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I had the blade set a touch too shallow, but the fit-up is surprisingly good considering I didn't do any fine tuning on the jig.

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There are two reasons for the new blade. First, this blade has a flat top grind (FTG) tooth that works well for making box joints. My current blade had an alternate top bevel (ATB) that left a non-square kerf in the work piece.

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This all ties into the gift I'm planning for Wife. She's really gotten into gardening this year and her current seed storage method is a plastic bag. I'm going to make her a seed storage box with dividers so she can keep everything organized.

That looks great for a first effort! How do you keep the "fingers" of the box joint indexed so they line up perfectly like that?

Your explanation made perfect sense and now I want an FTG blade for my table saw! I will often use my saw to notch out grooves and have always been frustrated that I could never get a truly clean notch. Now I know.. I must have an ATB blade.

The box for your wife sounds really nice! Hopefully it turns out as nice as the other gifts you've made for her.
 
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That looks great for a first effort! How do you keep the "fingers" of the box joint indexed so they line up perfectly like that?...

I made a version of this that will attach to my crosscut sled:
https://www.familyhandyman.com/project/how-to-make-a-box-joint-jig/

I did some more testing last night on a piece of scrap plywood and found that I do need to make a small adjustment to the jig. Since I can't control the slot width, I need to make my fingers a touch wider, which means adjusting my key slightly further away from the blade. I could not figure that out while I was working on it in the shop last night, but it came to me as I was laying in bed. Funny how that works...

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Looks like a nice blade, On the finger joints, you might consider making them a little wider (1/4" wide).

For sure - the long term plan is that I'll build jigs for wider widths that can be swapped in as needed. For this project I'm going to use the thin fingers because I like the look and the end product will be a small seed storage box, so its not like it'll see any real weight or abuse. The box joint is really more for decoration than anything else with this project, but I figured I'd challenge myself a little to see if I can pull it off.
 

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Looks great and it seems like you’re learning a lot quick. I’ve heard the idea before that the cut should be the width of the board. Thinking about strength and that the joint will be tested from all angles, that sounds about right to make the fingers square. Your thin cuts do look pretty though!
 
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Looks great and it seems like you’re learning a lot quick. I’ve heard the idea before that the cut should be the width of the board. Thinking about strength and that the joint will be tested from all angles, that sounds about right to make the fingers square. Your thin cuts do look pretty though!

I think that is the general consensus - fingers/slot width being the same thickness of the stock. This box is only going to be 4.5" tall. If the fingers were 1/2" to match the stock thickness, I feel the box would look a little too 'chunky' if I followed the rules. I think using the thinner fingers will give it a more refined look - a little less shipping crate, a little more jewelry box if you catch my drift.

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Nicely done!

Thanks! Now I just have to build the darn thing... what could possibly go wrong?
 

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That latest box joint is looking tidy! I agree on thinner fingers for a jewelry box. More delicate looking. I don't see why it would be any less strong, if anything you will have more long grain surface area glued together.
 
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Whatcha workin on now?

For a myriad of reasons, I've been having a tough time sneaking out to the shop the last few weeks so I'm still working on the seed saver box. I actually had some time on Sunday afternoon that I could have spent out there, but chose to do something that I haven't done in years - I took a nap. I was worried that I might be getting sick, turns out I was just tired. Weird...

Anyway, I've got the boards cut to size and have the finger joints cut as well. Fit-up is good, but I had some tear-out issues. Nothing that can't be saved and I now know why I was having those issues and can correct for it in the future.

The other thing I'm battling is that this "fine woodworking" thing is really outside of my comfort zone. I'm trying to just take my time so I can think through all the steps and make sure I have everything setup correctly before making any cuts. It's been awhile since I've felt this uncomfortable working on a project, but I know the more I do it, the easier it'll get.
 
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Okay, you shamed me into doing something...

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Not really. It just happened to work out that I could get some QST in tonight. Wife got off work at a decent time and wanted to do some baking with Stinker. Buster crashed early, so I was off the hook for parenting for the evening.

I got the grooves and the top and bottom panels cut and was able to do a dry fit. I'll be darned if everything didn't fit together as planned, which was somewhat unexpected. I'll glue it up tomorrow on my lunch break and hide it in the basement so the glue has a chance to setup in warmer temps.
 

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Thats definitely going to be a nice piece for your wife. Were the 4 little gaps in the "fingers" by design? I noticed they seem to be symmetrical in their placement. Do they have a purpose?
 

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Great looking finger joints, I may have missed it, but did you make your jig or did you buy one for someone like Rockler?

Mike
 

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For a myriad of reasons, I've been having a tough time sneaking out to the shop the last few weeks so I'm still working on the seed saver box. I actually had some time on Sunday afternoon that I could have spent out there, but chose to do something that I haven't done in years - I took a nap. I was worried that I might be getting sick, turns out I was just tired. Weird...

I've been there. I don't think I've ever taken a nap as an adult before having a kid. But on at least 3 occasions since having my daughter, when she has napped I've crashed on the couch as well. Sometimes it just catches up to you. And it feels so good when you need it.

The other thing I'm battling is that this "fine woodworking" thing is really outside of my comfort zone. I'm trying to just take my time so I can think through all the steps and make sure I have everything setup correctly before making any cuts. It's been awhile since I've felt this uncomfortable working on a project, but I know the more I do it, the easier it'll get.

I feel that -- time is precious and materials can be expensive. I think that's why I just keep making things for the garage and not the house. Less pressure :D

It seems like no project goes 100% smoothly (for me anyways :lol::lol::lol:), but if we never attempt we will never learn. Good for you for tackling something new.

I'll glue it up tomorrow on my lunch break and hide it in the basement so the glue has a chance to setup in warmer temps.

Lol, I glued one or two things this week on the kitchen table and basement. Damn winter!

P.S. The box is looking great!!
 
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That looks great

Thanks!

Thats definitely going to be a nice piece for your wife. Were the 4 little gaps in the "fingers" by design? I noticed they seem to be symmetrical in their placement. Do they have a purpose?

Those missing bits of finger are from cutting a groove into the boards for the top and bottom panels to slide into. I will cut some plugs to fill them in when I do the glue up, trying to match the grain direction and coloration as best as I can. I spent quite a bit of time thinking about different ways I could avoid doing this, but all would have required additional tooling and/or fixturing which I really didn't want to pursue for a one-off project.

Great looking finger joints, I may have missed it, but did you make your jig or did you buy one for someone like Rockler?

Mike

Thanks!

I made a fixture similar to this, clamping it to my crosscut sled fence instead of a miter gauge:
https://www.familyhandyman.com/project/how-to-make-a-box-joint-jig/

...The box is looking great!!

Thanks Nick. You hit the nail on the head with those other points you touched on in your post as well.
 
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Wow! Great work...

That means a lot coming from you - thank you. It is a modest first step down the path of learning a new set of skills.

That's purdy! Nice job. Are you going to clear coat it?

Still debating between paste wax and a wipe on poly. Leaning towards a satin poly right now. Either way, that'll have to wait until after the holidays - I want to give the BLO plenty of time to dry/cure.

The scary part!!!

I'm less stressed about it this morning than I was last night. I realized that this this project already has a healthy dose of wabi sabi - a little more won't be the end of the world.
 

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That box is going to be beautiful! Every project has imperfections, or at least all of mine do. :lol: But from my view it looks like it came out great!
 

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Merry Xmas Brad, hope you and the family are having a good holiday! Did the snow make it down to you? If not, looks like there's more on the way for us...

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Sorry for abandoning you guys for so long... I did get the seed box finished. All in all, I'm happy with how it came out. More importantly Wife loves the gift as well.

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(EDIT - I just noticed this after I posted - my shop lighting arrangement made an interesting "X" shadow pattern on the dividers in the pic above)

I used 1/8" ply for the dividers. They are free floating in the box, but are a close fit and do not wobble or move around. I did not make them permanent on purpose so I could resize or reconfigure the dividers if the envelopes I picked out end up not working for seeds, or remove them all together should Wife want to use the box for something else someday.

A pair of simple stainless steel hinges holds the lid on. I did not put any sort of clasp on the front, mostly because I couldn't find anything I liked. I'm not sure it will be needed given the box's purpose, so I'll just leave it for now. If anything, I could hide some small magnets into the edge of the lid and box to hold it shut - wouldn't ruin the look that way.

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One thing I didn't mention - I had to bring a little of my nerdiness into the project by sizing the box using the Golden Ratio. The width is 12", the depth is just shy of 7.5", and the height is a touch over 4.5". Totally not necessary, but totally worth it if for no other reason than to say I did.

I was also able to dig into the jointer over the long weekend. That ended up being more work than anticipated, so I'll save that for a separate post. Bearings are due to arrive tomorrow, might be able to get her back together and running yet this week.
 
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Circling back to the $50 Craftsman jointer… when we last left off, I’d run a piece of oak through it just to make sure it was operational. Other than being crazy loud, it did run through a face pass and left an okay finish. As fourbyford predicted, the blades were in fact very dull. Not wanting to throw another project in the mix as I was trying to get Wife’s Christmas present done, I shelved the jointer until I had more time. During the down time, I did track down a set of blades and a new belt on eBay. I actually bought two sets of blades so I can always have a sharp set ready to go should I find I need to change them in the middle of a project. I do intend to try and sharpen the old ones, but that’ll be a different project in itself.

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As is tradition in The **** Shack, nothing is ever as easy as it should be. The first thing I tried to do, and what expected to be the simplest task, was to replace the blades. I soon found that the retaining screws were very much stuck in the cutterhead body. A heavy overnight soak in PB Blaster had no effect on them. Since I wanted to check the bearings, I figured I might as well just take the whole thing apart.

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Pulling the cutterhead allowed me to use the propane torch to try and heat cycle the screws. This did work on two of the six screws. For the remaining screws, I had to bust out the hammer and cold chisel.

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If you’ve never had to do this before, the process is fairly straightforward. You start by creating a notch on the face of the fastener with the chisel by driving it straight down onto the screw. Once you’ve got a good notch made, you rotate your chisel to an angle and start tapping. You find to find the happy medium of still driving the chisel into the screw so it bites and spins at the same time. Too shallow of an angle and you’ll just chip the notch/face of the screw off, too steep and you’ll just create a bigger notch but not break the screw free. If all goes well, you’ll crack the screw free from the threads without too much drama.

When I pulled the bearings, no surprise, they both needed replacement. One of them may very well be one of the worst bearing I’ve ever come across that still spins. The word ‘spin’ is probably too generous, more like hopped from spot to spot in a dozen or so random increments per revolution. I wish this picture could convey how crunchy the bearing is.

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I was surprised to find that the bearings were single shielded. An interesting choice given the fact that the machine’s purpose is to produce wood chips and dust, but no matter, dual shielded bearings are now installed. I did consider sealed bearings but incorrectly determined my jointer spun too fast. On the front label, it states that it takes 16,000 cuts per minute, which my brain translated to 16,000 rpm. The sealed bearings McMaster offered in this size were rated for 15,000 and 16,100 rpm, so I got 26,000 rpm rated shielded bearings instead. It was only after I had everything put back together that I realized there are two knives on the cutterhead, so the rotation speed is more like 8000 rpm, which makes a heck of a lot more sense in retrospect.

While I waiting for parts to show up, I dug deeper than anticipated on cleaning up the jointer, which I found to be oddly therapeutic. I polished up the cutterhead shaft by chucking it up into the drill press and running some 220 grit paper and steel wool over it. I soaked the cutterhead body in degreaser and wire brushed it to get all the little bits of crud off of it. I sanded all the surface rust off the blade retainer plates and used Oxpho Blue to turn them black again. I sanded and painted the bottom dust chute plate because it was a rusty mess. The power cord was also replaced as it had been taped in multiple spots and the grounding pin had been snipped off. Finally, I fired up the 3D printer and made an adapter for my shop vac. Just as I was thinking I should repaint the whole thing, the McMaster order showed up and I was thankfully brought back to my senses.

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Final result, the jointer cuts very well – the finish is as smooth as glass, which makes me very happy. It is also much quieter than before (hearing projection still required). So with a little bit of elbow grease and a couple new parts, I’ve now got a nice little benchtop jointer. All in, I’ve got $115 into it. Other than the $50 purchase price, the other main spend was on two sets of blades at $46 ($23/pair). Not the deal of the century, but a fun project that fills a void in my shop and I'd be hard pressed to find anything else at that price point.

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Looks good! While I have no real interest in the jointer itself, I do enjoy machine restoration, so I was almost exclusively waiting for pics of a finished, polished machine lol. Theres a sense of conclusion when pics of a finished item are posted.
 
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Looks good! While I have no real interest in the jointer itself, I do enjoy machine restoration, so I was almost exclusively waiting for pics of a finished, polished machine lol. Theres a sense of conclusion when pics of a finished item are posted.

In my mind, the 'finished' pic as it relates to this project is the smooth board I was able to get. I do hear you though... I enjoy tool and machine restorations as well. I suppose the reason I didn't seriously consider it for my jointer is because it is very much a hobby grade machine in both construction and capability. It is too small to appeal to a serious woodworker. It is also from the transition era of Craftsman tools when they started racing to the bottom in terms of build quality (other than the base/body being cast iron, everything is thin sheet metal and plastic), so its unlikely to appeal to a tool collector and I doubt it'll live long enough to become an heirloom tool.

If it does live long enough to be sold or given to someone else, I might take the time to freshen it up cosmetically. If something breaks before then and I can't find replacement parts, it'll go to the great crucible in the sky to be recycled into something new. Truth be told, I probably spent too much time and money on it already, but as I mentioned before, I'd be hard pressed to find anything for $115 that could fill that void in my shop, so I'm happy with the outcome.
 

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In my mind, the 'finished' pic as it relates to this project is the smooth board I was able to get. I do hear you though... I enjoy tool and machine restorations as well. I suppose the reason I didn't seriously consider it for my jointer is because it is very much a hobby grade machine in both construction and capability. It is too small to appeal to a serious woodworker. It is also from the transition era of Craftsman tools when they started racing to the bottom in terms of build quality (other than the base/body being cast iron, everything is thin sheet metal and plastic), so its unlikely to appeal to a tool collector and I doubt it'll live long enough to become an heirloom tool.

If it does live long enough to be sold or given to someone else, I might take the time to freshen it up cosmetically. If something breaks before then and I can't find replacement parts, it'll go to the great crucible in the sky to be recycled into something new. Truth be told, I probably spent too much time and money on it already, but as I mentioned before, I'd be hard pressed to find anything for $115 that could fill that void in my shop, so I'm happy with the outcome.

Sometimes you have to know where to draw the line! With some tools it makes sense to limit the restoration to a functional one.

The seed box came out great!
 
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Finished another axe over the weekend. Back in October, Wife and I did an in-town vacation to celebrate our anniversary. One of the days we did some antiquing and I found this little gem for $2.

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Its the first Plumb in my collection, I believe it is a National pattern/model. It cleaned up really well in the electrolysis tank and shows very little sign of use. I used cold blue to darken it up, hung it on a 28" House Handle, and finished with BLO. I went short on the handle because I thought it'd make a nice camp axe.

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I am very happy with how it turned out. This is by far the nicest axe I've come across so far. I love the balance/length/feel - might be my new favorite.
 
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