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After a year of constant using of Nepros wrenches and sockets, I can say this:Amazing!!!
No fails, no disfunction, no rust, no scratch at all!!! My "friends" used wrenches as hammers all day long, just to piss me off! Not even one scratch!
I have no second set of wrenches and sockets, these are my first and only choice.
I will definitely extend my Nepros collection, as soon as I get some money!
 
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After a year of constant using of Nepros wrenches and sockets, I can say this:Amazing!!!
No fails, no disfunction, no rust, no scratch at all!!! My "friends" used wrenches as hammers all day long, just to piss me off! Not even one scratch!
I have no second set of wrenches and sockets, these are my first and only choice.
I will definitely extend my Nepros collection, as soon as I get some money!

Nice! Thanks for the review. Would you like to post some pics of your tools? :)
 

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2 Iok: I have only crappy phone with me, I will try send some pics in next days.

2 Gotmayhem: I am not from USA, I am from Europe, but we all go and refer to this site:

http://www.nepros.net/?p=0&s=0&t=0

I forgot to mention the first thing that I have to get to used to with Nepros tools: tight fitting! Actually it costed me lot of time to get wrench on bolt, you should pay attention every time!
 

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2 Iok: I have only crappy phone with me, I will try send some pics in next days.

2 Gotmayhem: I am not from USA, I am from Europe, but we all go and refer to this site:

http://www.nepros.net/?p=0&s=0&t=0

I forgot to mention the first thing that I have to get to used to with Nepros tools: tight fitting! Actually it costed me lot of time to get wrench on bolt, you should pay attention every time!

Thanks for the link! Pretty heavy shipping charge though, I think I'll stay with my local brands and trucks until I feel especially wealthy :thumbup:
 

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Tell you what, since I first found out about the Nepros brand and reading all the post on this thread about the product I'm definitely going to purchase some Nepros tools. Let me know about any "group buys" in the future!
 
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I just finished reading through the whole thread!

Has anyone tried their spark plug socket set? How does it compare to others you've tried?
 

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I just finished reading through the whole thread!

Has anyone tried their spark plug socket set? How does it compare to others you've tried?

The Nepros spark plug sockets are excellent like all their tools. They use a very strong magnet to retain the spark plug. I think I prefer the KTC spark plug sockets since they use 2 springs instead of a magnet for spark plug retention. The springs offer the most positive spark plug retention I have come across, better than any magnet or rubber insert.

KTC spark plug socket with spring retention
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Thanks for the replies!
I ended up ordering the Nepro spark plug socket set and the 12 piece 1/4" drive 6pt shallow socket set. Since I didn't see any pics in this thread of the spark plug sockets I'll post them once they arrive in the mail.
I've never tried a magnet or a spring clip spark plug socket before, only my dad's very old rubber snap on socket, so I don't have a preference other than I know I don't like the rubber style.
 

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The Nepros spark plug sockets are excellent like all their tools. They use a very strong magnet to retain the spark plug. I think I prefer the KTC spark plug sockets since they use 2 springs instead of a magnet for spark plug retention. The springs offer the most positive spark plug retention I have come across, better than any magnet or rubber insert.
A great idea, but how are the springs attached to the socket? I'd hate to be putting my tools away at the end of a job and notice one missing. :scared:
 

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I ended up ordering the Nepro spark plug socket set and the 12 piece 1/4" drive 6pt shallow socket set. Since I didn't see any pics in this thread of the spark plug sockets I'll post them once they arrive in the mail.


Cool! :thumbup:
 

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Hi this is a question about their wobble extensions. Do these have the characteristics of the SO wobble plus? Can be used both as a wobble and a locked straight extension?

I am going to order some Nepros semi deep sockets and the Koken 3/8 dr. T-Handle Spinner# 3715SLK. After everything I heard and the hours/days of research I am finally jumping in the water. Love my Hazet, Gedore, Matco and SO tools, but it is time to put Japan's best in my box. I'll let you know how the water is.
 
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I don't know about the Nepro extensions but Koken offers the wobble plus style. I picked up the 6 piece 1/4" drive set and loved it enough that I ordered the 3/8" drive set as well. I picked Koken over Nepro for extensions because the love the knurling right near the female end that prevents them rolling away from me and lets you easily spin the extension with your fingers.
 

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I was looking at the Koken offering for extensions and was quite impressed with the over all look of them. How is the chrome holding up?

I have been hearing good things about the KTC extension product line. Anybody have any insight to the advantages of either over the other? Besides the obvious knurl advan of Koken. I'm mainly interested in the physical characteristics and strengths of the chrome and metal. Nepros vs KTC vs Koken. the big 3 of Japan. Any hands on experience with any 2 or 3 of them?
 

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I was looking at the Koken offering for extensions and was quite impressed with the over all look of them. How is the chrome holding up?

I have been hearing good things about the KTC extension product line. Anybody have any insight to the advantages of either over the other? Besides the obvious knurl advan of Koken. I'm mainly interested in the physical characteristics and strengths of the chrome and metal. Nepros vs KTC vs Koken. the big 3 of Japan. Any hands on experience with any 2 or 3 of them?

I have both Ko-Ken and Nepros extensions. The finish on Nepros is by far the best, but the Ko-Ken knurling makes them my favorite. Ko-Ken breaker bars are my fave too :rocker:

If Ko-Ken would only add knurling to their sockets...
 

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If Ko-Ken would only add knurling to their sockets...

That is a great idea! I would be tempted to replace all of my Wright sockets if they did that.

ArcStyles: I've haven't had the Ko-ken extensions long enough to really put them to really hard use/abuse but after a month of garage wrenching (including removing, taking apart, putting back together, and installing an engine) I have yet to notice any issues. I am in SoCal so I have no way of judging how to hold up against rust since not much rusts out here.

Japanese tools seem like they might be starting to have a supply problem. I'm still waiting for my Ko-ken 3/8" drive extensions to arrive from the tool network (ordered on the 15th of last month) and I just got an email from Nepros.net letting me know that my spark plug socket set and 12 piece 1/4" drive short socket set are currently out of stock and won't ship till around the middle of this month. Seems like my pics of the spark plug sockets are going to be delayed a bit. Anyone else ever see wait times like this?
 

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I ordered the Koken 1/4' 6-piece Extension Set (from Level Chrome) on the 27th of Feb. and I always ask for a "Tracking Number" to be provided to me when ordereing anything and was informed that they 'first' needed to receive it from Japan (since their warehouse did not stock them?) and once they did they would ship and provide me with a Tracking Number. So currently I'm in waiting status mode. I didn't inquiry as to how long it would take. :dunno:

But I'm looking forward to ordering the NEPROS 3/8' & 1/2' socket sets, extension sets and ratchet sets!
 
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A great idea, but how are the springs attached to the socket? I'd hate to be putting my tools away at the end of a job and notice one missing. :scared:

I don't think you have to worry about losing the springs. I have a couple T-handle universal plug sockets that are nearly 30 years old with the same style springs for plug retention and the springs still work perfectly. The springs are locked in the socket walls so I don't see any way to lose them.
 

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Ricleh,

That plug socket you posted must be a Ko-ken; not a KTC. KTC only does magnetic, AFAIK.



RE: wait times
Unfortunately there's no warehouse in North America that stocks individuals or sets of Nepros/KTC tools. When we order from the Nepros.net website, we ordering directly from the manufacturer. We're not ordering from an online reseller that may keep stock of the most popular items.
So, from my understanding, when an order gets placed through Nepros.net, your items may or may not be stocked at KTC at that particular time.
Say you order a Nepros adjustable wrench, but you're told they don't have one in stock. I take it that that means your adjustable wrench will not be ready until the factory is ready to produce the next round of Nepros adjustable wrenches. The factory has a fixed schedule of what they are going to be producing for any given day. They don't produce the Nepros adjustable wrench every single day. Perhaps they only forge them once a month, dependant on what the demands might be. The plant primarily produces the KTC brand as that's what makes up the majority of their product line; Nepros is secondary.
I think that's why wait times can be long.


RE: wobble-plus
I have both Ko-ken and Nepros extensions, but all my Nepros ones are conventional, fixed type only. For wobble-plus extensions, I chose Ko-ken over Nepros because I'd rather have a greater surface area contacting the socket during those times when you use it in the fixed position. The downside to the Ko-ken is that you may get frustrated at times when the socket slip into the fixed position when you don't want it to. That's happened to me several times, when I'm trying to fasten a bolt, pushing the component with my ratchet. I guess it's operator error...should use a dedicated wobble extension. .....but with the Nepros having such a small contact area, you might save yourself that frustration. Can others comment if the Nepros wobble-plus is easier to work with?
 

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That is a great idea! I would be tempted to replace all of my Wright sockets if they did that.

ArcStyles: I've haven't had the Ko-ken extensions long enough to really put them to really hard use/abuse but after a month of garage wrenching (including removing, taking apart, putting back together, and installing an engine) I have yet to notice any issues. I am in SoCal so I have no way of judging how to hold up against rust since not much rusts out here.

Japanese tools seem like they might be starting to have a supply problem. I'm still waiting for my Ko-ken 3/8" drive extensions to arrive from the tool network (ordered on the 15th of last month) and I just got an email from Nepros.net letting me know that my spark plug socket set and 12 piece 1/4" drive short socket set are currently out of stock and won't ship till around the middle of this month. Seems like my pics of the spark plug sockets are going to be delayed a bit. Anyone else ever see wait times like this?

When I was ordering my Nepros stuff, I always emailed KTC/Nepros first with a wish list. Once I got the reply of what was in stock I ordered. 3-4 days later it would show FedEx :bounce:

I think I waited 4 months for the adjustable wrench, they emailed me when it was ready, and I paid for it then. Never paid for anything up front from KTC.

Ko-Ken on the other hand was always a wait, but I knew this before hand, and had no problems with Frankstools.
 

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You guys are a bunch of enablers...those are some great looking tools. Wanna get my hands on some, and toss a couple at my instructors just to see what they think. Lol.
Nepros, KTC, Koken...Hazet...Beta...Knippex...Gedore...so much to try out. Lol. These international tool threads are killin' me!
 

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You guys are a bunch of enablers...those are some great looking tools. Wanna get my hands on some, and toss a couple at my instructors just to see what they think. Lol.
Nepros, KTC, Koken...Hazet...Beta...Knippex...Gedore...so much to try out. Lol. These international tool threads are killin' me!

Don't forget Stahwille :rocker:
 

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Superautobacs,

You're right, it is a Koken. My mistake. I really like the spring retention for spark plug sockets.

Also Ko-Ken's nut grip sockets, and hex-bits(similar to Wiha magic ring).
 

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How are these Koken nut grip sockets. Do you have these in your arsenal and what are the ins and outs of them?

They can really save your ****. Unlike magnet inserts, the nut-grips work on aluminum and stainless steel fasteners too. Beats having to stuff masking tape/dumdum/tissue or what have you. You don't have to worry about oil and grease getting soaked by those things, making them less effective. The nut-grip on the other hand will still hold the fastener....of course, to a certain extent....you can't expect it to hold a really long, heavy bolt vertically.

Using them on the end of a really long extension is a prime example of where they shine. You don't have to worry about losing the fastener as you pull it out (although carefully). Likewise, when installing it back in, you can thread the fastener much easier without having to dig your hand way in there to start the fastener (if space even allows for you hand).
Another area is the side of an engine, where the fastener sits in an area your fingers can't get to. Simply insert the fastener into the socket and let the threading begin! No muss, no fuss. Save yourself some cursing from dropping those small fasteners a cramped engine bay.

I like them especially in the smaller sizes: 1/4" drive, from 7mm - 13mm shallow, and I have some in 3/8" drive shallow, and an extra deep 10mm.
 
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Here's a comparison for OD specs for Nepros, Ko-ken (standard and Zeal), Snap-on, and Hazet sparkplug sockets:


The socket size is followed by the part #

Ko-ken 3300CZ-14 = 18.44mm
Ko-ken 3300C-14 = 18.96mm
Nepros NB3-14SP = 18.5mm
Snap-on S9714MKR = 19.6mm


Ko-ken 3300CZ-16 = 20.55mm
Ko-ken 3300C-16 = 20.58mm
Nepros NB3-16SP = 20.70mm
Snap-on S9706KRA = 21.4mm
Hazet 880A MgT-16 = 21.7mm
Hazet 880A MG T-1 = 21.9mm


Ko-ken 3300CZ-18 = 22.90mm
Ko-ken3300C-18 = 23.91mm
Nepros NB3-18SP = 23.0mm
Hazet 880MgT-18 = 23.5mm


Ko-ken 3300CZ-20.8 = 26.21mm
Ko-ken 3300C-20.8 = 26.90mm
Nepros NB3-20.8SP = 26.3mm
Snap-on S9704KR = 26.9mm
Hazet 880MgT20,8 = 27.4mm
Hazet 880KF-20,8 = 27.4mm
 

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Interesting comparison. Looks like Hazet is consistently the biggest. While Hazets are also probably the strongest, I think that for spark plug sockets, thinner is better. Looking at the design for the Zeal sockets, you can see how Ko-ken really focused on making them as narrow as possible. Looks like Nepros are a close second in thickness although they do use magnets instead of spring clips.
 

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I think there was some discussion about the durability of the chrome on Nepros products.

There are many factors that are involved in creating a strong, long-lasting finish. It's not as simple as hanging the tools on a rack and dumping them into a series of bath solutions, and voila, you end up with a durable shiney finish. The manufacturing stage previous to that is equally, if not more important than the surface finishing stage.

Each manufacturing stage affects the following stages. Just like in the construction trade, where the quality of the framing and forming trade will affect how the drywall trade can do their fit and finish. Likewise, in the tool production, each stage is affected by the quality of the preceding production stage. If each of those production stages are executed properly, the final product will be of top quality---this is the model the Nepros brand follows.

Before the tools get to the surface finishing stage, they undergo a heat treating process. The heat treating process is absolutely vital, a crucial production stage, that will largely determine the strength the toughness of the metal. KTC does the heat treating differently for their Nepros brand. They invested in the purchase of two vacuum furnaces dedicated for the heat treating of all Nepros items, at a price tag of 1 million US $, each.

Typically, after a tool gets its heat treatment, they are transported to the next manufacturing stage by a conveyor system for transport (either by a system of belts or wheeled, or a combination of both); however, with all Nepros items, the tools are arranged neatly and spaced away from each other so that there’s no chance of surface damage during transport. It’s quite unlikely that any other brand in the world treats their tools like that.
In the same orderly fashion, the tools are placed into the vacuum furnace. The advantage of a vacuum furnace is its ability to create an environment free of oxygen.
Here’s an excerpt from Wikipedia on the purpose and benefits of a vacuum furnace:
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A vacuum furnace is a type of furnace that can heat materials, typically metals, to very high temperatures and carry out processes such as brazing, sintering and heat treatment with high consistency and low contamination.
In a vacuum furnace the product in the furnace is surrounded by a vacuum. The absence of air or other gases prevents heat transfer with the product through convection and removes a source of contamination. Some of the benefits of a vacuum furnace are:

• Uniform temperatures in the range 1100–1500°C (2000–2800°F)
• Temperature can be controlled within a small area
• Low contamination of the product by carbon, oxygen and other gases
• Quick cooling (quenching) of product.
• The process can be computer controlled to ensure metallurgical repeatability.

Heating metals to high temperatures normally causes rapid oxidation, which is undesirable. A vacuum furnace removes the oxygen and prevents this from happening.

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Another side benefit to this process is that hydrogen embrittlement is eliminated. Any hydrogen diffused into the metal can result in an increased chance of cracking.

Once they are heat treated the tools are transported to the surface finishing facility. With the regular KTC line, the tools will be placed into a vibratory polishing unit until the desired finish is attained. However, with the Nepros brand, the tools are placed into a different vibratory unit with the appropriate polishing slurry and ceramic stones. Unlike the standard KTC line where there's a lot of tools done at once, with Nepros, they limit the number of tools in the unit so that they are not hitting eachother during the process. They spend about twice the time in the vibratory machine compared to the KTC line, and specially trained eyes ensure the desired polishing is achieved.

Following this stage, the tools are set to undergo the 3-stage electro-plating process. AFAIK, the difference here between the KTC and Nepros line is how the tools are hung on the racks. Typically, the tools are hung vertically for the duration of the plating process. With the Nepros line, they either stagger the tools so that the liquid solution doesn't drip onto the tools hung below, or they limit the number of tools to be hung on the dipping rack so that there's no chance of receiving a drip.

As a final measure, the Nepros tools are placed into a heat chamber, like an oven, for 24 hours, under 200*C. This is to ensure the tools are absolutely free of any and all moisture. This marks the final stage of the surface finishing stage.

I hope this write up shows the level of quality in surface finishing that KTC pushes for their Nepros brand. Kyoto is argueably the center for Japan's craftsmen--excellent craftsmanship is in their DNA, I suppose. :)
 

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I hope this write up shows the level of quality in surface finishing that KTC pushes for their Nepros brand.

Nice description of how they make the tools. Several people have said in this thread that the quality of the Nepros chrome surpasses that of snap on. I'm looking forward to seeing it in person once my socket sets arrive!
 

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Just thought I'd resurrect this thread, mainly to point out to any other Brits on this site that Nepros now ship to the U.K!

I'd been keeping an eye on the website and as soon as U.K. shipping was available I ordered a few bits.

I have to say I'm generally fairly satisfied. I needed a couple of 6 point wrenches anyway, and these seem to be quite nice. The quality of the steel, the broaching and the finishing are all good! Shame that when they put the hole in the 8mm end they missed the middle, giving more wall thickness one sude than the other! Never had that problem with Snap On!

The sockets and extensions are all superb, my only beef is that the 3/8 drive sliding T, while of superb design, is a bit 'light gauge' compared to the rest. I was also a bit disappointed with the 3/8 ratchet - when you put a socket or extension on, they are really wobbly. Not what I was expecting. Any of you guys know if this is common, or have I got a dodgy one?

The best surprise was the wooden handled screwdrivers! The quality of these is simply awesome. Nobody has bothered to make a wooden handled screwdriver for engineering, rather than carpentry, since the Stanley drivers of the 1960's, and these are superb! The handles are some sort of hardwood, finished with a colour coded varnish, and feel awesome! If they last as well as they look I'll be well happy! They just need to offer a Pozidriv for the U.K. market now, and sort out their quality control!!
 

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Contact them with your concerns. Their customer service has been excellent for me. I have not had problems such as you are describing. I agree the wooden handled screwdrivers are outstanding.
 

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Dave,

As far as fitment play goes, the 1/4" drive stuff is for the most part excellent. I do have a couple sockets that had more play than the rest of the bunch, but it's not alarming....I'd say it's within industry standard. My 3/8" drive is excellent with no faults, but the same can't be said for the 1/2" drive sockets which have more play than I was expecting (at least the ones that I have), but again, within industry norms. So, even at their level of manufacturing, not everything is perfect, unfortunately.

You're lucky that you haven't found any QC issues with Snap-on though; I've seen quite a few things, including off-center broaching on wrenches.

Those wood handles are made out of maple. The most beautiful wooden screwdrivers every offered on this planet. :thumbup:
 

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The sockets and extensions are all superb, my only beef is that the 3/8 drive sliding T, while of superb design, is a bit 'light gauge' compared to the rest. I was also a bit disappointed with the 3/8 ratchet - when you put a socket or extension on, they are really wobbly. Not what I was expecting. Any of you guys know if this is common, or have I got a dodgy one?

Hello Dave,
I agree with you, i have 2 3/8 ratchet and they wobble quite a bit too. But then again the only thing I can compare it too is a CM ratchet. Pls let us know how KTC will respond to your concerns. Really does put a damper on some of my future purchases because I do love the balance of the ratchet and the feel of the handle. This is the only thing that i find wrong with them.
 

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O.K. folks! Here's a bit if an update!

Had a measure up of the ratchet handle, and there's no reason there why the sockets / extensions should be wobbly! All dim's to within .0001" (yes, 10 thou) of the (rigid) sliding T! However, you can depress the locking ball on the ratchet really easily with a finger tip! A quick check of my other quick release ratchets (Snap On and Stahlwille) and you can only just do it with finger pressure so... I reckon that's where the problem lies!

One solution would be to get the round head ratchet, the other (assuming It's a design problem rather than a one off dodgy tool) is simply a stronger spring! I'll see if KTC agree!

I've also now had a chance to put this stuff to work, and I have to say I am now really impressed! The tolerances of these wrenches are really tight! Although there's ample clearance to slide them on, there's no slop when in place! Loosening tight fasteners seems really easy, and no matter how hard you lean on them the fastener isn't marked! Awesome!

The only downside was dropping one of the wrenches from the top of a Land Rover on to a concrete floor! Typical that happens to a new wrench! Needn't have worried - it was completely unmarked! This Chrome is tough!
 
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