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.035 is great for structural work. When it comes time for exhaust and sheet metal I like to use .030 and .023. Most of the time I get lazy and just do .030 for everything, however!
 
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Congratulations on getting into MIG. I started out with 0.035 but am going to try 0.023 when I run out.

Could JB weld with JB weld JB?

Andy,
I was sure surprised when I made my first pass with the gas on. :bounce: It made even me look like a good welder. After a bit of practice here is one of the old frame to new frame welds:
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I feel like I could pass as a welder at times, but every other weld or so it became clear even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then. :lol:

JB, you won't know your self using a shield gas with your MIG in preference to the flux core.

Personally I have never been a big fan of flux core.

Regards

1/2,
I'm definitely becoming a fan, no scratch that, I am a fan of MIG over flux core, I just feel bad I have a mostly unused roll of it that I probably won't use anytime soon.

.035 is great for structural work. When it comes time for exhaust and sheet metal I like to use .030 and .023. Most of the time I get lazy and just do .030 for everything, however!

Outlaw,
That is where I am at, I am using the .035 to reduce my needed wire speed for the amount of filler needed on thicker metal. Once I get to thin sheet metal work I'll buy a roll of .023 wire. I'll work on an update for what I was able to get done this weekend shortly, I made some good progress.

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I had a bit of time this weekend to get some progress in so I started off with some CAD work to make sure what I cut will be right the first time:
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I did have to do some measuring and mitering on the front section but eventually I had everything in line, tacked up and ready to weld out (Note, tacks were with the flux core):
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There was plenty of fitting, measuring, cutting, welding, grinding, welding, and more grinding but I made it to this point:
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I even have the core support mount installed and ready to go. Now I'm working to install the cross member, and that will be another fiddley job:
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Once that is fitted and partially welded I'll make up the remaining "fish plates", flip the frame and finish weld everything I've started so far. I have to run but that about sums it up for now.

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JB,

Just finished reading your whole thread, took me a couple weeks after work but enjoyed every bit.

I admire your work ethic, grafting hard at home while working long hours @ the refinery. Taking on everything with gusto, working within a budget but high end achievement nevertheless. :bowdown:

You have a lovely Warthog hidey hole, looking forward reading up on all your future projects! :thumbup:

Also and most importantly in my book you got a lovely family to top it all off, as some have said before treasure every moment with your daughters because they will be grown up before you know it.

Cheers,

Johan

Ps If I'm ever on your neck of the woods I would love to visit.
 
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JB,

Just finished reading your whole thread, took me a couple weeks after work but enjoyed every bit.

I admire your work ethic, grafting hard at home while working long hours @ the refinery. Taking on everything with gusto, working within a budget but high end achievement nevertheless. :bowdown:

You have a lovely Warthog hidey hole, looking forward reading up on all your future projects! :thumbup:

Also and most importantly in my book you got a lovely family to top it all off, as some have said before treasure every moment with your daughters because they will be grown up before you know it.

Cheers,

Johan

Ps If I'm ever on your neck of the woods I would love to visit.

Johan,
Thank you so much for the kind words, it still truely amazes me people will read all the junk I spew out on this thread, but I appreciate it nonetheless. :bowdown:

I'd be happy to have a visitor, where are you located, you can change some settings so a location will show under you name.

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......I am a fan of MIG over flux core, I just feel bad I have a mostly unused roll of it that I probably won't use anytime soon.......

JB,
That flux core welder could come in handy if you have to weld something in a windy environment. Other than that, it will probably collect dust somewhere in a corner.

YMMV

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Andy,
I was sure surprised when I made my first pass with the gas on. :bounce: It made even me look like a good welder. After a bit of practice here is one of the old frame to new frame welds:
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JB

Looking good, JB.

JB and I had a nice conversation about MIG. He indicated he was going to inspect the back side of this weld to verify it has full penetration. I've had some marginal experiences with MIG many years ago on structural welding so I'm cautious when it comes to important welds.. It is very important when welding frames that you know you have full weld penetration. JB knows this and is working toward making sure his welds are good all the way through.
 

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JB,

projects are looking great. I always enjoy seeing your updates, but I'm not sure where you find the time for it all.
 
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JB,
That flux core welder could come in handy if you have to weld something in a windy environment. Other than that, it will probably collect dust somewhere in a corner.

YMMV

:beer:

Finally,
I have the remaining 9 pounds or so of the roll in a box on the welding cart and will save it for if it is ever needed, no use throwing it away at this point.

Looking good, JB.

JB and I had a nice conversation about MIG. He indicated he was going to inspect the back side of this weld to verify it has full penetration. I've had some marginal experiences with MIG many years ago on structural welding so I'm cautious when it comes to important welds.. It is very important when welding frames that you know you have full weld penetration. JB knows this and is working toward making sure his welds are good all the way through.

Andy,
Thank you so much for the text/call last night, it could have really saved a lot of heartache down the road. As you indicated it is very important to get full penetration when welding in structural steel such as on this frame. I went out last night as I knew I wouldn't sleep a wink if I didn't and had a look:
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The photo didn't turn out very well but I didn't have full penetration on 6 locations from the old frame to the new when I would start a weld, as the bead traveled toward the end of the run the heat built up enough to fully fuse the two pieces as one. I went back in first thing this morning and marked out all of the locations that needed more work, ground them out and re-welded ensuring a consistent full weld that will (hopefully) not crack down the road leaving me in a best case stranded with a broken frame and worse case...well lets not think about that. It just goes to show the best tasting pie is humble pie, wait that isn't how that goes, revenge is a drink best served hot, well you get the idea. So a huge thank you to Andy! :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

JB,

projects are looking great. I always enjoy seeing your updates, but I'm not sure where you find the time for it all.

JP,
Thanks for checking in, it is always nice to hear from you. I had a good run this morning and had about 3 hours to get some progress in, of course that was because I couldn't sleep and was awake at 2, but that is neither here nor there. :headscrat I've come to realize if I want to even have a snowballs chance in Sydney at getting this driving by summer I have to work as often as possible. (Sorry to my friends downunder but apparently you are experiencing a pretty substantial heat wave.)

All,

After making the repairs mentioned above I spent the next hour getting the cross member in place and secure using 2 ratchet straps, 2 C-clamps, and 2 jack stands in a game of what will fall off the table next it was in place and ready to tack in after 200 measurements verifying it was in the right location. Looks good to me:
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I did throw it in the blast cabinet for a few minutes to clean everything off that will be inaccessible once it is all welded in. I'll throw some weld through primer on it after work once it is warmed up a bit.

Keep moving forward (even if that means a step or two back at times),
JB
 

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JB, the frame is looking good.

Just a suggestion, on that thickness of material next time you need to purchase wire, try some .030" ER70-S6. You will love it. Coming from the industrial side of the fence we originally used .035" but I was finding out much of our welding was actually on 5/16" and less. I had switched out from .035" to .030" at my home shop about 15+ years ago now and would never go back to .035" for the material I weld.

I eventually even changed over to .030" at work and in the few occasions we do weld much thicker material I would either brake out the SMAW or do a multi-pass of GMAW (MIG).

In the motorsports industry, the material thicknesses we encounter are much more conducive to using .030" solid wire. The initiation is also much better because the reduced amount of current required. Once the arc is initiated the molten puddle will begin flowing easier and seems to have the toes wet out a bit nicer. Years ago I even got into the habit of snipping the end of the wire with a pair of diagonal cutters that are with me whenever I am MIG welding. I snip the wire at an angle prior to each and every start of a weld. This "fools" the welder into thinking the wire is even smaller and the arc starts much nicer due to the current required. It then boils down to getting your travel speed matched to your voltage and wire speed to ensure the proper amount of weld deposit is being applied. That merely comes from experience and practice as every weldor has their own unique style of welding and the machine should be set accordingly. Also each welder has a uniqueness to them as well, more specifically inductance. Keep a notebook handy and fine tune your machine to "your" style and once you get a setting for a material and joint, write it down for future reference.

As for your frame, you had mentioned you were cutting gussetts for the exterior but I have also used "fish plates" on the interior as well in some applications with rosette (plug welds). Just don't rely solely on **** welds in that application.

Looking forward to your progress JB.
 
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Looking really good!:thumbup:

Thank you Andy, come on back anytime you are feeling lazy and want to kill some time. :evil:

JB, the frame is looking good.

Just a suggestion, on that thickness of material next time you need to purchase wire, try some .030" ER70-S6. You will love it. Coming from the industrial side of the fence we originally used .035" but I was finding out much of our welding was actually on 5/16" and less. I had switched out from .035" to .030" at my home shop about 15+ years ago now and would never go back to .035" for the material I weld.

I eventually even changed over to .030" at work and in the few occasions we do weld much thicker material I would either brake out the SMAW or do a multi-pass of GMAW (MIG).

In the motorsports industry, the material thicknesses we encounter are much more conducive to using .030" solid wire. The initiation is also much better because the reduced amount of current required. Once the arc is initiated the molten puddle will begin flowing easier and seems to have the toes wet out a bit nicer. Years ago I even got into the habit of snipping the end of the wire with a pair of diagonal cutters that are with me whenever I am MIG welding. I snip the wire at an angle prior to each and every start of a weld. This "fools" the welder into thinking the wire is even smaller and the arc starts much nicer due to the current required. It then boils down to getting your travel speed matched to your voltage and wire speed to ensure the proper amount of weld deposit is being applied. That merely comes from experience and practice as every weldor has their own unique style of welding and the machine should be set accordingly. Also each welder has a uniqueness to them as well, more specifically inductance. Keep a notebook handy and fine tune your machine to "your" style and once you get a setting for a material and joint, write it down for future reference.

As for your frame, you had mentioned you were cutting gussetts for the exterior but I have also used "fish plates" on the interior as well in some applications with rosette (plug welds). Just don't rely solely on **** welds in that application.

Looking forward to your progress JB.

Mike,
Thanks for checking in, I've only recently switched over to .035 thinking I wouldn't go through a roll quite so quick. Then when switching to GMAW from FCAW I carried that thinking over. As you've pointed out it may have been flawed thinking. I'll pick up a roll of .030 wire this week and report on how it feels. I don't have anything left to weld thicker than 3/16" for this project so it would be a good time to try it out.

I have a little note app on my phone I've been keeping track of what seems to weld the best but know some tweaking is in order as I become a better or more in-tuned welder.

Thank you very much for the advise and taking the time to give some pointers, at this time I need all I can get.

JB
 

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JB, we've all been there. I don't know a single fabricator/weldor that didn't ask questions or get help somewhere, myself included, so don't beat yourself up. Even as long as I've been welding I don't know it all and continue to learn all the time, as it should be.
 
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JB, we've all been there. I don't know a single fabricator/weldor that didn't ask questions or get help somewhere, myself included, so don't beat yourself up. Even as long as I've been welding I don't know it all and continue to learn all the time, as it should be.

:thumbup: Mike,
I know I continue to learn and try to learn from as many resources as possible, once I feel like I'm ready to jump in I'll start doing whatever it is I've been learning then the experience is all the more valuable.

All,
I spent all morning playing with CAD and think I have the remaining plates for the cross member designed. I transferred them to plate and flat bar:
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I try to use the flat bar when I can as I have plenty and no sense in using up good plate when I don't need it. I have them all cut out now and started to work on trimming them up but ran out of time.

JB
 

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I often use cardboard aided design myself. You're making great progress, and the welds look good.

Both of my girls had to learn "sketch-up" when they were in Jr High. I've wanted them to teach me, and I even tried to learn myself, but I always end up back with my graph paper!
 
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Awesome place!! I'm sure you'll have a great time there.

:thumbup:

G,
Thank you for stopping by, I certainly do have a good time there and really enjoy it and hope to enjoy it for years to come. I would eventually like to have a nice dry, insulated, heated, and cooled shop to work in but that will have to come some time down the road from now.

I often use cardboard aided design myself. You're making great progress, and the welds look good.

Both of my girls had to learn "sketch-up" when they were in Jr High. I've wanted them to teach me, and I even tried to learn myself, but I always end up back with my graph paper!

Thank you Outlaw, in reality cardboard is much quicker for most things that I am doing. If I were to design a full frame or roll cage with no particular body I could go over to the computer side of things. I've used a few different programs in the past with CAD and it really enjoy the work.


All,
Nothing spectacular to report, just lots of cutting, grinding and fitting to get the new filler pieces to be ready to weld in.
JB
 
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I did get a little time to work on P.P.P. again over the weekend, I started off putting the filler pieces on the the cross member and welded them to the cross member:
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I'll finish weld them when I get the welder turned back up to weld 3/16", I also finished trimming and installing the frame braces on the rear of the frame where the bat wings mount:
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They are welded in now but I didn't get a photo of that for some reason. :willy_nil The next order of business was to get the frame flipped over so I could weld everything easier on the bottom. That meant removing the frame from the frame table, pulling it out from under P.P.P., and using a rudimentary system of pulleys and rope (fashioned from the hair of my beard, yes I know I don't have a beard, but I do have a rope now. :)) I suspended the frame from the cherry picker and got if flipped and on jack stands:
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You can see I also installed the little triangle pieces at the back of the new front frame section if you look close enough. This morning was all about welding and grinding to get it closer to completely welded out. I "think" the last parts to make are the fish plates or frame braces for the old to new on the frame. Woo Hoo, getting close to putting the suspension under it for the first time ever!

As a side note I did a quick youtube video overview of the project if anyone is interested in viewing it, don't worry my face is never shown to protect the innocent. :)
Project Pinky Pi Overview (Part 1)


JB
 
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Thank you 1/2 and Shorty, I've wanted to do a series of videos on the project but kept forgetting until I got to this point. I don't really have time to edit them so I go at it in a one take fashion. I'll try to post them more regularly in the future.

All,
I spent all morning making the fish plates for the front of the frame, they are all cut out and mostly trimmed up. I still have to drill a ton of holes for rosette welds, hopefully in a couple of days they will be all welded in. By this weekend I hope to install the suspension on the frame for the first time.
Fingers crossed,
JB
 

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good to see your making great progress! just a suggestion to you for your joints widen the gap and put some 1/2 wide backers in one section of the tube tack them in . then slide the two halves together with a 1/8 gap between them with the backer behind them assures you will have full penetration and you can even grind your welds down flush if you use this technique.keep up the great work it will be on the road in no time!
 
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good to see your making great progress! just a suggestion to you for your joints widen the gap and put some 1/2 wide backers in one section of the tube tack them in . then slide the two halves together with a 1/8 gap between them with the backer behind them assures you will have full penetration and you can even grind your welds down flush if you use this technique.keep up the great work it will be on the road in no time!

Eric,
That is a great suggestion and one I'd never thought of. I have already welded everything up now and won't be able to implement it on this build but will keep it in mind for the next one. I hope to see some updates on your thread but have been keeping up with you on FB.


Looks like good progress.

Thank you War Wagon, I've had to slow down the past couple of days, I'm fighting a cold that just doesn't want to go away so I've been sleeping in to help out.

All,
I wanted to give everyone a heads up, I was presented with an "opportunity" to help out another plant with their turnaround from Feb. 12th to April 6th. That means I will not be around The Warthog Hidey Hole for that time period. :( It really throws a wrench in my plans for working on this car and having something to drive other than the cobra for the Hot Rod Power Tour this summer. I'm still working on P.P.P. but need to weigh my options on where to go from here.

JB
 

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Sounds like an opportunity to work long hours, travel to see the country (another refinery) and eat at new places. Hope it goes well.

I understand that to mean that work will still proceed on P.P.P. but at a slower pace. That you may look for something else to do the Power Tour in.

Get to feeling better, the weather looks to warm up again.

Dwight
 
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Sounds like an opportunity to work long hours, travel to see the country (another refinery) and eat at new places. Hope it goes well.

I understand that to mean that work will still proceed on P.P.P. but at a slower pace. That you may look for something else to do the Power Tour in.

Get to feeling better, the weather looks to warm up again.

Dwight

Dwight,
I will work plenty of hours, and luckily my meals are paid so I may venture out to some new eateries. I'm sure I'll venture down the road to Amarillo a time or two. Maybe I should try The Big Texan again, it wasn't too bad last time. While I'm gone there will be no work on P.P.P., other than maybe ordering a few parts.

As for a different ride for the HRPT, I'm certain I can't get P.P.P. done in time so I've decided to try to get the S10 swapped out and get the 6.0L in it and running. :3gears: I've ordered a ton of parts and have just about everything on order I'll need to complete the swap, including the tuning software, I have lots of boxes to show off in the next few days. Now I just need a name for it, please no My Little Pony names this time. :)
JB

Just look out for #1.

:beer:

Will do Finally, but I try to avoid the mirror especially in the morning. :eyecrazy:

Heal that cold up! Fuzzy heads are more apt to make mistakes in the WHH!

Isn't that the truth, I broke an 1/8" (3.175mm) drill bit this morning, and ruined another bit before realizing a fragment was still in the partially drilled hole. After 30 minutes of fighting that and trying to get a left handed drill bit to sharpen in the Drill Dr. :dunno:, the die grinder fixed all my problems.

On another note, I have HP Tuners now and plan to spend some free time while traveling learning how to use it. Wish me luck and have a good one Outlaw,
JB

Hope it's Lake Charles and not Billings!:evil:

Think of all your overtime!!:beer::beer:

You know if I could tag along we'd knock 'em dead.

Andy,
You split the difference with both of your guesses, think the panhandle of Texas. I was told there is a beautiful woman behind every tree, but there are no trees. :beer:

Overtime pay will be nice...I mean would be nice, I'll get a few extra vacation days out of it at least. If you get bored come on down and be our comic relief, I mean motivational speaker.

JB
 

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JB, HP tuners is definitely the one I would pick, and it's what my tuner uses. I need to pony up and buy it myself, tough to do when my guy does such a bang up job though...

I have wanted an LS swapped S10, technically that's what my '49 is, just with "antique" sheet metal. I'll be looking forward to the progress!
 

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I spent most of last week dodging rain storms and trying to work on everyone's car ( and my truck) while attempting to not drown in mud. I envy the Hideyhole really bad.
 
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JB, HP tuners is definitely the one I would pick, and it's what my tuner uses. I need to pony up and buy it myself, tough to do when my guy does such a bang up job though...

I have wanted an LS swapped S10, technically that's what my '49 is, just with "antique" sheet metal. I'll be looking forward to the progress!

Luckily I haven't every paid anyone to do a tune for me to date on an LS so I figure if I get it now I'll be forced to learn or I would have wasted a ton of money just to send it off to have it tuned. I've wanted a V8 swapped S10 since I was in high school and had an extended cab '84 with the sad 2.8l V6. I didn't have the skill or knowledge to pull it off then but think I might be able to make it happen now. My plan is to get the suspension under P.P.P. then move it back over to the lean two then start pulling engines before I leave. I'll take the wiring harness with me to Texas and try to work on that in my down time. Should be fun if nothing else.

I spent most of last week dodging rain storms and trying to work on everyone's car ( and my truck) while attempting to not drown in mud. I envy the Hideyhole really bad.

Sorry to hear about the mud dodging, as much as I hate to say it we could really use some rain. We really haven't gotten any since early September. Good luck getting everything together and running again.

PS, I just saw your youtube channel and the disclaimer has me hooked, I'll check out the videos tonight when I get home.

JB
 

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Not sure I've ever been in the Refinery. Spent a lot of time in both the crude pipeline terminal and the products terminal (Rocky Station). I did do the plan for blending WCS with WTI.

I envy your time there, nothing makes you like home more than time in Borger...
 
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Andy,
I will most certainly come to the realization I have it much better than it could be while in Borger. But who knows I may really like it and decide to move my family out there, they might not go, but I can still move all of their stuff out there. :)
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Sorry to hear about the mud dodging, as much as I hate to say it we could really use some rain. We really haven't gotten any since early September. Good luck getting everything together and running again.

PS, I just saw your youtube channel and the disclaimer has me hooked, I'll check out the videos tonight when I get home.

JB


We just had 6 inches of snow on Wednesday. It is 50 today. It is melting faster than the ground can absorb it. IT is a morass of red clay outside.


I haven't posted any good videos in a while. After my back surgery last year things kind of slowed down. That and my stunt driver ( oldest son) moved back to AZ with his mom. My back isn't up to crashing things, and I have found it hard to use one hand and video with the other anymore. That is, IF I can get it back from my 6 year old who is using it as a tent frame under blankets in his bedroom. Never a dull moment around here LOL>
 
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Borger has one of the highest ranked school systems in Texas.

Mac, I didn't realize that, but good to know just in case. I do know if I were asked to move there and they made it worth it to me ($$$) I'd be more than happy to. I don't seem to mind living anywhere and can find a way to have a good time wherever I live.

Have you been there?

Lot's of fine people in Borger, but it takes a unique person to want to live there.

Andy,
See above, I know probably 15 people in Borger that I've worked with in the past and would/will enjoy it I think.

We just had 6 inches of snow on Wednesday. It is 50 today. It is melting faster than the ground can absorb it. IT is a morass of red clay outside.


I haven't posted any good videos in a while. After my back surgery last year things kind of slowed down. That and my stunt driver ( oldest son) moved back to AZ with his mom. My back isn't up to crashing things, and I have found it hard to use one hand and video with the other anymore. That is, IF I can get it back from my 6 year old who is using it as a tent frame under blankets in his bedroom. Never a dull moment around here LOL>

War Wagon,
I know we could use the rain, but I've really been enjoying not having to deal with it lately, I don't like playing in the mud anymore. When I was in high school I had a lifted '86 Toyota with a roll bar, brush guard, 33" Thornbird tires, Chevy 4.3 v6 and TH350 trans, it had long tube headers and short glass pack mufflers. Fun truck that took all of my money to keep running but what a blast to get into some mud with!

JB
 
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All,
It was a great weekend, the weather was nice my excitement was high. I did a lot of welding, grinding and smoothing this weekend. I got all of the fish plates installed, fulled welded the seam on the bottom of the frame and decided it was time to flip it back upright. Finished welding everything on the top except the seam, that can come later. Then it was time to install the suspension for the first time, woo hoo exciting:
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It all went together with very little fuss that was a great feeling because I tried to plan ahead for as much as possible but you never know what may crop up. I couldn't think of anything else that needed to be done so I rolled the frame under the body, aligned everything 2,000 times and let it come down:
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There was only one point of interference and that was the 4 link mounts on the rear suspension. I made a clearance hole in the floor under the rear seat and all went well. Yesterday afternoon it warmed up a lot and the girls wanted to get outside to play. Little miss Cat wanted a photo with P.P.P. and she was even wearing her My Little Pony PJ's with Pinky Pie on them:
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I'm in love with this photo, lots to appreciate and be thankful for. I snapped another from the front and it really helps to show what the car will look like:
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Right now the front suspension is at max height and not even beginning to compress, hopefully when the engine is installed it'll come down quite a bit and sit more level. I have a hard time believing the '57 front sheet metal weighs less than the 'Vette did. All in all I'm stoked to have it at this stage right now.

Sadly this is as far as I'm going to take P.P.P. for the time being. I am going to start working on the LIL Blue Truck (one of the girls favorite books that teaches kindness and team work). I have lots of boxes of parts ready to be installed, I have a quick job on my mothers Cobalt and will work on getting the 6.0 pulled and worked over in the coming weeks.

JB
 

Mike.ASC

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Apr 21, 2010
Messages
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Location
East coast
You've been quite busy JB. Juggling multiple projects takes a lot of planning when your a one man operation. Nice work on the frame/suspension retrofit. I just finished a 56 Ford pickup frame retrofitted with a Ford crown vic front suspension and a Lincoln Mk 8 rear suspension.
 
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