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jack stand

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We lost power sometime late last night. I took a little 200' walk in the -17* at 2:30am to start the generator. I did have the block heater on all day as there were 40mph gusts all day so the diesel still had some heat in it.
I'm a little groggy this morning having my beauty rest interrupted 😖
 

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My buddy is a welder he has an EVO saw its great on the other hand my Milwaukee ***** so dont get one 😀
@walrus, Evolution has a lower-priced 14" metal cutting chop saw. It's nowhere near as nice as Strouty's but nowhere near the price. On the plus side, it comes with a carbide toothed blade that produces almost no sparks and doesn't heat up the metal as much. It also runs at a much slower speed than the abrasive ones (1,450 rpm versus 3,400-4,000 rpm), which makes a huge difference. I paid $200 for one at Home Depot back in 2018.
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The Evolution site has the current version for $299.99 with free shipping:
 

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With all this bad weather, I hope you're either letting your elbow heal, getting paperwork done, or you're able to work on the office.
 
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If I remember correctly, it is a tendonitis issue and they do a similar procedure to carpal tunnel. If I put my arm in a sling for several weeks it would go away, but when it comes back, then I would have to do the sling all over again. After having the left arm done, I have not had any issues and that was a few years ago. I have been going the non surgical route, but I suspect all the shoveling I had to do just kept it inflamed and now I am back to where I was a month ago.

I have to get a couple new computers, one for the Salvage Garage and one for the shop at the Hill, my current ones are 12 years old and have essentially given up. I was just going to buy a couple newer ones (I deal with fruit), but they want too much money for them, I looked at decent used ones and then I stumbled on a 14 computer lot, going to try and get that, then I can sell a couple extras, plus have some parts to satisfy future issues. I am sure that it is going to cost me way more than I want to spend, luckily my Dad and my Brother both need updated computers as well, so I can get some of my money back almost instantly. I actually need four of them to have all my locations covered, we will see how bad the auction ends up being, but I suspect that in the end I will get an overall great deal. I wish I could buy my Burbs this way.....
 

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You'll probably do all right.

I used to buy 3-year old lease return computers for my employer years ago. Cheap bastards wouldn't spend a nickel - except the honcho's for themselves.

At least I was able to keep the lights on that way.
 

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With all you have to do, wouldn't it be money ahead just to plop down the coin and be done with it? I'm actively looking for ways to cut down my workload. This seems like an easy one to me, especially given the price for a fruity laptop.And why do you need a laptop for each location? Just throw it in a backpack and drag it where ever you need it?
 
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Strouty

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I really need four computers and to buy four of them, even used, would be $4000 for what I am looking for and that is for ones with damaged outer screens that I would have to replace. Some of this lot has damage as well, but with 14 of them, I can make it work. My Brother and Father will both pay a decent chunk as I am essentially their tech support as well, so I can recoup some from them, depends on how much I have to pay for this lot (if I even win). The good thing is that there are three souped up ones that I will get to keep, sucky part is they all have smaller hard drives and they are NOT upgradable, Apple makes them this way just to piss people off. :(

On a bad note, the SG must have run out of heating oil just at the end of the cold snap, so it is 34 degrees in the shop right now and I have to get some heating oil over there while I wait for a delivery, luckily the price has come down significantly in the last few days. I may even fill up at the Hill, don't want Chuck to get too cold.

Today is an early start, at least compared to what I have been doing, going to be a long day too, I can already tell.
 

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If you do look at new ones Macs I've found MicroCenter usually has the best prices but it depends on what you're looking at and if they'll ship it to you. The store by me seems to have $200 off Macbooks regularly.
 
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Strouty

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I probably won't go new regardless, it is just too much for me to justify, even base models would be a significant investment. I am looking at the iMac Pros, Apple seems to keep the Pro version of everything in the loop longer than the other models, so I should be able to get about six more years worth of updates to them (based on current progression).

My Dad calls me and tells me that his new software isn't working again, I am not sure what to make of it, he is just not a computer type, I told him Saturday I could deal with it, he wanted me to come over right now, I told him that he could bring it to me at the SG if he wanted it done "right now".

On a good note, I wasn't out of heating oil and the oil delivery to fill it up is coming today, unfortunately I wasted an hour this morning loading up the new transfer tank and getting the trailer hooked up. I will need it for the Kerosine at the Camp, that tank still needs to be removed. We are going to be getting some rain tonight, then Friday is going to be 50 or so. Go figure. I just hit the reset on the furnace and fired right up, so that isn't a bad thing, but it certainly is chilly in here, almost same temp as outside.
 
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If I remember correctly, it is a tendonitis issue and they do a similar procedure to carpal tunnel. If I put my arm in a sling for several weeks it would go away, but when it comes back, then I would have to do the sling all over again. After having the left arm done, I have not had any issues and that was a few years ago. I have been going the non surgical route, but I suspect all the shoveling I had to do just kept it inflamed and now I am back to where I was a month ago.

I have to get a couple new computers, one for the Salvage Garage and one for the shop at the Hill, my current ones are 12 years old and have essentially given up. I was just going to buy a couple newer ones (I deal with fruit), but they want too much money for them, I looked at decent used ones and then I stumbled on a 14 computer lot, going to try and get that, then I can sell a couple extras, plus have some parts to satisfy future issues. I am sure that it is going to cost me way more than I want to spend, luckily my Dad and my Brother both need updated computers as well, so I can get some of my money back almost instantly. I actually need four of them to have all my locations covered, we will see how bad the auction ends up being, but I suspect that in the end I will get an overall great deal. I wish I could buy my Burbs this way.....
Keeping in the fruit is not conducive to cheap. Sorry, just the way it is. There's always hackintosh, but you don't seem to be the computer-y type so i'll not suggest that route... sorry.
 
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I used to be a Windows guy, built all my own computers, then when Vista came along, I jumped ship, I got back weeks of my life not having to deal with conflicts or finding drivers and various errors. Now I am fairly embedded into the ecosystem and I have a decent flow so that all my stuff syncs with no effort. I am sure at this point I could do similar things with Windows, but I just haven't had the chance to deal with it, I will have to at least deal with Windows 7 as that is what the plasma table has for a computer, I also have a dos setup on my Bridgeport CNC, I need to do some upgrading of that too. ;)

I looked at Hackintosh stuff when it first came out, but I really had no desire to deal with building a computer at that point. I am more likely to build something in the future, but right now my hope is to end up with a few newer Macs for about $500 each, hopefully a lot less, all depends on where the auction ends. Dealing with Macs has been tough on three fronts, one with quickbooks/accountant, two with the office copier, three seems to be CAD type software or just my Dad, not sure yet. I have just downloaded the trial version of what he bought (Draftsight), guess I shouldn't say bought, he leased it for a year.....
 

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Windows 7 was the sweet spot, IMHO, and i'm not a windows guy, but AM a PC compatible guy. There is just mountains of sweet super cheap pc stuff out there. Usually there are ways to use it on Linux, i run debian, and if not, i spin up a win7 VM for free and get the job done. I don't think i've given more than 50 bucks for a computer in the last 10 years, other than the sweet desktop workstation i built when covid hit and i had 1 DAY to figure out a home office. That one was a custom built high end pc with 3 monitors, 2 graphics cards, a lot of ram and hard drive space. Got it all done before the pc shortages hit.

On your issue - you missed the good days with windows, they're onto 10 and 11 now, and they **** frankly, and are FULL of spyware to steal your data and sell it to other companies. Since the software is essentially free now, that's the business model for Microsh*t. And the problems are worse than they were on Vista. The IT guys at work spend all day running around fixing Win10 incompatibilities with company software.
 
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That was why I liked Mac so much, I will not deny it is expensive, but I have only bought new ones for business write offs, most was still used stuff that I upgraded back when you could still upgrade them. Now if you want to upgrade, you have to spend $6k and even then it isn't as upgradable as most people like. As I get more into the CAD software, I will have to play with Windows a lot more. I have just made a crappy drawing in Draftsight, it is a pain on a laptop without a mouse, but I did it, now I have to keep playing around with it. My feet are now frozen solid from sitting, below the desk is the coldest spot in the shop right now. I need to walk around a bit, but I want to get accustomed to the software since my Dad is determined to use it ever since he watched one youtube video that said it was easy to use.......
 

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Quite a quandry. Best wishes you find a cheap mac you like.

As a 20+ yr cad guy: Learning CAD is not easy. Some easier than others. I use the big boys, Creo, Catia, NX, that sort of software. I've heard Fusion is ok to learn.

Your dad forcing you to learn that one because he saw a youtube vid is idiotic. (my opinion, not that you asked.) I feel for you man.
 
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He isn't actually forcing me, but if I don't learn it and he keeps using it, bad things will happen. He is known to break computers (well the software end) just because he doesn't realize the printer is out of ink or that there is some other simple thing. He can turn a five minute fix into a days work, I have lived it a few too many times. He is going in for hernia surgery at the end of the month, so I know he will be on the computer way more, this means problems I have to fix and more than likely a lot of companies money spent on stupid ****. He just signed up for this Masterclass thing and he is already having trouble signing in, they have had to help him with his password five or six times and he decided to cancel it after spending $189.
 

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The new m1/m2 macs are nicer than any of the intel versions. Just buy the cheapest of whatever fits your needs and they will be fine for much longer than any of the iMac Pros you are looking at. Or don’t, and then you’ll be buying new stuff again when Apple stops supporting intel products.
 

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He isn't actually forcing me, but if I don't learn it and he keeps using it, bad things will happen. He is known to break computers (well the software end) just because he doesn't realize the printer is out of ink or that there is some other simple thing. He can turn a five minute fix into a days work, I have lived it a few too many times. He is going in for hernia surgery at the end of the month, so I know he will be on the computer way more, this means problems I have to fix and more than likely a lot of companies money spent on stupid ****. He just signed up for this Masterclass thing and he is already having trouble signing in, they have had to help him with his password five or six times and he decided to cancel it after spending $189.
"He is going in for hernia surgery at the end of the month.'' Any guaranty that he will survive it?
Please strike that last statement.
 
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I think the biggest issue with CAD software is the cost, I would buy it for a grand, but I am not paying thousands a year. Even the draftsight program is almost $300 a year and it is only 2D drawing.

The new m1/m2 macs are nicer than any of the intel versions. Just buy the cheapest of whatever fits your needs and they will be fine for much longer than any of the iMac Pros you are looking at. Or don’t, and then you’ll be buying new stuff again when Apple stops supporting intel products.
If I don't get this lot, I may just do that, everything with Apple is funny, my 2011 iMacs were great. I can fix them, but since they limited to High Sierra, it screws up a bunch of my programs. I looked into side loading things, but I have the graphics card that won't let you do it, if I had the non souped up version, I could at least get a newer OS on them.

"He is going in for hernia surgery at the end of the month.'' Any guaranty that he will survive it?
Please strike that last statement.
He will live forever, just to make my life hell. His parents were 99 and 100 when they said goodbye. I suspect his mental ability and memory will be long gone before he says goodbye. Of course he could have an accident in the tractor trailer that he insists on still driving, most likely he will just kill some other people though. :(

He has already survived sepsis, I think he can handle a hernia surgery.
 
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My feet are starting to get some feeling back, I am staying at the SG for a while, going to try and do a bit of cleaning and organizing, things are really out of hand, I may even have help tomorrow, I would like to try and get the steel cut for the tower gate project, that would be awesome to get these really long pieces cut down a bit. One problem is that there is a piece of 4" tube that I don't know what I want to do with yet, plans changed a bit, so I am not really using it like originally planned. I figure it would make some nice table legs, but I didn't want to cut it up until I know for sure. Unfortunately, I have no way to store it inside full length, it is just too long, will need to try and figure it out, otherwise it may be cut into 4' pieces. I suppose I could just put it outside as is, still a bit of a pain to deal with, but at least it would be longer if needed.

Overall the mess inside the SG is killing me, seems like I do this every winter, to be fair to myself, the space is usable, I have just been fighting snow and elbow issues, so I guess I can't be too hard on myself. The shop at the Hill, well that is just a mess and totally my fault......
 
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Strouty

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Speaking of you and your dad, how are the plans to separate yourself business wise from him coming along?
About as terrible as they could be. The real thing that will make up my mind is the deal to buy the Hill, if that can happen and my lawyer and I like the deal, then I will be tangled in for a while, but at that point it should be worth it. I know there are going to be issues and fights, I think that things can work as long as they work for both parties. I am not interested in a one way deal.
 

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Apple’s refurbished site might be helpful for you. Saves a little bit over sticker and they are practically new.
 
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We have used them before, I am back to finding cracked glass units, they seem to sell for half price of the other ones and it isn't a big repair. Of course they are usually dented too, but as long as the LCD isn't messed up I am not overly concerned.
 
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Strouty

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I just can't deal with the M1 iMacs, the white bezel makes it look like a cheesy picture frame, the black looks so much better. Also wish they had a bigger screen. I may have to go back to a mac mini or something in that style, then buy my own screen. I guess I could even do a laptop, but I prefer the all in one of the iMacs.
 

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I would be all Mac if I didn't need to run engineering software as well as a handful of other windows only programs. I run Solidworks as my primary drafting and modeling software, and Solidworks doesn't play nice on Apple's OS. ***** because I really prefer MacOS and the build quality of apple's hardware. Seems dumb to spend 5k on drafting software only to not be able to run it on workstations designed for graphics and video production. Yeah, I could run boot camp or something to get windows on the mac but its just an extra headache.

I've had pretty good luck with Lenovo workstations for my office computers, they seem to be a good compromise of cost and functionality. Solidworks can be pretty CPU/Graphics intensive so I opted for a little more horsepower than your typical laptop. I considered building a desktop PC for my office but I take my laptop home or to customer's facilities often enough that I make do with a laptop plus a nice large external monitor for drawing.

I'll probably buy an iMac for the house at some point, both my wife and I have iphones and ipads so I'd like to get back into the apple ecosystem for that stuff at least.
 
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Wandering around the internet, and the Surface Studio looks like a neat piece, makes an iMac look cheap. The 28" adjustable touchscreen is a great idea, should just sell the screen so you can use it with a custom PC. Don't need a PC yet, probably later this year.
 
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The more I look, I really wish I had just bid higher, just four of the computers were worth more than what the auction ended at. The rest would have been easy to sell.......

I hate it when a silly little thing like money gets in the way of a good time... So now instead of spending $10k, keeping the four best computers and selling off the rest for more than $10k, I am going to spend about $5 buying four computers, how in the heck does that make sense, I guess it is true, hindsight is always 20/20. :(

The only silver lining is that I found one that had almost top of the line specs with a damaged hinge for about a grand less than normal, so I am buying that, then selling my base model to either my Dad or my Brother, so my upgrade will only be about $750, should be a nice jump in performance, but I am most excited about the four TB SSD. Now all I have to do is find another couple deals and everyone will be happy, except me, I am still going to kick myself for a couple more weeks. ;)
 
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