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Such a pain, I didn't realize there would be so much of an issue with it. I figured I better order my wheels sooner than later in case they are on backorder for months as well. I ordered a wheel fitment tool this morning as I couldn't find one locally to borrow, tough pill to swallow the cost but I don't have much of a choice if I want to ensure I get the right offset on new rims that are not cheap. Rear tires should be here tomorrow, I'm excited!

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Nice, I am debating stepping up to aluminum wheels on my truck, but the light weight basset racing wheels that i found are making that hard as they are a 15x8(rear) and only weigh 17lbs/ea for a steel wheel.
 
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Nice, I am debating stepping up to aluminum wheels on my truck, but the light weight basset racing wheels that i found are making that hard as they are a 15x8(rear) and only weigh 17lbs/ea for a steel wheel.
I would think you would have plenty of room to go much wider in the rear than just an 8" rim, what is the reasoning on staying that narrow? The ones I'm looking at are 18x11 for the rear and sadly weigh much more than 17lb/ea.

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oh i can go to a 15x12 w/o tubbing i just wont need much more than a 15x8 as i can still fit a 31x10.50x15 on a 15x8. and that is as big a slick as i'll go. The 275/60/15 is a stock tire size so it's easier to keep the speedo correct and I already have my street wheels which are 15x8 et0. So just trying to keep it as similar between street and strip setups.
 
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Understandable on the sizing then @MrPink, I don't plan to race my car at the strip since I'm limited to 14.0 due to no cage in an open top car, so no need for slicks and the 555's should do well enough for me.

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One of the questions asked many times about swapping a 351w to the Godzilla 7.3 is what kind of a weight penalty I'll have going to such a big engine. I didn't want to settle for the answers I could find online and have in the past wanted a way to weigh heavier things on my own without breaking the bathroom scale so I picked up my own 500 kg (1,100 lb) crane scale, zero'd it out with the rigging and this is what it showed:
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From what I've seen online the godzilla weighs 540 lbs (245 kg) as it comes out of the crate vs my 351w at 559.2 lbs (253.7 kg) granted mine has some coolant left in it, the alternator and the flywheel and clutch so not a direct apples to apples comparison but it really doesn't look like I'll have much of a weight penalty at all short of all of the other parts I'm adding that'll be heavier like the headers, computer, wiring, etc. I'll try to get a total weight on them both fully dressed before final install.

I checked the trans as well, the T-5 with oil drained:
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Sadly the 9 didn't show but it was 89.2 lbs (40.47 kg) the TKX I'm using is advertised to weigh 105 lbs (47.64 kg). The total for my current setup is then 648.8 lbs (294.4 kg) vs the Godzilla at 645 lbs (292.6 kg) so right now it looks like a dead heat. :)

Scope creep, I wasn't satisfied with how the wiring was behind the dash when I pulled it, this is what I started with:
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It was using white wire as well as orange to power all of the gauges, red with black strips for the ground on all gauges, and black for positive and negative for all the gauge light wiring, likely because that is the only wire I had available at that time. Also there was one main connector and two other wring terminal grounds to connect, after a couple hours this is what I ended up with:
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Not show quality, but so much better and will only have two connectors to pull the entire dash if needed. Also all of the wiring connections are using 3:1 shrink tube to help keep them sealed up. Next up will be all of the under dash wiring to deal with but that may take a little more time.

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Understandable on the sizing then @MrPink, I don't plan to race my car at the strip since I'm limited to 14.0 due to no cage in an open top car, so no need for slicks and the 555's should do well enough for me.

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That they should, granted if you need more traction step up to the 555RII then. which is a drag radial which would help for sure with traction lol. my truck will see both street and strip so i'll do both setups lol
 

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559lbs for a small block? That seems more like a big block number. They must be over 650lbs. I always wondered how much weight I removed from my Caprice. I pulled all the A/C, emissions junk, installed aluminum heads, intake, and water pump. But then you add back in dual exhaust. But also the wheels are aluminum too. I Think I estimated I removed close to 200lbs. So if the car weighed 3800 that would put it down in the 3600. You add the 500hp 383 stroker and many fast cars were taken by surprise from 20 year old me in my 4 door. :giggle:

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That they should, granted if you need more traction step up to the 555RII then. which is a drag radial which would help for sure with traction lol. my truck will see both street and strip so i'll do both setups lol
Finding special tires like I need is tough right now, I received the new tires yesterday and started to test fit, I'll need to do some more test fitting, more to come on this.

559lbs for a small block? That seems more like a big block number. They must be over 650lbs. I always wondered how much weight I removed from my Caprice. I pulled all the A/C, emissions junk, installed aluminum heads, intake, and water pump. But then you add back in dual exhaust. But also the wheels are aluminum too. I Think I estimated I removed close to 200lbs. So if the car weighed 3800 that would put it down in the 3600. You add the 500hp 383 stroker and many fast cars were taken by surprise from 20 year old me in my 4 door. :giggle:

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Granted that is full of oil, coolant from the water pump down, iron heads, aluminum intake, accessories, carb, air cleaner, clutch and flywheel so a little heavier than a "long block" but a good example of what a complete setup weighs. Making a nice sleeper like that is pretty impressive to say the least, now just think you could toss a turbo LS in there and get 800 with little fuss...not that I'm suggesting anything or anything. :)
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Thanks Grizz, I just like to have more info than not enough.

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Yesterday was a nice day, I received my new rear tires as well as the Wheel Fit tool, I didn't get any photos of it, but here is a link: Wheel Fit Tool
It is used to simulate an adjustable rim so proper rim sizing and most importantly for me, backspacing can be ordered. So as you can see the new tires are a bit bigger than the old ones:
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They really aren't that much taller, maybe .25" (7mm) I first put them under the car with it "on the ground" on the lift:
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Then loosly installed the tool and started trying to test fit them, I still have some work to do to get it just right and it appears to need a little trimming on some old spring mounts on the frame, but fills every bit of free space at full compression with coilovers removed:
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Keep moving forward,
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I am sorry.

Had to post again.

SERIOUS LOL=ing here.

Those wide meats just look so brutal.
They sure should be @Grizz1963 I'm pretty confident they are the biggest tire I could fit, I did a lot of checking last night and pretty glad I didn't go with the 315's after all, I'd probably have too much rubbing on the fiberglass and trimming the wheel lips is likely out of the question. On a side note I have 1/2" (12.7mm) more clearance on the passenger side than the drivers side. LOL
I like fat meat, I put 12" wide radial T/As under my 69 vette.
That looks good jb
Thank you @harley jim, I'm a huge fan of lots of tire, it just makes for a much tougher look in my opinion.
Jim, you're not the only one with wide tires on their Vette. The car came with some rock hard Gilette tires that I tossed in favor of BFG 295/50-15 meats on the rear. I think that's a 12" wide tire.
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Looks good @Bob Heine, I love C3 vettes and would like to have one in my life at some point.
Those tires will be great in the Power Tour monsoons!

That they will.
@MrPink and @mybigwarwagon, that is part of the reason I wanted something with a little tread depth to them, not a ton but better than some of the other options out there.

All,
I verified the tires do fit, they will slightly rub and full compression but considering bump-stops to keep from getting to that point. I do have a little cutting/grinding to do but all easy enough to take care of. Turns out the offset is only -10mm so they will be a pretty square rim all around 18"x11" wide, now to swallow my pride and get a set on order...after I figure out what I need up front.

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Looks good @Bob Heine, I love C3 vettes and would like to have one in my life at some point.
JB, be careful what you wish for. All I wanted was some wide tires to fit in the wheel wells of the C3. In the rear, the bracket for the e-brake cable prevents that. I moved the bracket from the side to the top of the trailing arm and gained a half-inch. That allowed a wider tire to clear that obstacle. Then the transverse leaf spring was touching the wider rim. Bought a shorter main leaf and discovered the tire was again touching the trailing arm where the e-brake bracket used to be.

If money can fix the problem, I don't consider it a real problem so I bought offset trailing arms with coilover shocks. Weld the reinforcing bracket on the stock shock mount and it's good to go. Except the wider rims I bought don't take advantage of all the extra room so I'm gonna need new rims. But there aren't as many tire options for the new 17" rims I bought so those need to be replaced with 18" rims and then I can put on the size tires I wanted in the first place. Is there a cure for scope creep 'cause I have a bad (maybe terminal) case.
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@Bob Heine, I believe you do have a terrible case of scope creep on your hands. At this point all it will take to fix the problem is time and money. I don't have enough of either to finish my cobra all the way so I'm limiting what I'm going to do as much as I can but that keep creeping as well. Axles next it seems like.

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Your cobra is going to be AWESOME! I hope you aren't too attached to those tires, the 7.3 should be able to turn them into slicks in short order!

How bout the Z? What's going on with that?
 
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Your cobra is going to be AWESOME! I hope you aren't too attached to those tires, the 7.3 should be able to turn them into slicks in short order!

How bout the Z? What's going on with that?
@ronjon1190 I'm growing quite fond of the tires and we may becoming fast friends. In time we will create many fond memories and as life goes they will pass on and I'll have a short grieving process (writing the check for new ones) then life will march on. What a way to go out though, I could think of no better way. :)

The Z should be in my possession Thursday if all goes to plan.

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More progress this weekend, it started off working to remove the coil spring mounts on the frame, it took all of my batteries and one of them recharged and back to dead, that is a lot of cutting to get it even this removed. I just now thought about it but I do have a corded one I could have used. Oh well...old:
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Removed:
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Next I wanted to have a look at the trans, here is the old T-5 next to the new clean TKX:
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Surprisingly they are very similar in size even thought he TKX is rated for twice as much power, a very well designed trans from everything I've read on it and quite compact. Here is a height comparison:
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The biggest difference is the trans mount location compared to the old one. I have adjustable mounts for the cross member but they were as far back as they could go and still needed to be 2" further to the rear as well as 5/8" higher, well a couple cuts and some welding followed by a coat of paint:
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For those that may have seen in it be background of some of the photos that is a John Deere 4010 the rancher running a couple of cattle on my place as well as bailing the hay is working on a clutch swap. He borrowed this tractor splitter that was used by a JD tech at the local dealership for years:
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I would have hoped he would have been done by now, but after 3 months I shouldn't rush him...:cautious:

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JB, for the Cobra, it looks like you're going to need a shorter drive shaft too.

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Based on the dimensions I would be fine if the yoke was the same, but I have a new yoke with 1330 U-joints and the rear is already 1330 rather than the 1310 stuff in it now. I'm considering going 1350 everywhere if I feel like I need to get bigger axles I'll get another center section with around 3.3:1 gears to replace the 3.7:1 in it now...what was that about scope creep?

or he has to lengthen the entire car.
Now that is thinking outside of the box. :beer:

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JB, seeing the tractor split in half sure brings back some memories from the family farm. Did a few of those jobs in my day and loved them. Much more than actually farming. :bounce:
 
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JB, seeing the tractor split in half sure brings back some memories from the family farm. Did a few of those jobs in my day and loved them. Much more than actually farming. :bounce:
I've offered to help with the tractor but they have it covered, if only they would have it covered and done sooner than later, but that doesn't look likely to happen. No rush it seems, looks like they won't be bailing hay this year which means I get to mow it all down in a few weeks.

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I had to split my baby tractor this winter- I used a different method. That trolly looks like it would work slick!
 

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// snip //

For those that may have seen in it be background of some of the photos that is a John Deere 4010 the rancher running a couple of cattle on my place as well as bailing the hay is working on a clutch swap. He borrowed this tractor splitter that was used by a JD tech at the local dealership for years:
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I would have hoped he would have been done by now, but after 3 months I shouldn't rush him...:cautious:

JB
Tractor splitter? Well isn't that interesting (and useful, I'm sure!)

And here, I thought you were stretching the wheelbase on the 4010 for a minute there. LOL

Good luck on all the projects.
 
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I had to split my baby tractor this winter- I used a different method. That trolly looks like it would work slick!
When he brought it over we spent a while just staring at it trying to figure out how it was supposed to work. It is pretty slick and keeps everything in line.

Tractor splitter? Well isn't that interesting (and useful, I'm sure!)

And here, I thought you were stretching the wheelbase on the 4010 for a minute there. LOL

Good luck on all the projects.
Luckily he is doing all of the work and I just show where tools are when it comes to it, I have plenty of my own keeping me busy.

After the tractor , tools are already there........
Haha that would be funny, but I'll pass.

All,

I have lots to share about this last week, but I'm trying to catch up on work for now.

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Well the long wait is over finely, I made the trip down to Texas to pick up the engine, all around it was about a 1,000 mile trip. I stayed the night at a friends house in Fort Worth then made the 3.5 hour trip to Nacogdoches, Tx to arrive at the Mast shop at 8 am. I made it a little early and decided to go for a run and have some breakfast, while eating I see someone else has installed a Godzilla into a cobra:
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It looks good in there, hopefully mine will soon as well. Here is my engine in their shop:
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I'm not used to working on something so clean, it'll be interesting to see how long that lasts. Took a tour, got a couple shirts and made the 650 mile (1,040 km) trip home, the lift points were too high for my cherry picker so I used the next best thing...a tractor to unload it:
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Easy and didn't even break a sweat. Unpacked it and man does it look nice and feels great to have it home finely:
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First up a size comparison with it and the 351w:
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It is noticably bigger, but in the grand scheme of things it isn't that much bigger in overall size, just a bit bigger everywhere. Well now it is time to see if I can get it to fit:
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Sure enough if fits right in...just barely but it does fit, height may still be an issue, but I have some time to figure that out a bit later, for now though I'm stoked to be this far. I wanted to get an idea on alternator placement and what one to use, I had this one from an LS based truck engine and some hardware so tired it out:
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I think I can make this work, and I have one with the harness so should be easy enough to integrate with the rest of the wiring. Next up for me was to try the bell housing so I can get the trans mounted and ready for motor mount fabrication, test fit and checked runout using a magnetic base and a dial indicator:
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This revealed I was .007" (.178mm) low. To fix this I ordered some offset dowel pins, to get the bellhousing centered will take a lot of trial and error but I have a starting point now. Next up I wanted to make some motor mount plates, some cardboard and a hammer and they fit like a glove:
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Last up for now I'll show the dyno graph for my engine:
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In other news here is a video of my engine and some of the stuff done to it as Mast displayed it at the Holley Ford Intergalactic Fest:
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More to come,
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Well here we go on the next chapter, picking up my new to me BMW Z4, it started with a flight from Wichita, Ks. with a stop in Denver, Co. before landing in Salt Lake City, Ut. where a friend drove us to Park City, Ut. to meet one of the Host to Everyday Driver, Todd:
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The views from his house are not terrible, I could see why this is a great ski destination. Just a heads up the photos are out of order and just a taste of what we saw on the trip. Stayed in SLC then hit the road the next morning:
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Leaving Utah at one point that made a good photo op, we made it up to Bear Lake in Idaho which was a first for both of us, sadly it was raining but this lake is very blue and would be awesome to see in the sun:

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In Colorado we hit some snow and 32°F (0°C) weather, meanwhile it was 95°F (35°C) back in Oklahoma, this was just past the snow, we peaked around 11,000 ft:
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We actually got to drive through the end of this rainbow but was too faded to really see in a photo:
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Some great colors on this trip as well, the trees were changing and was a good time of year to make the trek:
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Colorful Colorado was not a disappointment, and we had some very fun roads to travel. We also went to Wyoming but didn't get to the good parts as day 2 was a 600 mile (960km) day. Here was entering Colorado:
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Eastern Colorado, Kansas, and back home to Oklahoma on our final day and it lived up to it's reputation:
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We made it to my house about 30 minutes before the rain hit:
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Sadly it was too cold the entire trip for top down driving and has rained every day since returning and my gravel road is a soupy mess so no driving the Z for now. The plate is Z NOT ZED which I think I'll replicate, but I don't like the name ZED so I decided to name it Piglet. :)

More to come,
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So the car came with a full set of extra wheels and winter tires, we dropped them off and had them shipped back to my house, not bad looking wheels at all:
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When I got home yesterday this is what I found delivered:
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Yep 3 tires is gonna be tough to run on this thing...tracking shows it was last touched in SLC...we shall see if I ever get it but I'm not hopeful and will have fun dealing with the delivery company on this one. There area couple small issues with the car I wanted to address before driving it much like the right rear blinker being very dim, faulty window switch, and I wanted to unpack in the dry so I parked it under the cobra for now and couldn't resist getting a photo:
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They are really close in size to each other but the one on bottom has ~225 hp and the one on top will have 3 times that. :)

Also back before the pandemic stuff started I was offered a Russian license plate by @Vieux but he was very delayed in sending it out due to the Covid restrictions, but he gave it a go a couple weeks ago and it showed up while I was gone:
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Shipping was just over a week which is very impressive. I gave it to my buddy with the '68 Mustang as he has a "few" license plates displayed in his shop, he was a bit surprised by it but very grateful. Thank you again Vieux.

That is all for now,
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