Above 1200 Sq/FT The Warthog Hidey Hole

[NedNorton]

JB, congratulations on getting the roof sealed. It's gotta feel good. I know a lot of guys like doing everything themselves but sometimes it's nice to just come home and see it done! Next time it rains it may be time for hanging out by the wood stove with a beer and enjoy the dry.

Cheers,
Chris

 

[rixtrix1]

Great deal on the shed sealing!

 

[jbmatth]

JB, congratulations on getting the roof sealed. It's gotta feel good. I know a lot of guys like doing everything themselves but sometimes it's nice to just come home and see it done! Next time it rains it may be time for hanging out by the wood stove with a beer and enjoy the dry.

Cheers,
Chris

Thank you Chris, I do enjoy seeing the bright reflection from my headlights when I get home after work, and if all goes well I'll even get to see it in daylight today. It is supposed to be in the 70's today so no wood stove needed, however, I might do a little of this:

I'm all for hiring something like this out, it would have taken me about as much money, but would have taken a month of Sundays to complete it, now I can focus on more fut stuff.

Great deal on the shed sealing!

Thanks you Rix, I was pleased, and just to clarify when he first quoted he said 18 which I took as $18,000, way too rich for my blood. But he actually meant $1,800, that is more manageable!

Come on phone ring so I can get out of here!
JB

 

[jbmatth]

While the sun was out on Saturday I decided to take a photo of the outside of the shop. I took the opportunity to use both my camera phone and my Cannon CoolPix L330 and see the difference in the photos.
Camera Phone:

Cannon:

For the Cannon file being almost 3 times the size I wasn't impressed with the photo, I may have to take a look at the settings, surely it will take better photos than my phone but who knows what is going on. Well I'm sure there is someone but it isn't this guy.

Followup: After looking at the settings in Picture Editor I can make it look a little better, perhaps I should have waited for the sun to be on this side more as it would have been later in the afternoon.

Edited the Cannon photo some more:

More to come on Herb's Hearse shortly,
JB

 

[OutlawDrifter]

Now you need a small grass airstrip and a J3 Cub! Looks great!

 

[jbmatth]

Now for Herb's Hearse, I took off Friday afternoon to meet him out at The W.H.H., before he arrived I bled the brakes, adjusted them, put 6 gallons of gas in the tank, and installed the wheels and tires. I had the charger on the battery to make sure it had plenty of juice.

When he arrived I had him in the cab for the start procedure and I was under the hood to try to help it along. I didn't have the right size fuel filter so we put the end of the hose in a Gatorade bottle to flush the lines out. Put some starting fluid in the carb and nothing. At one point while troubleshooting I tested power to the coil and it had 6. whatever volts, tested for spark and nothing. Also the brake pedal was just falling to the floor. Also we weren't getting any fuel out of the pump. AHHH

I was frustrated I'd called him all the way out just to have to admit defeat, also his wife was in the car and I didn't want to keep her waiting so we parted ways. I went in to clear my head and to watch YouTube video's and read the maintenance manual. Saturday morning I went back out determined to figure it out, eventually I discovered the "key" switch in the cab was backwards from normal on modern cars. Turn right on the switch and it kills power to the coil, left and it lets the sparks fly. Tried the starting fluid again and it fired right up for 2 seconds! SUCCESS!!!!

Now onto the fuel problem, well it turns out the inlet side of the pump is at the front of the car not the back pointing to the fuel tank. Swapped the lines around, installed a fuel filter:

View media item 68119
It then started right up again. I adjusted the carb idle a bit and the idle air mixture screw and it purred like a kitten, no noticable lifter noise and no more smoke than you would expect for a 69 year old car. When he comes back this week we will put in some lead additive and try it again so he doesn't think I am blowing smoke up his tailpipe. LOL

Side note: Herb if you have a good timing light could you bring it too, I have one that is pathetic and of no real value.

So with those problems solved it was time to tackle the brakes. I tried re-bleeding them to no success so I pulled the master cylinder off, that was harder than it should have been because the brake and clutch pedals pivots are part of the master cylinder, seen here:

View media item 68121
There is a grease zerk between the two pivots, I removed that and found this:

View media item 68122
I didn't have a bolt that would fit or the special J-1441 tool. I assumed it was a reverse thread so I started hunting online and of course no one makes the tool as far as I could find and I couldn't find any info on it except for one mention of using a bolt to get it out. They said it was 12-24 thread, and of course I didn't have one, I had up to 10-24 or 10-32, then 1/4-20 and 1/4-28, so off to the parts store after work today.

I was looking for why it didn't work, I removed some of the guts and the piston was frozen in the bore, tapped it out with a big punch and found this:

View media item 68120
Hard to see, but it is really badly pitted so I'm now stuck with having to install a new one, it is on order and will be here in a week or so. When removing the MC the line out of it wouldn't come loose, so naturally the copper line twisted off. This turned out to be a blessing as I didn't spill any fluid.

If you caught that I did say copper, for some reason the lines from the MC to the booster and from the booster to the main lines under the car are copper with the rest being steel of some type. I made a new one before work today and will install it with the new MC when it arrives then re-bleed everything again and try it once more:
View media item 68123
Getting close to driving this thing again! Woo Hoo
JB

 

[jbmatth]

Now you need a small grass airstrip and a J3 Cub! Looks great!

Outlaw,
I have a 660' (200 m)strip on the side of the shop I'm standing in for the picture, pretty flat and about 80' (24 m)wide, will that do? Sadly I have no plane but a friend at work is buying one for his pre-retirement gift to himself. If that isn't enough I could take down part of a fence and have a 1320' (400 m) runway. Come to think of it if It were paved I could have an 1/8 mile drag strip with and 1/8 mile runoff. Hmmmmmm, where did I leave that winning loto ticket?
JB

 

[krcoomer]

You have more than a few hours in Herb's hearse. I wonder if copper was used at the time due to economics or technology issues. Perhaps today's copper is inferior to what was produced 70 years ago or perhaps the steel at the time was inferior to that era's copper. Looks like you went back with steel either way.

 

[jbmatth]

You have more than a few hours in Herb's hearse. I wonder if copper was used at the time due to economics or technology issues. Perhaps today's copper is inferior to what was produced 70 years ago or perhaps the steel at the time was inferior to that era's copper. Looks like you went back with steel either way.

krcoomer,
It is hard for me to say what the reasoning was for the copper, but from what I can tell the only copper was likely put in by the company that converted the car from a Sedan Delivery to a Hearse. The way the brake lines run I would guess the brake booster was installed post production but can't say for certain. I would guess copper was, and still is easier to work with. Being that this car was built right after WW2 I would think copper was still a bit of a rarity but I am not familiar with the supply and demand of metals at that time. I did go back with steel lines because it is what I had on hand from the other brake lines I've made for it. By the way I don't remember seeing you post before, in that case welcome to the thread!
JB

 

[OutlawDrifter]

Outlaw,
I have a 660' (200 m)strip on the side of the shop I'm standing in for the picture, pretty flat and about 80' (24 m)wide, will that do? Sadly I have no plane but a friend at work is buying one for his pre-retirement gift to himself. If that isn't enough I could take down part of a fence and have a 1320' (400 m) runway. Come to think of it if It were paved I could have an 1/8 mile drag strip with and 1/8 mile runoff. Hmmmmmm, where did I leave that winning loto ticket?
JB

I'd bring the Z28 down for the Warthog Annual 1/8 drags!

660' for a cub should be plenty. My granddad had a Super Cub that could get airborne in less than 100' in the right conditions. It would float the tail wheel at full throttle with the brakes on.

 

[BUGTHUG]

Is only one end of the brake line have a thread on it? I wonder if you could take a flat piece of metal and cut a notch out that would fit on the weird thing in the mc?
I do have a Sears analyzer/dwell meter and timing light setup that I got for my birthday, from my starter wife, back in 1980. Still in its OG box. I'm sure it has everything you need for the ole hearse

 

[krcoomer]

krcoomer,
It is hard for me to say what the reasoning was for the copper, but from what I can tell the only copper was likely put in by the company that converted the car from a Sedan Delivery to a Hearse. The way the brake lines run I would guess the brake booster was installed post production but can't say for certain. I would guess copper was, and still is easier to work with. Being that this car was built right after WW2 I would think copper was still a bit of a rarity but I am not familiar with the supply and demand of metals at that time. I did go back with steel lines because it is what I had on hand from the other brake lines I've made for it. By the way I don't remember seeing you post before, in that case welcome to the thread!
JB

Not sure if I have posted or not, but I have read through your trials and travails with the shop, ZX-2's and Herb's hearse. Have swapped a couple of ZX-2 engines out and don't really look forward to doing it again. It is a GREAT time to replace water pump and timing belt while the engine is out though.

I am sure copper is and was easier to work with, but I don't think the durability is there for my own peace of mind on a hard stop. Not sure what Herb is planning to do with the hearse, but stopping is usually a part of the plan.

On another note, there was a guy here who used an old hearse for his hubcap business years ago. When he died his own hearse was used to haul him to the cemetery.

 

[jbmatth]

I'd bring the Z28 down for the Warthog Annual 1/8 drags!

660' for a cub should be plenty. My granddad had a Super Cub that could get airborne in less than 100' in the right conditions. It would float the tail wheel at full throttle with the brakes on.

Outlaw,
Deal, if I build the drag strip everyone here will be invited. Speaking of which there is an eighth mile track for sale somewhat near where I grew up in Dyersburg, Tn. for $115,000. I have a few friends that are thinking about buying it but most likely are just dreaming. If I lived within an hour or so of there I'd jump on that deal. Here is a link if anyone is interested:
1/8th Mile Dragstrip for $115,000

If you get a plane come on down for a visit, I'll have it prepped for you.

Is only one end of the brake line have a thread on it? I wonder if you could take a flat piece of metal and cut a notch out that would fit on the weird thing in the mc?
I do have a Sears analyzer/dwell meter and timing light setup that I got for my birthday, from my starter wife, back in 1980. Still in its OG box. I'm sure it has everything you need for the ole hearse

Herb,
Good eye, yes only one end does have the end on it, I ran out of time before leaving to put the nut and flare on, it is cut to length now so hopefully I don't forget the nut this time like I did on the other end. I picked up a 12-24 machine screw and tap at lunch today so I'll try that first, wish me luck.

Bring it on by, I'm sure we can figure out how to use it. You do still have the instruction manual don't you? lol

Not sure if I have posted or not, but I have read through your trials and travails with the shop, ZX-2's and Herb's hearse. Have swapped a couple of ZX-2 engines out and don't really look forward to doing it again. It is a GREAT time to replace water pump and timing belt while the engine is out though.

I am sure copper is and was easier to work with, but I don't think the durability is there for my own peace of mind on a hard stop. Not sure what Herb is planning to do with the hearse, but stopping is usually a part of the plan.

On another note, there was a guy here who used an old hearse for his hubcap business years ago. When he died his own hearse was used to haul him to the cemetery.

krcoomer,
I searched my records and don't have you on the list so thanks for commenting, now don't be so quiet. The ZX-2 engine really wasn't that hard to swap out, and I'd do 10 of those before I'd ever want to swap out the duramax engine in my truck, that just scares the **** out of me thinking about having to do that eventually, both work and money. I didn't replace either of them when I installed the new engine in the Lemon but it only had 45,000 miles on it I believe. Now it is parked while I drive the Green Dragon 90% of the time and my truck the other 10%. I've only driven the Lemon once in the last 6 months or so. Eventually I want to do some crazy stuff with it and the 4 cylinder is nowhere in those plans.

If Herb wants me to I'll replace the other copper line but it seams to be in pretty good shape all in all. Before he gets it back I will want to take it for a test drive and make sure everything works as it should. Speaking of which the E-Brake works great, Woo Hoo.

If this were my hearse I think I'd make it into a family cruiser, AC, back seat with lots of room between it and the dividing wall so I could install a big TV for the girls to watch while I drive. Maybe a little more power too, more power is always welcome, oh yeah and disk brakes.
JB

 

[oldironfarmer]

That 216 in the hearse just looks like home to me. Don't over rev it, the splash oiling systems for the rods will create foam and the rods don't get enough oil with the air in the oil.

The copper lines on the car are all a shade tree mechanic addition. Never recommended for brakes or fuel but it is hard to argue with success.

Why does the plug have to come out? Is the pivot worn?

They key switch that confused you has another feature you may not have noticed. With the little tail hanging down vertically you may remove the key and still move it to the right (counter clockwise) to run and back to center for off. If you should want to lock the ignition (who does that?) you move the tail to the left and have to have the key to get it back to the center. I can't remember whether you have to have the key to lock it.

Wish I lived closer, that would be a piece of cake to work on.

 

[mybigwarwagon]

Building looks great in the new pics.

Can I bring my super slow work truck down for the Warthog Drags. It should only take a hour or so for it to make a pass.

 

[Grumblebum]

You can stencil W.H.H.H on the roof of the WHHH now like they do on hanger roofs etc.

Looks good. Can't help with the hearse so I'll just watch what you do.

GB.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Did I read that right? $1,800? Or less? Now I'm interested! If you would PM me his contact information I would appreciate it.

 

[jbmatth]

That 216 in the hearse just looks like home to me. Don't over rev it, the splash oiling systems for the rods will create foam and the rods don't get enough oil with the air in the oil.

The copper lines on the car are all a shade tree mechanic addition. Never recommended for brakes or fuel but it is hard to argue with success.

Why does the plug have to come out? Is the pivot worn?

They key switch that confused you has another feature you may not have noticed. With the little tail hanging down vertically you may remove the key and still move it to the right (counter clockwise) to run and back to center for off. If you should want to lock the ignition (who does that?) you move the tail to the left and have to have the key to get it back to the center. I can't remember whether you have to have the key to lock it.

Wish I lived closer, that would be a piece of cake to work on.

Andy,
It is all a learning experience to me, but one I'm becoming more comfortable with the more I work on it. I hope I haven't over rev'd the engine, but I also don't know what the engine is idling at as it doesn't have a tach. I need to get more tools to play with so I can check things like that easier. If requested I can change the copper brake line to steel but have tried to avoid replacing anything that didn't need it just because. However, brakes are very important and isn't something I'd want to go out. Especially since this is a single reservoir master cylinder, one line goes you have nothing but the E-brake.

The plug did have to come out because I need to remove the pedal arms so I can install them on the new MC. The threads are in fact 12-24, the good news is I now have a 12-24 tap and machine screw, the bad news is the machine screw is now worthless as I destroyed it trying to get the plug out. I did manage to remove it after threading it in and using a pair of Knipex pliers and a 5/8" box end wrench to pry up on it. I was worried it wasn't going to come out but using the two lever arms I was able to pull it more or less straight out.

The key switch did confuse me for a while but it is now clear as mud, thanks to your explanation.

Building looks great in the new pics.

Can I bring my super slow work truck down for the Warthog Drags. It should only take a hour or so for it to make a pass.

War Wagon,
Sounds good to me, I'll let you all know when it is complete. That would be a fun class of racing, slowest car wins with the pedal to the floor.

You can stencil W.H.H.H on the roof of the WHHH now like they do on hanger roofs etc.

Looks good. Can't help with the hearse so I'll just watch what you do.

GB.

GB,
I've considered doing something like that but don't know what to put on the roof. Maybe Welcome to Alabama, or a big Cobra emblem, I'm having a tough time coming up with something fun to put, give me ideas.

Did I read that right? $1,800? Or less? Now I'm interested! If you would PM me his contact information I would appreciate it.

Andy,
I'll get the information sent over to you shorty. However, I did still have a few small leaks when it rained last night so it wasn't a 100% fix. It wasn't a really hard rain so I don't know how much better it actually is. If nothing else it is all shiny and I like shiny things just like the raccoon that steals my new dimes I leave around. That is another story though.

All,
As mentioned above I did get the plug out of the MC and completed the brake line and installed it. I'll now blast and paint the parts removed so they can go in looking nice.

Have a great one,
JB

 

[jbmatth]

I began working on blasting and painting the pedals and a few of the other parts this morning until it got too cold for my hands. I also made a video to help show how the pedals are removed linked below:

1948 Chevy Sedan Master Cylinder Pedal Removal
I'm really getting excited about getting this car on the road, I'll take some more video of it running and driving once we get to that point so I can share it with everyone.
JB

 

[oldironfarmer]

Cameras: I find my phone does as good a my Canon EOS-60D unless I want to zoom in with a big lens or get a light-adjusted shot like for a sunrise. So my good camera rests a lot.

 

[shopnut]

The roof looks great! Here's to a (semi) dry interior Hoping for the best in a heavy rain!

 

[jp828108]

Been working on catching up and learning about all of your adventures for a few days. I can't remember where, but another post I was following linked me to several more to follow. And your post has linked me to yet at least several more builds to follow and catch up on. Hopefully the weather improves here in Ohio soon, and I can get out into my place and start a thread of my own. Thanks for the great stories and I hope the updates continue coming.

 

[jbmatth]

Cameras: I find my phone does as good a my Canon EOS-60D unless I want to zoom in with a big lens or get a light-adjusted shot like for a sunrise. So my good camera rests a lot.

I'm beginning to notice that, it seems to do better in low light shots compared to my phone but doesn't fit in some of the places I need a lot light shot so go figure. I've heard and seen great photos from the new Galaxy phones, and if I buy a used one on The Bay I hear they double as hand grenades.

The roof looks great! Here's to a (semi) dry interior Hoping for the best in a heavy rain!

Thank you shopnut, we shall see but heavy rains are usually of no use to anyone even the farmers, I'll take a long steady rain over a storm any day. But I live in Oklahoma so we will see how that works out for me. Back at you!

Been working on catching up and learning about all of your adventures for a few days. I can't remember where, but another post I was following linked me to several more to follow. And your post has linked me to yet at least several more builds to follow and catch up on. Hopefully the weather improves here in Ohio soon, and I can get out into my place and start a thread of my own. Thanks for the great stories and I hope the updates continue coming.

Jp,
Glad you could join us, I replied to your PM on the sockets, let me know if you are still interested I can look after work. I was the same way with threads when I first started reading on the GJ, I wish I could say it has stopped but it hasn't. Luckily I was able to get in early on the threads like Andy's and the Lone Beach Garage or I'd never be able to catch up. You don't have to wait for the weather to improve to start a thread, take a few dozen photos in the cold then come back into the warmth and type away. Just do me a favor and share a link here so I can get in on the action from the beginning.

All,
I received word today I'll be doing a "special assignment" for "2 weeks". The last time that happened I was gone for 9 months lol. I'll still be in the same plant and working days, but those days are likely to be very long, kinda like today where I'm going on 12 hours now with a few more to go. I'll keep getting stuff done hopefully at least.
JB

 

[Mike.ASC]

JB, My curiosity compels me to ask what kind of work do you do. If I'm being too nosey just ignore my question. Glad your getting your shop tightened up, I'm sure it helps.

 

[oldironfarmer]

JB, My curiosity compels me to ask what kind of work do you do. If I'm being too nosey just ignore my question. Glad your getting your shop tightened up, I'm sure it helps.

I know but I'm not telling. It's pretty embarrassing. But JB is a tough nut, he'll probably own up to it. If he tells you he's a piano player in a bawdy hose just smile and nod.

Galaxy phones are not to be used for hand grenades, but they make great blasting caps and general ignitors. I understand they have found a huge market for them in the Middle East...

 

[Mike.ASC]

I know but I'm not telling. It's pretty embarrassing. But JB is a tough nut, he'll probably own up to it. If he tells you he's a piano player in a bawdy hose just smile and nod.

Galaxy phones are not to be used for hand grenades, but they make great blasting caps and general ignitors. I understand they have found a huge market for them in the Middle East...

I'm figuring he's a COE of some top secret company

 

[jbmatth]

JB, My curiosity compels me to ask what kind of work do you do. If I'm being too nosey just ignore my question. Glad your getting your shop tightened up, I'm sure it helps.

Mike, not a problem at all I don't mind sharing, I mean I've told y'all some of my dumb mistakes so I might as well tell you that. In my previous life I was a professional Cheer Leader in the Canadian Football League, I was the pitt boss. What stop laughing I really was. Okay fine, I'm a mechanical engineer working in an oil refinery. Not technical by any means compared to what I expected while going to college, nor my dream job, but the pay is pretty good and I get a check twice a month so I'll keep doing it. I work 50-60 hours a week normally so I don't have much free time however it helps with family life that I start at 6am by choice so I can leave by 4-6 pm most days or 3 on slow fridays.

I know but I'm not telling. It's pretty embarrassing. But JB is a tough nut, he'll probably own up to it. If he tells you he's a piano player in a bawdy hose just smile and nod.

Galaxy phones are not to be used for hand grenades, but they make great blasting caps and general ignitors. I understand they have found a huge market for them in the Middle East...

Andy, you thought I was going to fib didn't you, I'll have you know I once did a standing back tuck almost. I landed on my face and it really hurt. Luckily it didn't hurt my memory didn't hurt my memory but did give me a slight studder slight studder even when typing. Luckily spell check catches that usually. Lol
JB

 

[Mike.ASC]

JB, Thanks for the reply. For some reason I suspected you had something to do in the oil industry

 

[Mike.ASC]

I know but I'm not telling. It's pretty embarrassing. But JB is a tough nut, he'll probably own up to it. If he tells you he's a piano player in a bawdy hose just smile and nod.

Galaxy phones are not to be used for hand grenades, but they make great blasting caps and general ignitors. I understand they have found a huge market for them in the Middle East...

Thanks for the comedy. I suspect you guys are local to each other and friends

 

[jp828108]

[QUOTEJp,
Glad you could join us, I replied to your PM on the sockets, let me know if you are still interested I can look after work. I was the same way with threads when I first started reading on the GJ, I wish I could say it has stopped but it hasn't. Luckily I was able to get in early on the threads like Andy's and the Lone Beach Garage or I'd never be able to catch up. You don't have to wait for the weather to improve to start a thread, take a few dozen photos in the cold then come back into the warmth and type away. Just do me a favor and share a link here so I can get in on the action from the beginning.
[/QUOTE]

JB Thanks for looking into the sockets for me. You convinced me to make the plunge and start a thread. I imagine I am rambling a bit at this point in my first few posts. It's overwhelming to decide where to even start. So I just jumped in and started uploading and typing about the photos I have taken since moving in almost 2 years ago.

Here is a link If you want to stop by and see what I have gotten put up so far.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=353310

 

[oldironfarmer]

Thanks for the comedy. I suspect you guys are local to each other and friends

I have had about the same job as JB (different place, different time) but I didn't last. Got promoted to my level of incompetency then they thought I might like to meet new people and piss other people off. So I did.

Although I have done work in his refinery and worked for his company, we only met through Garage Journal and he was kind enough to bring me some prime scrap aluminum for my foundry fetish (and haul off a junk wood stove to boot!).

When you finally meet someone you have become acquainted with on GJ you are already friends.

 

[jbmatth]

I'm figuring he's a COE of some top secret company

JB, Thanks for the reply. For some reason I suspected you had something to do in the oil industry

Thanks for the comedy. I suspect you guys are local to each other and friends

Mike,
I may just be the CEO of a company, but that would be Warthog Inc. The problem is the boss is a real jerk and doesn't pay me enough, but his expectations are really low so at least I don't disappoint him. Andy and I are local to each other in the grand scheme of things, he is about 2 hours from me and has held similar roles in the past in the oil industry that I have. He was also kind enough to exchange some precious metals for the wood stove. I had thought I'd mentioned previously that I worked in oil but I've forgotten half of the things I have shared here. Good news is I didn't forget what I had for breakfast, a piece of pizza, some sesame chicken, and a breakfast burrito. I think I'll skip lunch.

JB Thanks for looking into the sockets for me. You convinced me to make the plunge and start a thread. I imagine I am rambling a bit at this point in my first few posts. It's overwhelming to decide where to even start. So I just jumped in and started uploading and typing about the photos I have taken since moving in almost 2 years ago.

Here is a link If you want to stop by and see what I have gotten put up so far.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=353310

JP,
Woo Hoo I'm an enabler, you are hooked now and can't ever leave. I'll try to check it out today and let you know when I do. Also being new I don't know if you are familiar with the subscribe feature but it works wonders for keeping up with your own thread.


All,
I managed to get the parts blasted completely this morning and the first coat of primer on it all. I should have them ready to bolt back on when the master cylinder gets here Monday.
JB

 

[jbmatth]

I have had about the same job as JB (different place, different time) but I didn't last. Got promoted to my level of incompetency then they thought I might like to meet new people and piss other people off. So I did.

Although I have done work in his refinery and worked for his company, we only met through Garage Journal and he was kind enough to bring me some prime scrap aluminum for my foundry fetish (and haul off a junk wood stove to boot!).

When you finally meet someone you have become acquainted with on GJ you are already friends.

I would have replied faster but managed to get caught up with some work related stuff as it typically goes. Just as Andy said though it is great to get to meet fellow GJ members with similar interest and hobby's and is just a benefit we can talk about our war stories in the industry if only separated by a generation. Your comment in your thread about Hastalloy C276 being overkill made me think of something we have faced here. An HF vaporizer bundle leads a hard life and even C276 would only get us about 18 months run time, with a cost about 15 times the equivalent of steel we replace them often. We even tried a Hastalloy C2000 that was REALLY expensive for some test tubes and would have only gotten 4 years out of that. Sorry for most that will not follow that story but that acid is some evil evil stuff. Well smoke break is over so back at it.

JB

 

[krcoomer]

I had thought I'd mentioned previously that I worked in oil but I've forgotten half of the things I have shared here. Good news is I didn't forget what I had for breakfast, a piece of pizza, some sesame chicken, and a breakfast burrito. I think I'll skip lunch.

I am sure you mentioned that you have worked in oil, but bearing in mind the photo of the oil from the diesel on your face you forgot to mention working in the fashion and beauty supply industries also.....

BTW, that would make a great profile pic.

Better get back to work myself.

 

[Finallygotit]

WHEW!!! WOW!! Finally caught up and subscribed.

You are one busy guy JB!

 

[oldironfarmer]

I would have replied faster but managed to get caught up with some work related stuff as it typically goes. Just as Andy said though it is great to get to meet fellow GJ members with similar interest and hobby's and is just a benefit we can talk about our war stories in the industry if only separated by a generation. Your comment in your thread about Hastalloy C276 being overkill made me think of something we have faced here. An HF vaporizer bundle leads a hard life and even C276 would only get us about 18 months run time, with a cost about 15 times the equivalent of steel we replace them often. We even tried a Hastalloy C2000 that was REALLY expensive for some test tubes and would have only gotten 4 years out of that. Sorry for most that will not follow that story but that acid is some evil evil stuff. Well smoke break is over so back at it.

JB

Sometimes thicker sacrificial carbon steel (PWHT) is the way to go, with regular replacement. Just like in car exhausts.

 

[rmack898]

Sometimes thicker sacrificial carbon steel (PWHT) is the way to go, with regular replacement. Just like in car exhausts.

I vaguely remember a time in my youth working 6 tens on a turn around in a refinery putting 10 ton stainless steel cyclones on the overhead of the main cracker, 18 months later, we did it again. I guess playing with dead dinosaurs is a tuff business.

 

[oldironfarmer]

I vaguely remember a time in my youth working 6 tens on a turn around in a refinery putting 10 ton stainless steel cyclones on the overhead of the main cracker, 18 months later, we did it again. I guess playing with dead dinosaurs is a tuff business.

Those ten ton cyclones have a one ton dust pot at the bottom. I'll post a picture of my dust pot tomorrow. 310SS 1/2" thick with AA22 refractory in stainless hex mesh. Junk man would not take it, so I hauled it home to make a burn barrel which would last easily 1,000 years. I have not put it in service yet. Little project to come.

 

[rmack898]

Andy,
it's been many years but it I think the wall thickness on those cyclones was 3/4". It took us 10 hours to get the first one up and tacked in place, after that we were doing 2 per shift. It wasn't fun hanging off the ceiling 10 stories up playing with heavy metal things but we got paid well so I guess it was worth it.

 

[jbmatth]

I am sure you mentioned that you have worked in oil, but bearing in mind the photo of the oil from the diesel on your face you forgot to mention working in the fashion and beauty supply industries also.....

BTW, that would make a great profile pic.

Better get back to work myself.

krcoomer,
What doesn't it look like my glamour shot? I work really hard to keep up my stylish look, I mean I spend nearly $15 or even $20 a year on new clothing, usually socks and underwear but I won't show those glamour shots, you are welcome.

WHEW!!! WOW!! Finally caught up and subscribed.

You are one busy guy JB!

Glad you were able to get caught up, it was tough only having one cobra owner here. So when are you going to come for a visit in your car?

Sometimes thicker sacrificial carbon steel (PWHT) is the way to go, with regular replacement. Just like in car exhausts.

Sacrificial is the way to go sometimes, it just stinks we can't upgrade to something that will last a TA cycle.

I vaguely remember a time in my youth working 6 tens on a turn around in a refinery putting 10 ton stainless steel cyclones on the overhead of the main cracker, 18 months later, we did it again. I guess playing with dead dinosaurs is a tuff business.

Those ten ton cyclones have a one ton dust pot at the bottom. I'll post a picture of my dust pot tomorrow. 310SS 1/2" thick with AA22 refractory in stainless hex mesh. Junk man would not take it, so I hauled it home to make a burn barrel which would last easily 1,000 years. I have not put it in service yet. Little project to come.

Andy,
it's been many years but it I think the wall thickness on those cyclones was 3/4". It took us 10 hours to get the first one up and tacked in place, after that we were doing 2 per shift. It wasn't fun hanging off the ceiling 10 stories up playing with heavy metal things but we got paid well so I guess it was worth it.

I have only worked close to cyclones once, turns out I was one of the few that was small enough to get into ours and verify all of the refractory was actually in place like the contractor said it was. I don't particularly love working TA's but at the same time I do, the 13-14's get old though. (13 out of 14 days at 14 hours a day.) Andy, that sounds like a great burn barrel, which reminds me I need to dump mine out and send it in for scrap. It only lasted a year and it is d-u-n done.

JB