Tool Box titles????

[leod]

titles for toolboxes, why do you need one? just buy a cheaper box instead spending 15-20K on a box.

 

[Theloniousmonk]

BS. Show me a link to a federal, state, or local ordinance law regarding the sale or transfer of ownership of Rolex watches...

self regulated market.


I still don't see any valid reason why not... we should have a notarized proof of ownership that is backed up by the state on anything of value... good revenue generator for the state, and piece of mind for the lenders/owners... guns should be one of the first things that get a title slapped on them.

 

[jmh21586]

self regulated market.


I still don't see any valid reason why not... we should have a notarized proof of ownership that is backed up by the state on anything of value...

Because we don't need more government involvement in our lives.

good revenue generator for the state,

I'm guessing this is what it's all about for you.

guns should be one of the first things that get a title slapped on them.

Why? So they can come get them some day?

 

[jmh21586]

States have plenty of revenue. They have a spending problem. Spending problems cannot be solved by more revenue.

 

[Theloniousmonk]

Because we don't need more government involvement in our lives.

It seems alot more people do than we admit.

I'm guessing this is what it's all about for you.

I want my roads fixed and I want my kids to have well funded schools.

Why? So they can come get them some day?

Probably not.



IF you can't read teh sarcasm in my previous comments, i'm sorry.

 

[jmh21586]

It seems alot more people do than we admit.

Wanting and needing are two different things.

I want my roads fixed and I want my kids to have well funded schools.

Then have all the gas taxes and vehicle taxes and registration fees going to the roads specifically. Schools ARE well funded. The money is poorly spent and too much is lost in the bearucracy.

IF you can't read teh sarcasm in my previous comments, i'm sorry.

Apology accepted. Hard to tell........still not sure.

 

[Roots]

IF you can't read teh sarcasm in my previous comments, i'm sorry.

I thought it was pretty funny

+1 for being against additional non-essential regulation and taxation.

 

[Chris Adams]

If you guys haven't figured things out yet, the "titles" you have to ATV's, boats, campers, trailers, cars, trucks and property has nothing to do with who "own's" them, who has a lein on them or to be able to sell them. The only purpose for a title is that it allows a government agency to know where it is and to be able to TAX the item.

That's it, Taxes, nothing more and nothing less.

snip.

Of course you are right.
The ONLY purpose of a title is to tax and regulate it.
People were buying and selling houses, land, horses, even motor vehicles quite nicely, including liens, financing, etc. before each of these things was 'titled'

Just imagine the additional cost of a tool box if the DMV could get its fingers in that pie...

Big loser, every consumer, big winner, government agencies.
Resale value drops like a stone, new prices shoot through the ceiling, or heaven for pro government people.

 

[mrholeshot]

It doesn't have to be state regulated but a Certifcate of origin (non motor vehicle title). You Just keep adding a bill of sale to it each time it's sold. The COO shouldn't be released to the buyer until it's paid for. This protects all the future buyers of that box. It was just a thought.

 

[mrholeshot]

Of course you are right.
The ONLY purpose of a title is to tax and regulate it.
People were buying and selling houses, land, horses, even motor vehicles quite nicely, including liens, financing, etc. before each of these things was 'titled'

Just imagine the additional cost of a tool box if the DMV could get its fingers in that pie...

Big loser, every consumer, big winner, government agencies.
Resale value drops like a stone, new prices shoot through the ceiling, or heaven for pro government people.

If we didn't have titles anybody could walk up and tow off your vehicles and claim ownership. land has had deeds since the white man took it over from the native Americans. The native Americans didn't have deeds and you see what happened to them.

 

[84bimmer]

Wanting and needing are two different things.



Then have all the gas taxes and vehicle taxes and registration fees going to the roads specifically. Schools ARE well funded. The money is poorly spent and too much is lost in the bearucracy.








Apology accepted. Hard to tell........still not sure.

Schools are well funded my ***..........Maybe in the nicer neighborhoods. But just this year virtually all the poor ghetto schools were shut down in the Kansas City area. Forcing these kids to goto schools in other neighborhoods. This created much more gang violence and crime. I'll bet you'd like your kids to be stuck in this kind of situation. Who wouldn't? Does it even really need to be mentioned that these kids were being shat on by these school districts well before any of this happened? For these schools the typical graduation rate is 30-40 %. Well funded indeed. Sure mismanaged funds and BS politics plays a role to some extent, but there is no excuse for this garbage.

I can't imagine what it's like up in the ******** of America, Detroit.

 

[Chris Adams]

If we didn't have titles anybody could walk up and tow off your vehicles and claim ownership. land has had deeds since the white man took it over from the native Americans. The native Americans didn't have deeds and you see what happened to them.

Um, you should read/study some non-PC corrected history.
None of what you said is true, just popular to say.
You might also find out what a Deed is, what the piece of paper means, what the difference between legal and lawful is.

But it is much easier to just rattle off PC bumper sticker responses, isn't it?

By the way, the world oddly, didn't start 200 years ago.


Simple fact, non-PC, thus not taught.
Ownership has nothing to do with a deed, title, registration, etc.
Ownership is a factor of brute force. Period.
The guy doesn't take your car not because you have a piece of paper, but because a cop will shoot him, at least, in theory, if he take it.

Car registration and titles have zero to do with the law enforcing property rights (something that neither requires or involves registration) and is considered a TAX. Ask the federal and state governments.
If you pay a fee to a private registration company, it is not deductible as a Tax. DMV fees are.

Gee, why don't I just take your mailbox? You haven't registered it have you?
How about the freaking shirt off your back? Got a title? Or you lawn flamingos?

Or heck, I'll just drive into the local auto shop and just roll away the tool boxes. They aren't registered with the DMV, thus nobody owns them...
Or how silly can you get.

 

[mrholeshot]

Um, you should read/study some non-PC corrected history.
None of what you said is true, just popular to say.
You might also find out what a Deed is, what the piece of paper means, what the difference between legal and lawful is.

But it is much easier to just rattle off PC bumper sticker responses, isn't it?

By the way, the world oddly, didn't start 200 years ago.


Simple fact, non-PC, thus not taught.
Ownership has nothing to do with a deed, title, registration, etc.
Ownership is a factor of brute force. Period.
The guy doesn't take your car not because you have a piece of paper, but because a cop will shoot him, at least, in theory, if he take it.

Car registration and titles have zero to do with the law enforcing property rights (something that neither requires or involves registration) and is considered a TAX. Ask the federal and state governments.
If you pay a fee to a private registration company, it is not deductible as a Tax. DMV fees are.

Gee, why don't I just take your mailbox? You haven't registered it have you?
How about the freaking shirt off your back? Got a title? Or you lawn flamingos?

Or heck, I'll just drive into the local auto shop and just roll away the tool boxes. They aren't registered with the DMV, thus nobody owns them...
Or how silly can you get.

I feel dumber for just reading that post

 

[Theloniousmonk]

I feel dumber for just reading that post

 

[Underdog]

Maybe wives should too.

How about guns too, they get stolen all the time.

 

[mikebramel]

Um, you should read/study some non-PC corrected history.
None of what you said is true, just popular to say.
You might also find out what a Deed is, what the piece of paper means, what the difference between legal and lawful is.

But it is much easier to just rattle off PC bumper sticker responses, isn't it?

By the way, the world oddly, didn't start 200 years ago.


Simple fact, non-PC, thus not taught.
Ownership has nothing to do with a deed, title, registration, etc.
Ownership is a factor of brute force. Period.
The guy doesn't take your car not because you have a piece of paper, but because a cop will shoot him, at least, in theory, if he take it.

Car registration and titles have zero to do with the law enforcing property rights (something that neither requires or involves registration) and is considered a TAX. Ask the federal and state governments.
If you pay a fee to a private registration company, it is not deductible as a Tax. DMV fees are.

Gee, why don't I just take your mailbox? You haven't registered it have you?
How about the freaking shirt off your back? Got a title? Or you lawn flamingos?

Or heck, I'll just drive into the local auto shop and just roll away the tool boxes. They aren't registered with the DMV, thus nobody owns them...
Or how silly can you get.

good points

 

[mikebramel]

Schools are well funded my ***..........Maybe in the nicer neighborhoods. But just this year virtually all the poor ghetto schools were shut down in the Kansas City area. Forcing these kids to goto schools in other neighborhoods. This created much more gang violence and crime. I'll bet you'd like your kids to be stuck in this kind of situation. Who wouldn't? Does it even really need to be mentioned that these kids were being shat on by these school districts well before any of this happened? For these schools the typical graduation rate is 30-40 %. Well funded indeed. Sure mismanaged funds and BS politics plays a role to some extent, but there is no excuse for this garbage.

I can't imagine what it's like up in the ******** of America, Detroit.

LOL so only 30% of kids graduate and that is the schools fault because the kids show up high, dont pay attention or dont show up at all? riiiiight

FIX: THROW MORE MONEY AT IT LOLOLOLOL

 

[Theloniousmonk]

How about guns too, they get stolen all the time.

I already mentioned that... it's a no-go.

LOL so only 30% of kids graduate and that is the schools fault because the kids show up high, dont pay attention or dont show up at all? riiiiight

FIX: THROW MORE MONEY AT IT LOLOLOLOL

too complex of an issue to reduce it down to drugs, violence, and lack of interest... seriously.

KC school district itself admitted the closures were due to funding, story is maybe 6mo. old? KC was one of the first large school districts to experiment w/ busing rich/poor kids to same schools and making damned sure each building recieved the same % of $$$ per kid... KC has run out of funding because the toolbox tax was struck down by voters in 2008.

 

[mrholeshot]

LOL so only 30% of kids graduate and that is the schools fault because the kids show up high, dont pay attention or dont show up at all? riiiiight

FIX: THROW MORE MONEY AT IT LOLOLOLOL

Yeah lets blame all poor education on the students. There are some smart kids out there ready to learn but can't because of fear of being shot, they are cold, piss poor teachers, etc. You can't expect any more out of a child than what you put into them. You can put almost any child in a good enviroment with good teachers and they will do well. That takes money.

 

[jmh21586]

Forcing these kids to goto schools in other neighborhoods.

Forcing them to go to school in better neighborhoods?

For these schools the typical graduation rate is 30-40 %.

Blame that on bad parenting. If you don't care about your childs education, they will do poorly no matter where they go. Urban areas are notorious for certain groups of people that are bad parents and don't care. Dad not around, etc.

I can't imagine what it's like up in the ******** of America, Detroit.

Black communities where crime and gangs run rampant? These people run out all the good productive citizens leaving little tax base to support schools.

 

[Jayincali]

How about guns too, they get stolen all the time.

DOJ already does, the little number on the gun is called a serial number, and if you legally bought the gun then DOJ has it on record.

 

[Kirbot]

I don't know about other parts of the country, but you would be shocked at the amount of waste in schools here in Nj.

Not every problem can be fixed simply by throwing more money at it.
I'm sure there are some badly underfunded schools out there, but many of them would do better simply by firing all the un-needed, overpayed, employees, must of whom, are not teachers.



....Wait, what was this topic supposed to be about again?

Oh ok, no I don't think tool boxes should be registered.
But then, I would never drop 20 grand on one either.

 

[mrholeshot]

Hell I started the thread and forgot what it was about. I was busy doing a photoshoot

 

[Kirbot]

Hell I started the thread and forgot what it was about. I was busy doing a photoshoot

Photoshoot?

You.. were kidding about the manboob threat, right?

......Right?

 

[mrholeshot]

Photoshoot?

You.. were kidding about the manboob threat, right?

......Right?

It ain't 8 yet? Keep checking back

 

[Kirbot]

noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

.....................

 

[RbrtAWhyt]

self regulated market.

Means absolutely nothing.

 

[Theloniousmonk]

Means absolutely nothing.

Really? maybe to outsiders.

It's the same idea of not having any outside governing intervention or regulation of a market, when it is perfectly capable of cycling and self regulating through trends and internal influence and whatnot...which as i have read, is exactly what the majority of people in this thread advocate.

If you are in the market for a real rolex at a real-life price, you'll know what/where/who... if you are looking for a rolex for $50, then it's your own fault...

 

[GeorgiaHybrid]

DOJ already does, the little number on the gun is called a serial number, and if you legally bought the gun then DOJ has it on record.

You must live in one of the communist states. Down here we don't register guns unless they are fully automatic (true class III weapon) or a AOW firearm. The ATF knows the dealer the weapon was sold to and can track that first buyer thru the form but after that? Good luck....

 

[Arnie C]

You must live in one of the communist states. Down here we don't register guns unless they are fully automatic (true class III weapon) or a AOW firearm. The ATF knows the dealer the weapon was sold to and can track that first buyer thru the form but after that? Good luck....

Same way in glorious Wisconsin. Private sale is cash & carry, just the way it should be.

 

[jmh21586]

I think it's that way in most states no? Private seller to private seller?


You only have to do the paperwork when buying from a dealer. New or used.

 

[RbrtAWhyt]

Really? maybe to outsiders.

It's the same idea of not having any outside governing intervention or regulation of a market, when it is perfectly capable of cycling and self regulating through trends and internal influence and whatnot...which as i have read, is exactly what the majority of people in this thread advocate.

If you are in the market for a real rolex at a real-life price, you'll know what/where/who... if you are looking for a rolex for $50, then it's your own fault...

That still means nothing with regard to titles or certificates of ownership or anything else. All of which can be faked, just like rolex watchs. Buyers of high dollar items can get taken just like buyers of low dollar items. IF you know what your buying and where to get it, a piece of paper doesn't mean anything. If it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy that your expensive watch came with a certificate of ownership, more power to you. Dont buy anything without one...

 

[RAYJAY]

I don't know about other parts of the country, but you would be shocked at the amount of waste in schools here in Nj.

Not every problem can be fixed simply by throwing more money at it.
I'm sure there are some badly underfunded schools out there, but many of them would do better simply by firing all the un-needed, overpayed, employees, must of whom, are not teachers.



....Wait, what was this topic supposed to be about again?

Oh ok, no I don't think tool boxes should be registered.
But then, I would never drop 20 grand on one either.

+1 on that 20 grand too many people have been drinking the red kool-aid