The Ratchet Collection Thread

[RagTopTA]

Heres some ratchets I have scored over the last 2 weeks.

Wizard, Indestro, Duro Chrome, SK, Proto Pro, Davenport Sidewinder

 

[snapmom]

Getting back to the unidentified ratchet, some pics with some dimensions:




And two more questions: "What repair kit may pass for this ratchet? If possible, could anybody give the part number for such a repair kit?"

Most all of the measurements on mine are different. I think this is probably a copy. Also the shape of the inset for the selector switch is different on mine. I do not think a kit would work, as most all the measurements are a bit different, but you could drop in a S/O wheel and see. Most all collectors would beg you to keep it as is, it is a nice piece of history, if you want a good working ratchet set from this period, or any other period, I am sure that you would have a few good offers to trade.

A history note, Japan also made a copy of this rat.

 

[bonneyman]

Heres some ratchets I have scored over the last 2 weeks.

Wizard, Indestro, Duro Chrome, SK, Proto Pro, Davenport Sidewinder

Sweet! Loving the triple play of Duro/Indestro pear head rats.

I have one of the 3/8" versions. It's a fav.

 

[Odinru]

Most all of the measurements on mine are different. I think this is probably a copy. Also the shape of the inset for the selector switch is different on mine. I do not think a kit would work, as most all the measurements are a bit different, but you could drop in a S/O wheel and see. Most all collectors would beg you to keep it as is, it is a nice piece of history, if you want a good working ratchet set from this period, or any other period, I am sure that you would have a few good offers to trade.

A history note, Japan also made a copy of this rat.

snapmom, thank you very much indeed! It's the set owner's wish - to learn details as to possible repair of the ratchet. Sure, I'll let him know of your advice to keep the item as it is.
So, some further search among Japanese toolmakers is necessary. OK.

 

[RagTopTA]

Sweet! Loving the triple play of Duro/Indestro pear head rats.

I have one of the 3/8" versions. It's a fav.

Those are some of my favs! Two were locked up, little Kroil soak and bam good as new!

 

[bonneyman]

Those are some of my favs! Two were locked up, little Kroil soak and bam good as new!

I have pics somewhere of the triple play that I used to have.

P.S. Found them!

 

[RagTopTA]

I have pics somewhere of the triple play that I used to have.

P.S. Found them!

Those are great! I think I have sev more I need to see and tale a family photo!

 

[drivesitfar]

All: i'm surprised i'm not subscribed to this thread cause I have more than a few, but now I am.

keep posting those cool rats!!

 

[Odinru]

Looking at the "ratchet" handle gave us the idea that some parts of it can be detachable:



After some good soaking in WD-40, screws and threads gave in, revealing a spring inside the handle:

And a set of details inside the rat head:


So, as it appears now, the "handle" is a kind of preset torque wrench.

 

[Odes]

Just received this guy in the mail from eBay it’s a HWI USA I always want one with the socket release like that


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[bonneyman]

Just received this guy in the mail from eBay it’s a HWI USA I always want one with the socket release like that...

The one real quick release that works when your hands/the socket is greasy!

 

[davethorik]

Kind of stoked about this rat I just won on ebay. Fairmount B51 in 3/8, a Wright rebrand. Looks to have little use. When it shows up I'll take better pics.

I'm curious if it is single or twin pawl, these don't have date codes like their Wright counterparts do. This would be equivalent to a Wright 3426.

 

[Glen Vassallo]

Hi all. Can anyone tell me what year this ratchet is? It is a 3/8 drive and model number is F 710 D. It is Canadian made. I couldn't find the "9" that is under the selector on the Snap On date chart. Thanks

 

[snapmom]

Date code 66. Snap on made tools in Can. Just a normal rat.

 

[Glen Vassallo]

Thanks snapmom. So the number is upside down. Where can I get a kit for it. We don't have a Snap On dealer here. I have contacted Snap On in the UK but they never got back to me. Thanks again

 

[d42jeep]

Just received this guy in the mail from eBay it’s a HWI USA I always want one with the socket release like that


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That’s nice! I’ve wanted one of those for a while! Here is a Wright 1/2” drive I found at the flea a few weeks ago. It was really rusty but the evaporust bath made it fairly presentable and with some lube it works like new.
-Don

 

[Username already in use]

Just received this guy in the mail from eBay it’s a HWI USA I always want one with the socket release like that

Nice HWI ratchet, Odes. I found a POWR KRAFT version some time ago in 3/8" drive. Link to that post in this thread is HERE.

 

[Land Rover 109]

Nice light wee "King ****" 3/8" ratchet that arrived today.

 

[freudianfloyd]

Not sure if this thread is just for vintage ratchets or any ratchets but took this picture of my ratchet drawer today. There are some vintage Snap On and William's, and even an old New Britain, along with a wide variety of less than vintage.
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[Odes]

Username that powr kraft is nice. I was watch a thorsen Ratchet kit with the same quick release I nearly bought it on eBay but I’m glad I found the whole ratchet instead


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[Odes]

Not sure if this thread is just for vintage ratchets or any ratchets but took this picture of my ratchet drawer today. There are some vintage Snap On and William's, and even an old New Britain, along with a wide variety of less than vintage.
View media item 89894

Love those blue handle snap on Ratchets still don’t have one yet


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[davethorik]

This one looks older to me.
Fairmount B51 in 3/8 drive made by Wright.
Single pawl, 41 clicks.
Forgot to picture it, but tapes right at 7", what I'd consider the short side for standard length 3/8 rat.
Some plating loss but good shape.

 

[davethorik]

Just picked this guy up.
Blackhawk 34999 in 3/8.
Unplated. 60 clicks.
Looks ugly works perfect.
marked PAT. 2554990 & 2981389

 

[LesserSon]

Heres my Lowel I found at the Flea Market here. I think I gave 5 dollars for it. Has three positions on the selector at the bottom. On/Off/Stationary wont move just as Lugs told me. Mine has a small brass plate attached to it.

Look at this one in the UK. Looks like a brother to yours, even to the plate...and the pin in the selector.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/323723435643

 

[LesserSon]

Here’s why I got interested: a No.1. 4Apr1916 patent, 5/8”AF hex drive for $4.23. Going to see if I have an adapter to fit. **** switch works. Locks up movement between the left and right positions, but there’s no middle detent; is that correct?
I’m going to clean it up after I get my OS working again. Tax season is upon us.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Here’s why I got interested: a No.1. 4Apr1916 patent, 5/8”AF hex drive. Going to see if I have an adapter to fit.

Do you mean an adaptor to make it square drive?

**** switch works. Locks up movement between the left and right positions, but there’s no middle detent; is that correct?

I'm not sure what you mean by "detent" in this context, LS, but if you turn the knob all the way to the left or the right, you can hear and feel the pawl engage for forward or reverse ratcheting. If you leave it in the middle, the knob has some play, the pawl is disengaged, and you can use it like a static wrench.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I am flummoxed on the plate. When I saw Rags' here and on the Lowell thread, I figured it was some kind of user mod. Now that there are two of them, I'm not so sure. I wonder if Lowell discovered something amiss in the middle of a run, and the brazed plate has something to do with the fix.

 

[d42jeep]

Nice HWI ratchet, Odes. I found a POWR KRAFT version some time ago in 3/8" drive. Link to that post in this thread is HERE.

I thought that your ratchet was Thorsen but apparently I was mistaken. I also found a Powr-Kraft ratchet like yours on eBay.
-Don

 

[LesserSon]

I am flummoxed on the plate. When I saw Rags' here and on the Lowell thread, I figured it was some kind of user mod. Now that there are two of them, I'm not so sure. I wonder if Lowell discovered something amiss in the middle of a run, and the brazed plate has something to do with the fix.

Could be. There’s quite a bit of machining on the inside, maybe a tool would sometimes cut through to the outside, or close enough to weaken the wall or create a deformation. That’s about where the pawls bear against the tension of the springs, the set screw rotates in a channel, and the selector rod terminates in a blind pocket. Maybe needed extra support until they worked out a different machining technique.

 

[LesserSon]

Do you mean an adaptor to make it square drive?

Yes. Or any plug. I aborted my search, because I see my hex drive Indestro and hex drive Hinsdale boxes are buried.
Edit: dug them out. It’s not pretty, but a hex-drive size adapter holds a copper-plated hex/square adapter. I tried to cram it into the Indestro box (where a missing speeder should go), but it’s too long.

I'm not sure what you mean by "detent" in this context, LS, but if you turn the knob all the way to the left or the right, you can hear and feel the pawl engage for forward or reverse ratcheting. If you leave it in the middle, the knob has some play, the pawl is disengaged, and you can use it like a static wrench.

Yes, now I’ve had it apart, I see how it works. A middle detent position is unnecessary because the exact position of the set screw isn’t critical. I was concerned that putting it to work as a static driver, with one of the pawls partially engaged, would damage it. That’s not likely, since the rotation of the set screw almost immediately disengages it from a pawl, and there’s a lot of travel before it engages the other pawl.

Only things I would add are, I think that’s not an oil hole. It’s blind (on mine at least). Maybe something left from turning the handle? Also, I think (mine at least) has a thin cadmium finish, which the fine coat of rust obscured. I was using a stainless brush, which should not have scuffed into bright steel so easily. Beware the dust.
The 4Apr1916 patent is 1177764. Nineteen years and two months later on4Jun1935, the No.1 got a second patent, 2003346.

 

[bonneyman]

Yes. Or any plug. I aborted my search, because I see my hex drive Indestro and hex drive Hinsdale boxes are buried.


Yes, now I’ve had it apart, I see how it works. A middle detent position is unnecessary because the exact position of the set screw isn’t critical. I was concerned that putting it to work as a static driver, with one of the pawls partially engaged, would damage it. That’s not likely, since the rotation of the set screw almost immediately disengages it from a pawl, and there’s a lot of travel before it engages the other pawl.

Only things I would add are, I think that’s not an oil hole. It’s blind (on mine at least). Maybe something left from turning the handle? Also, I think (mine at least) has a thin cadmium finish, which the fine coat of rust obscured. I was using a stainless brush, which should not have scuffed into bright steel so easily. Beware the dust.

Shoot, those are some thick pawls! Especially at the pivot points.

 

[LesserSon]

Yeah, “brook no dissent” construction. Among female ratchets (even among ratchet females?), these are thick.

 

[toolaholic]

My Gedore 1993s a 36 tooth U10 and a 72 tooth U3

 

[Straightgrain]

The first photo are 1/4" drive & the second are 3/8 drive.

 

[davethorik]

I like that Mac 1/4 drive. Nice display (s)

 

[r_olson_06]

I like that Mac 1/4 drive. Nice display (s)

I second that. Them ratchets are hard to find.

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,

 

[Straightgrain]

Thanks for the kind words.

 

[tym]

Looking at the "ratchet" handle gave us the idea that some parts of it can be detachable:



After some good soaking in WD-40, screws and threads gave in, revealing a spring inside the handle:

And a set of details inside the rat head:


So, as it appears now, the "handle" is a kind of preset torque wrench.

It resembles the pipe threading tool described here: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416760.

 

[Secretgoldphish]

Having a blast checking out everyone's ratchet collections, super cool thread! Here is my Ratchet drawer, I really like restoring the old Snap On F70N's and M's.

 

[davethorik]

Posted in the Wright thread, figured I'd share here too...
3429 offset 3/8 ratchet, tootsie roll rubber grip, 1964 date code.

This model is discontinued however Wright has re-used the part number on new 3/8 Tootsie Roll grip bent flex head ratchets.