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i have 4 of the compact batteries, but i do plan on getting the XC ones at some point. i'd probably attempt to do some tests to see if it actually does provide any more power than normal. if it does it would have to be something internal with the way they built those systems the "redlink" that has tools with chips in them to help get the most out of the tool/battery.

because otherwise just throwing on a deeper well doesn't mean you'll get the water out any faster with the same bucket if you get what i'm saying with the analogy. same power same draw different pool... if it actually does give more power with a larger battery, ie, the battery doesn't have any limitations in it compared to the smaller one, then that would be ****** on milwaukees part. because some people prefer a small/lighter battery to bigger bulkier ones sometimes.

it would be pretty dirty if milwaukee actually built their system to fool the consumer, ie, they made it so their 2.0 Ah batteries are limited on the power they can output at one time so they don't drain too fast under heavy load and they can claim a "longer battery life" when you are in reality just throttling the tool to provide longer operation at limited power levels.
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Hi:hellobye:
I am not trying to mislead anyone. I do notice a difference. Take the M12 3/8" ratchet put a regular none 2.0 battery in her run it for to secs (no load just free) then put the 2.0 battery in and run it. You can feel the difference. I noticed this too also on the fuel 1/4" hex impact (2454-22)

When I first got the impact I charged up the batteries but I couldn't wait to use it so I grabbed an old 12v battery and used her and she didn't have that power that I felt before I bought it at thw store (H.Depot) I tested her in the store and when I pulled the trigger it nearly jumped out of my hand. They come with the 2.0 batteries. I put the 2.0 battery in ditching the none 2.0 and bam, it was way different:dunno:

It could just be me.
I am with you on you analogy:rocker:
I am just giving my experience. I know folks dont want to run the bigger battery all the time, I dont know what's going on but I look at it like this..... Why dont the send the smaller cap batteries with the 1/2" fuel impact driver instead of the bigger XC4.0 high cap units.:dunno:

I use the smaller cap ones with the baby 1/2" fuel impact and its the same way.
 
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I am with Justin on this one. I agree on the theories and analogy. But I too experience this on my older Bosch Impactor (sorry I know this is a Milwaukee thread) running a 1.5 and a 3.0 battery makes a difference in torque. I also know for a fact that with the IR W7150 you can not run their 1.5ah battery on the impact, it should be run with the 3.0ah only. Now, how can you explain that?
 
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Lithium batteries will sag under load. The more load, the more voltage drop.

So if you're drawing 5 amps over 5 cells (in series), each cell will see double the load if you draw the same 5 amps over 10 cells (5 cells in series, with the two series in parallel).

It varies by chemistry of course, but something like this is pretty common:

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As to "throttling", it's not intentional. The tools where you *would* notice the difference is because you're pushing batteries to the ragged edge of what they're capable of outputting. They may throttle, but that's only so (a) it doesn't explode, and (b) your cell life isn't garbage.
 
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That sawzall is awesome!! In corded, I have a few of the Milwaukee grinders I posted up there, along a Magnum and shears. Then I have this 18v cabinet with vacuum, fuel hex impact and hammer drill, charger and batteries.
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I am with Justin on this one. I agree on the theories and analogy. But I too experience this on my older Bosch Impactor (sorry I know this is a Milwaukee thread) running a 1.5 and a 3.0 battery makes a difference in torque. I also know for a fact that with the IR W7150 you can not run their 1.5ah battery on the impact, it should be run with the 3.0ah only. Now, how can you explain that?
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:dunno:I think everyone reading this should just try it out and again I am not trying to mislead anyone but I notice the difference.
Yes it's a Milwaukee thread but it's ok:beer: We are all having a conversation with questions and answers.:thumbup:

As a Milwaukee fan I want to share what I notice about the tools from the good to the bad so others will know..

So please everyone who also has noticed this please by all means chim in on this. :willy_nil
 
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nine4gmc said:
No, you will get a lot more run time, same power.
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Hi:hellobye:
I am not trying to mislead anyone. I do notice a difference. Take the M12 3/8" ratchet put a regular none 2.0 battery in her run it for to secs (no load just free) then put the 2.0 battery in and run it. You can feel the difference. I noticed this too also on the fuel 1/4" hex impact (2454-22)
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I have a UK brochure here from Milwaukee and it quotes different torque figures for some of the M12 brushed range with 2.0 and 4.0 amp batteries. For example:
M12BD (brushed screwdriver) 30Nm with 2.0 and 38 with 4.0.
It gives same figures for the brushed drill and hammer drill but they only quote the 2.0 figures for the brushed impacts.

So, I think it's clear you do get more power with bigger batteries with the brushed tools. Is there any reason to think the brushless Fuel tools would not similarly benefit? Has anyone tried the different batteries with an M12 Fuel tool?
 
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The electrical theory behind the larger battery packs producing more torque is sound, but beyond that I think the free market proves the point as well. EVERY brand I've dealt with, not just Milwaukee, sees power gains when using the larger batteries. I find it inconceivable that all of the manufacturers would be in on it together, re artificially limiting the capabilities of the smaller batteries, especially when it would only take one company breaking ranks so they could advertise higher torque and lighter weight than everyone else on the market. Just doesn't make sense.
 
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the larger 4.0 batteries have a lower cell resistance hence more power (explanation from Bosch)
 
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JustinsGr8 said:
Classic Mil:thumbup: I use to use that guy when I was hanging TV's now I just use the cordless Mil but at times I use it just cause I don't want to neglect any of my tools....:p
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I took some time off from the trades for awhile, so it's only with my Fuel purchases that I've relegated most of my corded stuff to backup status. I'll have to show them some love still every now and then, though. Just wouldn't be right otherwise, lol.
 
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I actually talked to the Milwaukee rep about this because when I ordered my 3/8 fuel impact I got the set with compact batt. Because the xc package was on back order and he said any Milwaukee tool will run on any battery (m12/m18) however the high torque 1/2 is sold only with xc's because it needs those amps to deliver the torque its rated for..now I have both batteries but I have never run the smaller ones on my 1/2 non fuel impact..and I am under the impression that bigger the battery=bigger torque and more run time
 
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chipper said:
I actually talked to the Milwaukee rep about this because when I ordered my 3/8 fuel impact I got the set with compact batt. Because the xc package was on back order and he said any Milwaukee tool will run on any battery (m12/m18) however the high torque 1/2 is sold only with xc's because it needs those amps to deliver the torque its rated for..now I have both batteries but I have never run the smaller ones on my 1/2 non fuel impact..and I am under the impression that bigger the battery=bigger torque and more run time
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Thank you...
I have experienced that missing TQ with the smaller battery as stated before.:p It's a difference when using the smaller capacity M18 battery VS the High capacity M18 4.0. That 1/2" fuel impact just feels weaker with the smaller battery and is weaker:dunno:. It takes 2 secs longer to break the studs lose on the CL TQ'd @ 110ft lbs where as with the bigger XC 4.0 It only took a pull of the trigger.:beer:

:thumbup:Even with the smaller cap battery I was able to break a honda 87 civic crank bolt loose just took a lil longer thats all.

Anyone else have stories or care to chime in?:willy_nil
 
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Rust said:
I got a bunch of Milwaukee tools. I made a living with most of them.
To many to really post, so I'll give you my best.







I wish I got the Sawzall too...:sad:
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I have the sawzall and been kicking myself for years for not getting the drill. Didn't really have the money at the time though. My saw has never been out of the box. I'm a car guy and couldn't pass up a chrome sawzall :).
 
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Yes i would like to know how the flood light works. Just got 1/2" fuel impact. excited to use it on our race crew. I have the 1/2" non fuel and love it. In fact I am satisfied with all my Milwaukee stuff.
 
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Yes i would like to know how the flood light works. Just got 1/2" fuel impact. excited to use it on our race crew. I have the 1/2" non fuel and love it. In fact I am satisfied with all my Milwaukee stuff.
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1/2" fuel impact is surprisingly scary right:beer:
I didn't expect it to be that powerful. :beer:
What did you do with it? What car were you working on?
Do tell:willy_nil
 
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1/2" fuel impact:willy_nil
The hardest task I put this joker through was a 2004 Honda Accord crank bolt. It came right off no problems at all for it.
Normally I would use a jack stand the crank pully tool, extensions and 1/2" breaker bar and it would take a long time . The Mil is nice:beer:
 
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Electrician buddy of mine just picked up the Fuel 1/4" impact , hammer drill/driver and Sawzall.
Got to use the Sawzall today.

Damn.

He did the trade in deal.
He traded in a .... well ,, one of those yellow drills and a shot battery.

Got all three of the Fuels , two batteries , charger and hard case for the drills for
just over 300.

He *****.
 
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Amitygravel said:
Electrician buddy of mine just picked up the Fuel 1/4" impact , hammer drill/driver and Sawzall.
Got to use the Sawzall today.

Damn.

He did the trade in deal.
He traded in a .... well ,, one of those yellow drills and a shot battery.

Got all three of the Fuels , two batteries , charger and hard case for the drills for
just over 300.

He *****.
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I use the sawzall everyday. It cuts butter smooth!
 
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Amitygravel said:
Electrician buddy of mine just picked up the Fuel 1/4" impact , hammer drill/driver and Sawzall.
Got to use the Sawzall today.

Damn.

He did the trade in deal.
He traded in a .... well ,, one of those yellow drills and a shot battery.

Got all three of the Fuels , two batteries , charger and hard case for the drills for
just over 300.

He *****.
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:lol:LMAO @ " One of those yellow drills ":lol:
 
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I would like one, but 100 bucks is too much imo.
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I thought so until I got it.. 100 bucks is really not out of line when you consider what a high end pocket flash light runs.. Heck just a quality corded flood can push close to that price range..

I had to consider the other options with that light purchase and honestly it rocks if you need a portable flood light.. I am strongly considering a second..
 
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sloppy said:
I thought so until I got it.. 100 bucks is really not out of line when you consider what a high end pocket flash light runs.. Heck just a quality corded flood can push close to that price range..

I had to consider the other options with that light purchase and honestly it rocks if you need a portable flood light.. I am strongly considering a second..
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SureFire!
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the talk of how the internal makeup of the battery being able to cope with larger demands of the tool does make plenty of sense if they built their tools to push the limits of the smaller batteries. the way a battery operate is probably a bit different than the way any regular motor/circuit will operate because of the discharging properties of the batteries. make me wonder if there is any way to get that full potential out of the smaller batteries, or if you are stuck with being underpowered because of the needs of the tools. especially if you have a significantly less resistance from having more batteries in parallel to reduce the resistance (which from what i read recently would probably be the determining factor to causing it to be able to pull close to it's ideal power)
 
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Kracin said:
the talk of how the internal makeup of the battery being able to cope with larger demands of the tool does make plenty of sense if they built their tools to push the limits of the smaller batteries. the way a battery operate is probably a bit different than the way any regular motor/circuit will operate because of the discharging properties of the batteries. make me wonder if there is any way to get that full potential out of the smaller batteries, or if you are stuck with being underpowered because of the needs of the tools.
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What are you running?
M18 standard non 2.0 battery and on up to M18 XC 4.0
The batteries all do what they should and that's last a long time:beer: hats off to Milwaukee.:pimpflash
Take your basic 1/4" impact fuel that comes with the standard battery, place a 2.0 battery on it and it runs different then place the XC on it and it just gets better and better(same with M12). I think you do get max power out of the smaller M18 batteries because they do last a very long time and the tool will not stop til that pack is dead and that goes for all the M18 packs. All in all I think Milwaukee supplied the right batteries at the time of release for which ever tool for what it would be used for. Maybe they didn't think about more power and was only trying to create longer run times with the 2.0 , XC and XC4.0 batteries.:dunno:
Go Team Red!:drool:
 
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sloppy said:
I thought so until I got it.. 100 bucks is really not out of line when you consider what a high end pocket flash light runs.. Heck just a quality corded flood can push close to that price range..

I had to consider the other options with that light purchase and honestly it rocks if you need a portable flood light.. I am strongly considering a second..
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These are the best ive ever used...


http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=229527
 
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