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Glad I am not the only one that thinks that, the seller certainly didn't understand the difference. What got me is that they were either including the core charge or somehow avoiding it. I am investigating a rebuilt pump from a Stanadyne dealer.
 
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Rebuilt pump direct from Stanadyne is not terrible, I asked some question to the one dealer, they said they do not and can't do a heat test on the pump, but it should be fine. I hate fine, it is about 5 hours to replace the pump and then some time for setting the timing, would like to spend a little extra money and test it before wasting another 10 hours on injection pump installation.
 
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My Dad loves the Northstar engines, I couldn't believe anyone would think it was a good idea to mount a starter under an intake manifold????

As for the injection pump, it could be a little less time, last time it was essentially over two days, but we had all kinds of other things that had to be dealt with as we went, this time it will just be the pump and timing it. I still need to get the starter changed and then do the ice test, that will answer all questions about the injection pump. I really hope it is the pump, then I can at least move on and not have to start chasing a wiring or computer issue.
 
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Someone posted about canned air for cooling. Turn the can upside down and give it a shot, no water to complicate the process?
 
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Strouty said:
As for me, I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up.
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Producer for new seasons of Junkyard Wars? Hopefully with cameo roles?

Not trying to be as critical as that might sound, but to suggest you may be doing your occupation because you were born into it, not because it fills your needs. /armchair psychologist off...
 
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Someone posted about canned air for cooling. Turn the can upside down and give it a shot, no water to complicate the process?
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I was considering that as one option, either way I have to go to a store to buy them, guess it will come down to what happens first. I am working on the blue burb now, things definitely got hot, I haven't been into the battery terminals much as they were tight topside. Looks like previous owner used whatever he had to space the cables apart so the rubber boots would clear the terminals, Once it was apart, I can see where things have distorted and melted over the years. I am going to repair that end too. As for the starter, I can move all the big connections, so I am going to look at that first, it kind of feels like the cable is stiff, making me think there is some corrosion on the inside of the jacket as well. I don't think I am going to replace the starter yet, just seeing loose connections makes me feel like it will be fine once everything is tight.
 
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I was considering that as one option, either way I have to go to a store to buy them, guess it will come down to what happens first. I am working on the blue burb now, things definitely got hot, I haven't been into the battery terminals much as they were tight topside. Looks like previous owner used whatever he had to space the cables apart so the rubber boots would clear the terminals, Once it was apart, I can see where things have distorted and melted over the years. I am going to repair that end too. As for the starter, I can move all the big connections, so I am going to look at that first, it kind of feels like the cable is stiff, making me think there is some corrosion on the inside of the jacket as well. I don't think I am going to replace the starter yet, just seeing loose connections makes me feel like it will be fine once everything is tight.
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I like military terminals and nice thick tinned copper wire with good lugs crimped on after applying a bit of Novalox. However, if you can get it going by cleaning corrosion and tightening everything up, that works, too.
 
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Not a bot. I think most of the posts on this thread are enabler's to keep him going. In a previous thread, he would buy things to flip or keep, and then be broke for a while, complain about it and not know how to fix. Now he seems to be some kind of expert on everything. He's like a kid given a pocket full of money and let loose in a toy shop, unsupervised. Then everyone here fawn's over it (in a weird way, me too), encourages him. Wash, rinse, repeat. His dad and especially his stepmom have him fiqured out as somebody with no direction, yet he blames a lot of it on them or ex-employee.
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That's the first thing a bot says, then goes off to continue arguing it's point.
 
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Back to the burb, I got an answer to the question about testing the injection pump, basically they would need to run a longer test and wrap the injection pump in a thermal blanket while increasing the thermostat to heat the fuel up. That makes me feel better that they can be tested for heat failure. I am not sure I would go back to the same "reputable" rebuilder without having a discussion with them to help bring my trust back. I have found a GM NOS crank sensor, everyone that knows anything about these engines says to only use the GM version. I think that NTK was the maker for the GM part, but can't prove it yet. I would be curious if they would tell me if they were the OEM for the part or not? I will have to send an email out and wait. I have confirmed stock on the NOS injection pump, I now just need to figure out what pump number is better to have, this particular pump is for a 2000 model, but every pump (except the very first one in 1994) has just been superseded by a newer version, so it should fit regardless of year and ECU/ECM. It also looks like they didn't do any sort of upgrade beyond 2002 and the one that I am looking at is a very common one, but technically second to last generation. Interestingly, the Hummers got a Caterpillar control setup at one point with a specially upgraded pump, but they never really went into all out production, this was for the P400 engines that were supposed to be the direct replacement answer to the duramax engine. I would love to get my hands on one of those engines.
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I think you can buy brand new p400s, bring your wallet.
 
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I was considering that as one option, either way I have to go to a store to buy them, guess it will come down to what happens first. I am working on the blue burb now, things definitely got hot, I haven't been into the battery terminals much as they were tight topside. Looks like previous owner used whatever he had to space the cables apart so the rubber boots would clear the terminals, Once it was apart, I can see where things have distorted and melted over the years. I am going to repair that end too. As for the starter, I can move all the big connections, so I am going to look at that first, it kind of feels like the cable is stiff, making me think there is some corrosion on the inside of the jacket as well. I don't think I am going to replace the starter yet, just seeing loose connections makes me feel like it will be fine once everything is tight.
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Is there a bracket on the starter?
 
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I think the thing that baffles most people is that all my equipment isn't designated to make me money, it may in the future, but right now I make my money other ways and it is more of a hobby/prep for future work. As for me, I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up.
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100% describes me also
“I don't have hobbies; hobbies cost money. Interests are quite free.”. ― George Carlin.
 
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Walrus, it had a bracket and it was bolted to the block and the starter. Half the time I see them with a bracket but still floating.

I am slightly defeated, I got the starter out, had to remove it to get the wires off, cleaned up all the connections, then tightened up everything. I decided to replaced the main power cable with a nice new (not refurbished) 2/0 cable. I got everything hooked back up, then realized that the solenoid stud was touching the main battery terminal, the larger wire had to be clocked differently to fit and it was a problem. Luckily I didn't energize it, the engine would have been cranking away. I had more trouble getting it back out the second time since my arms were about done from the first wrestling match. I got it out, shortened the solenoid stud a bit, now I am going to make up a weatherpack plug to allow for easy disconnecting of the small solenoid wire in the future. The larger battery cable has plenty of play, so it should be removable without much trouble. The real problem is the dang transmission cooler lines, I tweaked them a couple times, but I really want to just replace them with some AN hose and be done with it. I am going to see how I feel about that tomorrow, I think it may be better to do it when I have to do the oil cooler lines, that is essentially the same type of thing, so it would be easier once in that "mode". I am about to head home, I got a later start, then got sidetracked three times, but hey, I don't have to worry about the burb starting now.......
 
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Nothing is simple right now, I can't find anything, I moved a lot of stuff around when we setup the big Lista cabinet, so now I have to find things by searching a bit, the drawers are labeled, I just can't remember what cabinet the stuff is in. I need to figure out what the heck I am doing and get these cabinets installed.
 
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I am not sure, it seems to take a lot of time to get it hot enough, usually has to run for about 30 minutes and be up to operating temp, then heat soak for another 40 minutes after turning it off. I did drive it home, so if it isn’t raining too bad, I may attempt the test, but if it is raining and cold, I don’t want to have anything interfere with the test. At least now it shouldn’t have an issue with the starter.
 
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If you can heat it with the gun a series of heating it for a while and then trying to crank it might be useful. If it starts immediately shut it off and heat some more. Just make sure ther are no flammable or melty buts in there.
 
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it kind of feels like the cable is stiff, making me think there is some corrosion on the inside of the jacket as well.
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If the cable is stiff, it might not just be corrosion. If the cable got cooked, the copper wire could have become stiff and brittle. If so, there might be an intermittent loss of conductivity in the cable resulting in low or no voltage to crank the starter. I’ve had to chase that problem down on a few old extension cords in the past.
 
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I am not sure, it seems to take a lot of time to get it hot enough, usually has to run for about 30 minutes and be up to operating temp, then heat soak for another 40 minutes after turning it off. I did drive it home, so if it isn’t raining too bad, I may attempt the test, but if it is raining and cold, I don’t want to have anything interfere with the test. At least now it shouldn’t have an issue with the starter.
 
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Glad that bracket is there, I figured previous owner left it off. Oil cooler lines are a big issue, shouldn't wait to long on those if they are original equipment. Your ****** cooler lines look alot better than my rusty pieces of ****. Do they make that copper nickel line for brakes in 3/8" . Another thing I lost on my to rust was power steering cooler lines. Was 100 miles from home and using truck when I noticed. Had to keep refilling with ATF.
 
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Glad that bracket is there, I figured previous owner left it off. Oil cooler lines are a big issue, shouldn't wait to long on those if they are original equipment. Your ****** cooler lines look alot better than my rusty pieces of ****. Do they make that copper nickel line for brakes in 3/8" .
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If that was a question about CuNi, the answer is yes. Just bent up a fuel and evap line for my daughter's Equinox.
 
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