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allinon72

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What a load of ****. I bought a new gas can the other day and it had all these contraptions on the filler neck. Looked at all of them at the store and they all had it. Got it home....these so called "safety" features virtually guarantee that you will get gas all over your hands and whatever you are filling up.

JUST GIVE ME A REGULAR FILLER NECK AND I CAN HANDLE THE REST. :scared:
 
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One of the stupid things about the design goal was that it was supposed to trap gasoline vapors inside of the can. When left in the sun, the vapors that are treated swell the can up like a pumpkin !

Of course when you do open the can (using what ever mechanism the manufacturer has designed) all of the vapors escape anyway !
 

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I no longer use the built in spout. I bought a metal funnel that has a flexible spout that will hold whatever shape it's bent to.

By using a spring clamp, the funnel can be used with my vehicles. The body of the funnels sits in the "V" of the clamp handles.

Take the spout off the gas can, pour away. No mess, and it's much faster.

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i hear ya, i needed one in a hurry the other day and only one i could find was at HD with some cheap looking smart fill thing...some twist lock green thing. I looked at it and said "i know this **** will last all of 5 minutes". Got home couldn't get gas out of the thing for nothing, 10 minutes later tired of trying i just got pissed and ripped all the junk off and apart so it's just a plain nozzle. 100% junk.
 

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I bought a little 1 gallon unit for the shop, to top off my grandson's mini bike. The safety gear on it worked so well you could not get gas out of it to save your life. I threw it away.
 

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I assume you are speaking about the spring loaded type of can. Did you get the type with the flexible filler extension? They are much easier to use than the spout type. On my mower and edger, the design of the fuel tank/neck is a bigger issue than the can I'm using to fill them. But now that you have got this can, look on the bright side.

Keep in mind that these safety cans were designed for commercial applications to minimize the consequences of improper use or storage of non-safety cans in the workplace. I use the plastic cans myself, butI never fill anything in the garage or shed and store the cans in the shed where there is cross-ventilation, no ignition source or high temps.

Their real value for homeowners is when you have limited storage possibilities. These cans are a good choice even if they are not as conveinient for dispensing. You can usually control where, when and how you dispense. Some spillage may not be a big deal if other safety measures are followed. Storage is a different issue. When stored in a garage with kids, cars. grinders, welders, pilot lights, smoking, possible physical damage etc., they can offer some real peace of mind.

U/L listed safety cans are equipped with spark arrestors that can protect the user holding the can if something happens when fueling that results in flashback to the can itself. If you drop it while fueling, it is self-closing. They are also equipped with pressure venting features that offer controlled release of excessive pressure and will keep the can from bursting if subjected to high ambient heat such as negligently being stored in high heat areas or direct sunlight.
 
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I assume you are speaking about the spring loaded type of can. Did you get the type with the flexible filler extension? They are much easier to use than the spout type. On my mower and edger, the design of the fuel tank/neck is a bigger issue than the can I'm using to fill them. But now that you have got this can, look on the bright side.

Keep in mind that these safety cans were designed for commercial applications to minimize the consequences of improper use or storage of non-safety cans in the workplace. I use the plastic cans myself, butI never fill anything in the garage or shed and store the cans in the shed where there is cross-ventilation, no ignition source or high temps.

Their real value for homeowners is when you have limited storage possibilities. These cans are a good choice even if they are not as conveinient for dispensing. You can usually control where, when and how you dispense. Some spillage will may not be a big deal if other safety measures are followed. Storage is a different issue. When stored in a garage with kids, cars. grinders, welders, pilot lights, smoking, possible physical damage etc., they can offer some real peace of mind.

U/L listed safety cans are equipped with spark arrestors that can protect the user holding the can if something happens when fueling that results in flashback to the can itself. If you drop it while fueling, it is self-closing. They are also equipped with pressure venting features that offer controlled release of excessive pressure and will keep the can from bursting if subjected to high ambient heat such as negligently being stored in high heat areas or direct sunlight.

Did you copy and paste that off a gas can website or something?
 

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One of the stupid things about the design goal was that it was supposed to trap gasoline vapors inside of the can. When left in the sun, the vapors that are treated swell the can up like a pumpkin !

Yep, all the new cans have no real vent and that's a bad thing IMO.

The 1-gallon can I bought just for my gas-powered pressure washer had a big warning label that read "DANGER, GASOLINE & FIRE DON'T MIX". Really? Who's buying this can? A 6-year old? If you need to be told that you shouldn't be anywhere near gasoline!
 

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That has to be a copy and paste, most of it is not true and makes no sense.

You can usually control where, when and how you dispense

I can control the where, when and how I dispense too. I pick up the can, carry it to my mower, and unscrew the fill cap, tip the gas can over and pour, THATS control.

I haven't had a gas can yet that tried to jump up and do this on its own and end up making a mess, they are pretty docile creatures and usually wait for you to do it for them.

Capturing vapors at a gas station makes some sense, the vapors are routed back to the underground tank, where they cool and condense. I'd like to see some real numbers on how much gas is actually recovered doing this, I'll bet its not a lot however.

Capturing vapors in a portable gas can is idiocy at its best, it just doesn't happen.

Charles
 

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It's a conspiracy man.....they are trying to make it impossible to have any gas powered devices at your home.....

The battery manufactures are behind it...they want to sell more batteries....
 

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I vote "NO".....a real POS! Took a razor knife and cut all the **** off it. The thing leaks all over.....what a waste. If you like this government answer to gas vapors, you will love the governments answer to health care!!
 

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This has been posted before. The main consensus is that people hate these things and they make a mess.

Actually yesterday was the first time I managed to fill with one of these new cans without messing. I could have done it in 4 times the speed with a regular tank and no mess. The new design is horrible.

I would rather transfer the fuel by mouth than use these stupid tanks.
 

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We had to buy one for work the other day. The guys hate it. It swells up and blows gas everywhere when you try to use it. It doesn't have a vent, and takes forever to fill with.

I wonder if this is the solution:

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Seems like that would be very handy to have around.

Phil
 
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I can not stress enough at how much i hate these things...i bought one for my generator while camping and every time, I spill all over the place. I miss the red plastic cans with the yellow spout coming off them...
 

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"Notes: This jug is not to be used with fuel." :dunno:

I believe its because its not DOT approved. Don't hold me to that, but im a pretty sure thats why the message is there. And its not approved for something minor...like its not red or something like that..
 

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That's another government regulation saving us from ourselves.

Is this a federal or state thing? I was told it was due to a California law and the container companies just didn't want to produce two designs, but I don't know how true that is. If that were the case, you'd think still making the old style wouldn't be an issue for as long as they've been around.
 

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Capturing vapors in a portable gas can is idiocy at its best, it just doesn't happen.

This is quite simply wrong.
The lack of a vent on portable gas cans is more about preventing the escape of vapors in storage, than about capturing vapors displaced by the dispensing of gas.

Venting the cans causes four big issues I can think of, off the top of my head.

Did you realize that gasoline blends can contain 15% butane nowadays (ok, only in winter blends, but still).
It's in solution, but it will fraction off just sitting around. So the first issue, is if you leave the can vented, it will be 15% (or more) lighter in a few weeks.
This loss of fuel costs you money, but more importantly, it also lowers the octane rating of what's left behind (that's issue #2). This is counter-intuitive, as you'd think that the more volatile fractions would lower the octane, but butane has a RON rating of 94.
This combined lower octane and volatility makes starting harder (but prevents vapor lock).
No amount of gasoline stabilizers will help with these issues, but I guess if you're willing to pay close to double the normal price for gasoline (and deal with the issues introduced by lead), you could use 100LL aviation gasoline. It's low volatility (necessary for operating at altitudes with reduced air pressure, to prevent boiling) would mean that the pressure in the can's headspace would remain low (which would mitigate the next issues too, and which is why aviation gasoline stores much better than car motor fuel).

Gasoline in a vented container "breathes", and the more volatile the fuel, the more it breathes. As the daily temperature swings, the pressure in the container's headspace will go up and down. It vents volatiles during the day, and ***** in air at night.
This exposes the gas to fresh oxygen, which accelerates the process of producing varnish (issue #3). This ONE issue can be prevented by the use of gasoline stabilizers.
The ethanol in blended gasoline is hydroscopic. That means that it will literally **** water out of the air. This isn't so horrible, so long as the ethanol/water mixture stays in solution in the gasoline, but with gasoline being a primarily non-polar solvent, and water being very polar, it doesn't take much water in that ethanol, to get the solutions to separate like a salad dressing badly in need of shaking. This water/ethanol/gunk mixture will rot out the bottom of your tank, but more importantly, causes havoc if it gets into your engine.
Some gasoline stabilizers help with this too. Either by preventing the "phase separation", or by mitigating it's effects by blocking the corrosion caused by the water.

Now, if your gas can is not vented, it won't breathe, and the liquid will not be exposed to any more water vapor and oxygen than what is already in the headspace (this is very little). Problems all avoided.

So long as you don't have winter blend gas stored in an unvented can left out in the sun in the summer, it may look like it is unnaturally expanding, but it will not explode. Today's cans are pressure rated for something like 10PSI (above which, the valve is supposed to vent before anything fails from the pressure), and that is a lot of pressure for a small plastic can, so it can be expected to expand a lot.
 

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"Notes: This jug is not to be used with fuel." :dunno:

I believe its because its not DOT approved. Don't hold me to that, but im a pretty sure thats why the message is there. And its not approved for something minor...like its not red or something like that..

Water jugs are made of a single layer of plastic, with no consideration taken to issues caused with storing gasoline.

Plastic gas cans have a layer in the plastic that prevents the gasoline from permeating the plastic. They have caps that won't deteriorate and crack from gas contact, and anti-static treatment to prevent fires.

Oh, and they're red. This makes the fire department happy, when they don't have to worry about a water jug bursting into flames in a BLEVE, and they at least know what they're facing.
 
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Get a jug from Summitt or Jegs. Formerly known as "fuel jugs", they're now "utility jugs". The EPA says they can't sell them as fuel jugs. If you get one from Jegs, be sure you rinse it out well.
 

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It's nice to see a response void of BS and unqualified opinions....

Good post rlitman....enjoyed reading that....

And...hopefully my 'conspiracy' comment was taken for the humor that was intended...(the battery companies are not behind the conspiracy...the plastic companies are....they want to plant more plastic trees)

This is quite simply wrong.
The lack of a vent on portable gas cans is more about preventing the escape of vapors in storage, than about capturing vapors displaced by the dispensing of gas.

Venting the cans causes four big issues I can think of, off the top of my head.

Did you realize that gasoline blends can contain 15% butane nowadays (ok, only in winter blends, but still).
It's in solution, but it will fraction off just sitting around. So the first issue, is if you leave the can vented, it will be 15% (or more) lighter in a few weeks.
This loss of fuel costs you money, but more importantly, it also lowers the octane rating of what's left behind (that's issue #2). This is counter-intuitive, as you'd think that the more volatile fractions would lower the octane, but butane has a RON rating of 94.
This combined lower octane and volatility makes starting harder (but prevents vapor lock).
No amount of gasoline stabilizers will help with these issues, but I guess if you're willing to pay close to double the normal price for gasoline (and deal with the issues introduced by lead), you could use 100LL aviation gasoline. It's low volatility (necessary for operating at altitudes with reduced air pressure, to prevent boiling) would mean that the pressure in the can's headspace would remain low (which would mitigate the next issues too, and which is why aviation gasoline stores much better than car motor fuel).

Gasoline in a vented container "breathes", and the more volatile the fuel, the more it breathes. As the daily temperature swings, the pressure in the container's headspace will go up and down. It vents volatiles during the day, and ***** in air at night.
This exposes the gas to fresh oxygen, which accelerates the process of producing varnish (issue #3). This ONE issue can be prevented by the use of gasoline stabilizers.
The ethanol in blended gasoline is hydroscopic. That means that it will literally **** water out of the air. This isn't so horrible, so long as the ethanol/water mixture stays in solution in the gasoline, but with gasoline being a primarily non-polar solvent, and water being very polar, it doesn't take much water in that ethanol, to get the solutions to separate like a salad dressing badly in need of shaking. This water/ethanol/gunk mixture will rot out the bottom of your tank, but more importantly, causes havoc if it gets into your engine.
Some gasoline stabilizers help with this too. Either by preventing the "phase separation", or by mitigating it's effects by blocking the corrosion caused by the water.

Now, if your gas can is not vented, it won't breathe, and the liquid will not be exposed to any more water vapor and oxygen than what is already in the headspace (this is very little). Problems all avoided.

So long as you don't have winter blend gas stored in an unvented can left out in the sun in the summer, it may look like it is unnaturally expanding, but it will not explode. Today's cans are pressure rated for something like 10PSI (above which, the valve is supposed to vent before anything fails from the pressure), and that is a lot of pressure for a small plastic can, so it can be expected to expand a lot.
 

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It's nice to see a response void of BS and unqualified opinions....

Good post rlitman....enjoyed reading that....

And...hopefully my 'conspiracy' comment was taken for the humor that was intended...(the battery companies are not behind the conspiracy...the plastic companies are....they want to plant more plastic trees)

Thanks.
I've got two kids. They're powered by chicken nuggets. Everything of theirs is powered by batteries. There's got to be some sort of a conspiracy in there somewhere, I just haven't figured it out yet. :)

Oh, and I dislike the new gas cans too (even though I've got a few).
Most of my gas cans are the metal safety cans. I really like the Type II cans with a hose nozzle that makes filling so much easier, but I also have a few Type I cans, just because they're so much cheaper.
I really only feel safe refilling my running generator from these metal cans because of the flash arrestor screen mentioned above. It is an important safety feature that is lacking in the plastic cans.
 
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I hate these cans with a passion, imho, I think they are worse than older cans as far as safety is concerned. These new cans rank right up there with the ******* OSHA cans. While they may have they're place, it seems everytime you use them, you're spilling gas.
 

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I got tired of the expanding and contracting so I drilled a 1/16" hole in the top of them. The flapper is still a pita though.

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I bought an Eagle brand gas can with funnel off of amazon and it works great. It also is made in the USA which is a plus.
 

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Get a jug from Summitt or Jegs. Formerly known as "fuel jugs", they're now "utility jugs". The EPA says they can't sell them as fuel jugs. If you get one from Jegs, be sure you rinse it out well.

Yea I have 6 of those. Some square, some round. With my giant funnel, it's easy to fill the fuel cells in the race cars. Not so conducive to topping off a mini bike gas tank. ;) The single layer plastic jug will work OK for about 4-5 years before they get hard and would be in danger of cracking. I've hauled fuel all over Texas with them - but never had to explain anything to the DPS either. We usually carry 20 gallons to a race, at least. In the off season, it goes in the pickup or lawn mower. As noted above and since we run 93 pump unleaded, I don't keep it more than a month because the quality deteriorates quickly.
 

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I like the siphon hose idea, but it would take too long as opposed to gravity.

I got on ebay and bought some flexible gas can leader hoses. They were made in Canada, because the US government knows better for us citizens.
Anyway, I drilled a hole in the back top of the can. Used a tire stem , pulled in from the inside of the can so it seals nicely. I then shaved off the ruff plastic tabs.
I have 6 of them and they don't leak a drop and great cans. There is a youtube video that shows how.

Our government is too big and too fat. They take too much of my hard earned money and waste in on **** I don't care about. Bout time for a revolution
 

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For at least 2 solid years I've heard nothing but awful things about these new gas cans.

At least they are consistent, yes?

:D
 

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WTF Thank you EPA for saving me from myself .I buy all the old ( normal ) style gas can at yard sales spill no gas and can pour 5 gallons in a tank in 2 minutes or less.
 

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I have replaced all of my cans with these:
http://www.nospill.com/

They're stupid expensive compared to the regular "new" cans but these actually work as gas cans.

One thing that does not work is the auto stop feature, found that out the first time I went to fill my brand new mower with my brand new gas can... what a mess. So don't believe the cute model. Otherwise great though.
 

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I saw those new cans. WTF?

My only good gas can is a Craftsman 1 1/4 gas from 1986. It has a vent. I also have a newer 5gal plastic jug, and it's slow to deplete without a way to vent. I want a 5gal that won't strain my arm while I'm filling my vehicles.

What can I do? buy old *** gas cans at yard sales? The military no longer sells the old jerry cans.
 
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