xtremek
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A couple of days without a Strouty update? I need my Chucky/Burb/trailer fix. I'm almost to the point where I'd settle for a cat/Expedition/hand truck.
Above 1200 Sq/FT The Salvage Garage
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Wokspaces above 1200 squarefeet.
xtremek
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Wait,....what....? You have a life? Can I get one too? Where do you find them? How much does one cost?
harley jim
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Well played!
The floor was raised up, so the outside edge was almost 2” lower and since I had already been swimming in the quicksand (twice), well, I just wasn’t totally there. The second hole was awful and awkward, I had to start at an angle because the generator was in the way, technically both generators were in the way, but outside was easier to deal with.
I had to go to the SG and wait for a delivery, I bought a second transfer tank, this one is going to be for off-road diesel, to start with it is getting some K-1 from the camp, I just want one for non dyed fuel so I can legally pump it into my trucks.
I had to go to the SG and wait for a delivery, I bought a second transfer tank, this one is going to be for off-road diesel, to start with it is getting some K-1 from the camp, I just want one for non dyed fuel so I can legally pump it into my trucks.
casmurbax
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Good to see you couldn't keep away that long.
xtremek
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I heard that fine is really stiff, good call. Did you get that tower site all set up then?
Sifan
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Last fall, helping family farm haul grain, state was checking fuel on all units pulling into the grain terminal. Semi had 3/4 of a tank when I got in it. The off road and on road tanks are side by side and there has been some "Oh ****" moments.
The pucker factor was real until got the good to go. Whew!!
The pucker factor was real until got the good to go. Whew!!
86turbodsl
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How the heck do they check your filter? Make you take it off and cut it open?
jollygreengiant
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I've heard of them cracking the bleed screw at the filter. Though I would think if they really wanted to they could take your filter off and inspect it.
86turbodsl
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what i'm getting at is, if you want to check the color of the filter paper in the filter, don't you have to destroy it?
racer-john
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Yes, of coarse.
86turbodsl
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This was in response to "they can check your filter too", so am i to believe they can pull you off the road, make you take off your fuel filter and cut it open on the spot to check for if you ever used red fuel? How would they prove you didn't use it on the farm and you have clear in the truck now? If i'm sneaky enough to have 2 tanks on board, i promise you i'm sneaky enough to have a switchover valve to run clear when i'm being checked. Hypothetically. I don't have 2 tanks, but just saying.
jollygreengiant
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The problem with that is, it takes a long time for the dye to get completely out of the system to the point where they can't detect it. So you can't just flip a hidden switch when you see the DOT trooper.
As to your "how would they prove you didn't use red diesel on the farm and have clear in it now" scenario, they don't have to prove anything. Finding dye in your system is proof enough for them, it would be up to you to prove your innocence. When it comes to government agencies it's guilty until proven innocent, remember?
ETA: I don't think they can open up your filter as that would render your truck inoperative. But I don't think they need to either to test for dye.
Jim_No_Garage
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Interesting subject that came up in a recent family discussion with my SIL.
My nephew has a lifted Dodge 4x4 with a Cummins - nuff said. He has been working for a Bus company as a mechanic for about a year so the assumption is that he is familiar with diesel vehicles. When diesel prices shot way up he said that he found a place to get "off road diesel" for his truck that was cheaper. I'm assuming "off road diesel" is dyed? I told Mom that I don't think it's legal to use that fuel in his DD truck and that the fines were big $$$.
The next surprise was when it got cold here and the fuel in his truck gelled up and he couldn't drive it. His Mom said that they were putting cold-weather-anti-gel in the fuel for the buses at work for a while but I guess it never occurred to him to put it in his own fuel.
Cheers
Jim
My nephew has a lifted Dodge 4x4 with a Cummins - nuff said. He has been working for a Bus company as a mechanic for about a year so the assumption is that he is familiar with diesel vehicles. When diesel prices shot way up he said that he found a place to get "off road diesel" for his truck that was cheaper. I'm assuming "off road diesel" is dyed? I told Mom that I don't think it's legal to use that fuel in his DD truck and that the fines were big $$$.
The next surprise was when it got cold here and the fuel in his truck gelled up and he couldn't drive it. His Mom said that they were putting cold-weather-anti-gel in the fuel for the buses at work for a while but I guess it never occurred to him to put it in his own fuel.
Cheers
Jim
Allenw
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I've heard they have a sniffer that can detect the dye in your exhaust.
reader2580
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Yes, off-road diesel is supposed to be dyed red and is not legal in an on highway vehicle.
I tried to buy some off-road diesel at a fuel station for a diesel generator once. The pump showed a lower price, but when I went inside to pay they charged me a higher price. They said I would have to file with the state for a refund of the taxes. It was only a few gallons so I wasn't much anyhow. It made no sense to buy red diesel if I still had to pay the tax. I believe I can file with the state for a tax refund on taxed diesel if used off road.
The state regularly checks diesel vehicles for dyed fuel at the big horse expos held at our state fairgrounds.
I tried to buy some off-road diesel at a fuel station for a diesel generator once. The pump showed a lower price, but when I went inside to pay they charged me a higher price. They said I would have to file with the state for a refund of the taxes. It was only a few gallons so I wasn't much anyhow. It made no sense to buy red diesel if I still had to pay the tax. I believe I can file with the state for a tax refund on taxed diesel if used off road.
The state regularly checks diesel vehicles for dyed fuel at the big horse expos held at our state fairgrounds.
I have never heard of them checking for red dyed paper filter elements, they just want to make sure at that moment, you are not using red duel. It would be very easy to explain away a filter that had red stains, my Dad has put off-road in a couple trucks by accident, even though we did change the filters after draining things, that dye would take a couple tanks to actually be out of the system.
csp
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Many diesel vehicles don't have a canister type filter that would have to be cut open to see.
They generally just dip the tank, if its Red, you are screwed. I've swapped many storage tanks around from on to off and off to on. You have to make sure you get most of the dyed product out and pump thru the nozzle until its clear.
reader2580
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I find it hard to believe that law enforcement officers would be removing fuel filters to check them. What happens when they cause an engine to lose prime?
86turbodsl
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I've heard of people being checked, but i must run in the wrong circles or something. I've owned diesels for well over 20 years and driven all over the country and never even seen anyone get checked.
Johanfpa
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Diesel checks happen over here as well, they seem to target the farmers auctions near here a few times a year and if they catch somebody other officers will go to their property to check the other road vehicles there before they release the person caught.
Never been stopped myself but I have seen them a few times in a road lay-by randomly pulling over diesel cars.
Some still take the risk because of the massive saving to be made, a former colleague of me drove his diesel cars on heating oil for over 10 years and AFAIK he has never been caught. He was aware of the fines and just said after 6 months driving on the cheaper fuel he saved more money that the fine for a first time offender which is £500/vehicle here (approx $615).
Never been stopped myself but I have seen them a few times in a road lay-by randomly pulling over diesel cars.
Some still take the risk because of the massive saving to be made, a former colleague of me drove his diesel cars on heating oil for over 10 years and AFAIK he has never been caught. He was aware of the fines and just said after 6 months driving on the cheaper fuel he saved more money that the fine for a first time offender which is £500/vehicle here (approx $615).
86turbodsl
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That's cheap. I think i remember the fine here is like $10,000 USD.
I would imagine every state has different laws, there are also generally emergency use policies based on supply disruptions and emergencies, but you would have to satisfy the enforcement people. It is easy enough to deduct it on your taxes as a business and if you are doing it with a personal vehicle, it would probably never even come up, I use heating oil for actual equipment sometimes, but most of the time I just buy straight on road diesel, then it doesn’t matter. Now that I have the two tanks, I will be keeping one for off road and one for on road fuel.
jack stand
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What a miserable excuse for winter we're having.
Just on/off snow here south of you.
Still managed to have the power out for a short one,
2 hours.
Just on/off snow here south of you.
Still managed to have the power out for a short one,
2 hours.
jack stand
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The killer will be "stocking" it!
Nice rack, 10'-12' sheets?
Nice rack, 10'-12' sheets?
It is a weird size, it will take an 8’ piece no problem, but not a 4’ on the short side. The way it is built should make it easy enough to modify, there is a lot of money in the steel and a lot of time and effort into the basic layout. I will probably make it for 8’ sheets on some shelves, then divide some in half for the 4’ pieces. The smaller side can be for cutoffs and small sheet steel. Inside the shelves are 107” and 34” wide by 38” deep. They probably used it for something specific and that is why it has weird dimensions. For the $250 it can sit until I figure things out, right now I don’t have any good way to store sheet steel, except leaning it against the wall.
FWIW at work we store sheet steel on pallets on shelves, and have a rack like that but much narrower for offcuts and remnants.
I will definitely have to mess around with the rack a bit, it might end up being half steel, half wood rack. I know it won't be the current configuration when I finally put it to use. I just know that having a place to store the sheets will make things easier once I get the plasma table up and running.