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I am very suprised no-one has posted this.

I was at sears in the USA a couple weeks ago and found a box of these
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this is why there has been socket clearances.

sad.
 
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Aren't those for the pass-through sets? The Max Axess aren't regular sockets.

Been made in China since they came out I believe.
 

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Yes, the Max-Axess is a pass-thru design. I really like the set I have, even though they are made in China.
 

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A couple of weeks ago I bought a 51 piece set in the red case and the salesdroid said that they are planning on carrying a full line of MaxAccess accessories.
 

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i had an argument with the store manager a few days ago at the sears hardware/appliance here locally. i asked about exchanging a ratchet, and whether i would be getting foreign or a USA product in exchange.... she looked at me like i was from mars, and started in on a "the only hand tools we have that are not USA are the evolv and black stuff... etc..."

she absolutely would not even hear what i was saying, so i politely asked her to open the sliding glass cases, and have a look. low and behold, 30 seconds later, she apologized, and her jaw was hanging wide. she found one USA flex 3/8s, the rest was tai and chi. still tons of NOS, but all polished chrome wrenches for the most part, and some of the larger sets of wrenches were china.

i thought it was odd that the employees dont even know as of recent. was at a full line store about a week ago, asking the same questions... they had no clue. one male tool associate swore nothing was changing, and everything was staying USA.... hard to believe its not well known yet.:dunno:
 

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i thought it was odd that the employees dont even know as of recent. was at a full line store about a week ago, asking the same questions... they had no clue. one male tool associate swore nothing was changing, and everything was staying USA.... hard to believe its not well known yet.:dunno:

Fact is most people dont care enough to pay attention.
 

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last week i warrantied a socket and the one i received was made in the USA, dont know if its NOS but most of my local sears cman stuff is still all USA made
 

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last week i warrantied a socket and the one i received was made in the USA, dont know if its NOS but most of my local sears cman stuff is still all USA made
from what i have seen, regular drive sockets are still usa made. not much else though. RP wrenches still are. cant think of much else.
 

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Fact is most people dont care enough to pay attention.

i had just figured the employees would have probably dealt with customers complaints, or some situation which would have enlightened them. or even an internal memo, or something.
 

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I have the same issue with my sears locations and constantly tell them they are driving us away.

They don't seem to care that they are selling out and the worst of it is that they will want to replace my USA tools will non USA tools. At that point I will demand the value in cash and buy some other tools that are made in the USA, not sure I will get the cash but I will try..
 

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What needs to occur is a class action suit against Sears for breach of contract and false advertising. The consumers have bought Craftsman products for decades "in good faith" relying on the advertising and Made in the USA markings only to be duped into a product of alternative COO that was not disclosed under the initial contract/sale. I was just talking with my father about this at length yesterday. As mentioned before, unfortunately most of the general public no longer cares so much about COO as opposed to how cheap they can purchase it for. Some are also completely unaware. Even my father didn't know how many major names are now manufacturing their products elsewhere, and he's been a mechanic for 45 years.
 

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What needs to occur is a class action suit against Sears for breach of contract and false advertising. The consumers have bought Craftsman products for decades "in good faith" relying on the advertising and Made in the USA markings only to be duped into a product of alternative COO that was not disclosed under the initial contract/sale. I was just talking with my father about this at length yesterday. As mentioned before, unfortunately most of the general public no longer cares so much about COO as opposed to how cheap they can purchase it for. Some are also completely unaware. Even my father didn't know how many major names are now manufacturing their products elsewhere, and he's been a mechanic for 45 years.

Here we go again:willy_nil.....and where in this "contract" does it state that Sears will replace it with a US made product?:dunno:

Maybe we can sue Mcdonald's next for not using 98% lean beef in their burgers......:lol:
 

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Maybe we can sue Mcdonald's next for not using 98% lean beef in their burgers......:lol:
Has McDonald's ever advertised their beef was 98% lean? No then that would be an apples to oranges comparison

where in this "contract" does it state that Sears will replace it with a US made product?
It doesn't have to be written on paper. You can get sued for breaking an implied contract or warranty. That's why most legal disclaimers have a line in them something to the effect of... "Any warranty, real or implied...".

For more years then I can remember, the trailer to every Craftsman advertisement I've seen or heard all ended pretty much the same way; "Craftsman tools are made in the USA and warrantied for life". IMO it would be a pretty easy legal argument to prove that since the emphasized "Made in the USA" was inserted right along side the "Warrantied for life" statement that they implied a broken tool would be replaced with a made in the USA tool.

Now mind you, I'm not saying that suing Sears is the right thing to do and ultimately, win or loose I don't think its going to change anything anyway. My guess is within 10 years Sears will go belly up. If they do, their "Lifetime Warranty" will be worth as much as the cardboard insert it was printed on.

On the upside if that does happen, 50 years from now Craftsman tools will become collectors items and those of us that bought these, by in large, mediocre tools we've all bought mostly because we couldn't afford better will be looked at like they were equal too or better then SO and collector will pay crazy stupid prices for them.
 

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So back to the original post,

I'm glad to hear they will start carrying a full line of the pass through stuff. It needs to happen or else no one will adopt this new and improved product. And that being said, Sears will never stop carrying the older square drive stuff. Never. There's simply too much of it around. Take a look at Lowes..... they now carry a full line of the square drive more than ever before. Just this week though I saw an end isle display of their new pass through *spine* stuff. But they don't sell single pass through sockets, nor any additional bits. The sale items was to reduce stock overhead, nothing more. I'd like to think they would laser etch the swivel sockets but unlikely.
 

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Has McDonald's ever advertised their beef was 98% lean? No then that would be an apples to oranges comparison


It doesn't have to be written on paper. You can get sued for breaking an implied contract or warranty. That's why most legal disclaimers have a line in them something to the effect of... "Any warranty, real or implied...".

For more years then I can remember, the trailer to every Craftsman advertisement I've seen or heard all ended pretty much the same way; "Craftsman tools are made in the USA and warrantied for life". IMO it would be a pretty easy legal argument to prove that since the emphasized "Made in the USA" was inserted right along side the "Warrantied for life" statement that they implied a broken tool would be replaced with a made in the USA tool.

Now mind you, I'm not saying that suing Sears is the right thing to do and ultimately, win or loose I don't think its going to change anything anyway. My guess is within 10 years Sears will go belly up. If they do, their "Lifetime Warranty" will be worth as much as the cardboard insert it was printed on.

On the upside if that does happen, 50 years from now Craftsman tools will become collectors items and those of us that bought these, by in large, mediocre tools we've all bought mostly because we couldn't afford better will be looked at like they were equal too or better then SO and collector will pay crazy stupid prices for them.



they did get in trouble a few years back for advertising craftsman as American made. When is the last time you saw an ad where they said craftsman tools are American made? I don't think they use that slogan anymore...but I could be wrong.
 

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When is the last time you saw an ad where they said craftsman tools are American made?

I have numerous packaging from Craftsman over the years that says "Proudly made in the USA" and displaying the American flag - it's interesting to note that the 'new' china made Craftsman stuff doesn't say "Proudly made in the People's Republic of China" on it! I wonder if they're ashamed to admit it? :)
 
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I have numerous packaging from Craftsman over the years that says "Proudly made in the USA" and displaying the American flag - it's interesting to note that the 'new' china made Craftsman stuff doesn't say "Proudly made in the People's Republic of China" on it! I wonder if they're ashamed to admit it? :)

That's not an ad, though...
 

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My guess is within 10 years Sears will go belly up.

I don't think Sears has that much life left in her... my money is on 3 years, 4 years very tops.

Craftsman tools will outlive Sears - but instead of being a quality brand it once was know for it will become a cheap imported from whatever 3rd world chithole can make it the cheapest and sold at autoparts houses and junk stores nationwide.
 

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Sorry if I posted something that's been brought up ad-naseum, was not my intent. But yes, sears could effectively have to fight such a battle should it ever be pursued. I also think we will begin to see a cease of many tools. If they don't produce them nothing to provide in return. I was disappointed with the latest tools catalog that came to my house and only had what seemed to be 30% craftsman tools...
 

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So back to the original post,

I'm glad to hear they will start carrying a full line of the pass through stuff. It needs to happen or else no one will adopt this new and improved product. And that being said, Sears will never stop carrying the older square drive stuff. Never. There's simply too much of it around....

new, yes. improved? i see it as just a new tool, with a small niche. i dont think anyone would ever expect them to stop the standard square drive stuff. the advantage of the pass through stuff is small over a ratcheting wrench. i can imagine few and far between scenarios where a pass through ratchet has any advantage over a ratcheting wrench. there are some. but not many. i would guess the pass through stuff would take considerably less stress before giving in, but that is just a guess. no real world experience with the stuff..
 

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I don't think Sears has that much life left in her... my money is on 3 years, 4 years very tops.

Craftsman tools will outlive Sears - but instead of being a quality brand it once was know for it will become a cheap imported from whatever 3rd world chithole can make it the cheapest and sold at autoparts houses and junk stores nationwide.

Craftsman will outlive Sears likely, but as you said, the second Sears is gone, so will likely any remainder of tools made in USA with the Craftsman label.

I've heard talk that Sears is essentially Harbor Freight with higher prices and the occasional item made in USA item, but I am seeing a great deal of those items on clearance or being outright bought.

I've noticed though, this isn't always the case, but some of the Sears employee's don't even seem to care at all about where the items are made. While that really doesn't bug me, it's just amazing to see that attitude. Years ago that certainly wasn't very prevalent.
 

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While I am upset to see Sears/Craftsman going down this route, what are the chances that this route could help them cut costs (and I admit, quality will inevitably drop too, for now) and get out of any acquired debt? If Sears/Craftsman is able to get free of debt, would a private company possibly be willing to buy them back in a few years, so as to return their manufacturing facilities back to the states? (i.e.- rebirth of a company).

Gah, it's 2am here... Maybe it's a pipedream.
 

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All big box retailers have done or are going overseas with their products

Lowes did it with their kobolt brands

Home depot did it with their husky brands

A couple years ago I needed to replace a 1/2 in drive electric drill. Went to Lowes looking for a either a dewalt or milwaukee. Lowes didn't carry milwaukee just dewalt. I asked the clerk which brands they carried were made in USA. "Why all of them of course" was the reply. either taiwan or mexico. Went to sears as they carried milwaukkee--made in taiwan
 

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Why is Sears held to a different standard than every other retailer in the United States?

And judging from an article posted in a different thread, Sears is doing very well, financially.
 

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Why is Sears held to a different standard than every other retailer in the United States?

what other retailer has offered USA tools for as many years as sears? and then switched them out for commy ****? yeah lowes did it with kobalt, but really, i dont think it compares in the slightest. sears, and craftsman have been an american staple for eons. i think you would be hard pressed to find a mechanic, or anyone with any amount of hand tools that does not have SOME craftsman in their collection. cant say the same for other retailers. i for one have zero kobalt, but have a considerable craftsman collection.
 

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one thing i havent heard much on tho, is the quality of these tools coming from taiwan or china for danaher. how is the quality? i have one craftsman taiwan tool, a flex bent handle 3/8ths ratchet, and it has the tightest tolerances of any of the ten or so craftsman ratchets i own. probably a fluke, but its interesting to me anyways. i have zero experience with the china ratchets or anything else. that ratchet is the only non USA craftsman i own.
 

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Why is Sears held to a different standard than every other retailer in the United States?

Because they've surreptitiously removed any traces of COO from packaging (it's there, but hard to see), quite a change from the "loud and proud" attitude they were pushing not tool long ago at all.

The thing is, they are MORE than happy to continue to ride the false belief of the public, that Craftsman remains an American brand... it's so far from American now, it's almost laughable. :lol_hitti


Look at Toby Keith's "Made in America". He sings about Craftsman tools in that song in a very patriotic manner, yet he seems completely oblivious that Craftsman is now Made-in-Chinaman. That song actually makes me furious, because he's singing about an American patriot using an American Craftsman wrench, when in fact the American brand Craftsman that he's singing about, doesn't even exist any more (the sad thing, the RP wrenches are about the only thing left that's still USA made).

IMO today's Craftsman DOES NOT belong in a patriotic song like that, period. They don't deserve it one bit.

Trust me, Sears management LOVES that they can get away with selling Chinese **** with NO COO marking, and customers will still think it's USA made Craftsman because they're too lazy to read the teeny tiny "China" written on the back of the package hidden under the barcode.

In fact, it's what they're counting on. It's the EXACT reason they purposely removed the American flags and "Made in USA" markings from the packaging on items that are still USA made, such as the screwdrivers... it's so the customers don't look at them on the shelf and see a difference, and then start looking into things too much.

They're purposely trying to keep the average customer in the dark as long as possible.
 

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What's the solution? Would you like them to run a campaign making sure that all of America is aware that some of their stuff is now made in China?

That's not smart business.

You know some of their stuff is made overseas now. If YOU don't like it... then don't buy it. You don't need to make these decisions for other people.

For the record, i'm not really a fan of it all either, but that's not the point.
 

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Because they've surreptitiously removed any traces of COO from packaging (it's there, but hard to see), quite a change from the "loud and proud" attitude they were pushing not tool long ago at all.

The thing is, they are MORE than happy to continue to ride the false belief of the public, that Craftsman remains an American brand... it's so far from American now, it's almost laughable. :lol_hitti


Look at Toby Keith's "Made in America". He sings about Craftsman tools in that song in a very patriotic manner, yet he seems completely oblivious that Craftsman is now Made-in-Chinaman. That song actually makes me furious, because he's singing about an American patriot using an American Craftsman wrench, when in fact the American brand Craftsman that he's singing about, doesn't even exist any more (the sad thing, the RP wrenches are about the only thing left that's still USA made).

IMO today's Craftsman DOES NOT belong in a patriotic song like that, period. They don't deserve it one bit.

Trust me, Sears management LOVES that they can get away with selling Chinese **** with NO COO marking, and customers will still think it's USA made Craftsman because they're too lazy to read the teeny tiny "China" written on the back of the package hidden under the barcode.

In fact, it's what they're counting on. It's the EXACT reason they purposely removed the American flags and "Made in USA" markings from the packaging on items that are still USA made, such as the screwdrivers... it's so the customers don't look at them on the shelf and see a difference, and then start looking into things too much.

They're purposely trying to keep the average customer in the dark as long as possible.

Either they removed the COO from the packaging, or they didn't.

Seems I have read a thread or two about Snap-On removing the COO from their tools as well.
 

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Craftsman's MaxAccess line of sockets/ratchets have no "Made in" marking on them at all - only exists on the packaging ("Made in China") in very small letters.
 

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What's the solution? Would you like them to run a campaign making sure that all of America is aware that some of their stuff is now made in China?

That's not smart business.

You know some of their stuff is made overseas now. If YOU don't like it... then don't buy it. You don't need to make these decisions for other people.

For the record, i'm not really a fan of it all either, but that's not the point.

Get out of here! Don't you know that making sense isn't allowed in any thread with the word "Sears" in it?

:lol_hitti

I don't like imported Cman stuff and don't plan on buying any, but Sears isn't doing anything illegal or different than half the other tool companies out there. Why they get the amount of **** they do is beyond me. Blue Point, GearWrench, Allen, Kobalt, Husky, Matco, Mac etc. have all started sending production overseas and I highly doubt "China" is any bigger on their packaging than it is at Sears.
 

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Because they've surreptitiously removed any traces of COO from packaging (it's there, but hard to see), quite a change from the "loud and proud" attitude they were pushing not tool long ago at all.

The thing is, they are MORE than happy to continue to ride the false belief of the public, that Craftsman remains an American brand... it's so far from American now, it's almost laughable. :lol_hitti


Look at Toby Keith's "Made in America". He sings about Craftsman tools in that song in a very patriotic manner, yet he seems completely oblivious that Craftsman is now Made-in-Chinaman. That song actually makes me furious, because he's singing about an American patriot using an American Craftsman wrench, when in fact the American brand Craftsman that he's singing about, doesn't even exist any more (the sad thing, the RP wrenches are about the only thing left that's still USA made).

IMO today's Craftsman DOES NOT belong in a patriotic song like that, period. They don't deserve it one bit.

Trust me, Sears management LOVES that they can get away with selling Chinese **** with NO COO marking, and customers will still think it's USA made Craftsman because they're too lazy to read the teeny tiny "China" written on the back of the package hidden under the barcode.

In fact, it's what they're counting on. It's the EXACT reason they purposely removed the American flags and "Made in USA" markings from the packaging on items that are still USA made, such as the screwdrivers... it's so the customers don't look at them on the shelf and see a difference, and then start looking into things too much.

They're purposely trying to keep the average customer in the dark as long as possible.
Maybe you should lead a national boycott on Toby Keith until he re-records that song.
I dont own any of his cd's but I am going to buy some just so I can burn them.
 

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What's the solution? Would you like them to run a campaign making sure that all of America is aware that some of their stuff is now made in China?

That's not smart business.

You know some of their stuff is made overseas now. If YOU don't like it... /then don't buy it. You don't need to make these decisions for other people.

For the record, i'm not really a fan of it all either, but that's not the point.

some of their stuff?? about 75-80% is where i would put it. with a company that has always SHOUTED made in the USA, yes, i believe it should be put out there. is it a smart business move? no. but neither was making an american icon, not american. all caps FORGED IN THE U.S.A, same size as the CRAFTSMAN logo on each tool.... get real. now the china is on the throw away packaging, you need a jewelers loupe to find...

as for not buying it. thats a hard one. i already bought most of it years ago(and recently) confident in the fact i was buying american made tools, and that i would have access to those american tools if and when i have a problem with the ones i paid american prices for. :mad:
 

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i can imagine if snappy moved about 80%+ to china, and kept the prices where they are... what would be said about that one? hey its just business.
 

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some of their stuff?? about 75-80% is where i would put it. with a company that has always SHOUTED made in the USA, yes, i believe it should be put out there. is it a smart business move? no. but neither was making an american icon, not american. all caps FORGED IN THE U.S.A, same size as the CRAFTSMAN logo on each tool.... get real. now the china is on the throw away packaging, you need a jewelers loupe to find...

as for not buying it. thats a hard one. i already bought most of it years ago(and recently) confident in the fact i was buying american made tools, and that i would have access to those american tools if and when i have a problem with the ones i paid american prices for. :mad:


Get real...

You want Craftsman to run an "ad campaign" informing us all that 75% of their stuff is made in China. REALLY?

You're taking this wayyyyyy too far to heart. Here's the harsh fact: The VAST majority of people that buy tools couldn't give a **** where they're made. Everyone on this forum bitching about the fact that Craftsman stuff is going to China? Yeah. We're the minority. You want a company to put their neck on the line and pander to the minorty just so YOU can feel better about the company, and then you won't buy the **** anyways because it's made in china. They put their neck on the line, maybe go out of business, THEN what are you going to do with that warranty you "paid for" when you "paid american prices" for the tools?

Puhhhhhhlease.

I have Craftsman USA tools, and i have Craftsman China tools. You know what? I can't tell the difference. They're both entry level "quality" tools made from the same material, to the same specifications, just in different locations. (I don't particularly like EITHER)

American prices for tools? Come onnnn.... Craftsman stuff is CHEAP.

Go on though... keep cutting off your nose to spite your face.
 
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