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Toilet Selection???

karoc

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I know, how hard can it be just run down to HD and point “ I want that one” But I’m going ask anyway, here’s my story. It’s just 1000sq ft retirement home for two people who is getting up there in age. I figure that there’s been advances made since I purchase toilet 45 yrs ago. I’m not up to snuff on what’s out there. But I like find one that don’t have flush two times or more just get solids down and I like it to set up little higher so don’t kill my knees trying get up. For now want to set it as temporary since place still under construction. So for now I’ll be only user, it’s only me trying dry this place in.
GJ, what’s out there that I won’t have take out loan? Thanks, for all suggestions. This is truly house that GJ is building👍
 
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rooster59

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I have 3 American Standard golf ball toilets. 1 Kohler. I think 1.6 or 1.28 gal/flush. Elongated is better. Higher height is better (ergo, disability, handicap?). American standards were not the best quality. 2 AS are 4", 1 is 3". 3" works better. All 3 bottoms rock (mini-grinder), and they only glaze what you can see. Flush great but lousy at washing the bowl. Much harder to clean well. Kohler is fully glazed including under the rim & trapway, easy to clean.

Plumber friend likes Gerber. Now I see there are 0.8 gal Al Gore II toilets. You need enough water to flush and wash the bowl, I don't think 0.8 is going to do that. Do you like burritos?
 

ybnormal

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we're currently remodeling. other than elongated bowl, get one that specifies height. we got chair height and it makes a difference, even for short people like my wife (5'4")
 

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I replaced two of our toilets with Penguins that have an integrated overflow (the two toilets that the kids use most, so I wouldn't have to worry about them overflowing one and damaging the house). They've been great and don't clog, despite their best efforts, but not having to worry about an overflow is pretty great


Also, comfort height, elongated bowl. And install a grab rail to the framing
 

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American Standard Cadet is an inexpensive and good-performing toilet. Consumer Reports I'd rely upon for this type of subject, and that's one they recommend.

I agree with tall seat and oval bowl shape.

Now if you want to plan for your future, when you cannot reach-back for a thorough cleaning, then I recommend something like this. We have one, and the comfort of a warm cleansing stream and then a warm drying breeze, is something to be appreciated. The use of the features eliminates 'skid-marks,' assuming you aren't squeezing-out 'wet-farts' in-between being seated on the throne.

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BTW, that's the 'inexpensive' one... .
 

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American Standard Cadet is an inexpensive and good-performing toilet. Consumer Reports I'd rely upon for this type of subject, and that's one they recommend.

I agree with tall seat and oval bowl shape.

Now if you want to plan for your future, when you cannot reach-back for a thorough cleaning, then I recommend something like this. We have one, and the comfort of a warm cleansing stream and then a warm drying breeze, is something to be appreciated.

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BTW, that's the 'inexpensive' one... .
Bidets are great but you don't need to spend 5k to do it.
 

gtae07

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Penguins that have an integrated overflow (the two toilets that the kids use most, so I wouldn't have to worry about them overflowing one and damaging the house)
I wish I'd known about these earlier..
our eight year old clogs the toilet all the time and has overflowed it more than once :sick:
 

rlitman

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...Now if you want to plan for your future, when you cannot reach-back for a thorough cleaning, then I recommend something like this...
I'm all for a bidet seat, but so long as you stick with a standard shaped bowl (elongated, or round if you hate yourself), you'll have no problem finding much more affordable bidet seats, and there's no need for a special toilet to go with them.
 

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Whatever you do, don't have it delivered. I have video of two different FedEx drivers rolling them down my driveway...

Ship to store
 

Buckaroo5

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Just installed this one - elongated, seat height, insulated tank, golf ball toilet. Uses 1.6 rather than 1.28 gal/flush. Working well - I see they can't sell it in Kalifornia so that's means it must be good. I think I got it for $199....
 

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Just installed this one - elongated, seat height, insulated tank, golf ball toilet. Uses 1.6 rather than 1.28 gal/flush. Working well - I see they can't sell it in Kalifornia so that's means it must be good. I think I got it for $199....
That's the one.

Will flush a bucket of balls in one go, all for $200 total.

I did mine 8 years ago and has been trouble free. Added a 2nd one, it is going on 4yrs.
 

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Up to a point you get what you pay for. $250 to $500 is the sweet spot. I have had good luck with the higher end American Standard models sold by Menards. Below $250, buyer beware.

Anything over $500 IMHO you are just getting something pretty to poop in. It really does not matter.

And get an elongated bowl and extended height.

If you choose white you will have a much greater number of toilet seats to choose from.
 
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bluedog225

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There are bidet attachments for something like $25 on amazon. Work great for years.

I have a round and elongated. There’s something tidy about the round toilets. The big one seems crazy large when I use it. And the lower seat height is good exercise but a good grab bar is nice on the wall next to it.
 

PCustoms

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Did you test it?

Golf balls feel like a relatively easy flush. I need a toilet that can handle tennis balls
I think golf balls are an industry standard test actually....

But yes, this has been thoroughly tested.
 

Nick Rivers

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Best flush = air assisted Flushmate equipped toilets. Half a dozen manufacturers carry them. Gerber has 44 models to choose from:


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Install with a Fernco wax free fitting and eliminate the wax rings.

If you don't need handicap capability, stick with a lower seat height for health reasons. Higher seat height cause improper squatting posture. Higher sitting keeps a kink in your lower bowel. That forces you to work harder to push out waste. Squatting relaxes your puborectalis muscle more and straightens out your colon, giving the waste a straight route out. As a result, you can go more easily with less straining.

You can install grab bars to raise yourself up. If you are set on a higher seat height, there are inexpensive stands that allow for a squatting position.

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PoorUB

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I have two American Standard Cadet toilets in our house. I won't consider anything else. They are that good. One is the older 2" flush valve, it does ok. The newest one is a 3" flush valve. I love it! I can plug up the newer one, but it takes dome effort on my part. I have pretty health poo!
They are no frills, nothing fancy, but they work. Parts are available anywhere. I replaced the fill valve on the older one after twenty years of use. I just bought a generic Fill Master(?) valve from Home Depot. Home Depot has the rubber flush valve too.
If I needed to replace one of them it will be another AS Cadet!
 

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About a year or so ago I swapped in two Kohler Highline Arc units. They come with a soft-close seat/lid. They use a different system to dump all the water quickly for a more powerful flush.

I have an American Standard Cadet "Long bed 4x4" that we've had for 18 years or so. No problems, but it seems "cheap" vs. the Kohler.
 

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About a year or so ago I swapped in two Kohler Highline Arc units. They come with a soft-close seat/lid. They use a different system to dump all the water quickly for a more powerful flush.

I have an American Standard Cadet "Long bed 4x4" that we've had for 18 years or so. No problems, but it seems "cheap" vs. the Kohler.
Blows my mind that non soft close even still exist
 

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retirement home for two people who is getting up there in age
This is (mostly) all toilet related:

The day of our first date, my wife closed on a 1052sqft house. It is a 3bd, 1ba ranch on a slab. (emphasis on slab/no basement) I proceeded to fall head over heels for her, then I shacked up with her, and then I systematically destroyed her house. I gutted it one room at a time and re-wired, insulated, replaced windows, re-hung drywall, etc. (pulled up the nasty/bad floor tiles) I literally nuked each room down to the studs and re-wired.

I also re-piped the heating system, I rewired the whole house, I re-piped, re-ran and re-located a bunch of the air/hvac stuff, etc. At the time, my thought was that we had dogs, wanted kids: So make it bulletproof... and then rent it. Someday maybe we'll move back here when we get old. And also her dad lived alone so worst case we could put him here if we needed to.

Fast forward to now: We are still here. But actually not for long. Her dad is sick and he will be here soon.

Not toilet related: The prior owners had some hack install the central air. The installer cut a bunch of roof joists/collar ties to shove the AC return (I honestly have no clue why he put it there...) That cracked a bunch of drywall which is part of the reason why I nuked each room down to the studs. During that ceiling joist repair, I reinforced the ceiling in one of the bedrooms to make it load bearing. So we could have a s3x swing or something... Seriously: So we could put a lift in the room one day if we ever needed to put a hospital bed in that room. Just something to think about: You said "drying in". Maybe it's not too late to think about stuff like that.

I also went through every doorway and opening in the house and made everything ADA compliant. It wasn't that much extra work.

The bathroom was the hardest part: Because it is a 1052sqft house built in 1954. We did the best we could. The shower/tub is the only part of the house that is not ADA compliant. We weren't willing to take that much space away from the master bedroom, and the way that the hallway/doors are: It would have been a LOT of work, and engineered LVL's, and a royal pain in my rear-end.

If you read all that, I basically have two suggestions: Look at USA ADA compliance guides. They lay everything out pretty well in terms of spacing and placement for stuff (toilets, sinks, showers/tubs, etc.)

#2 would be that I put an electric outlet behind the toilet. My wife thought I was crazy and she even fought me on it. I thought that one day maybe my sweetheart might want a heated toilet seat to warm that beautiful part of her body that I love... And screw it: Wire is cheap when the walls are blown out...

Never in a million years did we ever expect her father to get cancer, and for his chemo meds to cause nephropathy (which includes cold sensitivity). So that stupid dedicated 20A circuit I put behind the toilet (unfortunately) paid off. But think about it. A receptacle behind the toilet is a pain in the rear end to add later...

Oh! I forgot...
#3 wall blocking!
PUT BLOCKING IN THE WALLS BETWEEN THE STUDS! Read the ADA manuals, etc. and see where they suggest to put hand grabs, railings, etc. Leave enough room around your toilet so you can go in from the front on a wheelchair if you need. And put enough blocking in the walls so that you can put hand grabs and railings... Basically everywhere. You just cut (I used 2x6 and 2x8) sections and nail them between the studs, and then you take LOTS of pictures, so that when you actually need to put in a hand railing, you can reference back to your photos, as well as any ADA manual/guide/documents. And all the locations/heights will be documented via your US tax dollars.

Look for a toilet that is ADA compliant. I have another friend who's mother just fell and broke her femur+hip. He text me today (looking for help and saying) that he is shopping for a toilet that is "wheelchair height".

Best!
 

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Blows my mind that non soft close even still exist
My toilet up at camp isn't soft close, usually gets me once a trip. I should probably change it before I crack the porcelain from it slamming.
 

no704

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Have an American standard tall and elongated bowl I got from a buddy that was running a HD clearance shop. Thing is great. If u quick flush the handle it only does like 1/3 tank.
 

thammel

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I really like our Toto Drakes. Have 3 of them now. These are high seat, elongated bowl. They flush very well and have been very reliable. You can order them from build.com or ferguson.com.
 
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