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Seems several of us have home tire machines.
I have a real antique. Air bead break, manual mount/dismount.
Keeps the guns loaded.
What have you got?
 
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Sam'sAutoParts

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Pry bars and a big hammer, I only dis-mount tires, and I usually only do if the tire is toast. Would like to get an older unit at some point, but I have only been causally looking.
 

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Derek Weaver Changer and Balancer
 

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After years of mounting on a manual post-style machine I finally got a Hunter 3250.

I drift cars so I usually am mounting 20-60 tires a month during the season.
 

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Coats rim clamp. never got my Bear balancer to work (bad prom), so it's in the scrap pile...
 

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Old school here, it's probably older than I am. :D

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lucky you :lol_hitti

i only have 1 tire iron and a HF manual "machine"

the only tires i mess with are for off road rigs...



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When I was at the dealer, I had to change equipment tires. The shop would not supply any tools for tire changing, guess they expected me to use prybars. So I bought my own irons, bead breaker and a cheetah bead seater. And when I quit there, they all came home to my shop.
 

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When I was at the dealer, I had to change equipment tires. The shop would not supply any tools for tire changing, guess they expected me to use prybars. So I bought my own irons, bead breaker and a cheetah bead seater. And when I quit there, they all came home to my shop.

we sub out all mount/dismount and 99.99% of repairs.

the 0.01% i do in the field with NO guarantee...

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Old school here, it's probably older than I am. :D

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I used one like that about 30 years ago, and it had some years on it then. In the right hands though you could make that machine sing. On the down side, it was a bit rough on aluminum wheels. Luckily, at the time, a lot of cars still had steels wheels and hub caps.
 

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Harbor freight manual machine and bubble balancer. Works good enough for me!

I also bought a tire spreader that mounts atop the changer so I can do flat repairs. I mount the tire changer to a 4'x4' sheet of 3/4" plywood using carriage bolts. When I'm done, I unbolt it and store the pieces separately.
 
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One of the best tools I own.

Atlas 411 from Greg smith equipment.

I had never done over 18 inch tires on it until a couple weeks ago. Found out the rim clamps work in the outward direction as well as inward. Clamped right on to 20 inch rims.
 

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we sub out all mount/dismount and 99.99% of repairs.

the 0.01% i do in the field with NO guarantee...

:beer:

We sub some tires out, say the machine was in the shop for other stuff beside the tires. We kept it a secret we did this so when a guy came in with one and needed it fixed or replaced while he waited, I was the guy. Also any in the field were my babies. Ever change the 15" ers on a toolcat? What miserable ******* those are.
 

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I've have an Atlas TC289 tire changer, and WB21 balancer for about 2 years now. I mainly bought them because I hate tire stores and tires are cheaper online. I figured I'd probably never use them enough to justify the expense, but I've used them a lot more than I thought I would in the time I've had them.



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COATS 5060E rim clamp tire changer and a COATS 1050 wheel balancer. Just ordered tires from www.tirerack.com yesterday, got them this afternoon, and had them mounted and balanced in about 30 minutes. I LOVE having these machines at home. I also picked up an old AMMCO brake lathe so. I can turn rotors at home too.

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I am thinking about getting a rim clamp just because mine cannot handle some modern tires too easily.
I was wondering what people paid for new or used models.
 

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My buddy bought a used coats rim clamp for $500 and thought he got a screaming deal. It worked and changed plenty of tires, but its wear was noticeable. It made changing tires on expensive rims too nerve racking for him. He ended buying a new coats baseline to replace it. I think it got is money back selling the old one. His experience has made a little leary about buying a use one. Not saying I wouldn't, but I'd make damn sure I knew what I was getting. His was repairable, but to do it right, he was going to be close to the new one when factoring is original purchase price.
 

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I found my tire changer (COATS 5060E) locally and paid $600 for it (included delivery) and then spent $50 redoing the seals on the bead breaker cylinder, and $20 on new air lines (all of which I fixed myself). I also paid about roughly $50 for everything I'll ever need to internally or externally patch flat tires, as needed.

I went one state over to Indiana (about 2 hours away) and paid $300 for my COATS 1050 wheel balancer, which I disassembled in order to fit it into my van. The screen didn't work that well when I bought it, due to all of the touch screen keys being fully depressed down flat - basically everything was super sticky and smashed in from years of abuse. I took it all apart, cleaned it up, and it all works now. It also came with all the wheel adapters. In order to power it up (220 single phase) I paid $20 for a new 220V plug so that I could connect it to the same extension cord that I use on my 220 4 post BendPak HD9. I also paid $35 for a rim width caliper, and then another $50 for a big box of 1/4 ounce strips of sticky weights. This is just a lot cheaper than buying an entire assortment of various metal or lead weights for the different types of rims I'll be working on.

These machines are very easy to work on. Just keep in mind that these are typically work horses at any shop and they never have any down time AND they typically never get cleaned. Just make sure to buy an old but popular name brand machine so that you can always find parts for it. Also make sure to google your make and model ahead of time to see if you can find operators manuals and parts diagrams, which will help you easily find parts on eBay or from the vendor themselves.

Finally, for anybody doubting the need for this type of equipment, it'll just take about 4 or 5 tire set changes for these machines to easily pay for themselves. Plus I can't say enough about the convenience factor alone. You can easily change a set of tires in 30-45 minutes and that's taking your sweet time, in the comfort of your own shop (and at whatever hour of the day or night that you choose).
 

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BTW, if you guys ever run into a used Sun Electric tire machine, stay away. It was nicknamed "The Widow Maker" back in the day by Sun employees because the tire bar would sometimes fly back and break the user's arm. I don't think they sold very many.
 

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I use my son, he works at a new car dealership. Still, it would have been far cheaper to buy a tire machine than it was to raise him.
 

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I am thinking about getting a rim clamp just because mine cannot handle some modern tires too easily.
I was wondering what people paid for new or used models.

I paid $300 for mine but was missing air motor, valves, and needed pretty much a complete rebuild. I've got $900 into it total and everything but the bead break cylinder is new or rebuilt...have been offered $2k a couple times for it, and I see used/reconditioned ones from dealers in the $3500 range...
 

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I would not hesitate to buy a used one again, but I didn't buy one that was clapped out from years of tire store use.

I think I paid $500 for my used Atlas a few years ago. It was in good shape, but unknown to me it had some corrosion from wet air inside the bead breaker cylinder which caused the breaker arm to stop working shortly after I got it. Had to take it apart and clean out the rust/corrosion and reset the seals in the cylinder- didn't even need new parts, but if it did, the guys at Greg Smith had them in stock. (They also were helpful in telling me what was likely wrong with it when I described the problem)

You can buy the new model like mine for about $1200. Ones with a few more features go for $1750. I'm not sure why anyone would want to pay more than that for one in a home shop. Mine doesn't have the black helper arms on the right and left shown in T_Raven's picture above. I don't think those are necessary, I've figured out how to change everything from motorcycle tires, to 10 ply truck tires on it without too much trouble. It does plain old 16 inch car tires with no sweat, and it's so much more convenient than taking them to a tire place or trying to do them with tire irons. The only feature I've found lacking is the bead blaster. I've had a couple of tire/rim combinations where it was nearly impossible to get the tire to fill. I bought a cheetah to solve that problem.


I don't know if an atlas would stand up to commercial use, but for a home garage, they work fine. Actually it probably would stand up to light commercial use fine, they aren't complicated machines. I've changed probably a couple hundred tires on it since I've had it. For those that are thinking about it, I would say it comes down to how often you would use it and whether you have the space. If you have more than a couple cars, or some teenagers who are driving, or a hobby that requires tire changes, it's not a hard decision to make, the machines can pay for themselves pretty quickly.

Keep in mind though that changing tires is hard and dirty work - mounted tires can be heavy, they come off the car with all kinds of brake dust and dirt on them, and you have to clean the rims to mount new wheel weights on them.

P.S. Just me, but I would not recommend one of those old style coats center clamp machines , even though you can find them cheap these days. I worked in high school changing tires on one of them and I thought they were great machines back then, and when I was looking I probably would have bought one if I had found it cheap. I can say with experience, the newer style rim clamp machines are much more versatile and easier to use.
 
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Besides your typical craigslist ads, also check with shop managers. You'd be surprised how often some places swap out their equipment for newer models.

Also, I'd start with a wheel balancer even if you already have free rotate and balance on your store bought tires. You'll quickly appreciate the convenience of doing a rotate and balance (anytime you want) at home and knowing that your tires are perfectly balanced. That's what actually first got me thinking about getting my own machines. I was just getting so frustrated with having to go back to a "tire shop" 2-3 times to get my wheels balanced correctly. Believe me, this isn't rocket science, as every electric wheel balancer will tell you exactly where to put your weights. The difference is in having an operator that actually cares enough to do the job correctly.

One last thing, most tire changers only need 110v, and that's only if you have an electric turntable. Otherwise you only need air. Most wheel balancers will need 220v. Just make sure you are buying a 220v SINGLE PHASE wheel balancer. Many times you'll see a $500 wheel balancer for sale but please call ahead and confirm its not a typical three phase unit, which is what a lot of them are. Or, you can buy it and then spend more money on finding a three to single phase converter.



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That's what I've got too. Coat 40-40A. Paid $75 dollars for it 15 years ago. I think it may have paid for itself by now:dunno:

Ditto, I have a coats 40-40 also. Great machine. I have to be careful on some aluminum rims but I use it mostly for derby car/race car steel rims. Worth picking them up used. Very nice to have.
 

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Ditto, I have a coats 40-40 also. Great machine. I have to be careful on some aluminum rims but I use it mostly for derby car/race car steel rims. Worth picking them up used. Very nice to have.

Yes it does have a few drawbacks. But I'm not in the tire business. So it does what I need. If I had my way, I'd never change a tire. I've known guys that do it for a living. NO WAY.
 
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