a52-830
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now that is something i would be interested in . . . . .
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now that is something i would be interested in . . . . .
kctyphoon
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^Suggested that years ago..
a52-830
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well, now that you are one of their larger customers, maybe you need to suggest it to them again
. . . . .Jp267
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Hey Milwaukee fanatics. I have been mulling an M12 3/8 ratchet for a while. Just about to start rebuilding my 5.4l 3v Triton. The reviews reviews I've read either seem to love them or think they're under powered. Anyone here use one on a regular basis. What are your thoughts? I don't own any M12 gear so I would need to buy batteries, charger etc. Are they worth it or should I just stick to hand tools or a pneumatic ratchet? Thx in advance!
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deberly12
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If im not mistaken you can use an sds like an air hammer with a chisel bit....or other types of bits.
Before all that wild stuff how about a tire inflator blow gun combo. Ryobi makes them...two different ones actually. Give it two settings high pressure and a high flow setting. I don't want a tank that will defeat the portability point. If you want to copy rigid make that a separate tool.
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scooby074
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What I dont get is why dont they have the underhood light in M18? Youd think it would be a no-brainer.
m18 ratchet would be good too. Maybe not as slick as the m12, but it could be more powerful to make up for it. With a slim m18v battery, it wouldnt be any larger than the SO.
m18 ratchet would be good too. Maybe not as slick as the m12, but it could be more powerful to make up for it. With a slim m18v battery, it wouldnt be any larger than the SO.
Because then you have to drop 18V down into the nominal 12V range where most LED strips happily run. Adds more complexity and is less efficient than just using a higher capacity 12V battery.
Size comparison between an air hammer vs sds hammer drill
scooby074
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But for a person invested in m18s it would be a heck of a lot more convenient.
18v for a led isnt a deal killer. Conversion efficiencies are quite high (if required). Milwaulkee already makes the 18v LED sticklight. Snapon has a cordless underhood in 14.4v
If my tinfoil hat was on right now, Id say the reason they arent offering the underhood light in M18 is to make you buy into the M12 series if you want it, same reason they arent offering the ratchets in M18 IMHO.
Personally Id prefer the long runtime of the high Ah m18v.
they need to make something similar to the ingersoll rand hammerhead.
Ign
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If you incorrectly expect it to break fasteners free when you pull the trigger, it's underpowered.
If you understand it works like a normal ratchet - ie pull on it! - and then pull the trigger after you've broken the fastener free, they're fantastic.
If you don't mind air hoses and have a nice air system, go pneumatic if it floats your boat. I can't stand air hoses in the engine bay, they're always knocking something off a cowl or core support or or or ......
Jp267
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Anybody know,would it have to be like two 9.0's ?
MO-Iron
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I need to replace the tile block ceiling in one of the old farm houses. Can anyone give me a review on the 2447 3/8 flat crown stapler?
ishiboo
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No, that's not at all the case or an issue. M12 is simply a better format due to the size/weight. Balances much better with an M12. Plus is there any reason for an M18 there? So you could run it for 4 days straight without swapping batts?
deberly12
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The sds is much larger but I don't think it could be the same size....heck... Just the battery is close to the size of the smaller air hammers
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DerekV
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Yeah I don't think Milwaukee is using generic LED strips in their lights. There are ways to series and parallel LEDs up in a way to get the required voltage and light output just right. But even so, modern DC-DC voltage conversion is extremely efficient, like high 90's%. Considering that and the fact that none of their lights dim at all as the battery drains (at least my M18s don't), which is unlike many other LED lights out there (i.e. the Astro light), I'm sure that they're stepping down the voltage to something below whatever the battery cutoff voltage is. That way the output is the same regardless of the charge level.
1. Many people have many M18 batteries and zero M12 batteries.
2. Most M18 batteries (technically anything greater than 3.6Ah) have a higher energy density than even the best M12 battery -- two things come of this: a) longer run time and b) longer battery life if used in the same way hour for hour since less of the total battery is being used at any given time = better for the battery.
3. Many lights (like the under hood light) are stationary and don't really require a subcompact battery form factor. It wouldn't take much design tweaking to make the battery connection an M18 one.
DerekV
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Very true. I recently moved across the country and ended up selling my compressor. The other day I needed to knock some pins out of some clamps, so I tried my 1" Fuel SDS with a pointed chisel. It actually worked awesome haha. If you're in a pinch and you have the room, a good SDS can get the job done.
However:
My air hammer (a mid grade Ingersoll, not even close to the best one available) is definitely more powerful and it is definitely a heck of a lot smaller in EVERY way. A cordless version would be so slick, but I honestly don't think it's possible. A rotary hammer IS what it'd have to be - it's an electropneumatic mechanism that does the hitting. Downsizing the tool means downsizing the motor and the components, that means less power. It can't happen. Air is king here. I'd love to be proven wrong though
DerekV
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I'd love to see them do that...it's an elegant answer to more powerful tools without totally screwing over their customers with a new platform. They also don't need to develop new batteries or charger. A ton of benefits going this route. The new M18 lights with 2 18v batteries don't count since they drain them one at a time. That's a crock of ****. The Makita 18x2 system is pretty awesome and it's just getting started IMO.
Milwaukee is pretty stubborn though. They like to "stay within the lines" of the battery platform as much as possible. If they don't revitalize the 28v line, I bet they'll do a new higher voltage line all together. Or not at all. This is another area where I'd really like to be proven wrong!!!
deberly12
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Agreed....though the engineering challenge would be interesting... Possibly crank style rotary to liner motion system would work....couldn't be quite as small as the air hammer because the power is on board but it may work well...I'm picturing a crank that would catch a springed weight and drop it on the peak of rotation... thoughts?
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deberly12
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Amen it is so frustrating when a new battery line isn't backwards compatible and forward for that matter. As you said run 2+ batteries in parallel for high amperage....or in series for high voltage. It is the equivalent of DeWalts flex volt system but the batteries need less electronics and we don't have to buy new ones
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Milwaukee is committed long term to M18. Once they do 36v M28 is definitely dead. With them late to the 36v game how long till they have all the tools for it unless NPS18 is huge on 36v reveals.
Heres a recent thought, what if instead of M18x2 they are considering tools that can take a M18 pack or a new M36 pack, might not be worth running the lower power though.
They have to come out with a table saw next year to keep up, will it be M18, M18x2, or M36....
Heres a recent thought, what if instead of M18x2 they are considering tools that can take a M18 pack or a new M36 pack, might not be worth running the lower power though.
They have to come out with a table saw next year to keep up, will it be M18, M18x2, or M36....
deberly12
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What about a M36 batteries and a coupler that would connect 2 batteries to power a M36 tool ...granted not the most convenient for something like a drill but for something like a table saw...I'm thinking you can't let them use the same battery slot or people would drop an M36 in a m18 drill.
Also will you just rearrange the cells like DeWalt for a M36 4.5 AHr...or double the cells for a M36 9 AHr.... Maybe the switching flex volt type really is the future. That way all batteries are compatible with all tools (excluding size issues)
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Also will you just rearrange the cells like DeWalt for a M36 4.5 AHr...or double the cells for a M36 9 AHr.... Maybe the switching flex volt type really is the future. That way all batteries are compatible with all tools (excluding size issues)
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Yeah thought about adapter to use 2M18s instead of M36, guess they wouldnt like people putting an M36 on tools that cant handle it.
Theres a long running conspiracy theory that Fuel tools switch the voltage inside the tool instead of at battery level like Dewalt.
Theres a long running conspiracy theory that Fuel tools switch the voltage inside the tool instead of at battery level like Dewalt.
scooby074
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That would be a winner IMHO. They'd have to at least match or better the Hammerhead's torque though. And keep the head size small. Plus theyd have to make it able to stand up to daily use. There have been reports of Hammerheads not standing up to the rigors of heavy shop use.
kctyphoon
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I think most leds run between 12 and 24v these days.. look at the 12v and 18v stick lights. I'm pretty sure those might be the exact same lights, and the additional voltage is what gives you the hi/low ability.. either way, the electronics needed wouldn't be anything significant.
MY GUESS, is that it simply makes more sense to make the under hood 12v cause that's mainly the area where a cordless ratchet lives, in the engine bay. So anyone invested in the ratchet is more likely to buy the light. The big impacts are more common for outside the engine area..
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deberly12
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Can you imagine using a 2763 inside the engine bay....maybe on an eighty's truck when you could stand beside the engine under the hood lol
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DerekV
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I think I remember that discussion...I believe it started around someone taking apart the 2763 and seeing "60v" printed on the ribbon cable and coming to the conclusion that "it must be 60v going to the tool". That's just like saying "my car's speedometer goes to 180, so my car can do 180" - i.e. not true at all haha. When it comes to wiring, that number is merely a rating for the cable. That ribbon cable can support up to 60v. I HIGHLY doubt Milwaukee steps UP the voltage in any tool. The boost converter, if there was one, would have to be in the handle of most tools since there isn't any space for it anywhere else - it's not just a few tiny chips on a PCB. That means the handle of every tool would get pretty ridiculously toasty in no time from the low voltage + high amperage it's trying to convert. Now if I'm pushing any of my Milwaukee tools wide open/hard, brushed or brushless, it's the motor that gets pretty dang hot, not the handle (which gets warm from grip if anything). That strongly suggests that the high current is going straight to the motor "unmanipulated".
They should just do a true 36v M18x2 tool already haha
Jp267
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This is blasphemy but I have a Makita SDS Plus that takes two 5.0ah 18v batteries to operate and weighs 27 pounds without a bit. I prefer the corded SDS Max rotary hammer though because I can stick an SDS Plus chuck adapter on it when I can't find max bits. Most HDs and Lowe's don't stock max near me, just the supply houses, though I've been seeing some Milwaukee SDS Max bits turning up at HD lately.
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Jp267
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Lol I have the Makita 1/2in 18v that's similar. With a 5.0ah battery I couldn't imagine getting in the engine bay on most newer cars. Just laying on my back using it to do brakes or whatever my arm gets sore pretty quickly it's so heavy. If it can fit where I need it in the first place. Otherwise, it's a pretty mean machine.
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Jp267
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Just to give you an idea on how battery compares to corded. Last time I bring up Makita. Promise! [emoji846] My Makita 36v SDS Plus 1 inch can do 0- 5,000bpm and 2.2 pounds of impact energy with two 18v 5.0ah batteries. And I got my weight mixed up with another breaker hammer after yanking the manual it's closer to 12 pounds. I have an older corded 1in SDS Plus that does 4,500bpm with 2 pounds of energy per blow. So the cordless 36v 1 in SDS Plus Makitas are surpassing the corded 1in SDS Plus by a little. The SDS Max I have is a 2in so much larger. That one does 1,100 - 2,200bpm w/14 pounds of impact per blow. So the 36v SDS Plus has surpassed the corded. However it's going to take a lot of battery to match a corded SDS Max. No more talking about Makita now! Sorry!Very true. I recently moved across the country and ended up selling my compressor. The other day I needed to knock some pins out of some clamps, so I tried my 1" Fuel SDS with a pointed chisel. It actually worked awesome haha. If you're in a pinch and you have the room, a good SDS can get the job done.
However:
My air hammer (a mid grade Ingersoll, not even close to the best one available) is definitely more powerful and it is definitely a heck of a lot smaller in EVERY way. A cordless version would be so slick, but I honestly don't think it's possible. A rotary hammer IS what it'd have to be - it's an electropneumatic mechanism that does the hitting. Downsizing the tool means downsizing the motor and the components, that means less power. It can't happen. Air is king here. I'd love to be proven wrong though
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subarub4
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subarub4
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100% I got a stuck bolt I can't get off now it's somewhat rounded... does any cordless company have a air hammer that's cordless?
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Jp267
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Now that would bees knees. I'd buy that for a dollar.
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subarub4
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How soon till we find out the deals for black Friday for Milwaukee?
Ign
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Milwaukee proper doesn't really do anything for BF. Home Depot kinda will, but I'd watch to see if HD does the season-long promo this year of a free tool when you buy a kit and they pro-rate the discount.
But sign up for BFads and they'll email you as they get them. I just got an email the True Value ad is out (which I only want for the 50% off one item coupon) but I didn't have time to look at it.
edit: interesting read here about HD threatening them for 2017:
https://www.bfads.net/
oh and the TV ad - don't waste your time. A corded sawzall, really? Great.
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