and get it done quick. We actually sold our other house without putting it on the market and decided to live in large 5th wheel during the build. Unfortunately after purchasing a one year old 5th wheel in outstanding condition it has made us all sick after 5 days and we are moving into an apartment, so the lease is really short.

Working out of the house with my General Contractors business during the love has been somewhat easy however it is putting a huge dent in my side gig with the golf club repair and nowhere to work on clubs. I’m
More than ready for life to be back to normal.


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Oh I'm sure and good luck with getting it done quick. Not sure how bad Hurricane Michael messed up the subcontractors in Florida but here in NC after Florence getting a sub to do anything on time is a miracle.
 
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Other than price increases right now I haven’t experienced an issue with my
Main subcontractors as I have a core group I use that didn’t chase the work down in Panama City. The problem however is the behind the scenes items like permitting and surveying. Everyone is 3 weeks out. Permit office is backed up like crazy and we aren’t dealing with hurricane work.

We did have our first issue with permitting today and had to make a change to the house orientation on the lot. Was an easy change and should be in the right hands tomorrow morning!b2a53997a634c8506fdb8227232ff8e1.jpg


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Can't put a value on a good group of subs. Everyone here at the moment is first come first serve. My neighbor called around for some fence work last month and was told October-November by everyone. I had carpet installed last month by a group of guys doing some side work because all of the flooring contractors are booked 3-4 months out.
 
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Well we made a little progress today! Lot was scraped and root raked, and we received unanimous approval from the HOA Architectural Review Committee. Now we just wait for the county to approve our foundation permit while waiting on full approval. We have the surveyor set up to set building corners early next week and bring in full for our pad. 884e4415ccb4074ab7770e351889c981.jpg


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Had a little more progress today, and got the corners set for the foundation. Will have fill brought in the next couple of days and hopefully the foundation permit will be back so we can really get this party started! Had to run up to the local permitting office today as they had a couple of questions on items that my absolutely worthless drawing guy left off the plans have I mentioned that they totally ****! The majority of the questions they had are a result of redundant details or multiple details that could encompass the same area of work (ie. the foundation drawing have both a stem wall foundation and turn down footing). Makes it so much more difficult for the building officials. Hopefully I have them all squared away and they can get them approved quickly for us!564a8cd33200d25681d2780bcf5156fa.jpg


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Getting closer to some actual construction. Picked up the Foundation permit and we are tentatively schedule to start next week. I had to get with our house designer to make a couple of small changes in the foundation plans, but those will be submitted for review by the end of the week and should not be a delay for the foundation work!

We are trying to decide if we frame this sucker our selves and save some more or piece it out. My normal subcontractors are so busy he is trying to make a small fortune off of me and that doesn’t sit to well with me for our future working together. With that being said if anybody in the Pensacola area wants to help swing a hammer in the next couple of weeks I’ll be looking for help!4cc5601129388716b3e28cfaad8dc0e3.jpg


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So as we get closer I would like to ask a. Few questions about some items we are going to need for the project. With the ground floor garage being below base flood elevation I can’t have the multitude of outlets and air valves you guys have in your shops. I’m planning to have at least one air hose reel and one electrical cord reel in each of the 3 work areas. Because the ceilings are 10’ I’m going to have to have available for my wife and kids access to these items a cord of some type to make them easy to access but not be in the way.

In my previous shop I had just a standard 25’ cord reel for electrical and I had a 40’ diablo hose reel from harbor freight. I’m thinking I’d be ok with a couple of more of the Diablo air hose reels, but the electrical reels are definitely my biggest concern. The other issue is do they make a 220 electric reel as I plan on learning how to weld and also for a possible larger compressor.

Thanks in advance guys this one is going to have some challenges and looking forward to everyone’s help!


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Looks like tomorrow is finally the day we break ground! Foundation work begins at 8:30. This will be a monolithic slab pour with 4” thickness and 24” deep footers with 3 #5 in the bottom of the footings with a vertical bar extending up and into the slab every 6’ a minimum of 6’. This in combination of fibermesh concrete should make an extremely stable foundation for the two story framed house. I haven’t been this excited about a build in a while, but I know with it will come more stress than any others I build to sell or for people. Should have it formed up tomorrow and rebar and prep for inspection should take a couple of days. Headed to get plumbing and electrical permits tomorrow so can get that roughed in as well.


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Why not do electrical at 4ft or above? I've seen designs that save the cuts on the lower sheet rock and occasionally add an access panel between full sheets. I'd consider water resistant rock on the lower side as well. Again, not positive, I believe there are products that resist immersion that install as sheet rock. Looking forward to following along!
 
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Unfortunately due to code I can only have minimal electrical (light switches) below the free board height of 13’ which will be roughly 8’ off of the slab. Trust me I’d love to have everything at normal height, but I have to play the cards I’m dealt.

I have been doing research on the 220v cord reals and I’m definitely not going that route, so I have to figure out some options there.

As far as drywall I will have to do the ceiling now but we are monitoring the budget and the walls may wait a bit or we may go another direction. We aren’t real sure about that yet.


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Finally have a bit more progress today! Been a long two weeks getting the slab ready but we passed all inspections with flying colors. Today despite Mother Nature throwing a wrench in our plans they poured the slab today. 81 yards in the mono pour of 3000 psi with fiber mesh. Between the verticals in the slab every 6 feet extending 8 feet in the slab. 3 number 5 rebar in the 24x24 footers I don’t think we are going to have an issue with cracking other than where we want it to.

Tomorrow we will place our (8) CMU piers. Should be 13.5 courses high each, 2 block squares. While that is going on we will be laying everything out for framing on Thursday. Hoping that in two weeks pending weather we should have a shell. If we play our cards right the windows and doors hopefully come in ahead of schedule. If we can get those here we stand a chance of getting it done before Christmas.


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Got a little more done today. Our crazy engineer spec’d saw cuts every 5’ in each direction so they got that done today. We also were told an incorrect position to place our temporary power pole by the local utility so we moved that and set up another inspection with the county. Once they come out we can finally get temp power.

My dad and I started on interior wall layout and put the block work for the interior piers off a couple of days so that we can match the block work to the exterior walls to set our beams. Tomorrow we will have a crew of 5 on site to begin framing and hopefully they can get a good start before floor joists arrive Friday. I did not get many pictures today as I had to leave before they finished the saw cutting to go and pick up my wife after a car accident. Good news is she is fine, the car not so much. I will update more as we go but this ones garage space really has me excited!5783fbf61ade3ca98c66339ba04655b7.jpg41be37c583e8ac469e09020ad2f2074a.jpg


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This is going to be fun to watch come together from your perspective, since you're a GC. Sorry to hear about your wife's accident, but I am glad that she is OK.

Best of luck with the build - I'll be following along!
 
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I appreciate the thoughts. Unfortunately she seems fine but she is having her gall bladder removed tomorrow so we decided for her to go to the emergency room to get checked out just in case. I’m sitting here at the house while the two boys get in bed for school tomorrow. I’m
Hoping to get some in progress shots tomorrow afternoon.

It’s definitely frustrating to build your own. For example I am in the process of getting a builders risk policy and they won’t allow me to use the construction cost to value the policy. I have to have a completed value done by an appraiser. I flat told them that I was not coming out of pocket for an appraisal on a house I am building out of pocket so we agreed upon an estimated sale price from a realtor buddy who gave us a low ball estimate for the area that helped.

On the other hand it will allow me to self perform the electrical, plumbing, and anything else I choose as the home owner. Amazes me I can do those things as a homeowner but not on my custom homes for clients. Either way this one allows me to save some money doing those things.

I’m a picky guy, but by the time my wife and 10 year old walk through this one a million times the QC on this one will be out of control.


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I didn’t get out today so no pictures, but we have several first floor walls! Have a new crew starting on framing and looks like they are gonna need a little time to gel as a group. Overall it was a good day and tomorrow we are scheduled for our interior 16x16 CMU block piers. Purposefully held off on these until
Some of the walls were up so we can match the wall height with the block based off of our beam dimensions. Can’t wait to get out there tomorrow and get some pictures and get a feel for the inside height.


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Was able to get out to the site today and the crew made some good progress. We have decided to put together a rag tag framing crew with the help of a staffing agency. Our subcontractors have been trying to take advantage of us lately and it was time to try something different. My dad is also my partner in our construction company and although his time is mainly spent on the consulting portion of our business he has been on the site the last two days as a superintendent and he has pushed the guys pretty hard. After two days we can say that the ground floor is basically finished and ready for our 16” floor trusses are ready to be placed and the wall sheathing for the first floor blocked and placed. You can see in the pictures that we left out the front walls where the two garage doors will be so we can run the lull inside and set the trusses. That picture was actually from earlier in the day and it doesn’t show the beams in place.

We went ahead and set the LVL beams today and the Mason will be on site to install the CMU block piers on Monday. This should make it easier on him since he has a finished height to match too. He also has to place the 5 rear columns that will support the rear upstairs wall. While he is working on that we will have a lull on site to set the floor trusses and get started on the subfloor. We are optimistic that by this time next week that we will have all the 2nd story walls in place and I think we have decided to bring in our framing crew to set the roof trusses and do the roof sheathing. If that happens I would be one happy guy!

I will say as I walk through the ground floor the garage is going to be huuuuge! I can’t wait to see the upstairs living portion of the house. cf1cf897f5df19791057a378904fcf7a.jpg357ca00bec5a8e8d654355bcc84bcacf.jpg


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Weather has absolutely sucked and I haven’t been good at taking pictures so far. That will change going forward.

As of this afternoon the majority of the flor trusses are in place and we will finish setting the small trusses tomorrow after we build a couple of the remaining small walls downstairs. Once that is done we will start floor decking. Every piece will be glued with subfloor epoxy and screwed with 2” quickdrive screws. For subfloors we are using 3/4” advance ha which should give us an absolutely rock solid floor and with the epoxy and screws a squeak free floor. Hopefully by Friday we will be well on our way to getting the 2nd floor walls up and ready for roof trusses.

One of the ways we have attempted to save money on the job is to reach out to a skilled labor service and they have provided about 4 pretty solid guys that are learning as we go but are good workers. With that being said with proper supervision I can say they have done a great job so far, however I do not believe that I want them 2 stories up setting roof trusses and sheathing the roof so we will hire that portion out. The trusses are rather simple 5/12 pitch all hip roof but I just don’t want to risk these guys getting hurt so we will sub that portion.

We did have another minor setback this morning with our block mason. We have the 8 16x16 piers that have to be set and he was politely asked to leave the property this morning after complaining of substandard work on the walls and beams. He also complained of some bracing being in the way. With that being said the bracing which wouldn’t even be there had he shown up when he was supposed to could have been moved in a matter of minutes. In regards to the substandard work on the walls and beams each wall was measured as plum and all dimensions were within 3/8” prior to the floor trusses being installed and that 3/8” was corrected prior to nail. The beam in question was also temporarily supported so he could lay his block to it and we could square and level to it. It’s amazing how people throw stones when they don’t want to work. I don’t take kindly to questioning our workmanship and he won’t be asked back. Funny thing is his last comment on the way out was he couldn’t make any money on the block job. No but I guarantee he would have made money off the 18,000 brick to be installed had he not shown his ****! I’ll throw some pictures up tomorrow!


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Weather has absolutely sucked and I haven’t been good at taking pictures so far. That will change going forward.

As of this afternoon the majority of the flor trusses are in place and we will finish setting the small trusses tomorrow after we build a couple of the remaining small walls downstairs. Once that is done we will start floor decking. Every piece will be glued with subfloor epoxy and screwed with 2” quickdrive screws. For subfloors we are using 3/4” advance ha which should give us an absolutely rock solid floor and with the epoxy and screws a squeak free floor. Hopefully by Friday we will be well on our way to getting the 2nd floor walls up and ready for roof trusses.

One of the ways we have attempted to save money on the job is to reach out to a skilled labor service and they have provided about 4 pretty solid guys that are learning as we go but are good workers. With that being said with proper supervision I can say they have done a great job so far, however I do not believe that I want them 2 stories up setting roof trusses and sheathing the roof so we will hire that portion out. The trusses are rather simple 5/12 pitch all hip roof but I just don’t want to risk these guys getting hurt so we will sub that portion.

We did have another minor setback this morning with our block mason. We have the 8 16x16 piers that have to be set and he was politely asked to leave the property this morning after complaining of substandard work on the walls and beams. He also complained of some bracing being in the way. With that being said the bracing which wouldn’t even be there had he shown up when he was supposed to could have been moved in a matter of minutes. In regards to the substandard work on the walls and beams each wall was measured as plum and all dimensions were within 3/8” prior to the floor trusses being installed and that 3/8” was corrected prior to nail. The beam in question was also temporarily supported so he could lay his block to it and we could square and level to it. It’s amazing how people throw stones when they don’t want to work. I don’t take kindly to questioning our workmanship and he won’t be asked back. Funny thing is his last comment on the way out was he couldn’t make any money on the block job. No but I guarantee he would have made money off the 18,000 brick to be installed had he not shown his ****! I’ll throw some pictures up tomorrow!


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I bet he'll be kicking himself for that one. Unfortunately, here on the coast of NC the masons can ask for just about what ever price they want. The shortage of skilled labor is so bad at the moment the foreman are acting like corporate world head hunters in the gas station parking lots. You'll see a crew at one job site one week and then the next week half the crew is on another site working for a completely different sub-contractor.
 

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why not install electrical outlets at your 8' height requirement then buy a few of those multi-outlet shop surge protectors and mount them at 4' height (or whatever the cord will reach to - this one has 6' cord)?

https://www.lowes.com/pd/PRIME-10-Outlet-1500-Joules-Surge-Protector/50213043

that or a bunch of outlets in the ceiling with dropdown reels, you may have mentioned that, saw the comment about the 220v reel.
 
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I bet he'll be kicking himself for that one. Unfortunately, here on the coast of NC the masons can ask for just about what ever price they want. The shortage of skilled labor is so bad at the moment the foreman are acting like corporate world head hunters in the gas station parking lots. You'll see a crew at one job site one week and then the next week half the crew is on another site working for a completely different sub-contractor.



Unfortunately he won’t. It’s so busy around here he won’t miss my one job, however I’ll make it darn sure he misses future ones too!


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Kudos for using 2x6 studs. Looks like it will be a very neat house.



Only way to go anymore, for strength, stability, and insulation properties. Once I get the BIB system in place on the living floor and the spray foam on the roof deck and floor system this place should be very efficient.


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why not install electrical outlets at your 8' height requirement then buy a few of those multi-outlet shop surge protectors and mount them at 4' height (or whatever the cord will reach to - this one has 6' cord)?

https://www.lowes.com/pd/PRIME-10-Outlet-1500-Joules-Surge-Protector/50213043

that or a bunch of outlets in the ceiling with dropdown reels, you may have mentioned that, saw the comment about the 220v reel.



Working these options in my head and there just isn’t a real good option in my opinion. I like to try and keep things clutter free and the multiple outlet cords would drive me nuts.

Also seeing the outlets at 8’ would drive me nuts. I’m going to get the elevation set on the walls once we are completed with framing downstairs and that way I can decide what I am going to do since I do have a couple of areas I’d like to set TV’s eventually.

I’m feeling better about the drop down reels throughout the garage with the exception of the 220v. I am allowed to have minimal switches down there in the flood zone.




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We had a bit slower day today. We got the headers installed for the garage doors across the front and we can due them down once we get the templates made for the arches. We also had a couple of smaller load bearing walls at the stairs that needed to be framed up prior to setting the remainder of the floor trusses. We have one more wall tomorrow and move one interior door and we should be able to install the rest of the trusses and get the two rows of sheathing on the front walls and start our decking. We do have to make sure our floor trusses are plumb and level so we can get the bracing done and get the bridging in before decking. I foresee the decking being started and it being completed Friday. I would have liked to get a little more done today but we only had the lull around for half the day. Positive is over 50% of decking is loaded up top so not handing loading up the majority of the decking.

We chose to go with 3/4” Advantech glued and screwed so the floor should be strong and quiet once installed! Can’t wait to try out the new toys once we start. 8812f1287a5fb28137ab8b50d3525791.jpgd721f658f08eb6ebb007cb19e6654541.jpgf9455fc8a5934c428eb34dd835fa9e13.jpg367096c8492caa4795d3653fabaae723.jpg1d504abbaa54e7bfca418dfe128c4ab1.jpg


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Getting closer to some actual construction. Picked up the Foundation permit and we are tentatively schedule to start next week. I had to get with our house designer to make a couple of small changes in the foundation plans, but those will be submitted for review by the end of the week and should not be a delay for the foundation work!

We are trying to decide if we frame this sucker our selves and save some more or piece it out. My normal subcontractors are so busy he is trying to make a small fortune off of me and that doesn’t sit to well with me for our future working together. With that being said if anybody in the Pensacola area wants to help swing a hammer in the next couple of weeks I’ll be looking for help!4cc5601129388716b3e28cfaad8dc0e3.jpg


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Hey, great build idea. Any updates?
 

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Only way to go anymore, for strength, stability, and insulation properties. Once I get the BIB system in place on the living floor and the spray foam on the roof deck and floor system this place should be very efficient.


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I'm not familiar with that but sounds like a layer of mesh to capture blown in insulation?

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I'm not familiar with that but sounds like a layer of mesh to capture blown in insulation?

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Exactly! We have done it in our past spec homes and it works great. But does allow the house to breathe a little and keeps us from
Having to introduce air into the house.


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Another good day of work, updates and pictures will look very similar but we got all downstairs walls plumb and level and finished floor trusses and started out subfloor. Looks like will be a long day tomorrow in the direct sunlight and then depending on what the forecast for Dorian looks like we will do a little site cleanup and storm preparation just in case.

It also looks like we will have a block mason on site tomorrow to start our CMU block piers which will allow us to finish the trusses on the back of the house. If all goes well we should be 100% subfloor by Tuesday or Wednesday of next week with second story walls starting. I would like to see enough walls upstairs by the end of next week to bring in the truss crew and get the roof decked.

I did take some pictures today of the interior of the downstairs showing the space we will have. It’s pretty massive and my wife is going to love the downstairs foyer area that we can build out as a mud room type area and keep backpacks and shoes and such in. 9c77b76d5c1e166537a64c0bed5a735a.jpg

The first pictures shows the south side garage area. 14’ wide by 41’ deep.

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Second pictures shows the foyer area looking at the stair wall and towards the front entry door on the bottom porch. 3-0 8-0 doors.

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Third pictures shows looking from
The French doors in the middle back
Of the house looking at the south side garage.

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Fourth pictures show front porch entry door looking back into stair wall.

Tomorrow I will snap some
Pictures of the double side which is roughly 41’ deep and is a double bag with one 10’ door and one 9’ door. The garage area in this place is huge with the 10’ ceilings. I’m drooling thinking of the possibilities.


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Well I didn’t get to do any updates the last two days because basically all that has happened is subfloor decking. We had the block crew come in yesterday and today and get our piers set ready for rebar inspection. Once that’s done Wednesday morning we can fill them and get the beams set in permanent. Crew that did the work did a good job and actually cleaned up after themselves. ae1d8b637a57b05ce979f8736e560270.jpgf193858aa1fe93eb66bda4745582b8bf.jpg

With these in place it will allow us to get moving on the subfloor and also allow me a little more space for materials storage for second floor materials. More updates this week!


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Hello from Tallahassee. Looks like you’ll have a really nice place. How’s it feel to be the customer and dealing with contractors. Lol.
I was going to ask about using metal studs on the ground floor but I assume wood is lower cost. In my shop the previous owner used same floor joists and glued decking that you’re using. Was a solid floor but what a b&@$h to tear out. Look forward to seeing your build progression.


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