The Milwaukee addiction thread! :)

[owm]

Bought my first set of M12 tools for home/auto use

https://scontent-kul1-1.**.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14322201_702924636525375_4992623845322038509_n.jpg?oh=8e88893a62dc2e1c8b55abeee9cccd57&oe=5878FE17

 

[TK-421]

So I planned on going to Home Depot to gain access to this addiction, but they just didn't have what I wanted. Apparently it's an online only kit (3/8 ratchet kit).

I wish they had a kit configurator available to get EXACTLY what you want. I did find tool barn has this option, but it's all at full price and is missing some pieces of the puzzle for me. I don't think I'd ever use the light that all the kits come with, but I basically want
M12: 3/8 ratchet and the screwdriver.
M18: compact 3/8 impact, compact 1/2" impact, and possibly the high torque setup later on along with a hammer drill. I work in a shop and am getting tired of dealing with air hoses. I know I can't take them away from my work completely, but being able to mostly would speed my labor up and reduce my risks around the shop.

I currently have the dewalt 1/4 hex impact and a drill too, buy I'm pretty sure that the impact is getting tired after 3 years of continued abuse. The 9.0 battery looks awesome too.

Wait and see if they do a buy a kit, get a free tool promotion again. That's how I got started in my Milwaukee addiction. Bought the hammer drill/driver and got a free ratchet, got the impact driver and a free stick light, got the 3/8 impact and a free 4.0 battery.

 

[170-3tree]

Wait and see if they do a buy a kit, get a free tool promotion again. That's how I got started in my Milwaukee addiction. Bought the hammer drill/driver and got a free ratchet, got the impact driver and a free stick light, got the 3/8 impact and a free 4.0 battery.

They have that going on now but none of the possibilities work out to have me buying something I don't need. Except maybe the hackzall but not sure I'd ever use it really.

 

[roguegeek]

Hey all. Not sure if I should start a new thread for this question or place it here. I picked up the M18 One-Key 1/2" compact impact wrench (2759B-20) with a max tightening torque of 220 ft-lbs and max rpm of 2500. I like it, but I'm having some issues translating the torque settings in the One-Key app. They are done by levels (ie. Level 0, Level 1, Level 2... Level 10) which didn't make a lot of sense to me. Contacted Milwaukee and this is what they had to say about it.

The reason the torque setting in the ONE-KEY™ app is on a scale from 1-10 is that other factors set on the tool, such as speed, also effect how much torque the tool is able to put out. So if the tool is set at a max torque of 10 but a speed of 1 it will put out less torque than if the tool is at a torque setting of 10 and a speed setting of 10. We understand your frustration with the issue. However, after a few minutes working with the tool, it should be fairly simple to dial in your settings to the exact ones you need.

Alright, so I get that. They change depending on the speed you set. It's not really intuitive and I would rather the torque display show an approximate targeted measurement while also changing dynamically based on the speed you choose, but it's what we have to work with so far.

Here's what I'm trying to accomplish. Preset 1 would be a hand tight mode at 2-10 lbs. Preset 2 would be wrench tight around 25 lbs. Preset 3 would be half power at around 110 lbs. Preset 4 would be the full power at 220 lbs. Would love to hear any tips or tricks you'd know in getting me there. Thanks!

 

[kctyphoon]

This might be just a trail and error type thing.. Get a cheap torque wrench if you don't have one, and find a bolt you can torque down (lugnut maybe).. Take a guess on your first setting, tighten the bolt down with the impact - then use a torque wrench to see how tight it was.. Adjust settings as needed , repeat.. Do it for your 10, 25, and 110 ftlbs.. Last is full power so no special restriction needed...

 

[roguegeek]

This might be just a trail and error type thing.. Get a cheap torque wrench if you don't have one, and find a bolt you can torque down (lugnut maybe).. Take a guess on your first setting, tighten the bolt down with the impact - then use a torque wrench to see how tight it was.. Adjust settings as needed , repeat.. Do it for your 10, 25, and 110 ftlbs.. Last is full power so no special restriction needed...

Yeah, I was going to do that anyway. I was just hoping there'd be some rationale to the levels. I'm sure there is, but I'd wish they'd make it a little more transparent.

 

[rice rocket]

Hey all. Not sure if I should start a new thread for this question or place it here. I picked up the M18 One-Key 1/2" compact impact wrench (2759B-20) with a max tightening torque of 220 ft-lbs and max rpm of 2500. I like it, but I'm having some issues translating the torque settings in the One-Key app. They are done by levels (ie. Level 0, Level 1, Level 2... Level 10) which didn't make a lot of sense to me. Contacted Milwaukee and this is what they had to say about it.



Alright, so I get that. They change depending on the speed you set. It's not really intuitive and I would rather the torque display show an approximate targeted measurement while also changing dynamically based on the speed you choose, but it's what we have to work with so far.

Here's what I'm trying to accomplish. Preset 1 would be a hand tight mode at 2-10 lbs. Preset 2 would be wrench tight around 25 lbs. Preset 3 would be half power at around 110 lbs. Preset 4 would be the full power at 220 lbs. Would love to hear any tips or tricks you'd know in getting me there. Thanks!

This vagueness is 100% intentional.

The tool limits amperage, it doesn't limit torque since it has no sensors or feedback control loops to limit how much torque is being put out. When the tool breaks in/wears out/is lubricated differently, the torque output can vary for a given amperage.

So they're giving you intentionally vague answers because they don't want any literature to say this mode is X ft-lbs, because they don't want the liability when you break a bolt, or you don't get enough bolt stretch and your wheels fall off down the road.

If you want torque limiting tools, you need to spend a lot more money.

 

[roguegeek]

This vagueness is 100% intentional.

The tool limits amperage, it doesn't limit torque since it has no sensors or feedback control loops to limit how much torque is being put out. When the tool breaks in/wears out/is lubricated differently, the torque output can vary for a given amperage.

So they're giving you intentionally vague answers because they don't want any literature to say this mode is X ft-lbs, because they don't want the liability when you break a bolt, or you don't get enough bolt stretch and your wheels fall off down the road.

This makes complete sense to me. Thanks for the comprehensive and constructive response.

 

[Cougar]

For a homeowner kit that is good, though if you are going to use the tools heavily on a day the XC 3.0 batteries wont last very long. Fuel versions of the drill & hex impact are that price alone, and the fuel circular saw is $200, no fuel version of the hand hackzall.

If you dont need the latest greatest most powerful tools, that kit is a good start. Can always get 5.0 batteries with what you add next.

EDIT
Thought this promo ended, might be better off with that, and buy the hackzall or sawzall seperately. No Light, but that is a bare bones light.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwauke...1-2-in-Circular-Saw-2897-22-2630-20/300071967

IMO the 2696-24-2360-20 is a better choice for not much more money. The 2607 hammer drill is the newer model as is the driver 2656-20 plus the light is LED. It also has the most current cordless brushed sawzall model and the batteries are 4.0

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwauke...rdless-Circular-Saw-2696-24-2630-20/204663062


A FUEL package would be considerably more money still

The 2695-24 Kit comes with the 2607 and 2656 drills, HD desc is wrong, I ordered one last month. Does the 2696 kit come with 4.0s?, cause the site lists (2) 48-11-1828 M18 XC high capacity REDLITHIUM battery as the included batteries.

I have an m18 brushed drill/impact kit & sawzall, and the gen1 fuel counterparts too.. The brushed tools are nothing to shrug off.. They are very well made, just use the older technology. My feeling is the more important choice is going with lithium batteries, which you are.. Everything Milwaukee makes these days is only available with lithium batteries compared to Dewalt who is still selling the same tools they did 20 years ago in their 18v platform. Your already looking at the M18 platform instead of the M12 , which is a good choice IMO. Your getting a lithium platform - another good choice.

Most of the guys in here don't NEED the fuel line.. It's just this is what we like spending money on and are willing to spend extra for the cool factor.

Lots of good info here.
Thanks
Now just have to decide which tools to get.

 

[DFB]

Lots of good info here.
Thanks
Now just have to decide which tools to get.

I like the hackzall tool myself. I have a M12 brushed version its handy little thing I even use like an impromptu jig saw to notch out boards

 

[kctyphoon]

Lots of good info here.
Thanks
Now just have to decide which tools to get.

My first Milwaukee purchase was the gen1 fuel drill and impact combo that came with two 4.0 batteries.. They were refurb from CPO outlets, and they had such an insane deal on them at the time (I think I only paid $190 shipped) I couldn't turn it down.
I was a Dewalt guy for years with thier 18v nicad tools. They were great - a decade ago.. I even considered just buying the 18v lithium stick packs Dewalt made for them, but by the time you got 2 batteries and a new charger to go with them (they were way overpriced), I was at the cost of the Milwaukee brushless set, with lithium batteries that were over double the amp hour rating of the new dewalts I would need to buy.. It was the equilvilant of my buying almost 5 of the Dewalt batteries to equal the runtime that came with just the 2 m18 lithium.. I did not WANT to leave Dewalt - they forced me to.. For what it would cost to upgrade to the Dewalt lithuim packs - I got the same lithuim technology, in newer, better, stronger, brushless tools for the hammer drill and impact.. I was worried about leaving a brand I had history with - until I got the package from CPO and saw for myself why everyone else left Dewalt too. I don't think Dewalt even had a brushless line yet at the time. They were so far behind Milwaukee there was no contest.

After the first m18 set things just kinda took off.. Now I have way too much stuff to even list - I don't even pick up a corded tool or light anymore..

My original goal was to create a 5 piece kit like I had with Dewalt. Just to get the MOST used, most common tools everyone uses... Hammer drill, impact driver, sawzall, circular saw, and a light, and maybe 3 batteries. Start with those unless you have specefic needs.. The tool promos will be starting at HD soon.. It would be a great time for you to take advantage of sales..

I wouldn't even wanna sit here and list all the Milwaukee stuff I have between work and home... Both m18 and m12. I have some brushless Dewalt 20v max stuff at work on another truck, and some of the Dewalt 12v max stuff at home too.. I could literally become a contractor and tool up and enitre crew if I wanted too.. I couldn't possibly use all this **** I have by myself, but I still keep buying it.

Edit - if you REALLY wanna see what you've been missing out on, buy yourself a heated Milwaukee jacket this winter, and some of the new compact 3.0 m12 batteries.. I think I'm up to 2 black heated jackets, the black 3in1 jacket (that comes with its own unique heated hoodie), just bought another heated hoodie in grey (cause it was on clearance and I couldn't allow myself to NOT buy it) and I have a Dewalt heated hoodie too.. I am NOT buying any more battery operated clothes... But that reminds me that I want 2 of the new m12 3.0 batteries myself..

Another edit - oh, and get the Milwaukee demolition gloves too.. Ok, now I'm done..

 

[walrus]

I would like to see pics of one of these mountains.

Me too, be interesting to see broken tools.

I have a slew of Milwaukee stuff, starting with Nicad drills and sawzall, 28V drills, metal saw Sawzall, 12 v too many to mention, 18 Fuel stuff again too many to mention, never had an issue other than chuck run out on NiCad 18 drill after I beat the **** out of it.

I don't doubt Milwaukee stuff isn't as good as used to be but it works well for me or I wouldn't have it

 

[kctyphoon]

Maybe he meant to say - he saw mountains IN Milwaukee..

 

[DFB]

Me too, be interesting to see broken tools.

I have a slew of Milwaukee stuff, starting with Nicad drills and sawzall, 28V drills, metal saw Sawzall, 12 v too many to mention, 18 Fuel stuff again too many to mention, never had an issue other than chuck run out on NiCad 18 drill after I beat the **** out of it.

I don't doubt Milwaukee stuff isn't as good as used to be but it works well for me or I wouldn't have it

Well I'll tell you guys one my first purchases was their little 2462 brushed 1/4 " hex impact driver and I bought it an HD, and really I had originally went to get the older style Makita 12v li-on offering...you know the white tool with the glow in the dark nose ring, which of course I really hated but being I had been a Makita fan for close to two decades it was what I thought I wanted. We had an older 12v ni cad Milwaukee at work which I never cared for at all.

Well all the different brands were all there on display and I went back an forth for a while but decided the newest Milwaukee 12v had just a better feel and holding that Makita was like holding a Heineken beer bottle, not entirely a bad thing but just not at work.

So short story long here I put that little guy thru the motions. I originally wanted it for wrenching work (its was ok in that respect) but I used it much more in carpentry construction...setting and removing sheet rock screws and driving up to 3 1/2 deck screws in rough construction style lumber furniture assembly for some fixtures building table frames work benches and counters etc. for our new barn store. That thing shined. I personally thought I was going to kill it even got so nervous I picked up a second one (as bare tool free offer) for backup which to this date have never used yet! I still call it my favorite, along with its counterpart the 2363 3/8 drive impact wrench. Its tough they are both are, seriously tough. I love the feel of holding them (even over their newer 12v FUEL replacements) and the control is great.

As a side note...I do like Makita LXT stuff but if you seriously look at it IMO Milwaukee has brought just about everything to the table first and NOW Makita is just really playing catch up especially with things like their new high impact torque wrenches and their new redesigned 12v tools, current battery improvements and their recently released compact 18v hex driver.

Really I have had much of my current Milwaukee on the job for more than 3 years now long before Makita put on the market what I felt was even a competitive tool so I don't think I be switching out anything anytime soon.

The licensed electrician we contract even with dumped his old 18v white Makita drill and driver for new Milwaukee tools after checking out mine on the job.

 

[Caparris]

I keep saying this over and over, and I guess I will continue to do so. An impact wrench cannot achieve the same torque repeatedly. It is simply impossible.

Checking torque with a torque wrench won't do anything either. Try this. Use your torque wrench set to 80 ft-lbs and tighten a lug nut. Set the wrench to 85. I guarantee you it will click before the lug moves. You have to overcome inertia to get the nut moving initially.

Not inertia, static friction coefficient. It's higher than the kinetic friction coefficient. i.e. takes more force to get it moving than to keep it moving.

 

[Bremon]

Not that great a vote of confidence though: anything modern is worthy of dumping the white Makitas for lol.

 

[DFB]

Not that great a vote of confidence though: anything modern is worthy of dumping the white Makitas for lol.

 

[kctyphoon]

I keep saying this over and over, and I guess I will continue to do so. An impact wrench cannot achieve the same torque repeatedly. It is simply impossible.

Checking torque with a torque wrench won't do anything either. Try this. Use your torque wrench set to 80 ft-lbs and tighten a lug nut. Set the wrench to 85. I guarantee you it will click before the lug moves. You have to overcome inertia to get the nut moving initially.

 

[the gypsy]

I like the Impact and actually bought 1 not to long ago. I am looking forward to using it. I am also thinking of buying the boot. I like to keep my tools clean and with the least amount of scratches possible.

 

[Bremon]

The boots are a great investment. They work well and look good.

 

[TXBDan]

Not really. The coefficient of (static) friction is a very narrow and defined situation. Inertia is more of an umbrella term that covers any reason why an object at rest tends to stay at rest (or more specifically, unchanged).

No, it's static friction. Inertia is actually quite specific and well defined. The rotational analog to Force = mass * acceleration is Torque = inertia * angular acceleration. The inertia (based on its mass and geometry) of a nut is insignificant in relation to the large torque we're applying and the small acceleration we're accelerating it.

 

[170-3tree]

Welp. I did a thing today. Drove from location to location (mostly out of boredom, not necessity) and managed to find a 3/8 impact kit with 2 4.0 batteries. Then went to home depot and dug up a 3/8 ratchet and the 2.0 battery.

Mainly taking a test drive for now before I get crazy upgrading to better batteries and add more tools. I use these the most so it'll have a good idea of how I like them before buying in any more.

Edit: realized that this is the older model of impact. I want the 1 second function and that extra little bit of torque so I'm gonna take it back tomorrow. Kinda bummed because i paid full price for it. I think it was advertised as the new one too... Oh well.

 

[DFB]

Welp. I did a thing today. Drove from location to location (mostly out of boredom, not necessity) and managed to find a 3/8 impact kit with 2 4.0 batteries. Then went to home depot and dug up a 3/8 ratchet and the 2.0 battery.

Mainly taking a test drive for now before I get crazy upgrading to better batteries and add more tools. I use these the most so it'll have a good idea of how I like them before buying in any more.

Edit: realized that this is the older model of impact. I want the 1 second function and that extra little bit of torque so I'm gonna take it back tomorrow. Kinda bummed because i paid full price for it. I think it was advertised as the new one too... Oh well.

The one you want is the 2754 (4 mode) and that kit comes with the 5.0 batteries. There is also a fre battery offer on that model so you get a third 5.0.

HD carries it but only online. You can also get that deal from CPO or ACME Tool and probably some other places too.

I personally have found HD's shipping time to be extremely slow and internet customer service to ****. Plus they charge me state sales tax on my online purchases. My latest buys have been with ACME tool though I have done a lot of business with CPO in the past.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwauke...XC-5-0Ah-Battery-2754-22-48-11-1850/206581428

http://www.acmetools.com/shop/tools/milwaukee-m18-fuel-3-8-inch-compact-impact-wrench-2754-22

http://www.cpomilwaukee.com/milwauk...efault,pd.html?cgid=milwaukee-impact-wrenches

BTW I have all 4.0 batteries with my impact wrenches and other FUEL tools and they have been very satisfactory, so can only get better with the 5.0

 

[Caparris]

Not really. The coefficient of (static) friction is a very narrow and defined situation. Inertia is more of an umbrella term that covers any reason why an object at rest tends to stay at rest (or more specifically, unchanged).

No, inertia is more related to the mass of an object. Think, trying to move a 500lb sphere.. once that thing is moving it has a LOT of inertia.

Mass isn't the issue with bolts/thread/torque. Friction between the bolt/threads/anything that's rubbing is whats stopping it from moving, not the mass.

No, it's static friction. Inertia is actually quite specific and well defined. The rotational analog to Force = mass * acceleration is Torque = inertia * angular acceleration. The inertia (based on its mass and geometry) of a nut is insignificant in relation to the large torque we're applying and the small acceleration we're accelerating it.

Right.

Friction forces arise from contact between surfaces or maybe air resistance, depending on things such as shape and size. On the otherhand, at the heart of it, Mass is a measurement of Inertia, so really the inability to move or stop moving something because of inertia is just because the object is massive.

Bolts ain't massive

 

[Rudemouthsky]

HD buying Milwaukee was the last nail in Lowe's coffin afaic. Their new breed of zero F's to give employees had already turned me off but losing my favorite power tool brand ever was too much to overcome. If only Citibank didn't hate me and would give me a reasonable size line of credit I'd have all the M18 goodness in the world.

 

[170-3tree]

The one you want is the 2754 (4 mode) and that kit comes with the 5.0 batteries. There is also a fre battery offer on that model so you get a third 5.0.

HD carries it but only online. You can also get that deal from CPO or ACME Tool and probably some other places too.

I personally have found HD's shipping time to be extremely slow and internet customer service to ****. Plus they charge me state sales tax on my online purchases. My latest buys have been with ACME tool though I have done a lot of business with CPO in the past.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwauke...XC-5-0Ah-Battery-2754-22-48-11-1850/206581428

http://www.acmetools.com/shop/tools/milwaukee-m18-fuel-3-8-inch-compact-impact-wrench-2754-22

http://www.cpomilwaukee.com/milwauk...efault,pd.html?cgid=milwaukee-impact-wrenches

BTW I have all 4.0 batteries with my impact wrenches and other FUEL tools and they have been very satisfactory, so can only get better with the 5.0

Gonna be a question, probably, for Milwaukee themselves, but if I buy the kit and the store doesn't have that offer, can I have it fulfilled by Milwaukee directly?

 

[Bremon]

I wouldn't get my hopes up, but it doesn't hurt to ask; worst they can say is "no".

 

[170-3tree]

Well first things first, I gotta go deal with the return. You know how some of those small town Stores can be.

 

[Bremon]

Yes, growing up in a small town I know it isn't always fun compared to the city's "here's your money back, not my problem" mentality. Good luck!

 

[mike528]

The one you want is the 2754 (4 mode) and that kit comes with the 5.0 batteries. There is also a fre battery offer on that model so you get a third 5.0.

HD carries it but only online. You can also get that deal from CPO or ACME Tool and probably some other places too.

I personally have found HD's shipping time to be extremely slow and internet customer service to ****. Plus they charge me state sales tax on my online purchases. My latest buys have been with ACME tool though I have done a lot of business with CPO in the past.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwauke...XC-5-0Ah-Battery-2754-22-48-11-1850/206581428

http://www.acmetools.com/shop/tools/milwaukee-m18-fuel-3-8-inch-compact-impact-wrench-2754-22

http://www.cpomilwaukee.com/milwauk...efault,pd.html?cgid=milwaukee-impact-wrenches

BTW I have all 4.0 batteries with my impact wrenches and other FUEL tools and they have been very satisfactory, so can only get better with the 5.0

My m12 fuel circular saw came from HD. It was the same price as Amazon + a free 4.0 battery and free shipping. Did have to pay sales tax but I ordered it wed morning and got it Thursday morning.

 

[dacan23]

There are some promotions Milwaukee does offer directly for when the retailer does not have the freebie offer. I have found some mail in forms on the internet. Calling them is probably best start.

Gonna be a question, probably, for Milwaukee themselves, but if I buy the kit and the store doesn't have that offer, can I have it fulfilled by Milwaukee directly?

 

[mobiledynamics]

Anybody know what the release date will be for the new Raptor light ....aka, new tripod light ?

 

[170-3tree]

Well I ordered the 27 model from CPO. Almost got the more expensive unit with onekey on it, but NO idea how to justify that expense over the standard for single person shop use. The 1 second feature will come in handy for sure though using torque sticks on lug nuts before final torque.

 

[Bremon]

Anybody know what the release date will be for the new Raptor light ....aka, new tripod light ?

Looks to be shortly. It's listed on a Canadian retailer site now. $500 CAD for the light, $750 with a 9.0 battery.

2866 screwgun kit listing is up as well. $200 CAD for bare tool, $300 with 2x 2.0 and a rapid charger, $400 for 2x 5.0 and a slow charger. Value at $300 I'd say. Drywall cutout tool 2627 is also overpriced at $140 vs $95-110 for real and yellow.

Search light and M12 rover will be mine at $140 and $110 bare. Milwaukee lighting solutions are excellent, especially when a deal can be found.

 

[falconero]

Looks to be shortly. It's listed on a Canadian retailer site now. $500 CAD for the light, $750 with a 9.0 battery.



2866 screwgun kit listing is up as well. $200 CAD for bare tool, $300 with 2x 2.0 and a rapid charger, $400 for 2x 5.0 and a slow charger. Value at $300 I'd say. Drywall cutout tool 2627 is also overpriced at $140 vs $95-110 for real and yellow.



Search light and M12 rover will be mine at $140 and $110 bare. Milwaukee lighting solutions are excellent, especially when a deal can be found.

what a deal on milwaukee lighting? lookin to get a few, they just seem quite high...


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[Bremon]

Their prices on some of their lights are absolutely ridiculous. Stand lights and radius light especially. The small M18 flood isn't too bad. The M12 stick light is great and can be found as a free toss-in. The lanterns are fairly handy and go on sale here and there.

 

[mobiledynamics]

I've never seen any of their lights go on sale, but the last time I looked consistently was 2 years ago on their 12V stick light. Slighly cheaper on Ebay, but one would have to keep a keen watch as most of there were almost full tilt boggie on ebay as well.

All my M18 lights, I'm pretty sure I paid retail as it's MAP locked...

I don't think are expensive.....there is nothing on the market IMO that compete with the old/new floodlights I have, nor the new tripod stand light I'm waiting for...

 

[DFB]

Yes the M12 sticklight was freebie offer for quite a while with some kit purchases as the 2362 lantern is right now.

I have a few of the lights the 2361 M18 flood was one of my first purchases. Both that one and the M12 2351 stick light are wicked handy at my job. That truview is something to discern colors in low light conditions worked for me

I think the 2362 12v lantern is great. I got one for a GF to use for lighting during power outages and to keep her phone charged and since I had lots of battery and chargers already too so she was all good to go. I even liked it so much I got one for myself recently. I can even imagine how much more light the 18v version puts out as its both taller and has 700 lumens vs. 400 on the M12 version.

 

[dacan23]

All 12 of my different Milwaukee lights were promos or discounted except my first M12 stick. The normal lights xenon or LED came with kits. The M12 lantern and spot were discounted through the 150 promo last . The M18 flood I think I got for a disc through Zoro. New flood and stand I got last year with free 5.0 batteries and 10-15% off. M18 lantern got 10% off. M18 stick and M12 Mag discounted via Zoro. 2nd M12 stick was discounted somewhere somehow.

I've never seen any of their lights go on sale, but the last time I looked consistently was 2 years ago on their 12V stick light. Slighly cheaper on Ebay, but one would have to keep a keen watch as most of there were almost full tilt boggie on ebay as well.

All my M18 lights, I'm pretty sure I paid retail as it's MAP locked...

I don't think are expensive.....there is nothing on the market IMO that compete with the old/new floodlights I have, nor the new tripod stand light I'm waiting for...

 

[Dagny]

Does ACME or CPO ever have 25 or 30 percent off like zoro?