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Since the topic came up a few posts ago, and since my Dad had a tree down that needed processing last week, I figured I might as well snap a few pics and share how we cut up and process firewood on the farm. This old maple tree has been around since we moved to the farm when I was a kid. It grew at a pretty severe angle over the driveway and in recent years, had started to die and was posing a hazard to any cars that might be parked around the driveway. Good thing he cut it down, he said that he had no more than cut about 6” into it when it cracked and fell.

Here’s the setup we’re currently using. The IBC cages are a game changer in reducing handling of the wood. Now we only have to stack the wood once into the container instead of handling it multiple times before it made it to the basement door for use. Best part is, Dad has a couple contacts at the grain elevator and his old job and gets them for free. Removing the plastic liners is a breeze.

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In order to move the totes around, Dad built a forklift attachment for his tractor. He still wants to add a hydraulic cylinder to be able to better tilt the forks, but it works pretty well right now.

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Each IBC tote holds just shy of a half cord of wood. The maple tree ended up getting us three and a half cords of wood.

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Here are the main wood piles (sheep for scale reference). There is probably close to eight or nine cords of wood piled up here. This was processed over the last year or two before Dad started using IBC totes. Most of this wood will be gone by next spring.

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A strange thought occurred to me when taking this pic – it might be the last time I see a big wood pile in this area as Dad makes the switch to IBC totes. I’ve spent a lot of hours in this small section of the property splitting and stacking wood. The end of an era I suppose.
 
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Hope you've got room for one more around the **** Shack. I read through your thread and like what you've done with the place. Can't wait to see how those windows turn out, and nice work with the tree!

Could you point me in the direction of the support you built while you re-framed the wall for the windows? I'm really considering doing a bigger window in my shop and just absorbing everything I can on it.
 

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I use IBC totes for firewood too. They are definitely a game changer. I cut them in half though, because a whole one full is too much for my tractor to handle. I just use some 2x3s to attach the top half to another pallet, and volia, two totes! I process firewood with a family friend a couple towns over from my place, and it makes it real easy to throw 2 or 3 empty totes on my trailer, go over and help him cut and split for orders for a few hours (he clears land and sells firewood as a business) and then stack my bins. When I get home, I can unload them from the trailer in about 5 minutes.
My woodstove is in my garage, so I can pull the tractor right in, and set the bins down on a pallet I mounted some heavy casters to, and roll it right next to the stove for minimal handling.
 
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The question about weight capacity actually came up over beers later that night as Dad's tractor was squatting a little when lifting up the full totes. A 275 gallon IBC tote typically is rated to hold 275 gallons of liquid at 1.9 specific gravity. A gallon of water weighs 8.3lbs, so multiplying that times 1.9 gets you to 15.8lbs per gallon, or 4345lbs of capacity. A half-cord of wet maple weighs right around 2200lbs, give or take depending on moisture content. Depending on species, oak will weigh in around 2800lbs. Both are well under the capacity of the tote itself, but probably right at the capacity of what the tractor will pick up without adding some counter weight to the front.
 

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Right now I am using clamp on forks on the front loader of an old Case 480CK. Not an Ideal setup. I am looking into the 3 point hitch forks again for my JD, it will be more maneuverable and I will be able to see what I am doing!
 
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Successful weekend! I patched in a piece of siding and got the third window installed. I also had time to caulk, prime, and paint the window frames. Don't mind the sloppy paint job - before the brush even touched a window frame, I managed to splatter white primer on the dark gray siding. Since I was now inadvertently committed to repainting the side of the garage, I figured being careful didn't really matter anymore and just got after it. Timing couldn't have been better as we got hammered with rain yesterday. I was really happy to have everything sealed up before that system rolled through.

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During nap time yesterday, I managed to get the entire north wall insulated and ready for sheeting. Hoping to get that buttoned up in the near future so I can move my bench back against the wall for (hopefully) the final time, and get things back to normal in shop.
 

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Wow, the farm is beautiful! I like how wooded it is and looks like there's a pond in the background? I agree there's something visually awesome about those massive wood piles, but the new system makes sense.

Garage windows turned out great, can't imagine how nice that will be.
 
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Looking good! I'll bet the extra sunlight is really nice.

Thanks! I haven't really had a chance to full appreciate the extra light yet (it was raining when I was insulating on Sunday) buy the expanded view is fantastic.

Wow, the farm is beautiful! I like how wooded it is and looks like there's a pond in the background?...

Good eye. My Dad had the pond put in about 10 or 15 years ago. It's fed by a natural spring on the property so its always full and the water is very clean. It for It took my parents a couple years to find that acreage, but it is truly a special place. There were lots of trees on the property when we moved in, but we've added to it over the years as well, planting at least a few new trees each year. We've got quite the mix of trees on the farm after 30+ years. Everything from apples, to ornamentals, to oaks, walnuts, elms, and maples.
 
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Wife headed north with Stinker for a spur of the moment girls weekend to celebrate her best friend's birthday, leaving Buddy and I to hold down the fort. When he was awake, we did guy stuff - looking for deals on tools at some area stores and enjoying the perfect fall weather. When he was napping, I took advantage of the time to trim out the garage windows. It may not look like much, but far too much brainpower went into this project despite the simple looking outcome.

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I really like how trimless windows look, but since I'm not installing drywall, I wanted to come up with a plan that would give me the minimal look that trimless windows offer, but while using wood. What I essentially did was to build a wood box around the window itself, leaving just a small amount of the window itself showing. The window is basically floating under/behind this wood box, as I wasn't sure how much wood or building movement would affect everything. There is probably a name for the method I used, but no matter how much research I did, I didn't come across anything that matched what I was looking to do. Once the OSB is installed, the edge of the trim boards will sit about 1/4" proud of the wall sheeting, leaving the edge of the boards as the trim (if that makes any sense).

I am not a finish carpenter by any definition and have never trimmed out a window in my life, but I'm pretty happy with how everything turned out. Sure, there are a few issues here and there, but once you get 2-3' away, they are barely noticeable, so I'll call it a win. Next step is sheeting the wall... I'm getting excited to get this project checked off the list!
 
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Thank you for the kind words guys! I realize now that the backlight from the windows in that pic doesn't really show the trim all that well. I'll post some more pics once I get the sheeting installed.

Don't forget the VB.
I'm assuming you mean plastic vapor barrier? I did a lot of research on this subject back when I first started insulating the garage. In climate zone 5a (where I live), the ICC recommends a Class I or II vapor retarder installed on the inside of the wall. The kraft paper on the insulation is considered a Class II vapor retarder, so I should be good to go. From what I've read, putting plastic over the kraft facing probably doesn't hurt anything, but isn't really needed either.
 

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Window trim turned out great! Looks like a nice view too!

How are you planning to finish the OSB? I have plywood in my garage, which is a similar situation. My inclination is to leave the seams unfinished and the screws exposed. This will allow for easy removal. I planned to paint mine white this fall, but I’m running out of painting weather.

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Oil base primer followed by low gloss off-white paint. I'm not going to fill seams or screw heads either. I'm sure it'd look nicer, but most of my walls have something sitting in front of them so the extra time/cost/effort just doesn't seem worth it.
 

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I doubt you’ll ever notice the seams or screws. I nailed my plywood with trim head nails (I don’t recommend unless you have forearms of steel, seriously it was 1000's of nails), but once it's painted and you put stuff on the walls it will all fade away.
 
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Sorry I missed the paper backing.
Nothing to be sorry about. It was a valid observation and I'm glad you brought it up. That's kind of the beauty of this forum - we share our builds and help one another do better.

It sounds like the Ontario building codes are a little different than here anyway:
 
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I doubt you’ll ever notice the seams or screws. I nailed my plywood with trim head nails (I don’t recommend unless you have forearms of steel, seriously it was 1000's of nails), but once it's painted and you put stuff on the walls it will all fade away.
What is it with you Minnesotans and hammering nails? I know two other people from MN that have done big fence projects where they hammered all the nails by hand instead of using an air nailer or screws. That, and hammerschlagen... even when you're trying to have fun, you're hammering nails. You guys are so close geographically, but so different in some ways.
 
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What is it with you Minnesotans and hammering nails?

Lol! Well I think my ancestors spent a lot of time building Viking war ships, and they didn't have impact drivers back then, so, ya know...

My plan was that trim head nails would be more invisible than construction screws. And that's probably true. But man it would have been easier to use screws.

You're not wrong about the hammerschlagen, I've definitely played a few rounds back in the day 🍻 🔨
 
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I made good progress on installing OSB this last week. I've only got one sheet left to go and I'll have the north wall buttoned up. I'll be glad with this is done because having my shop in such a chaotic state over the last month is really starting to wear on me. One thing that does help is that I've got a super cute supervisor who always seems to have a bright attitude.

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On another positive note, with the recent temperature drop, I was impressed with how well the garage held heat over the weekend. I know its only logical that insulating the north facing wall and replacing a leaky, single pane barn window would help, but just like the ceiling, I guess I underestimated how much of a difference it'd be. While the ambient temps (mid/low 30's) over the weekend were not as low as they'll be in a few months, I had to turn off the heater each day I was out there because it was getting too warm. It was nothing to get the inside temp up from the mid-40's to low-60's in the matter of an hour or two.

Finally, Stinker and I had some quality QST together yesterday. She was feeling a little couped up, so I improvised in the best way I know how - by having her build something out of scrap.

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These drops were left over from trimming out the windows. A few cuts later with the miter saw and we've got the makings of a birdhouse.

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We got everything glued and tacked together yesterday afternoon. Once the glue dries, we'll get it sanded and painted. Probably not the ideal dimensions for a birdhouse, but its what I had on hand. Main point of the project was to get Stinker out of the house for awhile and we succeeded at that. Life gets so busy sometimes, it was nice to steal a few hours to just hang out with her and enjoy each others' company.
 

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Good work on building the birdhouse with Stinker! It doesn’t matter one bit if the dimensions aren’t ideal!

OSB is looking good too.

How’s the fall weather holding out there? We’re already below freezing overnight.
 
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How’s the fall weather holding out there? We’re already below freezing overnight.

Going too soon I'm afraid. We had a bit of a cold snap over the weekend and it woke me up in terms of how much I need to do before winter comes. I'm definitely not ready for it yet.

Glad you got some QST with the little. She will cherish that bird house.

Being made of untreated pine and probably too small for most birds, it might make more sense just to hang it in her room. We'll see what she wants to do.
 

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I bet the amount of light let in the garage now is crazy with those big windows. It'll be really nice to be able to see the whole yard while the kiddos are playing too.
 

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OSB looks great! That's going to be real nice once painted. I second @XJSuperman , that panoramic view will be perfect for keeping an eye on things.

Fun stuff with the bird house. I really need to do some things like that with my girl. Well... maybe not now that winter has struck.

The insulation should help you quite a bit. I still haven't buckled down and acquired a heat source, but even so inside a protected structure it's tolerable with the right clothes. It's usually 20° warmer ambient temp than outside. No idea if it's true but one theory I have is parking the cars in the garage actually helps as the engine heat dissipates.

We had a bit of a cold snap over the weekend and it woke me up in terms of how much I need to do before winter comes. I'm definitely not ready for it yet.

I was seriously panicking this weekend. I'm starting to feel like I'm going to get stuck with a heavy snowfall before I get my winter prep duties completed. :oops:
 
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I bet the amount of light let in the garage now is crazy with those big windows. It'll be really nice to be able to see the whole yard while the kiddos are playing too.

It definitely helps make the space feel bigger. Productivity is down though... while I'm sure it'll eventually wear off, I've already caught myself a few times just staring at trees or squirrels when I'm in the middle of working. I might have to get some blinds on the windows so I can stay focused.

The insulation should help you quite a bit. I still haven't buckled down and acquired a heat source, but even so inside a protected structure it's tolerable with the right clothes. It's usually 20° warmer ambient temp than outside. No idea if it's true but one theory I have is parking the cars in the garage actually helps as the engine heat dissipates.

I hear that... the right clothes, and the right shoes make a big difference. Standing on cold concrete can really **** the heat out of you as well. Cars certainly will increase the temperature in the garage. The trick is keeping the heat in there when you want to work and need to pull the cars out.
 

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Standing still and looking out the window is a definite plus for mental health, and allows you to refocus on the project at hand, at least that's what I tell myself.
If it's a rush to simply complete tasks it may creep into being a non paying job ,and garage time should never get to that point......ever!!!!!!
Life is too short not to smell the roses or look out the window, your new windows look awesome so use them as intended.
 
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More light is always good.

Unless you're streaking through your neighborhood, then I think less light is probably better.

Standing still and looking out the window is a definite plus for mental health, and allows you to refocus on the project at hand, at least that's what I tell myself.
If it's a rush to simply complete tasks it may creep into being a non paying job ,and garage time should never get to that point......ever!!!!!!
Life is too short not to smell the roses or look out the window, your new windows look awesome so use them as intended.

I 100% agree with you Chris! Sarcasm doesn't translate well through the internet... my comment was purely meant as a joke. I love being able to see out into the world for a change.
 
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