The Truck Tool Equivalents Thread - Gathering Data

[Spudland_Dave]

even apart from the rubber grips, they don't look identical to me, similar but not identical.

if you blow up the pics, the snappys have upper ribs the williams do not, their could be more differences as it's hard to tell from the stock photos

You know, the more you look at and into things, the more you'll find out they are not exactly the same..Case in point something I've been shopping for recently... SnapOn L872 3/4" Ratchet head vs the Williams H-51AB head...both look the same, made in USA, probably on the same line, but the Snappy has a 15/16 Handle diameter and Williams 13/16...so handles dont interchange, etc.. Look the same, but not "The Same"...factor in, no long handles for the williams...Snappy has a 36" Avail... buying the williams head and SnapOn handle is not an option either.

 

[kapster]

even apart from the rubber grips, they don't look identical to me, similar but not identical.

if you blow up the pics, the snappys have upper ribs the williams do not, their could be more differences as it's hard to tell from the stock photos

You know, the more you look at and into things, the more you'll find out they are not exactly the same..Case in point something I've been shopping for recently... SnapOn L872 3/4" Ratchet head vs the Williams H-51AB head...both look the same, made in USA, probably on the same line, but the Snappy has a 15/16 Handle diameter and Williams 13/16...so handles dont interchange, etc.. Look the same, but not "The Same"...factor in, no long handles for the williams...Snappy has a 36" Avail... buying the williams head and SnapOn handle is not an option either.

Ok, ok they re similar. But it's painfully obvious that they're made along side the snap ons, unlike the rebranded nupla hammers that williams sells. And if you read the original post, it says the products should be similar, within 95%. I dont think small variations in the molding count for anything. So if you like the snap on dead blows, its a cheaper alternative.

You mentioned the ratchets, I have a williams wrench set that is said to be made along side the snap on. Aside from the massive handles, dimensionally they're similar to snap on. The fit and finish is great, some of the nicest finished wrenches I've seen. So my point is williams is a way to get snap on quality at a much lesser price.

 

[ihateminimumwage]

Matco 79PK - 11 PIECE GASKET CUTTER SET
http://www.matcotools.com/catalog/product/79PK/11-PIECE-GASKET-CUTTER-SET/

Same as the Kastar 950 (KAS950)

http://www.tooldiscounter.com/ItemDisplay.cfm?lookup=KAS950&source=froogle&kw=KAS950
http://www.mechanicstoolsupply.com/Gasket-Hole-Punch-Set-Kastar-950_p_17750.html

 

[shoggoth80]

This thread has caused my amazon wish list to explode. Lol. There is so much "extra" stuff I need for work, and I can't buy it all at once, and while the truck guys are pretty nice, aside from wanting to make sales...I refuse to buy it all from the trucks. Lol. Hundreds and hundreds of bucks in wish list stuff... lol. Great thread though. This thread is the one that made me take a look at the Bahco stuff. If I really like the ratchet I ordered, I will probably make the jump for the 1/2" drive one...among a great many other tools.

 

[Conductor562]

Matco 79PK - 11 PIECE GASKET CUTTER SET
http://www.matcotools.com/catalog/product/79PK/11-PIECE-GASKET-CUTTER-SET/

Same as the Kastar 950 (KAS950)

http://www.tooldiscounter.com/ItemDisplay.cfm?lookup=KAS950&source=froogle&kw=KAS950
http://www.mechanicstoolsupply.com/Gasket-Hole-Punch-Set-Kastar-950_p_17750.html

Exact same set as my Mac set as well. Ironically numbered GC950

 

[OxJaw]

I figured this thread could use a bump.

I added the CMAN and Lang Tools thread restorer kit to the Snap On section of the spreed sheet

The Snap On and CMAN set are re-branded Lang/Kastar

Lang Tools/Kastar set
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003QHQEPE/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Snap On set
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...roup_ID=675360&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

CMAN set
http://www.sears.com/craftsman-48-pc-sae-metric-thread-restorer-kit/p-00942275000P?prdNo=1

 

[ihateminimumwage]

Good to see a bump. Was trying to think of any recent purchases I had that would give it one earlier today.

 

[shamrock12]

Can anyone figure out who is the OEM of these quick-change retaining ring pliers?

Lang Tools (former Kastar):

Channellocks:

NAPA service tool (likely rebranded):

 

[lbgradwell]

Can anyone figure out who is the OEM of these quick-change retaining ring pliers?

Lang.

 

[Astro_Pneumatic_Tools]

Was interested in a Bearing and Race Driver Set, thought about just going with HF, but did some digging and found that Tooltopia has the same set that Snap-On & Matco sell, for $5 more than the HF set.

Astro Pneumatic - AP 7824 $36.15
http://www.tooltopia.com/astro-pneu...oglebase_18u&gclid=CJ7L4PK8s7QCFad_QgodnisA6A

Lisle 12980 $50.17 (Sears)
http://www.sears.com/lisle-bearing-rac-seal-dr-master-set/p-00915001000P

Matco BRS9 $98.05
http://www.matcotools.com/catalog/product/BRS9/9-PIECE-BEARING-RACE-AND-SEAL-DRIVER-SET/

Snap-On A1310A $90.30
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...roup_ID=675646&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

 

[Hiball]

Are you trying to say that APT makes the set that Snap on sells? The Case is definitely different than the Lisle/Matco/AP set? If its one thing ive learned over the years, The Chinese are Great at copying US made packaging etc.. Case and point is the Punch chisel set that you guys sell with the gauge.

http://www.sears.com/astro-pneumatic-punch-chis-set-16pc/p-00916033000P?sid=IDx01192011x000001&kpid=00916033000&kispla=00916033000P

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Snap-on-Punch-and-Chisel-Set-PPC710BK-/331101681407

 

[Astro_Pneumatic_Tools]

Are you trying to say that APT makes the set that Snap on sells? The Case is definitely different than the Lisle/Matco/AP set? If its one thing ive learned over the years, The Chinese are Great at copying US made packaging etc.. Case and point is the Punch chisel set that you guys sell with the gauge.

http://www.sears.com/astro-pneumatic-punch-chis-set-16pc/p-00916033000P?sid=IDx01192011x000001&kpid=00916033000&kispla=00916033000P

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Snap-on-Punch-and-Chisel-Set-PPC710BK-/331101681407

Not saying that all, just giving a thumbs up to the post of the Astro Set.

 

[ihateminimumwage]

Are you trying to say that APT makes the set that Snap on sells? The Case is definitely different than the Lisle/Matco/AP set? If its one thing ive learned over the years, The Chinese are Great at copying US made packaging etc..

The Snap-On/Blue Point set is definitely different (Made in USA) than the Matco/AP/Lisle set.
Looking back, I guess I forgot to point it out putting it up as a comparison , my bad.

 

[bahcoswed]

Amazing thread!

 

[bahcoswed]

Wurth zebra combination reversible ratchet wrench and jh williams stubby combo reversible ratchet wrench has the same internals like SO soexrm ratchet wrench with dual 80 mechanism!

 

[Hiball]

The Snap-On/Blue Point set is definitely different (Made in USA) than the Matco/AP/Lisle set.
Looking back, I guess I forgot to point it out putting it up as a comparison , my bad.

No Biggie, Id be willing to Bet the Matco set is more than likely a Lisle set in disguise. Its Possible that the Snap on set is a rebranded Lisle (different Box????) also, I doubt there are too many Domestic companies producing Bearing/Race driver Sets. I have a Old OTC set that was made here but I think the New stuff is Import.

Not saying that all, just giving a thumbs up to the post of the Astro Set.

Just wanted to Clarify.. Is the Astro set made domestically? Or does it just look similar to the Lisle set?

 

[ihateminimumwage]

No Biggie, Id be willing to Bet the Matco set is more than likely a Lisle set in disguise. Its Possible that the Snap on set is a rebranded Lisle (different Box????) also, I doubt there are too many Domestic companies producing Bearing/Race driver Sets. I have a Old OTC set that was made here but I think the New stuff is Import.

Just wanted to Clarify.. Is the Astro set made domestically? Or does it just look similar to the Lisle set?

The AP/Lisle/Matco/Neiko sets are identical in every way. It's another import tool that is shipped in a blank box with the spot for a company to add their own sticker to the front (like my overpriced made in China Blue Point pop-riveter).

I have the set and it has worked great for me when I was in the truck shop. Never had a problem installing races, seals or bearings straight and not damaging the tools or the equipment (Not something you want to take a sledgehammer to though).

For the fact you can almost buy 3 of the sets of AP vs 1 of the Matco, my wallet made the decision for me.

 

[Hiball]

The AP/Lisle/Matco/Neiko sets are identical in every way. It's another import tool that is shipped in a blank box with the spot for a company to add their own sticker to the front (like my overpriced made in China Blue Point pop-riveter).

I have the set and it has worked great for me when I was in the truck shop. Never had a problem installing races, seals or bearings straight and not damaging the tools or the equipment (Not something you want to take a sledgehammer to though).

For the fact you can almost buy 3 of the sets of AP vs 1 of the Matco, my wallet made the decision for me.

I guess im confused, Is the Lisle set No longer made in the USA? Your saying that its the Same as the Imported Neiko and AP? Im not talking about Same as in they look identical, That doesn't add any substance to this thread to help people, as I stated earlier these Chinese manufacturers are over the top in regards to copying a tool down to the packaging. As far as the Matco being 3x's the AP set.. Duh.. LOL the Truck brands are notorious for upping the price of the Rebranded tools, Hell Matco's bread and butter comes from Rebranding.

 

[ihateminimumwage]

I guess im confused, Is the Lisle set No longer made in the USA? Your saying that its the Same as the Imported Neiko and AP? Im not talking about Same as in they look identical, That doesn't add any substance to this thread to help people, as I stated earlier these Chinese manufacturers are over the top in regards to copying a tool down to the packaging. As far as the Matco being 3x's the AP set.. Duh.. LOL the Truck brands are notorious for upping the price of the Rebranded tools, Hell Matco's bread and butter comes from Rebranding.

Both the Matco and Lisle sets were (sadly) outsourced to China last time I checked. Exact same kit as AP/Neiko sells.

I'm not putting up any 'they look the same' stuff, just re-brands (except for not making that clear on the SO set above). The thread is, after all, here to save us a small fortune buying from OEMs over the tool trucks. It's saved me probably a year's worth of rent already.

 

[Hiball]

Both the Matco and Lisle sets were (sadly) outsourced to China last time I checked. Exact same kit as AP/Neiko sells.

I'm not putting up any 'they look the same' stuff, just re-brands (except for not making that clear on the SO set above). The thread is, after all, here to save us a small fortune buying from OEMs over the tool trucks. It's saved me probably a year's worth of rent already.

Absolutely.. Thanks for chiming in on the Lisle Set, I had already fired a email off to Lisle to question there Product COO. The Last Lisle set I seen at the Parts house claimed it was Made in the USA, With that said it was Old stock and sealed so I didn't get to look inside but the box looked similar to the Current one.

Edit.. Lisle confirmed via email this Am that there set is in fact from China.

 

[Astro_Pneumatic_Tools]

Astro 7824 - Bearing Race and Seal Driver-Master Set
Country of Origin: China
• Makes it easier to insert wheel bearing race and seals without damage to race and axle
housing
• Set includes nine disc sizes to fit most standard wheel bearings
• Turn discs over to drive seals
• Set includes the following parts:
No. 1 – Size 1.565”
No. 2 – Size 1.750”
No. 3 – Size 1.965”
No. 4 – Size 2.325”
No. 5 – Size 2.470”
No. 6 – Size 2.555”
No. 7 – Size 2.830”
No. 8 – Size 2.995”
No. 9 – Size 3.180”

 

[Stokes_]

This is a fantastic thread. Well done, sir.

 

[anthonyfilice]

loving this thread. I just bought a lisle triton 3 valve spark plug remover and it looks the exact same as the snap on/ matco ones.

 

[n8n]

Thank you all for this thread; I'd already figured out some of these but some I would have never known by myself never having handled the "real deal." I'll definitely be referring back here when I need something. Wish I'd seen the rethreader kit before, paid almost as much for four Nicholson thread files as the whole kit not long ago as I needed them and didn't know any better

 

[sberry]

I didn't read all the tread but it helps one understand pricing and market strategy for sure. A lot of knockoffs are not as off as we are led to think but the base chassis for more expensive models with different options, colors, labels , package. That Performax occilating tool is that way as is the Black and Decker 4 1/2 grinder. I bought some adjustables on sale at auto parts under ATD, they didn't even skimp on the finish, best wrench of its type I have ever used and they inked the brand on, have seen the same thing with ink says China.
It is taken from that plant, some sold at flea mkts some as Irwin or whatever in welding syores at over 20 a pop and some sent to fine plating, they didn't bother with 2 sets of inventory, the savings were not worth it compared to how much return you can get from marketing,,, in the multiples, building a cheaper wrench only a few cents savings.

Harbor Freight does buy the cheapest grinder made, B&D spends a dollar or 2 more and buys the bare bonz same guts and put a vinal cord on and orange jacket on. Same parts in Dewalt line just pay more for a rubber cord isn't half as good as the wallyworld version.

Meanwhile some HF last, they give great service, the customer grins when they hand a new one etc and they get them back in the store, no real loss, they specialize in tools, but Walmart doesnt want to be a return center an hour later from busted ****. HF shops too, better than ever but I never returned a single tool bought there, nothing didn't work just fine. I buy a couple brand things, have seen the sockets used hard and have bought some torx and allens there that have well exceeded expectations.

 

[sberry]

Things may have changed, no HF store here but they used to have adjustable,,, it works just as good but they buy so many probably negotiated a little price before one last finish process and stamped Pittsburg on it.

I noticed that the model under the Performax with the osc tool was the knockoff cheapest version they make, kind of like the 9$ HF grinder.

I notice some of the tools that go under names like Napa or ATD are the base with one less fine finish process, I think Calvan or Kalvan or wth is like that.

 

[d.mcfarland]

Bump because it looks like some of the Williams ratchets are 50% off.

Amazon link for 3/8 flex: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007YREJRW/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[d.mcfarland]

Snap-On ratchet t handle screwdrivers - The Williams equivalents are on Amazon for around $25.

Link: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DNT68U/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[RCStocker]

Bump because it looks like some of the Williams ratchets are 50% off.

Amazon link for 3/8 flex: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007YREJRW/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Williams is mostly made in Taiwan. Be ware. The quality of the steel can be different and the so can the fit. Most tool companies have been outsourcing for the past 80 years. Nothing new.

 

[d.mcfarland]

I was under the impression that they were USA?? I have no proof, just what I thought I had read somewhere. The ratchets are what I'm referring to.

I know on Amazon their sockets state foreign made though.

 

[ihateminimumwage]

Williams is mostly made in Taiwan. Be ware. The quality of the steel can be different and the so can the fit. Most tool companies have been outsourcing for the past 80 years. Nothing new.

I was under the impression that they were USA?? I have no proof, just what I thought I had read somewhere. The ratchets are what I'm referring to.

I know on Amazon their sockets state foreign made though.

This has been covered so many times it's not even funny.

Williams has two lines; USA which is re-branded Snap-On for sockets, screwdrivers, etc. (also SuperCombo wrenches re-branded as CAT) and Taiwan which is re-branded Blue Point tools.

Easiest way to tell the two apart is if the part number starts with letters, it's USA. If the part number is all numbers, it's Taiwan.

Let's get back on track and show truck brand equivalents from the OEMs.

 

[yogitech]

Nothing spectacular, but I happened across this last week...

Snap-On Allen T-handle Rack
PN: AWSTAND for $20.20

In typical Snap-On fashion, also half the price from:

McMaster-Carr:
PN: 53045A36 for $11.24

So... This is really a deal breaker over $9.04 difference? Lol

 

[ihateminimumwage]

Had some free time today, so I've been compiling actual part numbers for everything. It's been a MAJOR headache having to deal with the awful Snap-On, Sears and MAC websites. Matco's is the best set up, but since almost every tool is a re-brand, it's been overwhelming!

When I get further into it, I'll start another thread so all the info can be up on the front page (vs this old thread). Also had to chase down PN for sets that either had the number changed, or are no longer offered (i.e. the 12pc Craftsman Snap Ring Plier Set sold by Matco/Snap-On/MAC/Proto/Williams/SK).

Here's some Matco pliers numbers that weren't on here before...

Pliers:
PU3SA 3pc Universal Pliers Set - Knipex 00-20-08
SPM4 4pc Precision Pliers Set - Knipex 00-80-81
SPRIE8 8pc Snap Ring Pliers Set - Knipex 00-20-04
MST3723 2pc Push Pin Plier Set - KD 41840
QRP4S 4 Piece Quick Release Pliers Set - Direct Source QRP4
HCPR20A Ratcheting Hose Clamp Pliers - OTC 4525, Astro Pneumatic 9409A

MST1225 12pc Quarter Turn Internal/External Snap Ring Plier Set - Lang/Kastar 3495, SK 7612, Proto 360B, Snap-On SRPC112, Williams PL-1612, MAC PK1250

Filter Pliers:
OF29700 Adjustable Filter Plier - OTC 4560
OF29900 Extra Large Adjustable Filter Plier - OTC 4561
ADJFP2 Adjustable Filter Plier Twin Pack - OTC 4562
OF5075A Slip Joint Oil Filter Plier - Lisle 50750
OF5095 Large Slip Joint Oil Filter Plier - Lisle 50950
209G 9" Oil Filter Pliers - Channellock 209
212G 12" Oil Filter Pliers - Channellock 212

More to come.

 

[ADSR]

I have never seen this thread before and want to say thanks to all the members who have put their time in here.

I just read the whole thing, and this thread has A LOT of great info in it and should be a sticky.

 

[ihateminimumwage]

I have never seen this thread before and want to say thanks to all the members who have put their time in here.

I just read the whole thing, and this thread has A LOT of great info in it and should be a sticky.

I'm hoping when I have all the part numbers together from here in a proper list, I can get it all up nicely organized in a new thread and can push for it to be a sticky. Shouldn't take too long to get it done, and can just keep adding to it.

The OP of this thread doesn't update it anymore, and there's a lot of generalizations without actual part numbers. That's what got me thinking about doing a more detailed version.

Hoping to make it as far as the part numbers for individual Williams USA/Snap-On (and Williams Taiwan/Blue Point) sockets and screwdrivers (not just sets).

 

[Luke M]

Any rebrands of things available to the UK I know Halfords rebrand some Gearwrench things but anything else?

 

[farmerbrooks]

Sent from my LGL45C using Tapatalk 2

 

[theamcaddict]

Sioux air tools signature series is made in the USA and snap on relabels most of it. I got the 3/8 mini air ratchet for $163 from Whitehead industrial.com.

SRW03S38 = FAR2505

Srw03s25 = FAR2500

sent from my Moto X

 

[ihateminimumwage]

Of course this becomes a sticky right when I release the updated version!

Here's the updated thread. 10x more tools and part numbers, and actually well organized:
http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=249851

Hopefully the stickies can be swapped in the not too distant future.

 

[W0rLDWaR4]

Thanks guys for all your help!