The pine garage/ shop

[Orionrising]

First the name.

My garage is in Maine, The pine tree state, I like working with pine, and lots of pine will likely be involved in the interior finish.
I am more of a woodworking guy then a car guy, (though I do work on our vechicles as the mess in the first photos will show)


Backstory:

After a long painful process, we bought our first home, a foreclosure, this winter. After months of delays we moved in in may.

The house came with a 28x38 garage, about ~25 years old. Floor has a couple cracks unfortunately. Per some neighbors, roof on it collapse a couple years ago, so upper area is practically brand new Garage attic trusses.... But they skimped on sheathing it, and just put metal roof over purlins which is going to give me insulation issues.


Walls are insulated and drywall, some of which is damaged, and top strip will have to come off as they did not hurricane strap the new trusses. Has a 100 amp panel, but the drop was removed, and most of the wires cut out with the roof, so that will have to be redone. Doors need some tlc but are functional. So far I have rigged up a couple quad outlets in the rafters to plug in T-8s that I am running off an extension cord.

Mess after redoing brake lines on my truck

Somewhat cleaner


At this point I need to decide what to do about power:
Ie get the drop put back in, or run a line from the house.

And decide what to do about insulating:

I can insulate the ceiling and divide off part of the downstairs and put in an insulalted floor, or look at insulating the upstairs for my workshop, but have the afore mentioned insulation issues.


*** photobucket ate my pics so in the process of uploading originals, but they will now appear at bottom of post rather then embedded.

 

[captain14]

Any reason why the roof collapsed?

Is that daylight I see in photo #2 on the right side? Is there water issues now?

Good space there and I will follow what you do about heating it.

 

[jnkpile]

I also cheaped out and just strapped and tined my roof, my 2"x10" rafters gave me lots of air space above my r22 roxul that I tucked in between, then vapour barrier.

 

[Orionrising]

you in a humid or dry environment? here I think I would have condensation dripping from the back side of the metal wetting the insulation?

There do not appear to be any water issues now other then the driveway in front of the doors need to be repaired to keep water from coming in the front.

I assume the roof collapse was from snow load. With the new trusses and metal no snow stays on the roof.

 

[d3ad1ysp0rk]

Looks nice, lot's of potential there. I've got a 2 car in Portland. Keep us updated!

 

[jnkpile]

Well that's the funny thing about insulating, the air gap created between the insulation and the metal roof, with sufficient soffit and ridge venting, should stay the same temp as the outside. No temp difference means no condensation.

 

[jnkpile]

Any updates?

 

[Orionrising]

still debating what to try for insulation, and have been working on some projects in the house, will post some about that tommorrow

 

[p_mori7]

Those uninsulated garage doors will be a big challenge to keeping the building warm if you decide to insulate and heat it.

I love the shape of the building !

 

[Orionrising]

yes, I will either section off the back half of the garage, finish the attic or both, trying to insulate and heat garage doors around here is an expensive lost cause.

Here is one of the projects I have been working on.

Trim for one of the house rooms we are finishing up.

Even cheap pine trim is roughly a buck a foot.
Standard grade pine from the mill down the road is more like .15-30 cents a foot depending on size.

And I have a router table.

So I have been making some trim and baseboard.


Always remember cloths, rags and gloves etc coated with many finishing projects are spontaneous combustion hazards and must be treated carefully.

Or as I like to be really safe

lit on fire immediately

 

[madoc1]

nice router table. did you build it? if so, you should have no probs fixing your great find.

jim

 

[Orionrising]

yep, built the router table in the attic of my last apartment, other then the top and 3 plywood drawers it weighs practically nothing, luan plywood and strapping, with pocket screws.

todays first project.... replacing a crappy rotten step with nails sticking out of it

 

[Kevin54]

still debating what to try for insulation, and have been working on some projects in the house, will post some about that tommorrow

What about spray foam insulation? You should be able to spray it right on the underside of the metal.

 

[Orionrising]

yes spray foam is an option, but one that would preclude ever replace the roof again

may end up tar papering the inside of the rafters and spray foaming that


much better and safer

 

[Orionrising]

upgraded the garage door security


make sure you clamp it on and put the door up to check clearance, I almost put the hasp to close so the door would catch at the corner

 

[Kevin54]

If you shove the latch thru a little further, you should have a hole in it to put a padlock in.

 

[Orionrising]

yeah, I will lock it eventually, only got one to see how it worked, still need one on the other door.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

That router table is awesome! I was thinking about getting one of those kreg pocket hole jigs and you just convinced me I need one. Lol

 

[Orionrising]

the new Kreg K5 is even nicer, I have the old K4, works well for a huge number of uses, you just have to plan things well so they don't show


Router table is mostly based on these plans, other then the Rockler fence I already had, and that I built it with frames and luan panels instead of plywood for weight reduction
http://www.crestonwood.com/router.php

 

[Strouty]

I see a couple more Mainers! Looking good so far.

 

[Orionrising]

Been working on a cutting board for a wedding present,

 

[Orionrising]

been very busy and out of town, planning my electrical install now

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4293454#post4293454

 

[power wagon]

good to see more mainers here , keep up the good work

 

[Orionrising]

I have power.... not yet hooked to anything but the panel is live

 

[Orionrising]

no more extension cord, ceiling lights and outlet are wired in.

Involved some destruction of draywall, snaking through insulation does no work well.

A wood framed chase will be installed around the panel and to the ceiling

 

[RogueFab]

Congrats on doing the electrical. Nice work so far. That place needed someone like you to take it up a notch. Great big space you have too.

 

[Orionrising]

couple hundred in supplies to install the electric.

SquareD 100 amp panel.

Currently running off a 60 amp breaker in the house, but wire sized for 90 if needed.

Plywood area will be framed into a chase.

Wiring run in 2 inch conduit... cant imagine fitting it through anything smaller. Small line down the side is ground wire. Second 1.5 in conduit buried about 6 inches about it for network etc later.

Current project is turning back 13 feet into a wood shop.
Cutting foam blocks and spray foam sealing them into the open ends of the ceiling trusses.



framing up the first section of wall

(stood it up and put the truck in to make sure it still fit.

Will have a 6'x8' set of double doors into the shop. (that also are right in front of the engine compartment to give me more room to work if need.)

 

[Orionrising]

the previous wiring in the garage is scary (thankfully cut off and abandoned before I bought the place... ripped more out when I opened up the wall to set a plate to nail this dividing wall too.

 

[Ainsley]

no more extension cord, ceiling lights and outlet are wired in.

Makes a huge difference working with the proper light. I went from a halogen worklight on an extension cord to my full blown T8 strips and I wish I had started with the lighting. Especially when it came to painting the floor!

 

[Orionrising]

yep, have only a couple 4' cheapo flourescents right now, will probably go with simple ceramic sockets in garage area, but will need a bunch of t8s for woodshop probably

 

[Orionrising]

spent the day trying to install a garage door opener for the wife..

It did not go well

Apparently not all chamberlain 8' extension chains work with all chamberlain openers... both New in box. An angle grinder was required to shorten the chain by about 8 inches

and then the door was working right....its always drifted to the left, I was hoping opener would be centered to avoid issues nope..

get hung up...
will have to replace pulleys and springs tomorrow and hope that's it...

track is a little bent but still pretty square... and I cant find anywhere yet that sells just tracks locally

 

[Orionrising]

ahh new springs an new pulley make it work better.

Something is still out of wonk though, pulls to the left even when well balanced, will try some new wheels and a square and level check next.

Works with the opener now to 7 feet, get a little hung up at the curve, so is functional but not at full clearance

Dropped a circuit for it as well, and framed another wall section.

 

[Orionrising]

anyone know a good source for colored 20 amp outlets? need to run a couple coded circuits

 

[Orionrising]

Got new camera for Christmas.


New Garage door opener



Identical pair of walls framed.



Tomorrow after work, tapcon down the treated sill plates and attach the walls, then frame in the remaining 4' section.
The left doorway will be studded in with screws for now, opening is framed for later use if needed.

 

[Orionrising]

Got the wall sections up. Turns out the garage if off square and the back half leans to the left side by about 2 degrees... its out 2" in 10 feet. From the drywall ect has been that way a long time, maybe always.

Try and fix, or just brace, sequer and leave as is

 

[Orionrising]

got the rest of the wall framed and working on wiring...

er well I was, Its about 10 below out now, gotta take a break for a couple days till it gets above zero again

 

[Orionrising]

got my new rollers and pulleys for the door in the mail, but thinking working on a metal door whens its below zero out is just gonna end up with something broken. (or my hands frozen to something)

 

[Orionrising]

finally making some progress again.
R60 insulation in the ceiling (took forever, two layers of r30 unfaced, and triangles in all the truss webs ( cut out of the r30 and peeled int 4-5 triangle each.. still there was a couple hundred of them, and spray foam on the gaps in the end wall)



Wall is sheethed, need to finish electrical, insulate the wall and lay down foam and osb subfloor.

With two 1500 watt space heaters had it to about 25 degrees above ambient today so should heat well once the floor mass is insulated out....

gotta decide what to cover the ceiling with too

 

[TonkaJoe]

I have to say I use my Kregg jig for absolutely everything!, super handy to have, and you can make some beautiful projects with it. Didn't know you could buy a vac attachment for it though!? I'll have to look into that one for sure. I also really like that router table you built, I'm in need of building one for mine!.

 

[Orionrising]

the vac attachment came with that system, I think it was the K4? they have a new better version out with an autoadjusting clamp now.