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The value of a Makerspace

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I have a hard time remembering back to a time when I wasn't familiar with the concept of a Makerspace/Hackerspace, but I think most people have never seen one. I've been a member at two so far, Make It Labs in Nashua NH and I helped found the Manchester Makerspace in Manchester NH. Both have similar tooling, but Nashua has been around for a lot longer, and as such, is much better outfitted.

In essence, a Makerspace is a shared workshop space. You would pay a membership, and help to manage whatever tooling you use the most commonly, and get (typically 24/7) access to the facility. In Manchester's case, that means roughly 6000 sq/ft to build out as members see fit. That's been built out as a woodworking space, metalworking space, loading dock with gantry crane, office areas, 3d printers, a laser cutter, and a whole big pile of electronics gear.

I know there are plenty of people here who love the romance of owning your own tools (I'm often the same way), but if you're willing to share, you can gain access to much more capacity than any individual can reasonably put together. For example, I spent my weekend sprawling out while working on this 10' x 4' frame table. I wouldn't even attempt something like this at home.

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The bandsaw there is much nicer than the small 4x6 that I have at home, as well.

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Not only do these spaces attract awesome tool donations, but they also attract the best people. All manner of expertise is available on-hand at any time, meaning that whether you want to learn to weld, anodize, turn a nice wood wine stopper, design and 3d print a new phone case, or program a new Arduino climate control, someone could teach you how.

To me, it seems like this is the ultimate garage, where you don't need to be the sole maintainer of every piece of tooling, and you have access to much more space than would otherwise be available. Has anyone else done things in a Makerspace?
 
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and who pays for the consumables? how would I do woodworking with someone welding next to me?
 

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Interesting. And I thought that my idea of having a woodworking shop that people can share and pay memebership and consumables was an original idea. Oh well I guess I was wrong. Although it might be original up here in Montreal?
 

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Here's a link to the Make it Labs in Nashua

http://www.makeitlabs.com/

$40 a month for hobby member
$75 a month for pro member (24/7 access and more time on time metered equipment.

This facility is 12000 square feet and is obviously divided into distinct shop areas. In other words you don't do woodworking in the welding area.
 

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The big question regarding makerspace is insurance. I'm assuming that there is a governing board, or host, that takes care of the bureaucratic issues, so what does it cost the host for liability insurance? And is training of some kind offered? I can imagine that a hobbyist with minimal experience can get himself in big trouble in a heartbeat without some kind of training or at least a competency evaluation on certain machinery.

I would certainly be interested in something like this for metalworking. I have all of my own woodworking equipment, but the best I can come up with for metalworking is a hacksaw, a Mapp torch, a couple of ball pein hammers and a chunk of rail for an anvil.
 
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The big question regarding makerspace is insurance. I'm assuming that there is a governing board, or host, that takes care of the bureaucratic issues, so what does it cost the host for liability insurance? And is training of some kind offered? I can imagine that a hobbyist with minimal experience can get himself in big trouble in a heartbeat without some kind of training or at least a competency evaluation on certain machinery.

I would certainly be interested in something like this for metalworking. I have all of my own woodworking equipment, but the best I can come up with for metalworking is a hacksaw, a Mapp torch, a couple of ball pein hammers and a chunk of rail for an anvil.

I sent an email to them about insurance as I couldn't find an answer on their web page either.
As far as training goes they explain exactly what happens before you can use the facilities. Check the link again.
 
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Interesting. And I thought that my idea of having a woodworking shop that people can share and pay memebership and consumables was an original idea. Oh well I guess I was wrong. Although it might be original up here in Montreal?

Community Night is every Thursday from 4PM - 9PM. Go check it out!

http://heliosmakerspace.ca/

I watched from afar as these guys made [and are making ] a go of it at $40.00/month. I wish there was one in my town.

http://www.rochestermakerspace.org/faqs/

Once we've increased our membership base to ~100 members, we'll be able to drop our prices similarly. Right now we have too much space for the number of members, and so our price per individual has to be higher than we'd like.

If you want to have one in your town, get some folks together and start one. PM me and I'll happily share all of my notes, from "What happens when someone cuts off their finger?" to "We're family friendly and a registered ********* just joined. What do I do?"

Just curious, what is the monthly membership cost?

It's very location-specific. We currently charge $100/mo for unlimited 24/7 access, with discounts if you pay for a longer term (a year would come out to $75/mo). The only 'extra charge' we have is for project storage space. We offer 'workbench storage' (think big rolling toolbox with an engine-sized project on top of it) for $20/mo up to the 'large project plot' (the taped-off section I'm using for my Datsun) for around $160/mo.

Other spaces charge more or less, based upon what amenities are available and what 'space' is worth in that area. Artisan's Asylum in Somerville (one of the nicest Makerspaces I've ever seen) charges $175 for an unlimited monthly membership, and that's considered extremely competitive down there.

I love owning my own stuff, but there's no way you can compare/compete with big player financially, and the stuff that they own.

Makerspaces are something I'd like to explore.

The biggest win for me has been the other members. These spaces tend to attract engineers, fabricators, and inventors who all have very specialized skill-sets. For example, I'm a systems/software engineer who builds race cars. I'm hopeless with electronics/wiring. It's easy to find the right person to consult when you're trying something really weird. Whether it's, "How do I measure the electrical resistance of this circuit" or "How do I increase the power on this laser cutter without damaging the element?" this is the most likely place to find a plausible answer.

Otherwise, it's really nice to have space for a proper lathe, milling machine, a laser cutter, and a lift, without having to take out a mortgage for a bigger garage. If not for Makerspaces, I would never have had access to any of that.

and who pays for the consumables? how would I do woodworking with someone welding next to me?

GENERALLY speaking, you're responsible for providing your own consumables ... but there are some exceptions. Consumables like laser cutting elements and welding gas aren't worth tracking, and most of the time we just ask members to donate what they can afford when the time comes to renew them. We end up with enough donations from people and businesses that sheet metal and general-use wood is commonly available for free.

We have pretty good separation between different stations.

Wood Floor
Woodworking has its own room, I'll see if I can dig up some photos. It's still a pretty basic shop, with a planer, table saw, lathe, etc. That's the 'wood floored' section of the building, around 1200sq/ft.

Concrete Floor
The 'concrete floored' section consists of metal reductive tooling (horizontal and vertical bandsaws, drill press, lathe, grinders, etc). In another section, we have additive tooling (welding). In the huge loading dock, we have our automotive workshop with the overhead gantry crane.

Electronics
Another room has the electronics bench, with spectrometers, signal generators, electrical power supplies, soldering, etc.

Rapid Prototyping
Another room is dedicated to rapid prototyping, with both 3d printers and a laser cutter (which is being repaired right now, and likely won't be ready for use 'till October).

There are a few more rooms/offices that aren't being used yet, or that haven't been built out fully, and a general 'lounge and meeting area' that's used for Board meetings, Membership meetings, etc.

Here's a link to the Make it Labs in Nashua

http://www.makeitlabs.com/

$40 a month for hobby member
$75 a month for pro member (24/7 access and more time on time metered equipment.

This facility is 12000 square feet and is obviously divided into distinct shop areas. In other words you don't do woodworking in the welding area.

The new space looks fantastic too. If the drive there/back were shorter, I would never have left.

The big question regarding makerspace is insurance. I'm assuming that there is a governing board, or host, that takes care of the bureaucratic issues, so what does it cost the host for liability insurance? And is training of some kind offered? I can imagine that a hobbyist with minimal experience can get himself in big trouble in a heartbeat without some kind of training or at least a competency evaluation on certain machinery.

I would certainly be interested in something like this for metalworking. I have all of my own woodworking equipment, but the best I can come up with for metalworking is a hacksaw, a Mapp torch, a couple of ball pein hammers and a chunk of rail for an anvil.

Every organization is different, but the majority of Makerspaces are nonprofits with a Board of Directors who work their asses off to empower the community, and make sure it's a safe workspace. Most spaces have a 'resource manager' or 'workshop officer' who handles safety training for any tools that could be dangerous to the operator, bystanders, or tool. Most spaces also offer paid training to members and non-members, as a way of improving the output.

There's a big difference between welding a roll cage safely, and welding a safe roll cage. Once you have enough 'basics' training to do the former, you can go through some paid training for the latter.

Insurance can be a little bit of a challenge, but try to this of this as being the same as any other fabrication/manufacturing business. This one just happens to be a member-run nonprofit.
 
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Living in a smaller town with lots of access to people with various machines and a decent amount garage space I don't have a lot of interest in maker spaces right now. If I was forced to move to a big city I would probably join one to keep my sanity. They seem like a potential way to maintain my sanity while living in an apartment.
 
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This could be a great idea but in my experience, no one takes care of tools very well if they don't own them.

You're exactly right. With the right community, it's possible to make all the members feel a sense of ownership in the space. No doubt about it though, it's one of the biggest struggles in any Makerspace.

Still, I'd rather own a set of personal end mills than to have to own my own milling machine.

Living in a smaller town with lots of access to people with various machines and a decent amount garage space I don't have a lot of interest in maker spaces right now. If I was forced to move to a big city I would probably join one to keep my sanity. They seem like a potential way to maintain my sanity while living in an apartment.

Your town is your Makerspace. It's just a bit more spread out than ours is. It makes less sense in a small town, but don't think this concept is only beneficial to big cities. I've found that I really need around 3 garage bays to get a project done, then I'd want to have a barn for storage on top of that. If nothing else, a Makerspace offers a significant amount of space.
 

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I looked into this at one time.

As mentioned, it seemed insurance was the killer. Nobody could get proper coverage.

I do also worry about how you'd deal with a problem person who doesn't play nice. Messy, not using the equipment properly, etc.

I think it's a great idea. But I also think it's something that would probably only work out well as in informal agreement between a close group of friends.
 
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I looked into this at one time.

As mentioned, it seemed insurance was the killer. Nobody could get proper coverage.

I do also worry about how you'd deal with a problem person who doesn't play nice. Messy, not using the equipment properly, etc.

I think it's a great idea. But I also think it's something that would probably only work out well as in informal agreement between a close group of friends.

Simply put, we expect everyone to "Be most excellent to each other." That's in the Code of Conduct that members sign when they sign up. At any point, the Board can terminate a membership and give a prorated refund.

Insurance was fairly straightforward for us, but mostly because MakeIt Labs had already paved the way and established a sane starting point. It isn't cheap, but it provides good coverage for members and guests. Insurance may be completely different in Canada, though?
 

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What do you do for building access? is is electronic key card? definitely be nice to have a way of tracking for those problem ppl that need to be dealt with.

I love the idea. I love the concept. Unfortunately, I used to have my shop as the main space. I was taken advantage of pretty badly. Then when I asked ppl to help replace the consumables they used. ****. everybody was gone.

I just need to surround myself with better ppl :)
 
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What do you do for building access? is is electronic key card? definitely be nice to have a way of tracking for those problem ppl that need to be dealt with.

I love the idea. I love the concept. Unfortunately, I used to have my shop as the main space. I was taken advantage of pretty badly. Then when I asked ppl to help replace the consumables they used. ****. everybody was gone.

I just need to surround myself with better ppl :)

We wrote some Python, set up an LDAP database, and attached an RFID reader to an Arduino. We have RFID on the front door, along with a video camera on a raspberry pi that records whenever the door is open.

Ideally, we'll extend this to specific machines in the near future (again, similar to MakeIt in Nashua), so we'd be able to approve/deny users access to a tool, based on what training they've had. If your user account hasn't been marked off as 'safe metal lathe user' then swiping your card won't turn it on. It'd also give us some kind of accountability for when a tool breaks, or if it's left messy with metal chips or sawdust all over the place.

At the end of the day, you'll never have perfect protection from inconsiderate people. The best you can do is foster a culture of respect for the space and for other members. At the gym, I almost never see someone use equipment without wiping it down afterward. It's part of the culture, and if you aren't doing the thing everyone else is doing, you notice and start doing it.
 

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I would love to see some photos, I wish I could start a makerspace but insurance is standing in the way. I already have most of the tooling and honestly wish I could share it as I am working hard enough I do not get to always enjoy using it.
 

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On Staten Island (NYC) $60 per day/$250 weekly (5 day) for a Makerspace; basically daylight hours. Way to much for me, but plenty of others who can afford it live hear. Nice idea though.

"$75 a month for pro member (24/7 access and more time on time metered equipment."
This is very reasonable ! Like the idea of 24 hour access.
 
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cool concept, but the one place around here, opened after we moved the office 10 miles. It would have been perfect, since it was literally 1/4 mile away from work.

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Is there a locator for similar spaces? I'm not too far from you, but haven't seen much available/existing.

I have a decent of my own tools, so I have been looking for shop space to rent, but anywhere near me caters to artists or is more than I am looking to spend.
 
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I would love to see some photos, I wish I could start a makerspace but insurance is standing in the way. I already have most of the tooling and honestly wish I could share it as I am working hard enough I do not get to always enjoy using it.

I'll get some for you tonight. It took awhile for us to finish our initial cleanup/buildout effort, and we're just finishing the cleanup and painting that came after that.

Is there a locator for similar spaces? I'm not too far from you, but haven't seen much available/existing.

I have a decent of my own tools, so I have been looking for shop space to rent, but anywhere near me caters to artists or is more than I am looking to spend.

There are LOTS of locators for similar spaces, but that's kind of the problem. None of them have all of them. The ... least bad ... one that I've found is here:
https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/List_of_Hackerspaces

I can't quite call it "good" ... just least bad.

In the Boston area, Artisan's Asylum or Lowell Makes are probably your best bet. Both are great spaces. I don't know of any others in the area, but if you stop in to either of those spaces they'll be able to tell you what else is nearby. Generally speaking, Makerspaces are eager to help each other out. MakeIt has helped us in several ways, and we really wouldn't have been able to build out as quickly or efficiently if not for them.
 
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I was involved in one for a while, it was primarily geared toward urban apartment dwellers who had no space, or people that didn't have a garage or shop to work in, or worked on big projects that took up a lot of space. Or had specialized needs (they originally had a awesome forge and foundry set-up).... and they were pretty centrally located.

What I remember was it was pretty nice, tho you had to be a monthly member PLUS pay an hourly use fee for the "shop floor", plus for time on whatever equipment you used. You also had to reserve a time block on equipment, and you could get bumped off that slot by a board member or their friends. Oh yeah... that membership card did get you a slight discount at some of the suppliers and at the local hardware store (that was kinda overpriced to begin with).

I started to get jaded with it when they started doing "quarterly dues increases" and "increased usage fees"... they moved (to a smaller building 15 miles away, in a dicey neighborhood) about the same time I got a place with enough garage to work in, so we parted company... but for a while they were the ticket. If you find one that works, and works well for what you want, are OK with their terms, and can afford it (it's still cheaper than paying for your own 3 phase and machine shop) then you're golden.
 

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I had a great experience with TechShops when they were in Raliegh. I was month to month (around $40ish). They ultimately closed their doors but I think there are others around the country. I used it while I waited to build my house and shop to practice TIG and MIG. They had an impressive metal shop as well as separate woodworking area.
 

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We wrote some Python, set up an LDAP database, and attached an RFID reader to an Arduino. We have RFID on the front door, along with a video camera on a raspberry pi that records whenever the door is open.

Ideally, we'll extend this to specific machines in the near future (again, similar to MakeIt in Nashua), so we'd be able to approve/deny users access to a tool, based on what training they've had. If your user account hasn't been marked off as 'safe metal lathe user' then swiping your card won't turn it on. It'd also give us some kind of accountability for when a tool breaks, or if it's left messy with metal chips or sawdust all over the place.

At the end of the day, you'll never have perfect protection from inconsiderate people. The best you can do is foster a culture of respect for the space and for other members. At the gym, I almost never see someone use equipment without wiping it down afterward. It's part of the culture, and if you aren't doing the thing everyone else is doing, you notice and start doing it.

Very interesting. Obviously you and your team have put a great deal of thought and effort into putting together a business model that per your responses seems to be working out. I would imagine you guys have also given considerable thought to marketing the concept as well. With a nation wide structure there could be significant savings of insurance, legal fee's and partnerships with suppliers for consumables, equipment and material, etc.

How is the board of directors elected and how is equipment procurement and repairs handled?. Lets say someone like myself comes to the table with a hundred grand worth of equipment and tooling where as the other "original" partners have much less invested in the program. Is there a hierarchy inherent to the net worth of the investment or is it truly shared?.

Also how is the property leased (assumed), a LLC of the original investors or maybe a sole individual signs on the dotted line and crosses their fingers?. Guess I could go on and on with questions. I've always liked the idea, I gave something like this considerable thought before I closed my contracting business and sold my building. But what stopped it dead it its tracks was insurance, my agent had plenty of four letter words to describe my thought process. :lol:
 

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I just read through this thread and got really excited.. Regulated it could be a really good idea. When I lived in Manchester UK there was a place a few miles from where my Mom lived that had three 4 post lifts and Two 2 posts that you could rent for a very small fee to work on your own cars.. they had a guy there sat in a cage with a lot of regular and specialist tools that you could also rent if you didn't own them yourself.. Pullers, locking tools etc. He was also a trained mechanic and would give free advise and help.. it was great for younger drivers to learn.. So I just did a search to see if there are any makerspace type things in the UK.. there are three.. 100- 160- and 200 miles from me respectively.. I'm not excited anymore.. Did find a Men's Shed about 15 miles away but it's mainly for retired gents so I'll have to wait ..
 
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I was involved in one for a while, it was primarily geared toward urban apartment dwellers who had no space, or people that didn't have a garage or shop to work in, or worked on big projects that took up a lot of space. Or had specialized needs (they originally had a awesome forge and foundry set-up).... and they were pretty centrally located.

That's definitely where the idea came from. I see it as a good way to combine forces with like-minded people to make better projects, or to make projects in better ways.

... monthly member PLUS pay an hourly use fee for the "shop floor", plus for time on whatever equipment you used. You also had to reserve a time block on equipment, and you could get bumped off that slot by a board member or their friends

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I started to get jaded with it when they started doing "quarterly dues increases" and "increased usage fees" ...

No. Just ... no. That sounds like a 'bad management' problem more than anything.

I had a great experience with TechShops when they were in Raliegh. I was month to month (around $40ish). They ultimately closed their doors but I think there are others around the country. I used it while I waited to build my house and shop to practice TIG and MIG. They had an impressive metal shop as well as separate woodworking area.

TechShops are pretty much the same thing, but I believe they're a for-profit organization. I don't really care if it's for-profit or non-profit, but non-profit definitely opens doors to collaboration within the community a bit more.

Very interesting.

Let's take this one thought at a time, shall we?

Obviously you and your team have put a great deal of thought and effort into putting together a business model that per your responses seems to be working out. I would imagine you guys have also given considerable thought to marketing the concept as well. With a nation wide structure there could be significant savings of insurance, legal fee's and partnerships with suppliers for consumables, equipment and material, etc.

That's the idea, but that level of management becomes unwieldy. In my experience, a Makerspace needs to be opportunistic. Some areas have a strong electronics community (first-person drone racing), some have a strong metal fabrication community, some love high-end woodworking, others are 3d printing evangelists, and some are only interested in art.

As for marketing, that's definitely our weakest link. Marketing requires planning, execution, and dedication. Those are all hard things to get out of a volunteer organization, and most Makerspaces suffer. Because of that, most of the target audience (let's be honest here, GJ is the perfect target audience) has no idea that these places exist, or how they operate.

In our case, every member that joins brings along their own connections. Our local Miller rep is donating a couple of welders, we're working with our Matheson rep to get deep discounts on consumables/gas, the local Woodworker's guild has donated a whole bunch of equipment, Autodesk purchased a 3d printer for us, and a local metal supplier has offered us a 25% discount (they already have great prices), along with free delivery. The landlord has donated time, 6 months rent-free, and a few key tools like the JET horizontal bandsaw and the two big MIG welders in the background of my first post.

As for legal fees and such, Devine Millimet is a local law firm that provides several pro bono services to local startups, and they've helped us to button up all of our paperwork so far.

If a Makerspace is going to work, it's all about community and having a strong, positive vision to provide value back to the community.

How is the board of directors elected and how is equipment procurement and repairs handled?. Lets say someone like myself comes to the table with a hundred grand worth of equipment and tooling where as the other "original" partners have much less invested in the program. Is there a hierarchy inherent to the net worth of the investment or is it truly shared?.

Again, this is handled on a case-by-case basis, so my experience is anecdotal.

Initially, I was a member of MakeIt Labs, but driving ~45 minutes there after work, working on my race car, then driving home every few nights was exhausting. I did the math, and realized I was wasting around 20 hours a month just driving there and back. Manchester seemed like a good area to have its own Makerspace, so I started asking around to see who else had started one. A few efforts had been started, but all had fizzled out. I collected the people who were still invested in it, and we formed a "Steering Committee" - effectively a Board of Directors whose only goal is to organize the election of a permanent Board of Directors.

From there, we did a lot of reading, and a lot of asking questions, and drafted a Charter, Bylaws, Articles of Incorporation, and started discussions with insurance brokers and building owners/managers. A year later, we were ready to sign a lease, and decided upon 36 Old Granite St, in Manchester NH. It's right in the center of our small City, next to the main event arena, and we could start moving equipment in.

At that point, we had invested something like $300 into the business as founding Board members. Equipment loans are complicated to maintain, and members bringing personal equipment in is just messy, so we decided that the Makerspace would own every piece of equipment that members could use. We donated some basic things, like some folding tables, cleaning supplies, a shop vac, etc. That stuff now belonged to the Makerspace. The landlord donated some equipment. One of the Board members negotiated an agreement with Autodesk to acquire a 3d printer and consumables, and we ended up with a TV and a 3d design computer in the deal.

By this point, we were still waiting for a Certificate of Occupancy from the City, which essentially states that we were open for business. It took nearly a year to get that, but when we finally did, we started to sign members up as quickly as possible.

As members signed up, they took on roles as Officers. One became the Metalworking Officer, another became the Woodworking Officer. Each Officer submitted a proposed plan for their workstation, and a list of tools they'd like. From those lists, we asked for equipment donations, and 'good things' started to roll in. With a single exception, all of those 'good things' belong to the Makerspace. No member or Board member has (or ever will) receive any compensation for any of this work or any of these donations. Seeing the Makerspace succeed, and having access to a better place overall, is enough that our contributions don't require any kind of direct compensation.

A few weeks ago, we saw how much had changed since initially forming the Board of Directors, and decided it was time to re-align the Board. I stepped down from my position as Chair and handed it off to another member who is at least as committed, and much more excited about leadership. The (then current) Board of Directors voted in the new Board of Directors with more clearly defined responsibilities. If you're really interested, all of our Board Meeting Minutes are publicly available. Meetings are managed via Robert's Rules of Order, and we try to keep the meetings as short as possible, only bringing motions to the meeting when they're ready for a decision.

The simplicity and clarity of these decisions makes it easy for our Board to act decisively. For example, the landlord donated MIG welders that require 3phase power. We don't have enough 3phase power to go around, and Miller is willing to donate newer, more efficient, 230v welders. Therefore, we'll sell the big MIG units and invest the money from that into welding bench supplies, or welding screens, or consumables, or something else that benefits the Makerspace more than big industrial machinery that doesn't suit us. If the Makerspace didn't get a clear receipt of donation when they were dropped off, we'd be in a sticky situation where the landlord might have to take them back, or we'd be forced to dispose of them rather than sell them.

So, to directly answer your initial question that I've been dancing around:
No individual has any stake in the company. If the Makerspace dissolves, all of the equipment is donated to a similar non-profit Makerspace (or closest approximation) and nobody receives compensation.

Also how is the property leased (assumed), a LLC of the original investors or maybe a sole individual signs on the dotted line and crosses their fingers?. Guess I could go on and on with questions. I've always liked the idea, I gave something like this considerable thought before I closed my contracting business and sold my building. But what stopped it dead it its tracks was insurance, my agent had plenty of four letter words to describe my thought process. :lol:

Every State has specific laws regarding it. In our case, there are no investors, and never have been. There are representatives of the Organization (President, Vice President, and Treasurer) who sign documents as official representatives. A building is leased to the organization, not to individuals. The same is true for insurance, with the slight exception of NDO (directors and officers) insurance. That's another ball of wax entirely, and essentially offers protection for individual representatives from being prosecuted for faults with the organization.
 
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I just read through this thread and got really excited.. Regulated it could be a really good idea. When I lived in Manchester UK there was a place a few miles from where my Mom lived that had three 4 post lifts and Two 2 posts that you could rent for a very small fee to work on your own cars.. they had a guy there sat in a cage with a lot of regular and specialist tools that you could also rent if you didn't own them yourself.. Pullers, locking tools etc. He was also a trained mechanic and would give free advise and help.. it was great for younger drivers to learn.. So I just did a search to see if there are any makerspace type things in the UK.. there are three.. 100- 160- and 200 miles from me respectively.. I'm not excited anymore.. Did find a Men's Shed about 15 miles away but it's mainly for retired gents so I'll have to wait ..

It's funny, we still get emails, phone calls, and Facebook messages from folks across the pond all the time. It definitely seems like there's a desire to have something along these lines over there, but it takes a handful of determined people with a common vision to make it happen.

The idea of 'shop rental space' has been done a few times in a few places. If you've ever heard of "Car Talk" on NPR (think BBC but smaller, more American, and radio-only), the brothers who used to host the show used to run a shop like that. It can certainly work, but it's hard to get the community behind that kind of idea.

Generally speaking, people like to be inspired. I'm building a rotary-powered Datsun with modern suspension and a tube frame, and that does it for certain people. Another person just made a robotic arm. One of MakeIt's members was trying to break a world record with a small rocket. There's a "flite club" of multicopter enthusiasts. We're hosting a "roller derby knitting race" in January (we have a lively roller derby community here in New England).

Generally speaking, that's the sort of thing people get excited about. It's hard to get excited about someone else fixing their brakes and changing their oil ... at least, outside of this forum, it is. :lol_hitti
 

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Excellent - thorough response drumming, thank you very much. That's an incredible amount of dedication and considerations to make this come together. My hats off to you bud, keep up the great work!.
 

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I agree with your "bad management" assessment of the one I was part of... I kind of think they had something kinda shady going on as well... run well (and transparently) I think it's an awesome idea. I've seen many a Burning Man project (Yes, I were a Burner) done through things similar to Makerspace gigs, and I know they work.
 
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I find that one of the biggest challenges throughout the process is putting your own ideals aside, and making changes that are good for everyone rather than specific individuals. If one person really wants a specific tool, but they'll be the only one who uses it, they could foot the bill to buy one for the Makerspace, but it isn't necessarily a good idea to use valuable workspace to store that tool.
 

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sadly our local one is around $160 a month (or around $105 if you pay for the full year in advanced)
they do have a 10visit punch card that i might do for $350. but my garage is mostly setup for what i need, the one tool that would be useful is their huge hydraulic finger brake lol
 
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California is a strange place. I lived in the San Francisco bay area for a few years, and the culture and economics of that area disgusted me. Visiting southern California was like going to another country ... but with similarly desert-by-the-ocean landscape. That pricing sounds ridiculous to me, but it may be entirely reasonable in your area. Maybe that price is worth it, when compared against the cost of buying/storing/maintaining a big brake?

It isn't uncommon to have local groups meet in a makerspace, but I'm not familiar with the term locksport. Is that lockpicking for sport?

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We just got a super cool jack donation that I couldn't turn down (I'm the automotive Officer for the space). I'm thinking about tearing it down and giving it a good cleaning and a fresh coat of paint.

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Sounds like a viable alternative in areas with a high density of apartment dwellers. I don't think it will catch on down here however because of the availability of single family housing and cheap (relatively) land. For $160 a month you could by a lot and build a metal building in most places.

We are starting to see a number of business startup co-ops which have a similar collaborative flavor.
 

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This is a really cool idea and sounds great for guys like me who want to tinker on projects but don't have lots of tools or space.
 
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