The HEXtension

[Shaun_Logica]

Although not hex shaped the full length of the extension, Toptul's wobble plus extensions have a hex shaped area around the female square drive end. Great for finger spinning or in a confined space, let you use a ratcheting wrench instead of a ratchet.

Yeah I saw those too. But convenience of reaching the square reliefs are not always there. Having everything HEXed really helps and the grip is much better overall.

The wobble would be a good idea for another version thanks for the info.

 

[RCman]

I'm another interested in one.
$10-15 for an overseas/China version would have to be my max and I would think hard before buying.
$30-40 for a USA made and I wouldn't think twice and have an order in already if possible.

 

[bushmechanic]

Being able to slip a wrench anywhere along an extension to apply torque will be a massive leap in convenience. You need to work up a few illustrations of use examples to be sure people "get it".

I've already thought of many ways to use that thing that would save me quite a bit of trouble.

I want some. Where's the notification list?

 

[jim1987]

They'd have to be hf prices for me.
I can grind flats on an extension if these are any more cost than a normal extension.
Price wise they have no added value to me.

Not beating you, just giving you an opinion different than "me too".
The patent will be hard to enforce against chinese distributors.
You'll have a couple of months at best before clones hit the market at half your price.

This makes me thing of something else. Socket cap adapters. The slip in 10,13 and 19mm wrenches. I'm just a diyer and have never found the use for them. But for $10, they're in the box. I just can't rap my head around where these come in handy.

 

[bushmechanic]

My little bit of advice:

Don't put too much stock into the opinions of a pile of enthusiasts on a website.

Retail price is a variable in an equation that must be solved, not a number pulled out of a forum. If you cater to people like us, you'll end up catering to nobody.

 

[Shaun_Logica]

This hex extension would allow me to put a spark plug socket on my vette and use this extension to break it loose. A ratchet head is too big to fit the confines and the 13/16 won't catch the edge of socket,.but a 8mm wrench will grab that extension.

Same with a seat bolt I have.

Lots of uses...and a "why not" factor if same priced as standard extension.

Yep. It's always possible to grind away at an old extension too. Just not as clean.

It's something different and that's what we were shooting for.

Patents aside, yeah knockoff's are always a consideration, but you just have to take a chance sometimes. If you don't, you never know what could be.

 

[DHCrocks]

There are 2 versions. One 100mm and a shorter 50mm.

that is only 4" and 2" long, shouldn't you be making longer ones?

 

[Shaun_Logica]

For now the application is for confined areas. Longer extensions are a good idea, but don't fit the immediate need.
You can always link a longer extension first and then this extension, as I would not assume you needed confined access ability along the entire length of the extension.

 

[Shaun_Logica]

Thanks for all the PM's guys, everyone that does will be on the immediate stock notification list.

Everyone's input is great and thanks for the support.

 

[Wingnut65]

I see possibilities where I could use one. I've stripped one C'man and one HF ratchet already trying to get more torque. This could save me the warranty replacement trips to the stores...

 

[superautobacs]

In addition to Toptul (and other Taiwanese brands), there's also Triangle Tools with this:

It's simply two flats that spans the length of the extension. It's use is limited, and useless in confined spaces as you need a full 90* sweep to able to work with it. Your Hextension will be much more useful.

 

[Bigblue&Goldie]

This makes me thing of something else. Socket cap adapters. The slip in 10,13 and 19mm wrenches. I'm just a diyer and have never found the use for them. But for $10, they're in the box. I just can't rap my head around where these come in handy.

Like these?
http://www.sears.com/craftsman-3-pc-socket-cap-set/p-00943303000P?prdNo=2&blockNo=2&blockType=G2

 

[454ragtop]

Maybe it's me, but I don't see a real advantage to these. I have a ton of extensions, of varying brands, which gives me different lengths, and can't see where a wrench would fit, but a compact ratchet or breaker bar wouldn't. Funny though, I do have something similar that goes in an air chisel, with a wrench to turn it as you shock it, but don't remember ever using it.
Good luck, Jim

 

[jim1987]

Like these?
http://www.sears.com/craftsman-3-pc-socket-cap-set/p-00943303000P?prdNo=2&blockNo=2&blockType=G2

Yes. But the ones I have are kobalt, looks just a little different in design. The kobalts have a retaining ring of sorts to snap into place, and also have a quick release button on them. But same concept as the link.

 

[Andrew_Logica]

Hey guys, thanks for your continued enthusiasm. Lots of good questions and comments to take into consideration. Right now we're focused on two things: getting our first units sorted, and then moving production to the USA. Don't stop making recommendations like offering different lengths or finishes, though. It can only help us improve on the product so we can give you what you need.

I agree different people are going to see different levels of usefulness in the tool, but that's what I love about working on cars. Everyone has a unique approach to a problem, and I'm always blown away by what people come up with.

Tonight I'll be continuing work on an updated website for the company and dealing with a pricing structure. Shaun and I will also be doing more work to track everyone who is messaging and emailing to get on the order list.

Thanks again!

 

[Andrew_Logica]

Forgot to mention as well: better photos and videos will come just as soon as the production units arrive. We'll make sure everyone can see them in action so they can make an informed purchase.

 

[rick carpenter]

I have a suggestion if it's not too late. Make the hex shank as large as possible so that the socket has more area of a flat "collar" to seat against. I really dislike the sloped "shoulders" on the Brand X extension shown in the pic.

 

[Bigblue&Goldie]

Maybe it's me, but I don't see a real advantage to these. I have a ton of extensions, of varying brands, which gives me different lengths, and can't see where a wrench would fit, but a compact ratchet or breaker bar wouldn't. Funny though, I do have something similar that goes in an air chisel, with a wrench to turn it as you shock it, but don't remember ever using it.
Good luck, Jim

I'm with you on this. It seems to me that if you have a wrench hanging halfway down the side of the extension, you could just use the proper length extension.

I would have to find a specific task that I would need this to complete the job. For a random odd job, I would probably just weld a nut onto an extension.

Not knocking the tool or company, but I think they are really going to have to cater to a niche market by figuring out specific tasks the extension is invaluable for.

 

[Shaun_Logica]

I'm with you on this. It seems to me that if you have a wrench hanging halfway down the side of the extension, you could just use the proper length extension.

I would have to find a specific task that I would need this to complete the job. For a random odd job, I would probably just weld a nut onto an extension.

Not knocking the tool or company, but I think they are really going to have to cater to a niche market by figuring out specific tasks the extension is invaluable for.

Good to see a fellow Arizonan. I'm probably just down the freeway from you in Chandler. You are welcome anytime for a free beer

Understood about the concerns. It's really meant to be a tool in your toolbox you can reach for it you have an issue. For some it may be a total replacement, for other's just an occasional, while other's may never see a need.

In fact, my original prototype idea was just a threaded shaft with nuts all the way down... Not pretty but it get's the concept design through to those you are trying to convey the idea to.

 

[The Frisco Kid]

5-10 if China, 20-25 for USA? That could change depending on material used...

 

[Andrew_Logica]

I have a suggestion if it's not too late. Make the hex shank as large as possible so that the socket has more area of a flat "collar" to seat against. I really dislike the sloped "shoulders" on the Brand X extension shown in the pic.

Rick, I'm not sure which hex portion you're referring to. Or do you mean where your socket would fit on the end of the extension? Sorry, I'm trying to work websites, answer forum questions, and drink Scotch.

 

[Givl Reggin]

Final units will have a black oxide coating.

Black coating to me signifies impact rated - I'd prefer chrome one for it's rust resistance and ease of cleaning.

 

[Bigblue&Goldie]

Good to see a fellow Arizonan. I'm probably just down the freeway from you in Chandler. You are welcome anytime for a free beer

Understood about the concerns. It's really meant to be a tool in your toolbox you can reach for it you have an issue. For some it may be a total replacement, for other's just an occasional, while other's may never see a need.

In fact, my original prototype idea was just a threaded shaft with nuts all the way down... Not pretty but it get's the concept design through to those you are trying to convey the idea to.

Cool man, glad you are local!

Trust me, I'm not knocking your product as I think it has merit. I personally view it as a specialty tool. If nothing else, the hex shape would've been handy when I was changing my spark plugs the other day as I could've more easily hand tightened the plugs with the extra grip.

I wish you guys nothing but the best. I would try to get some in the hands of local tool trucks.

 

[Jason280]

Looks like an interesting idea, I'd be down for a set.

 

[Shaun_Logica]

Looks like an interesting idea, I'd be down for a set.

And your avatar...wins.

Send me a PM and I'll put you on the first to notify list.

 

[Shaun_Logica]

As an update we will launch a new website tomorrow evening. It should clean things up a little. We can also share some new CNC pics of the new production model.

 

[MattPersman]

40 bucks for the 3/8 set USA, 30 for the 1/4 set USA. Half if china.

 

[Dave455]

Shaun,

I think you have a good idea and I wish you all the best. When so many tool manufacturers are disappearing or being bought out it's essential that some 'new blood' comes along to redress the situation!

I will, however, without in any way wishing to 'piss on your strawberries' offer some advice:-

Almost the first question you were asked concerned the country of origin! Your answer was perfectly valid, but I think you somewhat missed the point. While I have no doubt that some folks want to buy American made tools (and drive American muscle) simply because they are American, the majority know that the issue is far more important than that, namely that making a tool in the U.S. is the best way to obtain a high quality item!

Tools, especially relatively specialist items such as this, generally fall into two groups. The first are made by small specialist firms to a high standard, and sold in small numbers over a long period of time, generally to professionals at whatever price it costs!

The second group tend to get "outsourced" at the earliest opportunity, generally to the cheapest place in the universe. They end up being sold as little more than 'novelties' and usually leave in their wake a lot of DIY'ers who chuck it in the trash, and a few pro's who feel frustrated they can't get a decent one! I think your idea deserves better than to wind up in the second group!

You may feel, as many others have before, that by manufactuing in China or wherever, you can control the quality and get what your customers want! Believe me, you'll struggle! I have seen products, especially tools, being outsourced for over 30 years and not one of them, NOT ONE, was ever to the same standard as before, and many will not even perform the function they are supposed to.

For that reason alone, I no longer buy tools made in China, and I regret that will include yours! If you are able to get them made 'somewhere sensible' (U.S, U.K, Germany - it actually doesn't matter so long as it's somewhere that can turn out decent tools) you can put me down for a set!

Good luck!

 

[NUTTSGT]

When you state "overseas" does that mean China ? I know everybody is assuming that but it would be nice for some clarification.

When you get things worked out and the production is USA, let me know.


Hopefully nobody comes right along and rips off your design. . . . . . PM on it's way.

 

[Farmall450]

Hey Guys,

Trust me I want a USA made tool. I like to drive nothing but American Muscle (except my Aussie GTO lol). We are working on new manufacturing soon. It's really a cost thing for guys getting started.

For now it is a full CNC body (no dulled edges) via overseas. The hardened steel is made on a full 4-axis machine job so no welded or "pulled" parts. It increases cost, but the tolerances are kept much tighter.

We will always offer a money back guarantee.

We kept the only bevel at the top where there is a 18mm circular section that retains a 15mm wrench on top. The center section is for resetting a box wrench in confined areas.

There are 2 versions. One 100mm and a shorter 50mm.

Send me PM's so I can keep track of those interested when the first production is in.

Thanks for your support guys.

Get back to me when you move production over here, thanks!

 

[isr2kba]

PM incoming to get on waiting list.

Geez. At least a quarter of my tools fall into the category of "solution waiting for problem".

If I waited for the problem to present itself before procuring every solution, I'd lose all kinds of time.

 

[tube_guy]

If it's not made in the USA, I'm not really interested in it and would never seek it out to buy. Even if it was very cheap. Like under $3. It also seems that getting things started in China, if that's where it's produced, and then moving production back to the USA is quite backwards to me. All you're doing is creating some lower priced Chinese competition at the start when your supplier starts making your parts for themselves or someone else on their off hours. I see that sort of thing all the time, so it must be very common. And if these were made in the USA, you'd probably have product available to sell right now.

 

[bwringer]

I love it. I'm in for one if the price isn't totally ricockulous. I'm in for two if you also make a wobble version later on.


Don't let this crowd of nattering negative nitpickers get you down.


One advantage I haven't seen mentioned is those times when you need to apply even torque to something.

Normally, you have to somehow compensate for a side load when you use an extension. Sometimes this is very difficult when you can't get both hands in there. And sometimes there are issues with the fastener (stuck, damaged, etc.) that require you to be somewhat gentle.

What you could do with this is stick a wrench on the hex at 180 degrees from your ratchet, basically creating a giant t-handle -- one where you could adjust the angles and placement up and down the shaft as needed to clear obstructions as it turns.

If a black oxide finish helps keep the price down, fine with me. Maybe paint a stripe on it so it's clearer it's not impact rated. Despite the howls of the tool polishers, chrome doesn't really work on things with sharp edges like this anyway. Some sort of plated finish would be fine with me. And be proud of the tooling marks -- no need to polish them off.

 

[d.mcfarland]

Would the hex design be better suited to a longer ratchet length to allow more leverage?? Meaning adding a wrench has what advantage to simply grabbing a bigger ratchet?? I think I'm seeing the point others are making here.

 

[-Brent-]

When you state "overseas" does that mean China ? I know everybody is assuming that but it would be nice for some clarification.
...

This. I never understand why people, acting as as businesses or for themselves, cannot be straight from the get-go. Nobody ever hides things by skirting the issue or not directly answering. Do something different and have a backbone - is my point of view. A quality I respect, too. Sure, it's uncomfortable but there's a bunch of positives on the other side of following through with the action.

Yes, "China" has a negative connotation but you don't hear 99% of these guys ***** and moan about their cell phone or TV's COO. The companies that produce them don't care about the COO, they care about money first, the factory adhering to their standards and the terms of the contract and then pacifying the clientele.

So, while the tool does have some interest, I'm far more inclined to support people with integrity and a backbone.

 

[Andrew_Logica]

This. I never understand why people, acting as as businesses or for themselves, cannot be straight from the get-go. Nobody ever hides things by skirting the issue or not directly answering. Do something different and have a backbone - is my point of view. A quality I respect, too. Sure, it's uncomfortable but there's a bunch of positives on the other side of following through with the action.

Yes, "China" has a negative connotation but you don't hear 99% of these guys ***** and moan about their cell phone or TV's COO. The companies that produce them don't care about the COO, they care about money first, the factory adhering to their standards and the terms of the contract and then pacifying the clientele.

So, while the tool does have some interest, I'm far more inclined to support people with integrity and a backbone.

Brent, I appreciate you airing your concerns, even if I think them a little forceful. I can tell you honesty that we aren't attempting to hide anything; we're about as transparent as you can get, and I feel that being on these boards with nothing more than a prototype and ambition reflects that.

Honestly I didn't realize people wanted more detail than USA made or "overseas," but I am now reminded of British and German made tools and see the point, so in the interest of fairness I will clarify that our first run of tools are being machined in China. This was based on cost, turnaround time, and the fact that we had an existing contact at the plant in question.

I agree with those that think that "Made in China" can still offer a good product. Personally, remaining on top of QC really makes or breaks foreign made items, and our testing process ensures only correctly manufactured tools ship. Our QC is done in house in the USA so that I only send you tools that work.

I want to say thanks again for everyone giving their opinion. It's becoming very clear that the country of manufacture is a far larger concern for most people than price, and I respect that tremendously. Shaun and I will work hard to bring production here and offer a product that people will want to own and use.

 

[Andrew_Logica]

One advantage I haven't seen mentioned is those times when you need to apply even torque to something.

What you could do with this is stick a wrench on the hex at 180 degrees from your ratchet, basically creating a giant t-handle -- one where you could adjust the angles and placement up and down the shaft as needed to clear obstructions as it turns.

bwringer, you hit the nail on the head. We'll be showing video and photo examples of such applications when we get our new units in. I'm sure that this tool, set loose, will allow people to come up with applications Shaun and I never even could have imagined.

 

[scottdc]

I've got a couple Toptul 1/4" wobble extensions that are hexagonal at the base but I've not seen them available anywhere since. They've come in handy a few times and I would definitely be interested in 3/8 hex extensions.

 

[CaseyR89]

Brent, I appreciate you airing your concerns, even if I think them a little forceful. I can tell you honesty that we aren't attempting to hide anything; we're about as transparent as you can get, and I feel that being on these boards with nothing more than a prototype and ambition reflects that.

Honestly I didn't realize people wanted more detail than USA made or "overseas," but I am now reminded of British and German made tools and see the point, so in the interest of fairness I will clarify that our first run of tools are being machined in China. This was based on cost, turnaround time, and the fact that we had an existing contact at the plant in question.

I agree with those that think that "Made in China" can still offer a good product. Personally, remaining on top of QC really makes or breaks foreign made items, and our testing process ensures only correctly manufactured tools ship. Our QC is done in house in the USA so that I only send you tools that work.

I want to say thanks again for everyone giving their opinion. It's becoming very clear that the country of manufacture is a far larger concern for most people than price, and I respect that tremendously. Shaun and I will work hard to bring production here and offer a product that people will want to own and use.

Country of manufacture is only a bigger concern than price to the tool nerds on this forum. The rest of the general population pretty much only cares about what it costs.

 

[Andrew_Logica]

Country of manufacture is only a bigger concern than price to the tool nerds on this forum. The rest of the general population pretty much only cares about what it costs.

Yeah, but I love tool nerds!