Above 1200 Sq/FT The Salvage Garage

[Strouty]

I will draw something up and take some pictures when I get back. I am out doing errands, just found out something that may throw a wrench in all my plumbing events. Apparently upinor is having serious supply issues, there are essentially no 90s in 1/2” or 3/4” and they are saying the end of the year for stock, not even sure how this could be. It could destroy an entire market. I haven’t seen if they stick the 5/8” tube, but they had plenty of 5/8” 90s.

 

[Two Door]

There are a couple of other Pex A/F1960 suppliers. Apollo, which seems to be Chinese, Legend Valve, some supply-house brands (Blue Fin, Everflow - almost certainly from China) and Zurn. Of those, my choice would be Legend Valve.

 

[Strouty]

I will have to look into it, it appears that I can use shark bite on it as well, then I could fix it once supply comes back.

Tore into a couple doors, took the front door of the house to put the one piece tub shower inside.

 

[Strouty]

I didn’t get a chance to draw things up, but I took a couple pictures of what I am working with. I might be able to rework what is already there without too much trouble. The shims they supply are a couple inches long and fit around the two holes in a sort of H pattern. I ordered some weld in nuts that have a large washer formed into them. At this point my concern is how many threads need to be engaged to get the full capacity of the adjustable feet. The weld in nuts are thinner than I wanted, I can buy grade 2 coupling nuts that are much larger and would be easy to weld in too. I just don’t know enough about the strength of the threads based on engagement.

 

[Orionrising]

do you have room to use one of the snap on curve guides? or get a t and dead end one side.

 

[harley jim]

What is the load limit of the composit foot. I would think if you were to add a square plate to the bottom of the existing plate that would take the load and not implode on you it wouldn't need to be welded just squared up. And a coupling nut on the bottom side would definitely hold the load at the threaded rod. Put the weld nut inside and use the coupling nut like a jamb nut for full contact on the rod.

 

[Strouty]

We can use some of the plastic arc thingys, but I am trying to keep it looking neat. I haven’t gotten a cancellation notice yet, we will see what happens on Monday.

Jim, the composite feet are rated for 5000 pounds each. Here are some more pictures of the bottom of the uprights.

 

[jakemac]

Looks like you can get two feet on each end to take more of the weight. That would be 4 contacts to the ground on each frame.

 

[Strouty]

Those feet were $16 each, not buying another 26 of them.

 

[jakemac]

You wouldn’t need to buy the same adjustable feet. Something cheaper with a lower rating would work since the higher rated feet on the outside would still be the primary load bearers. The extra feet would just be there to help distribute a portion of the load.

 

[Krang]

Is there any chance more than 20,000lbs will be loaded on each shelving set? That seems like a lot…

 

[Strouty]

I am not really concerned about the feet being overloaded, the jam nut ends up taking all the weight, I was just interested in understanding how many threads are needed to gain full load capacity. I am however concerned that I could point load the wrong area on the uprights and have a problem from that. Each shelf is rated for 400 pounds, so one upright could see quite a bit of weight depending on the drawer layout and the stuff in the drawer. I have drawers that could be every 3”, over 10’ that is a theoretical 40 drawers, 400 pounds each drawer is 16k pounds, plus the weight of the drawers and uprights, that is essentially where I got my 20k from, I would never be able to load it up that way, but I had to start somewhere. In reality if I had two bays that were loaded up like that, the 40k pounds would be divided over three uprights and I would be overloaded anyways, the middle one would take the brunt of it. I want to do it right and not have to do it again, I think if I can get a thicker “washer” that covers the entire base of the actual vertical leg of the upright then the foot will transfer the weight properly, I am upgrading the jam nuts to a larger flanged nut too.

 

[rvieceli]

Strouty how about something like this.

Cut a piece of flat bar the same size as that plate welded to the upright bottom, say 1/2 or 3/4. Drill two holes in it to match up with the two holes in the upright. Tap the front hole for your foot. the back hole would be a through hole. Put a short bolt in the back to keep the plate from spinning on you. The threaded front hole would get the foot.

The weight would then be distributed along the bottom rail.

You could also tap the back hole and use a longer bolt back there as a secondary foot.

Ron

 

[Strouty]

I am not sure I need to go that far, we had talked about making a piece that went all the way from front to back, but I think if the thicker plate is supporting the vertical part and the foot is directly under that, it should be fine. I don’t even think I need it to be much more than 1/4” thick. I will mess with it next week, I already have a full schedule today.

 

[walrus]

They make square washers 1/4 thick for use on Strut, 1 5/8" square, should be available at any electrical supply, HD or Lowes probably. Electrical supply will have different size holes for bolt. Try Gilman, doing an invoice right now, $1.50 ea.

Superstrut 1/2 in. Square Strut Washer Silver Galvanized (5-Pack) ZAB2411/2EG-10 - The Home Depot

The 1/2 in. Electro-Galvanized Square Washer is designed to hang threaded rod from metal framing channels. It features a square shape and works with 1/2 in. bolts. This item is 12-Gauge metal and comes

www.homedepot.com

 

[harley jim]

Strouty The washer and upgraded flange nut should do fine for the foot, I cant find anything on pull strength for a 1/2" nut to compare to just shear strength and that dosnt apply here.
That is how we did the leg adjusters for the welding tables at the shop and I know we have loaded them close to that load.

 

[Strouty]

Walrus, the strut on the uprights is a weird size, I think it is over 2”, I have a plan, not as easy as getting washers, but I really want to make sure that I can fully support the uprights.

This morning was a nightmare, got into an argument about the Camp with my stepmother, ended up hanging up on her. Of course it couldn’t be as simple as getting fired, I am up at the Camp right now cleaning the excess stain of the glass panes of the doors, apparently whoever stained it had never heard of masking tape. I am planning on heading home in the not to distant future, I don’t want to do anything but sleep, the last few days have had me on overload, between that and the heat, well this week has just been awful.

 

[racer-john]

Strouty, Ron beat me to it, but I think 1/2" plate would be sufficient for the loads anticipated.

 

[Strouty]

I have been thinking about the lista uprights, if you look at how the shims are made, there is minimal contact to the floor directly over the upright, also they do not extend the shim all the way to the outer edge, so they must have things engineered so that second plate welded onto the bottom of the upright can take all the weight. I think using an oversize washer and a larger nut as a jam nut is the way to go. I may try and add some more weld to the nuts that we welded in, but I am not convinced it will matter that much.

This weekend was a blur, heck last week was a blur, I can hardly remember what I actually got done.

 

[cbacres]

I have been thinking about the lista uprights, if you look at how the shims are made, there is minimal contact to the floor directly over the upright, also they do not extend the shim all the way to the outer edge, so they must have things engineered so that second plate welded onto the bottom of the upright can take all the weight. I think using an oversize washer and a larger nut as a jam nut is the way to go. I may try and add some more weld to the nuts that we welded in, but I am not convinced it will matter that much.

This weekend was a blur, heck last week was a blur, I can hardly remember what I actually got done.

I think the washer and oversized nut is the way to go.

 

[xtremek]

Sorry to hear about the run in with the step mom. I hope this week is going a little better

 

[Strouty]

My GJ experience is slowly getting more and more annoying, trying to post is annoying due to the fact that unless someone else posts something new, it takes me to the first page of my thread. In order to counteract this, you have to changed to landscape (rotate phone) and then click on the last page number, then scroll to the bottom of the page. This probably sounds petty to most, but it is really frustrating, I find myself posting less and less, even in other people’s threads. The photo uploading is fine if you don’t want to add captions, if you do, it turns into a time consuming mess. I don’t even know how to describe a solution without mentioning the other option that is no longer an option. Seems like there is a consensus that you don’t mention that old option anymore due to privacy issues. I don’t want to go back to posting on my computer, but it seems like that may be the easier option, until we have a fix for some of these issues, I am probably going to be posting less.

 

[Bighead38]

I click where I circled and it always brings me to the end.

 

[cbacres]

Learned something new, thanks.

 

[Horror Business]

I use this site on my iPhone through safari, which is also how I used the old version of this site.

When I click the title of the thread, it brings me to the newest post. The new site is faster for me. I don’t post photos often, so I can’t comment on that.

 

[Squashfest81]

Not loving the new style. If you click close to the red box that says “new” at the end of the thread title it goes to the last stuff.

 

[Strouty]

I have been complaining about this for weeks, no one has come up with that solution, thanks bighead, that solves the most frustrating issue, hopefully I can figure out the photos.

 

[Bighead38]

Glad I could help, the Salvage Soap Opera helps pass the time at work when I’m waiting around for a machine or material.

 

[xtremek]

In order to post captions under photos
Click on the picture icon at the top,

The cursor will end up at the lower right corner of the pic. Hit enter, then the cursor will be under the lower left edge of the pic, and you're ready to type. Hit enter after you finish typing the sentence so the cursor ends up under the sentence, and the pic lines up on the left margin. Do the icon thing again.
Is the caption style you were having issues with?

 

[Strouty]

I was trying to avoid one image at a time, it seems very slow and clunky compared to tapatalk.

 

[xtremek]

I get you. Yeah, it might be slower, but for those of us who didn't load from our phones, this is actually a ton faster. Your loss, my gain.

 

[Strouty]

That is why I feel almost stupid complaining about it. To anyone that didn’t use tapatalk, well, the new format is way better than the old and I agree with that. I just have to learn to deal with the images.

I have also been reviewing I fo on drones and it appears that I will need to get a commercial license and actually register flight plans with the FAA. It is a confusing mess for sure but lots of people that have posted videos are getting letters from the FAA telling them they will have to stop flying their drones and get the license or be fined up to $100k, apparently the FAA has people actively searching YouTube and websites for drone videos. Just one more thing I need to deal with.

May least I have done enough research to know that I can fly higher than 400’, the rule allows for flying 400’ above any structure, as long as you are within a 400’ radius of that structure. This is great to know, because a lot of the towers I deal with are over 400’ tall. Biggest issue is that I am semi near a major airport and there are flight paths that create airspace limits even with those rules. This is why you would have to file a flight plan, to make sure you are okay to fly in that area. Also once you get the commercial license, you can fly in the dark, you can fly above people, and you can fly in rougher weather. All in all it will be worth doing as the rules are probably just going to get tougher and tougher, especially when I intend to get better drones eventually.

 

[legenddc]

If you start a post from your phone you can add whatever pictures you want and then go to your computer to finish it. Just tested it and after hitting refresh the image and text showed up on the computer.

 

[Strouty]

I have done that in the past, it is actually much easier to deal with photos on the computer now than before, I just don't always feel like posting after the fact. It is usually a way for me to break things up, especially when I am doing a lot of things and I feel overwhelmed.

I will just have to keep practicing, what Bighead posted for a tip will be way better than before, so at least I have a shortcut to get me to where I need to be fast.

 

[walrus]

Strouty I agree on tapatalk, I had a bunch of forums in one folder with Tapatalk, I could click on any of them and be there and posting quickly. Pics were easy. I never realized Tapatalk was selling everything about me they could which *****. But I understand why ryan got rid of VBulletin, its an out dated porous POS. Other Forums I'm on are getting rid of it also and and for the same reasons.

As far as where the forum takes you sometimes I have the same issue, I end up at DLCs first post and I haven't figured out a way to see latest post first yet.

 

[Strouty]

I too understand why tapatalk is gone, it doesn’t make me any happier to know that.

If you look up a few posts Bighead showed the way to be sure you get to the end of the thread.

 

[walrus]

I too understand why tapatalk is gone, it doesn’t make me any happier to know that.

If you look up a few posts Bighead showed the way to be sure you get to the end of the thread.

If you click on the thread when you get an alert you go that post so that works also.

 

[Strouty]

Update on the Lista wall, looking to buy some 3/8" by 2 1/2" flat bar, then I have some threaded inserts that are designed to be welded into the flat bar. this would be in addition to the nuts already welded into the bases, it should distribute the load much better. Hopefully my local place has some stock, then I can get things moving forward and maybe get the wall up before the end of the month. I still have to make the modifications to six of the full depth uprights, I have been dragging my feet with that too.

I have found the proper 90s for the Uponor PEX, the 1/2" ones arrived today, I need a few more pieces and parts, then We should be able to get things rolling on the plumbing. My sink arrived yesterday, but the new faucet setup somehow got shipped to California and I will have to wait a bit on that, Zoro was fixing things, but it is a drop ship item direct from the manufacturer, so I will have to wait a couple days before things will ship again.

I think I have handled all the emergencies for this week, hopefully I still have to do a few more things at the Camp before it gets rented, but most everything is set at this point.

 

[mybigwarwagon]

That is why I feel almost stupid complaining about it. To anyone that didn’t use tapatalk, well, the new format is way better than the old and I agree with that. I just have to learn to deal with the images.

I have also been reviewing I fo on drones and it appears that I will need to get a commercial license and actually register flight plans with the FAA. It is a confusing mess for sure but lots of people that have posted videos are getting letters from the FAA telling them they will have to stop flying their drones and get the license or be fined up to $100k, apparently the FAA has people actively searching YouTube and websites for drone videos. Just one more thing I need to deal with.

May least I have done enough research to know that I can fly higher than 400’, the rule allows for flying 400’ above any structure, as long as you are within a 400’ radius of that structure. This is great to know, because a lot of the towers I deal with are over 400’ tall. Biggest issue is that I am semi near a major airport and there are flight paths that create airspace limits even with those rules. This is why you would have to file a flight plan, to make sure you are okay to fly in that area. Also once you get the commercial license, you can fly in the dark, you can fly above people, and you can fly in rougher weather. All in all it will be worth doing as the rules are probably just going to get tougher and tougher, especially when I intend to get better drones eventually.

A lot of people have been fined bigtime for commercial use of a drone on youtube.

And on a slightly related note, a lot of aspiring rappers have been arrested for possession of a stolen weapon when the police have run the serial numbers on the guns they are waving around in their super hi res videos.

 

[jakemac]

Have the company pay for the license. It’s a business expense, since the drone is used as an “inspection tool”.