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don long

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The jack had the handle but was missing the switch and battery holder, and it had the cover on the pump with no lense or light. I'm a machinist and I made all the parts that were missing. Its not original but it works.
Most of those jacks are missing the switch and battery holder and the lens. It sure would be nice if you could duplicate that work for a few of us who love those old jacks. I for one would love to have a jack that worked!!!
 
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Most of those jacks are missing the switch and battery holder and the lens. It sure would be nice if you could duplicate that work for a few of us who love those old jacks. I for one would love to have a jack that worked!!!
Here are some of the extra parts I have. Theres a battery pack that fits in the handle, a switch from a flashlight, an adapter sleeve for the switch to the handle, a socket that holds the LED where the lamp was, and a lexan lens. All you would need is some wire and solder to make it work. I had alot of time in making them, they are not original. I would sell them for $120
 

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don long

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Here are some of the extra parts I have. Theres a battery pack that fits in the handle, a switch from a flashlight, an adapter sleeve for the switch to the handle, a socket that holds the LED where the lamp was, and a lexan lens. All you would need is some wire and solder to make it work. I had alot of time in making them, they are not original. I would sell them for $120
THank you Shiber
I received the kit to make my light work and will be installing it this week
 

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I just got home from a 200 mile round trip this afternoon picking up another S W E E T tool box.
This one looks almost new. I'll decide which tool set came in it and get it gathered up for display. No work needed on this box!!!

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Check out the pulls on the drawers and all the original pads look to be included. Couldn't be happier!!!!
 

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I just got home from a 200 mile round trip this afternoon picking up another S W E E T tool box.
This one looks almost new. I'll decide which tool set came in it and get it gathered up for display. No work needed on this box!!!

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Check out the pulls on the drawers and all the original pads look to be included. Couldn't be happier!!!!
Man that’s a nice one! I would argue that one deserves to stay in original paint 👍
 

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I just got home from a 200 mile round trip this afternoon picking up another S W E E T tool box.
This one looks almost new. I'll decide which tool set came in it and get it gathered up for display. No work needed on this box!!!

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Check out the pulls on the drawers and all the original pads look to be included. Couldn't be happier!!!!

Don, this looks amazing. I do not remember seeing these type of handles on the drawers - this is great!!!

What's on the badge - the name? Can you make a picture of it? (Hmm, may be this is the only thing you can change - put one in your name!!!)


Please add it to a reference thread!!!
 

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Man that’s a nice one! I would argue that one deserves to stay in original paint 👍
Smoky
I thought the very same thing. I told my wife "can you believe it? I bought something that is not a project"
And it was only $100.00
Don, this looks amazing. I do not remember seeing these type of handles on the drawers - this is great!!!

What's on the badge - the name? Can you make a picture of it? (Hmm, may be this is the only thing you can change - put one in your name!!!)


Please add it to a reference thread!!!
Shelby
I didn't notice those pulls from the photos when I found the box but was pleasantly surprised when I first saw the box and noticed those weren't knobs. Here is a shot of the badge and nameplate you requested

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Reposting and expanding from the Garage Sale Thread.
This weekend at an estate sale, I noticed a beat up red tool box on the garage floor and had to open it. What I saw was a 3/4" wrench set covered in dirt and dried grease. I was barely able to discern the name Chief Wrench Set and 14BD on the remnants of the inner decal and picked up a few sockets and drive tools to confirm they were Blackhawk. The tools seemed sound but the box was a mess. Someone had burned the front of it brazing the latch back on. The paint is badly deteriorated and the what's left of the inner decal is barely there.
It took me all afternoon to de-grease the tools and box. I found I'm missing the 1-1/16 60034 but included was a Bonney 1-3/16 HD-38, a size this set did not include. The tools are vastly improved but the box didn't really get any better.
All tools and sockets are stamped either 1-, 1, -1, or 2. According to AA's calculations for the year and design factors for the decade, I believe this set comes from 1952. Polished chrome eliminates the '40s, while the 1953 catalog changed the set number to 14B (vs. 14BD). My only doubt is the catalogs show (I know, I know!) Bald-Head ratchets in the set vs. mine which isn't really a Freewheeling rat either.

At this point I jumped down a rabbit hole looking for my 69987 ratchet which, on the side opposite to the item number, is stamped with Made in U.S.A. followed by the as yet unhelpful number 18.
On the Garage Sale thread, 3baygarage noted that the drive end of my ratchet was a New Britain design. After cobbling together the timeline below, I'm wondering if my otherwise 1952-looking set has a 1955/6 ratchet in it. It doesn't seem probable that NB was making their own style ratchet for Blackhawk before the sale. There are no Blackhawk catalogs between 1953 and 1961 that I can reference so I don't know what was available immediately prior to and after the sale to NB, but I can say with some surety that my ratchet is not depicted in any of the available catalogs. The 1961 catalog does show a 3/4" hinge handle with my ratchet handle design (two groups of latitudinal grooves with cross-knurling between).

Timeline of available catalogs:
Blackhawk has been selling a version of this Heavy Duty set since about 1928--in years prior you couldn't get a ratchet as part of the set. Back then it was called the 36B set and came with four drive tools, eight sockets (1-1/8 - 1-5/8) and a metal case.
Blackhawk's 1931 catalog No. 231 is the first I could find offering the 14BD set (14 pieces & D for Double Hex)--now featuring their Lock-On system--and contained the four drive tools, a Lock-On release tool and nine sockets (1 - 1-5/8).
The Freewheeling ratchet appeared in the 1935 catalog
In 1939 they blew their new labeling system by offering the 14BD set with 15 tools, dropping the release tool and adding two larger sockets (1-13/16 & 2"). In addition to Gripline styling, the tools were now sporting their new item numbers--6999X for 3/4" drive tools and 600XX for sockets.
By 1943, the set was trimmed back to 14 pieces by ditching the 1" socket.
By 1947, the longitudinal lines of the Gripline style were replaced with latitudinal rings around drive tool handles.
In 1950, the set gets the 1" socket back along with two that are even smaller 15/16 and 7/8--increasing the total tool count to seventeen and decreasing the relevance of the 14BD set number. The Bald-Head ratchet appears and usurps the Freewheeling ratchet's item number. The Freewheeling ratchet is not displayed in the 3/4 drive size but remains in all the other sizes.
In 1953 set 14BD loses its D for Double Hex designator but as 14B retains all its 12pt sockets.
At the end of 1955 Blackhawk is sold to New Britain Machine Co.
Since 1947 Blackhawk touted their smooth, easy-to-clean, slip proof handles and denigrated the competition's "ugly, uncomfortable ordinary cross-knurls". In 1961 they added cross-knurling to all their drive tools. The nondescript Powergrip ratchet appears as the only style offered.
In 1969 a 14-piece Heavy Duty set is offered as 414B with the four drive tools and nine sockets (15/16 - 1-5/8). The case is now counted in the total.

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Very nice. I have a 14DB case with two sockets currently that I am working on, slowly. I think I have a line on the ratchet, but we will see.
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It is also the home for some '20s Snap-on that doesn't have a case yet.
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It is always nice to make a complete swoop on a set like you did.
 

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1961 maybe? Looks like the new britain fine tooth from that time
True, but the '61 catalog depiction below shows a Powergrip ratchet with plain cross-knurling and no other embellishments laying next to a hinge handle with knurling bracketed between two groups of grooves around the handle--just like my ratchet has. This leads me to believe the addition of the cross-knurling was added to the existing grooved style sometime in the catalog void between the '53 & '61 editions.
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Picked up this set if anyone needs it let me know. Im running out of space and i have no major attachment to it. I think i over paid for it but i am sure someone could use it send me a DM with and offer. Thanks

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True, but the '61 catalog depiction below shows a Powergrip ratchet with plain cross-knurling and no other embellishments laying next to a hinge handle with knurling bracketed between two groups of grooves around the handle--just like my ratchet has. This leads me to believe the addition of the cross-knurling was added to the existing grooved style sometime in the catalog void between the '53 & '61 editions.
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That is a new britain ratchet design. The buyout was 1955, so should be after that, unless there was some collaboration before that.

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Cool! What, if any, data do you have on the 3/4 ratchet? Mine has Made in U.S.A. followed by the number 18 on the flip side. No idea what the 18 might signify. In the discussion above, I'm leaning on a date between '55 & '60. The rest of the tools in the set are either '51 or '52. My set wasn't offered with a hinge handle--does yours have a single digit date stamp?
 

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I missed a 3/4" drive tool set on E/b the other day because I was on a Cruise ship and had bad internet.
It had 2 extensions for my tool cabinet. The T17X and the T8X both I need to complete this cabinet

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So I'm still on the hunt. And the T11 valve grinder is one I've not seen yet either
Let me just say that box is rediculous. I’m jealous
 

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I just recieved a nice tool kit today. It is an almost complete Q.D. Wrench set #22CD It is only missing 3 D# sockets
A little clean up on the tools and this set will be ready for my Blackhawk display wall.
(The "D" in CD stands for Double hex socket)

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Thank you Joshotto94
I see something in this box that my mechandiser would love to have! LOL I also see that you now have a T-11. Well done.
 

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This was an unexpected surprise.

Last night I was going to bed just after midnight. I couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw this in my Facebook Marketplace listings. It had been listed just two hours earlier.

Before I even had time to think I responded saying I would take it and could come get it in the morning.

It’d been a bit since I’ve looked for one of these so after I responded I checked the current sold listing prices on EBay. These are easily selling in the $300-500 range. I thought about it for a minute and sent the seller a follow-up message. I told him that I thought he had it priced too low. I mentioned what I had seen on Ebay and suggested he might want to try selling it there, but if he didn’t want to I would be comfortable paying $250 for it.

I called him in the morning too see if it was still available. He said he had appreciated my honesty about the value but didn’t want to deal with EBay and would be fine taking $250 for it.

Apparently it had come out of an antique store 25 years ago and hung on his shop wall since. He was a retired motorcycle shop owner and custom bike builder. He said several times over the years he’d considered cutting it up to make motorcycle parts out of.

I‘m really pleased. It’s in unusually nice shape.
 

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This was an unexpected surprise.

Last night I was going to bed just after midnight. I couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw this in my Facebook Marketplace listings. It had been listed just two hours earlier.

Before I even had time to think I responded saying I would take it and could come get it in the morning.

It’d been a bit since I’ve looked for one of these so after I responded I checked the current sold listing prices on EBay. These are easily selling in the $300-500 range. I thought about it for a minute and sent the seller a follow-up message. I told him that I thought he had it priced too low. I mentioned what I had seen on Ebay and suggested he might want to try selling it there, but if he didn’t want to I would be comfortable paying $250 for it.

I called him in the morning too see if it was still available. He said he had appreciated my honesty about the value but didn’t want to deal with EBay and would be fine taking $250 for it.

Apparently it had come out of an antique store 25 years ago and hung on his shop wall since. He was a retired motorcycle shop owner and custom bike builder. He said several times over the years he’d considered cutting it up to make motorcycle parts out of.

I‘m really pleased. It’s in unusually nice shape.
That's a great grab. It's even a 49K which is the top of the line nuggets set for this box.
 

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I told a member here that I would keep an eye out for him.
He needs a couple of Blackhawk combo wrenches to complete a set.

Well.....no Bhawk combo wrenches turned up
But....
I found a couple of DBE's for me :ROFLMAO:
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I told a member here that I would keep an eye out for him.
He needs a couple of Blackhawk combo wrenches to complete a set.

Well.....no Bhawk combo wrenches turned up
But....
I found a couple of DBE's for me :ROFLMAO:
bhawk1.jpgbhawk2.jpg
Ha ha, don't you love when that happens :). You can look for years for yourself and not find anything . But start looking for someone else and all of a sudden stuff starts showing up :). I think I'm going to start looking for a blackhawk bullet box for a friend...maybe a roller as well :)
 

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Ha ha, don't you love when that happens :). You can look for years for yourself and not find anything . But start looking for someone else and all of a sudden stuff starts showing up :). I think I'm going to start looking for a blackhawk bullet box for a friend...maybe a roller as well :)
You can pretend it’s for me, I’m coming your way soon. It will show up right after I leave.
 
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