Above 1200 Sq/FT The Salvage Garage

[xtremek]

Sounds like you have a plan of action.

 

[Strouty]

Made a bit of progress today, tomorrow I need to weigh OMO and find out what the front end weighs. If it is too heavy, I can’t even use the truck with the knuckle boom and that would be bad. Good thing is I may have found a backup plan, but I will need to act fast to make it work.

 

[mybigwarwagon]

Sounds like you have a plan of action.

I always have a plan. It may be bad,it may be stupid, it may be dangerous: but I always have a plan

 

[Richard Cranium]

if you fail to plan, then you plan to fail

 

[jakemac]

I planned a fail once ........................it didn’t work


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[mybigwarwagon]

All of my plans work....










Sometimes.

 

[xtremek]

Looks like you made a good size dent in things. Did I see the roll back that keeps quitting in the background? I thought it belonged to a friend. What's it doing there?

 

[Strouty]

The rollback is Dad’s and it is finally fixed, intermittent issue with the fuel pump as well as a bad injector and some wiring issues. Needed some love.

 

[harley jim]

All of my plans work....










Sometimes.

Here, hold my beer!

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[cbacres]

We all have plans, they just change a little sometimes.

I wonder if we lose brain cells (like crumbled up drawings on paper)thinking about plans in our head and the changes?

 

[pi_guy]

I always have a plan. It may be bad,it may be stupid, it may be dangerous: but I always have a plan

Sounds like many racing programs.

In racing you make a plan and prepare options when it does not go as planned.
The extra time spent on the the options often determines the final outcome.

 

[Strouty]

So far my plans have not been working out, it is very nice outside and I sort of lost motivation. I want to setup the scales to weigh OMO, but I need to do a bunch of things before I can do that, I forgot I hurried the scales in the mud room at the house, have a bunch of things that need to be moved. Then I still have to put wheels back on the dump trailer, I haven't decided if I am going to use the new ones or if I am going to just sell it as is. Trailer is worth, maybe $1200, but if I put the new tires and wheels on, that cuts into my profit by $440 (I also found out I made a huge mistake and overpaid by a lot on those), if I sell it with the best of the old wheels and tires, plus a spare, I think I can still get close to $1000, then I can sell the tires and wheels for as much as I can. I think that makes more sense, less work too.

 

[mybigwarwagon]

I am all for taking the less work route.

 

[Strouty]

My world just got turned upside down and it wasn’t because of my Dad.

Just weighed OMO (big fire truck) and it is just under 20k pounds on the front axle! Bad, very bad.

If you add any weight to the frame rails behind the cab it adds 2/3rds of the total weight to the front axle, so even if I remove a bunch of things, it will still be too heavy.

Next step is to weigh my Dad’s Freightliner and see what it weighs on the front. Once I have all the numbers, I can make a better, more informed decision. Right now I am just a bit depressed that I wasted all this mental energy and effort on thinking that OMO was going to be the truck I was using. Should have weighed it last year for sure.

 

[jakemac]

Move more weight behind the rear axle. That should take some weight off the front. Right now, all the weight is forward, including past the front axle.

It’s a similar issue you had with the burb on the trailer and tongue weight. If you back the burb onto the trailer, the engine weight will be on, or behind, the trailer axels.

It’s all about load distribution.

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[jack stand]

Aren't there a bunch of big pumps, valves and plumbing up front still?
What weight were you hoping for.

 

[xtremek]

That royally *****. Is your dad's Freightliner a realistic option, given your history?

 

[rvieceli]

Strouty doesn't that firetruck still have that giant pump unit and then the huge extended front bumper on it? Or did you remove those things?

Ron

 

[Orionrising]

ouch thats way high. put the crane at the rear and add a drop axle?

 

[Strouty]

The pump and front bumper are still on it. I was told by Waterous that the pump only weighs 2400 pounds, but it is hard for me to believe that.

I completely understand about the effect that putting weight on the truck has. Not an option to put the boom on the back, that makes it so I can’t haul a fifth wheel trailer. Directly behind the cab the weight added to the front axle is two thirds of the full weight of what is added. Where the current knuckle boom is sitting is closer to one fifth on the front axle.

I went and looked at a Peterbilt today that had a 22k front axle, except there was something weird going on, it had a single frame and there is no way the truck could be rated for 22k without being a double frame.

I did weigh Dad’s Freightliner just to see what it was, it had almost equal weight on the front and rear and weighed just under 30k total. His front axle is rated for 20k and it looks like originally it had an additional tag axle, so the truck was rated for 79k total.

Going to have to take a couple breaths and start ripping things apart, one of my main issues is that no matter what I take off, I had intended to add things to the cab and frame, so I suspect that any found weight savings would just be replaced with another item.

 

[Orionrising]

pump or pump module? if thats just the pump weight, the module may add a good bit to that. Piping, front bumper and deck gun as well.

 

[Strouty]

No deck gun, but there is some serious plumbing to the front. I suppose I won’t find out until I remove things.

 

[xtremek]

Is it really worth it to gut it on the off chance you can find the weight, or should you just cut your losses and move on?

 

[Strouty]

If I can’t get the truck on enough of a diet, the engine and trans will be used in another truck. If that happens, I will probably put the four cylinder Detroit 50 series engine into the truck with the other automatic transmission. Then just use the truck with a fifth wheel setup. I feel that not trying to cut down the weight and just giving up would be a mistake, especially since I have no idea him much the pump ways. There are a few things that I can also adjust to try and help offset some weight, but in the end it is all about the pump and the plumbing.

 

[Orionrising]

seems like the pump should be fairly easy to remove, assuming its bolted on. PTO, one water line to the front, and maybe some cables? (just guessing, I have only pulled apart brush truck pump setups, not type 1 or II engines)

 

[Strouty]

It is a transfer case type, it is part of the driveline, not so easy.

 

[Squashfest81]

The uncertainty is not good for you. Determine if this truck is a go or no go?
Dads freightliner has 15k on the front axle. Is that the number you are shooting for on OMO?
Looking through the interwebs, losing 5k from the front while adding a front drive axle and the knuckle may be a problem.

 

[Orionrising]

ahh never messed with one of those. dunno then.

 

[Strouty]

At least OMO isn’t a candidate for a front drive axle, way too many issues. So I don’t need to worry about that.

 

[Monza Harry]

Strouty, is a tag, driven or not an option, placed right you could rid that front of nearly 5 tons. Just thinking Harry

 

[Strouty]

Due to the overhang and the placement of the knuckle boom, a tag won’t help much at all.

 

[Squashfest81]

At least OMO isn’t a candidate for a front drive axle, way too many issues. So I don’t need to worry about that.

Strout, all trucks are candidates for front drive axles! Especially OMO.

 

[Strouty]

Normally I would agree, but OMO has the fold down staircases and trying to make that work when the truck is a foot taller would be a real PITA.

 

[racer-john]

"when OMO is a foot taller...". Are you trying to build a stairway to the stars?

 

[Strouty]

I meant if we added a front drive axle, it would be a foot taller.

 

[1Garageman]

It's been a little while since you have bought anything.............

 

[Strouty]

I haven't bought anything to speak of since the last Burb. I have ordered some hardware and parts for the 18 speed transmission, I feel that is a project that is moving forward, slowly, but forward.

My Cousin and I are cleaning up the Hill and the Quonset hut as best we can, a full trailer load of trash just left, going to need to setup a trailer for scrap as well. I think we are also going to have a small load of tires to go to the dump too. Friday will be the day we take all kinds of paint to the dump. We also plan on assembling a couple sections of the pallet rack in the quonset hut, that will make a huge difference for sure.

I got the quote for the Lista storage wall, at first I was pleasantly surprised, but then I realized the quantities were way off on a couple things, basically to do everything I want will be closer to $12k. I am working over my design to see what I can omit or rework. The most expensive thing is the slide out trays for the 56" wide bays, they are almost $800 each.

I want to get at least the bigger uprights and basic parts ordered now, I can always add more drawers and trays later.

 

[Strouty]

To top it all off, the weather guessers are saying (European model) we have a chance for a noreaster next week that could drop two feet of snow on us. Looks like it could be better along the coast, but I vote for rain.

I hate snow, it is close to 50 degrees now and I like that.

 

[Strouty]

A small load of scrap is headed out now, we have some bulky stuff for the next run. Trying to understand why my Dad wanted to save some of this ****.

 

[Strouty]

The first load was decent, they liked the metal and scrap is up, $140 a ton. Wish it had been like that when the tower got scrapped.