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TM830 to 3/8" drive?

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I was reading the thread about converting 1/4" snap ons to 3/8" drive. I have three 1/4" snap on ratchets, a TM70B and two TM830 ratchets. From reading the last thread on converting them I see there isn't a kit for the 70B anymore or a cover for it. But I didn't see anything about converting a TM830 to 3/8" drive. I looked at the snap on site and they don't list a FM830 to steel parts from but they do have a FL830 with a repair kit. Does anyone know if a FL830 repair kit will work in a TM830 ratchet? The repair kit number is RKRCF830. And they don't list a cover plate so I guess I will have to drill mine out.

Any one know if I can turn my TM830 into a 3/8" drive?

Thanks
 
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scott37300;1369615 Any one know if I can turn my TM830 into a 3/8" drive? Thanks[/quote said:
Snap On never made a 800 series 3/8" in a 1/4" body conversion ratchet so there is no kit.



They made a 700 and a 900 series pear heads in standard handle and flex.

If you want to convert any of the old Snap On 20 tooth 700 series 1/4" drive non sealed pear head ratchets to 3/8" drive you will need the rebuild kit for the FM70 (A) or FM711, part # RKRA70FMA. (see link below)
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/searchLN.asp?partno=RKRA70FMA

*** NOTE *** The older pear head ratchet kits may not ( UNLESS IT IS OLD STOCK ) come with the cover plate, and if you can't order it separately it is more than likely discontinued .
If you can't get it ,then for a conversion you would need to drill out the hole in the 1/4" drive one to fit the 3/8" drive lug.


If you want to convert the Snap On 36 tooth 900 series (936) 1/4" drive pear head ratchets to 3/8" drive you will need the rebuild kit for the FC936 or FCF936 , part # RKRFC936 .(see link below)

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...=16536&supersede=&store=snapon-store&tool=all

*** NOTE *** This kit will also fit all the current Williams 36 tooth 1/4" drive 900 series based pear head ratchets. (all of these ratchets part # 's end in A, the previous 800 series based ratchets part #'s are the same except for the A)


There really is no need to go to all the trouble of converting these ratchets unless you want a certain style that the factory didn't make.

It may just be easier to buy one on ebay , they sell fairly cheap and you could just sell off the ratchet you were going to convert.

Snap On currently offers 2 pear head conversion ratchets, the FC72 AND FCF72 and a roto head , the FHC737.

FC72
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...group_ID=24687&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

FCF72
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...group_ID=24687&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

If you want to convert any of the current Snap On dual 80 style 72 tooth 1/4" drive pear head ratchets to 3/8" drive you will need the rebuild kit for the FC72 or FCF72 , part # RKRFC72 .(see link below)
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...group_ID=24687&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog



FHC737
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...4&group_ID=225&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

If you want to convert any of the older Snap On 39 tooth 700 series round head ratchets from 1/4" to 3/8" drive ,then you need the rebuild kit for this ratchet . ( FHC737 )
The rebuild kit part # is RKRFHC737 (see link below)
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...2&group_ID=225&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

*** NOTE *** The description on the website for this kit is wrong ,it is 39 tooth not 72.
*** NOTE *** This kit will ONLY fit the older round head ratchets, not the current 800 series 60 tooth ones, you can't convert those.

That is about it for Snap On conversion ratchets, hope this helps.
 

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You can use the repair kit for the FM70A (RKRA70FMA) in the TM70B, snapmom mentioned that she still has some cover plates, you might want to PM her and ask, I bought one from her for a reasonable price and it was like new.
 
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Snap On never made a 800 series 3/8" in a 1/4" body conversion ratchet so there is no kit.

There really is no need to go to all the trouble of converting these ratchets unless you want a certain style that the factory didn't make.

It may just be easier to buy one on ebay , they sell fairly cheap and you could just sell off the ratchet you were going to convert.


That is about it for Snap On conversion ratchets, hope this helps.

Thanks for all the good info! So no converting the TM830 I have then, bummer because I have 2 of them so would have been nice to sacrafice one of them.

I guess I'll keep an eye open for one on ebay or else try the TM70B. Not sure what they are going for on ebay but probably more than a 10 dollar repair kit. Not sure what a TM70B or TM830 are worth either, so not sure if it would pay to sell one of them.

Thanks again for the advice.
 

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Thanks for all the good info! So no converting the TM830 I have then, bummer because I have 2 of them so would have been nice to sacrafice one of them.

If you want something to do with your spare TM830 you could convert it to a 1/4" Hex bit ratchet.

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/parts/pro_det.asp?Item_id=51136&group_id=12320

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What all comes with the RKRFC936 kit? Is it just a replacement gear or does it come with all new guts?

It is a complete rebuild kit and it includes the cover plate that fits the 3/8" drive.
You can put the complete kit in but you don't have to use everything in the kit to convert a 1/4" ratchet to 3/8" drive.
You only need to change the gear , cover plate and seal as everything else is the same.
 

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Thanks Bart.


Can anyone else confirm that the RKRFC936 kit will work in a 1/4" M-52 JH Williams ratchet?
I would love to convert my long handle 1/4" Williams to a 3/8"
 
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If you want something to do with your spare TM830 you could convert it to a 1/4" Hex bit ratchet.

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/parts/pro_det.asp?Item_id=51136&group_id=12320

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Matt, thanks for that idea! I really was hoping for a 3/8" drive in one of my TM830s but since I have three 1/4" drive snap on ratchets turning one into a bit ratchet sounds like a good idea for 10 bucks! I have a couple of those bit ratchets like the blue point ones but since I have some "extra" 1/4" ratchets I will try one of them out as a bit driver and see how I like it.

I will end up buying a used/new one eventially.

Thanks again for that suggestion.
 

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Thanks Bart.


Can anyone else confirm that the RKRFC936 kit will work in a 1/4" M-52 JH Williams ratchet?
I would love to convert my long handle 1/4" Williams to a 3/8"


Is M-52 the complete part # ? :headscrat

If you meant M-52A .....that is a round head ratchet so of course it wont work.........

Trying to read your mind ..... you said long handle ratchet .....

If you meant the long flex handle M-52EHF , NO it wont work as this ratchet has the same internals as a 800 series Snap On ratchet.
A easy way to tell is it has the bolt on lever and a pin for the flex joint, not a bolt.

If you meant the long flex handle M-52EHFA , YES it will work as this ratchet has the same internals as a 900 series Snap On ratchet.
A easy way to tell is it doesn't have the bolt on lever but does have the bolt for the flex joint , not a pin.


I thought I covered this in detail above when I wrote .....


" *** NOTE *** This kit will also fit all the current Williams 36 tooth 1/4" drive 900 series based pear head ratchets. (all of these ratchets part # 's end in A, the previous 800 series based ratchets part #'s are the same except for the A) "


Maybe a bit more explanation is warranted .......

This conversion works because Snap On owns J H Williams and while the ratchet bodies may look a little different they are the same internally to Snap On's previous offerings. (900 series).

When Snap On updates its line the previous designs go over to Williams.

Some examples would be when Snap On replaced the 800 series pear head ratchets with the 900 series, Williams got the 800 series.
When Snap On replaced the 900 series pear head ratchets with the Dual 80's , Williams got the 900 series to replace the 800.

They did this for other items like screwdrivers also.

When Snap On replaced the contour grip screwdrivers (old style hard handle that crumbles) with the newer power grip plus hard handles, Williams got the contour grips.
When Snap On replaced the power grip plus hard handle screwdrivers with the soft grips , Williams got the power grip plus hard handles to replace the contour grips.

The thing to remember is the Snap On RKRFC936 kit wont fit 800 series style ratchets from Snap On or Williams , only 900.
800 and 900 series ratchets look very similar because they are both sealed heads, but the easy way to tell them apart is that the 800 series has a little screw that holds on the selector switch ,the 900 series doesent.

Williams currently offers a 8" long flex head 1/4" drive 900 style ratchet that would lend itself to a 3/8" drive conversion quite well .

It is almost 2" longer than the chrome handle ratchets from Snap On , the Williams part # is M-52EHFA ,but you may have trouble finding it.

Even though this ratchet has been out for years you wont find this part # on the Williams site anywhere.
You can search the site listings / online catalog / new items, etc ...nothing .

You will find the old 800 series based ratchet part # M-52EHF .

Aparently being an industrial supplier they don't feel the need to update there catalog / site very often.

I believe some of the info in there catalog is incorrect and it certainly is out of date as all the pear head flex ratchets shown in there catalog are the old style even though they have been superceeded with the new ones.

To do the conversion you need the newer style where the part # ends in an A.
To make things even more confusing most online retailers use the stock out of date catalog photos and specifications , but have the correct updated part # ending in A , but not all do ,some dont even have the updated Part # listed.
Since these have been out for years just make sure you get one with the correct part # ending in A, about the only way you could get the wrong one is if the retailer had old stock from years ago.
 

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Can anyone tell me the head thickness on the Williams M-52EHFA?



I'm interested in taking the M-52EHFA and doing a conversion to 3/8" drive for use as a spark plug ratchet to use on the DOHC variants of the EJ25 series engines. You have all the room in the wold side-to-side in those setups so the diameter of the head doesn't matter at all, but the engine is right up against the frame rail so the head needs a very low profile to slide down in there.
 

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Sure it is 7/16" thick the same as a 900 series ( 936 ) Snap On 1/4 drive ratchet.
The 7/16" thickness is the head only not including the lever.

Thanks.

Is there going to be any size difference between a Williams B-52EHFA and a Williams M-52EHFA with the 3/8" kit in it?
 

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Thanks.

Is there going to be any size difference between a Williams B-52EHFA and a Williams M-52EHFA with the 3/8" kit in it?


If I am understanding you ...your asking if the drive lug takes up more room ?
Yes it does as it is bigger, but so are the 3/8" drive sockets.

The real question when clearance is an issue is the total length as you don't use a ratchet alone.
Being that 1/4" drive sockets are smaller ,if you can use them that will give you more room.
Snap On has 1/4" drive up to 16MM and 5/8" after that your going to have to use 3/8" drive.

Here are some pics that may help you.


Snap On FCF936 next to Williams M-52EHFA they are laying on the levers so they are up off the surface a bit.

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Same ratchets with 15MM Snap On sockets on them and an old Snap On TM711A flex head ratchet for comparison as the old ratchets were thinner.

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As you can see the 1/4" drive socket gives you a bit more clearance.
You could also use 3/8" drive low profile sockets and that would help.

If we use 15MM Snap On sockets for comparison it breaks down like this.

15MM 1/4" drive socket 23MM long
15MM 3/8" drive socket 27MM long
15MM 3/8" drive low profile socket 19.1MM long
 
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If I am understanding you ...your asking if the drive lug takes up more room ?
Yes it does as it is bigger, but so are the 3/8" drive sockets.

Sorry, I didn't ask that clearly.

I guess the best way to ask it is wither the ratchet body/head is any different between the B-52EHFA and the M-52EHFA. In other words, is it worth the effort to retrofit the 3/8ths drive into the 1/4" body or do I get the same thing by just buying the 3/8ths ratchet to begin with?
 

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Sorry, I didn't ask that clearly.

I guess the best way to ask it is wither the ratchet body/head is any different between the B-52EHFA and the M-52EHFA. In other words, is it worth the effort to retrofit the 3/8ths drive into the 1/4" body or do I get the same thing by just buying the 3/8ths ratchet to begin with?


Ok ..... I guess your asking if the 1/4" drive ratchet body/head is different ( smaller ? ) than a 3/8" drive ratchet ?


Of course it is just like a 3/8" is smaller than the 1/2" ratchet.


You definitely don't get the same thing from buying a regular 3/8" ratchet.


Williams doesn't offer any conversion ( 3/8" in a 1/4" body ) ratchets.
Snap On does , so if you use the Snap On rebuild kit you can make one yourself .


The main reason behind using the Williams M-52EHFA is that it is 8" long.
The comparable ratchets from Snap On are around 6 1/4" long.

See link for newer 72 tooth ratchet
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...=24687&supersede=&store=snapon-store&tool=all

If you do the conversion using the Williams M-52EHFA ratchet and Snap On RKRFC936 rebuild kit you get a 36 tooth compact 3/8" drive ratchet with a longer flex handle.
The longer chrome handle allows you more leverage and fits where a comfort grip handle wont.

If you prefer a long flex handle with a comfort grip then you could just get a Snap On THLF72 and put a RKRFC72 kit in it.
See links.
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...=21944&supersede=&store=snapon-store&tool=all

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...group_ID=24687&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog
 

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What kit# for a F936 handle? What kit # for 3/8 into a tm711?

Ok there is no kit for the F936 .
The last Snap On 1/2" in a 3/8" body ratchets made were 700 series so your 2 series ( 800, 900 ) too new.

The TM711 is a 700 series 1/4" drive and I covered that in my first post in this thread where I listed all of the 3/8" in a 1/4" body conversions.

The rebuild kit is RKRA70FMA but any of the older kits don't come with the cover plate .
Unless you find a dealer with old stock you will have to drill / hone / machine .... whatever it takes to enlarge the hole to to fit the 3/8" drive.

These old 700 series ratchets sell cheap on eBay $25-35 shipped so there is really no need to go to the trouble of trying to drill out a hardened cover plate.

It is much easier to just buy one of the factory conversions, (the part # 's are listed in the first post ) and sell off your existing 1/4" drive one , it will probably be about a wash.
 

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Ok whats the kit number. How about f80 to 1/2" dr?

I guess you didn't understand me or I didn't explain it well enough .

The last Snap On 1/2" in a 3/8" body ratchets made were 700 series so your now 3 series ( 800, 900 , Dual 80 ) too new with your request for one for a F80.
They currently don't make a 1/2" in a 3/8" body ratchet and havent in many ,many years.
 

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I guess you didn't understand me or I didn't explain it well enough .

The last Snap On 1/2" in a 3/8" body ratchets made were 700 series so your now 3 series ( 800, 900 , Dual 80 ) too new with your request for one for a F80.
They currently don't make a 1/2" in a 3/8" body ratchet and havent in many ,many years.

No no no, whats the kit number for the 1/2" head kit for the 700 series. I have a bunch of them already.
 

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Necrobump, but I wanted to thank Bart for this info. In case anyone finds this in a search, this is an easy confirmed package that all in costs about $45 or less.

Williams M-52EHFA 1/4" Flex Ratchet &
Snap-On RKRFC936


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ps, be careful with the t8 screws, I popped the head right off of one.
 

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If you want something to do with your spare TM830 you could convert it to a 1/4" Hex bit ratchet.

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/parts/pro_det.asp?Item_id=51136&group_id=12320

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Thanks for the picks browntown, looks good.

I'm a little confused on these bit ratchets. The snap on tm936 bit ratchet says in the specs it's a 30 tooth, but if you go by the model number it's a 36 tooth, 936 based. So did they update from the tmm830 and forgot to update the specs? Will the tm936 kit fit a 830 or a 936?
 

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kapster, that is a mistake on Snap-on's part. The RKRTM936 kit for the magnetic bit ratchet comes with a 36 teeth gear but the online parts catalog shows it as a 30 teeth gear. Somehow I missed this thread with all the good info when it first was posted but was made aware of converting a regular '936' ratchet into a magnetic bit ratchet by this thread started by member billymade:
www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157397 . I had an extra TX936--locking flexhead--and converted it into a locking flexhead bit ratchet and when the kit arrived I counted the teeth.

BTW, the regular TM936 magnetic bit ratchet is no longer available just in the set with the bits(it was a couple of months ago) if you search for it a TM72 it comes up---with no pic but a price and shows in stock-must be a 'new item' because it isn't in the catalog yet.
 
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kapster, that is a mistake on Snap-on's part. The RKRTM936 kit for the magnetic bit ratchet comes with a 36 teeth gear but the online parts catalog shows it as a 30 teeth gear. Somehow I missed this thread with all the good info when it first was posted but was made aware of converting a regular '936' ratchet into a magnetic bit ratchet by this thread started by member billymade:
www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157397 . I had an extra TX936--locking flexhead--and converted it into a locking flexhead bit ratchet and when the kit arrived I counted the teeth.

BTW, the regular TM936 magnetic bit ratchet is no longer available just in the set with the bits(it was a couple of months ago) if you search for it a TM72 it comes up---with no pic but a price and shows in stock-must be a 'new item' because it isn't in the catalog yet.

Cool find, I wondered why they haven't made a 72 tooth bit ratchet yet. Would the dual 80 be worth it or is the tm936 kit in a williams ratchet be good enough for a bit ratchet? Do you like this style bit ratchet or would something with a thumb wheel built on be better, like the wera?
 
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