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KoJo

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Opinions? Sure. But my $24 ratchet does just fine with 35-year-old rusted suspension and axle components. This is the 4th dentside Ford that I have owned and modified over the past 12 years (not counting my '85, '88, '91, '97, '06, and '07 trucks). All with the same few ratchets. Oh...and those pieces of pipe under the truck were used on the handle of my $24 ratchet with good success




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But are you using that $24 ratchet for most of the day every day?
 
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Ahhhh...

Electronics are a different ball game my friend :thumbup:

Are you sure? I know someone with a welder he got HF that he was able to weld exhaust with beautiful welds with proper penatration...
 

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lol truck brands have never been meant for the non professional. They don't even market to guys off the route. If you turned a wrench professionally you would grow to understand why guys prefer a snap on wrench to a craftsman, not all tho. I personally like armstrong ratchets, the handles just feel right. I'm not a snap on fan boy or exclusive, but having turned wrenches professionally since 18, I notice the difference. This does not derate your claim to liking "xbrand" tools, thats totally cool and whatever you turn keep turning because wrenching is a dieing art. Trucks provide an invaluable service to professionals, companies trust snap on enough to let them put in permanent snap on stores in large hangar facilities. I mean no offense I just think it is silly to chime in on trucks and how "pointless" they are if you do not wrench professionally and are not the trucks purpose nor are you the intended customer. Box stores do make sense for 98% of the tool consumers and are generally adequate.

And I know guys that can weld with a campbell hausfield as good if not better than most guys who have millers..... Does that mean it's silly to have a miller because it costs more and does the same general thing?

This thread is an ego trip. It honestly seems to me that the truck brand guys come off far less smug than the box store guys. I just like tools, I use them to get a paycheck, I like value and know that value cannot be judged by spending less, often in my experience I feel I get much more value out of my set of snap on combo's than my craftsman while my craftsman duckbills are just as good as a pair of knipex duckbills. If I had a truck stopping by the hangar on a regular basis with a good driver I would probably not shop anywhere else. Trucks are outstandingly convenient with the right guy at the wheel.
 

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After asking a Snap On dealer 3 times to get me a 3/8 flex head ratchet, I gave up and bought it from eBay instead, brand new half price. Arrived in 3 days. You can't beat for service.
 

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CONVENIENCE:

You wrench 12-14 hours a day, 6 days a week and then we'll see how much "shopping" you get done. Ah, that cold beer and shower can wait, I'm goin shopping!. The convenience is the fact that you dont have to do that.

Big box stores do not carry the specialized tools needed to perform auto repair (which SO, Matco, etc. were started for) on a professional level. The tool is being brought to you personaly, that's convienience.

Not having to pay full price at the time of purchase. Keep the tab down (under $500.00), 20 bucks a week... sounds pretty convient to me.


If you dont work in the industry that Snap On, Matco, Cornwell & MAC were designed for, you really dont have a right to get up and talk **** about them, plain & simple and those that ***** about why Snap On wont service their weekend shade tree mechanics, why should they? They're not a "public" type business.
 

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CONVENIENCE:

You wrench 12-14 hours a day, 6 days a week and then we'll see how much "shopping" you get done. Ah, that cold beer and shower can wait, I'm goin shopping!. The convenience is the fact that you dont have to do that.

Big box stores do not carry the specialized tools needed to perform auto repair (which SO, Matco, etc. were started for) on a professional level. The tool is being brought to you personaly, that's convienience.

Not having to pay full price at the time of purchase. Keep the tab down (under $500.00), 20 bucks a week... sounds pretty convient to me.


If you dont work in the industry that Snap On, Matco, Cornwell & MAC were designed for, you really dont have a right to get up and talk **** about them, plain & simple and those that ***** about why Snap On wont service their weekend shade tree mechanics, why should they? They're not a "public" type business.

Amen
 

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CONVENIENCE:

You wrench 12-14 hours a day, 6 days a week and then we'll see how much "shopping" you get done. Ah, that cold beer and shower can wait, I'm goin shopping!. The convenience is the fact that you dont have to do that.

Big box stores do not carry the specialized tools needed to perform auto repair (which SO, Matco, etc. were started for) on a professional level. The tool is being brought to you personaly, that's convienience.

Not having to pay full price at the time of purchase. Keep the tab down (under $500.00), 20 bucks a week... sounds pretty convient to me.


If you dont work in the industry that Snap On, Matco, Cornwell & MAC were designed for, you really dont have a right to get up and talk **** about them, plain & simple and those that ***** about why Snap On wont service their weekend shade tree mechanics, why should they? They're not a "public" type business.

So good it deserves to be quoted two times in a row!
 
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On what planet???

I can't think of a single big box store that has anything but the "bare bones" basics. I don't think you can even buy an individual socket at Home Crapo or Wal Mart!!

First off Earth secondly if you're a pro shopping at Walmart for your tools either you're misguided and will learn or you employer is underpaying you. Home Depot, Lowes, Ace and any auto store have individual sockets.
 
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I want to now where I ever said "tool trucks ****" or Snappy *****....I love their tools, I love to shop the truck however the point of convenience people make is a pretty mute one, from my experience and apparently others. I started this thread not to bash anything but to see if I'm missing something when people use convenience as an excuse to buy.

As for me I work at YRC, http://www.yrc.com/, you know where Yellow, Bestway, Reddaway etc merge into one.....doesn't get too much bigger then that so I believe insinuating my Job is beneath qualification for discussion is a mute argument aswell.
 

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To me the question is,,, is the opinion fairly accurate or just an opinion? On occasion I think Hibal can assume I am anti truck, actually quite the opposite. Where my opinion may differ is if I think it all makes any difference, my view is its not worth it to the new guy thats asking, that he can never gsain the return, that his money is better spent on some books than "better" tools. I also think the busted knuckle from inferior tool is highly over rated and 95% of those will hurt themselves with any tool.

I skin myself only rarely on occasion anymore and it usually doesnt have much to do with the tool. Almost all due to hurry.

their tools don't shatter in the middle of a job , like all that cheap *** Chinese JUNK at the big box store
Just had this happen. Doing brakes on my neighbors jeep grand Cherokee. Whoever worked on it before me put his impact on the caliper bolts and counted to 5 after it was tight. Broke 2 Kobalt sockets trying to get it loose. Cornwell ratchet held up fine and needed a Cornwell socket to finally break it loose. Kobalt socket walls just cracked down the side. Deep and shallow 14mm. Now since there is a lowes everywhere they were easy to warranty. If I had broken the Cornwell my replacements would have been a phone call away since I am friends with the driver. I understand most don't have this option
 

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I didn't read the entire thread, but I would argue that amazon with a prime account is much more convenient. Free two day shipping right to my door is excellent, and supplies can be automatically subscribed to (I go through around 3 rolls of shop rags a month, or I set up a recurring order of a case of 6 rolls every 2 months). It also gives the convenience of shopping different brands and automatically price-sorts whatever I need.

However, I'm just a hobbyist who doesn't know the convenience of a tool truck so take it all with a grain of salt. However, I put a very high premium on convenience and my time at work (so does my employer) and I understand how valuable that can be. I just don't see what the value could be in having a snap on truck show up vs a ups truck. Either way, I get the tools I need to get the job done, but amazon has treated me extremely well in that regard.
 
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I buy and have bought from the tools trucks for as long as I have been a mechanic. Currently the SO man gets my money when I buy from a tool truck, but I also buy online. SO man gets my money because of customer service. There are some things that cheaper stuff will hold up just fine, like 1/2" drive impact sockets. But 3/8 ratchets and sockets, cheap stuff hasnt worked out well for me. And yes SO breaks, everything breaks. But when I break a SO socket I call the SO dealer and have it swapped out in less than a day.
 

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First off, I don't ever recall calling someone out for their justification on a tool purchase. But if you want my justification as to the brands I buy...well, my tools do the same thing as the truck brands for a fraction of the price while being easier to locate, buy, and warranty (for the most part). Yes, this is just my opinion and experience over the past 11 years wrenching on rusted trucks. You may have your own and that is completely fine.

You did, You Have and i quoted it below for Clarity...

I think 95% of the people who praise the tool trucks, talking about the convenience and service...are just trying to justify the cost any way they can. You pay $400 for a 14 piece socket set & ratchet and you can't think of any other reason to pay that rediculus price other than "well...he comes to me once a week so I don't have to drive 15 minutes to the store for it whenever I want"


But please...keep spreading the word that they are "convenient" to justify the price...

SO and other truck-brand owners have their head shoved so far up their *** it ain't funny.






Now, as to my 'hatred' toward SO flaunting crowd...there are dozens of threads on here where the average joe, and even mechanics asks about a certian tool brand to buy. They will specifically point out in their OP that they do not want to pay Snap-On prices. But guess what...?...The next 3 outta 5 posts are someone praising SO and telling the OP that they should buy the SO tool. :wtf: My cordless impact thread I started a while back is a perfect example.

Again.. If you want to be Honest.. The same can be said for someone wanting a USA Made tool and People jump in with comments such as Buy Brand X, Its Just as Good... both Sides are guilty.



SO and other truck-brand owners have their head shoved so far up their *** it ain't funny. THIS is exactly why I feel the way I do. It's not the tool I don't like...it's the snobby attitude that gets thrown around on this board so much. If you don't own Snap-On, everything you own is ****

Again.. Judging Others based of there "Justification" Really? Why does it Matter, Does someone else's tool brand upset you that much?
 
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Again.. Judging Others based of there "Justification" Really? Why does it Matter, Does someone else's tool brand upset you that much?

To jump in, I think it's just a fairly common personality trait with adult human males.

It usually goes like this.

1) Person 'A' sez that they don't like some product or that it's overpriced (Dodge trucks, Snap-on socket set, whatever). You do have to wonder why they call a huge pickup truck a 'Dodge' or a 'Ram' though.
2) Person 'B' has one of those and assumes that 'A' is making fun of their personal stuff.
3) 'B' then decides that 'A' is saying that they are stupid because 'A' made fun of their personal stuff.

Some people just find it practically impossible to talk about the world abstractly. It's all about their own experiences or their own dragon trove of **** they've purchased over time.

Personally, since I can't imagine needing more tools (aside from some specialty thing or the other), I just pick out new ones to buy based on how cool looking they are. My magpie brain likes Nepros adjustable wrenches, Wera Zyklops, and those NWS sideways grabbing pliers.
 

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Wow...another one of these threads. I am very pro-Snap-On and you know what you will never find from me? A thread started about discount store brands not being a value/good investment. You know why? I don't give a rat's *** about your tools, his tools or her tools. I don't care what people do with their money. I don't care if their 5.00 ratchet lasts a decade, a millennia or until 6:00 that day. So why do you OP? If you don't think it is a value, great, move along, Sears could desperately need your purchases to stay afloat, get in the car and go buy as much as you can.

The only time my SO guy has not had the tool I wanted the same day on the truck is when it is a specialty item. The only time I have not received a warranty replacement the same day is when it has needed to be sent out to be repaired. He cuts me deals, he hooks me up, he is always friendly, he has 2 fully stocked trucks and employs a few other people to make sure we are visited the same time, twice a week, every week.

I have a person like the OP at my current fleet. He has very little SO, very vocal against them. Most of the time his store brand stuff holds up, but I am at the point where I just remind him the days and times that SO is here so he can buy his own 3050 air hammer, because I now refuse to let him borrow mine.

So, if you don't see a value in the tools, feel they are a step above or worth the price tag. Then don't buy them. End of story. With all that money you saved there should be no reason for you not to have the tool you need, so you don't even have to borrow one of those brand tools and be inconvenienced by the horrible affliction of even seeing their logo.
 
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Opinions? Sure. But my $24 ratchet does just fine with 35-year-old rusted suspension and axle components. This is the 4th dentside Ford that I have owned and modified over the past 12 years (not counting my '85, '88, '91, '97, '06, and '07 trucks). All with the same few ratchets. Oh...and those pieces of pipe under the truck were used on the handle of my $24 ratchet with good success




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This post is retarded. You aren't making a paycheck based on how long it takes you with your 24.00 ratchet and how long the book tells you it should take.
 

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I have a excellent SO driver, I never pay list price for anything, he always makes deals, He never questions warranty Hes truck is well stocked, but I do pay more for the simple fact that if I text hiom I need a " insert random tool here " he either stops by or I meet up with him on the way home. I dont have a sears local anymore , so thats no longer an option, Lowes is close. Local hardware store makes snap on look cheap. Could I save money driving to Lowes for tools, in the long run maybe,
 
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I have no hatred toward brands of tools...just their owners and their smug attitudes.


SO and other truck-brand owners have their head shoved so far up their *** it ain't funny.

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I don't see anybody talking to you like this, seems like you are the one in here attacking everyone.
Instead of telling me how much you hate me because of the tools in my box why don't you tell me about that project ford instead. Always liked that body style.
 

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So you are saying that these things in the plant are being constantly taken apart again and again? So its not the same as car engine or an aircraft engine where it goes through different temperature fluctuations, and loads, rust, weathering. Plus plant machinery is maintained differently than cars and aircraft.

im sorry but a car goes from 220 to -30. the machinery i work on can go from -30 to 1200+ so yes it DOES go through temperature changes all the same.

and YES they do get taken apart EVERY DAY to change sizes on things. so what are you going to attempt to find next to try to justify cars as being the hardest thing in the world to work on?

gimme a f-in break
 

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CONVENIENCE:

You wrench 12-14 hours a day, 6 days a week and then we'll see how much "shopping" you get done. Ah, that cold beer and shower can wait, I'm goin shopping!. The convenience is the fact that you dont have to do that.

Big box stores do not carry the specialized tools needed to perform auto repair (which SO, Matco, etc. were started for) on a professional level. The tool is being brought to you personaly, that's convienience.

Not having to pay full price at the time of purchase. Keep the tab down (under $500.00), 20 bucks a week... sounds pretty convient to me.


If you dont work in the industry that Snap On, Matco, Cornwell & MAC were designed for, you really dont have a right to get up and talk **** about them, plain & simple and those that ***** about why Snap On wont service their weekend shade tree mechanics, why should they? They're not a "public" type business.


worked just as much. 7 days a week during the summer when the plant runs for 6 and mechanics work the 7th to do repairs and maintenance you can't do when it's running. and you do it for more than a couple months, plus shutdowns which are 12s for 3 weeks 7 days a week. same sort of time ball game.

and i'll tell ya, sayin that it's worth the price so you don't have to spend 30 minutes grabbin somethin at a store is worth it is dumb. the justification of spending that much more for something based on the fact that you aren't going to go "shopping" is like saying you pay 50 bucks for a burger and fries delivered to you so you don't have to go "shopping" to get dinner after work, which would mean just going out, and getting what you know you wanted and going home.


for some reason the guys who preach tool trucks seem to think they are the only ones that have ever worked a day in their lives, and just the last part of the quote itself is a good reason why people don't like the truck brands or the fanboys who try to be 100% that brand. because they get an attitude that if you don't use them, you aren't a professional, and if you are a professional and you aren't using them, then you don't know what you are doing.
 
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To jump in, I think it's just a fairly common personality trait with adult human males.

It usually goes like this.

1) Person 'A' sez that they don't like some product or that it's overpriced (Dodge trucks, Snap-on socket set, whatever). You do have to wonder why they call a huge pickup truck a 'Dodge' or a 'Ram' though.
2) Person 'B' has one of those and assumes that 'A' is making fun of their personal stuff.
3) 'B' then decides that 'A' is saying that they are stupid because 'A' made fun of their personal stuff.

Some people just find it practically impossible to talk about the world abstractly. It's all about their own experiences or their own dragon trove of **** they've purchased over time.

Personally, since I can't imagine needing more tools (aside from some specialty thing or the other), I just pick out new ones to buy based on how cool looking they are. My magpie brain likes Nepros adjustable wrenches, Wera Zyklops, and those NWS sideways grabbing pliers.


I Agree... and it boils down to People think they need to Defend there Purchases... and sometimes they might take exception, when someone simply gives there opinion. I spend way too much time reading threads here at GJ, I think if you go back and Read some of "ATC's" Posts, It becomes fairly Obvious that he dislikes "Tool Trucks" and thinks makes it "Blatantly" Obvious that anyone who's opinion differs from "His" has Well...

SO and other truck-brand owners have their head shoved so far up their *** it ain't funny.

Quoted for Clarity..


Obviously he is Entitled to his Opinion, And Yes there are "Button Pushers" on the Opposite side of the Spectrum.. Cant Deny it. The Real Question is Why do we have to continue down this Road of Back and Forth? I Dunno.. Like i Said earlier maybe its Just Me, Maybe im just getting fed up on a Personal Level. I Used to Enjoy coming here, Getting a Chance to Actually Put User Name to Face all at the Same time get some enjoyment out of a Simple Thank you.. Now.. Its either my Tools are Better because they Cost more or My tools are Better because they cost a 1/4th of what yours did. Ive seen Every Angle that can possibly be typed in regards to Brand Wars.... In the End. What the Hell does it Matter? What are you trying to Accomplish? To Each there Own...
 
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About 10 years ago a small mom and pop hardware store turned in some paperwork to the DoD to become a military supplier. They never heard back for awhile but finally after a year or so they received a fax with a bid sheet from the military. A military mechanic needed about $10 worth of bolts and nuts over in the ME to repair a helicopter. So they thought what a joke of an order. They jokingly put down $7,000 or something as the bid amount. And the DoD actually sent them the money. They never thought the military would be that dumb. They made about $3 million before the military auditors caught it. And by then it was too late. One of the owners of the hardware place was dead, and most of the money was spent.

I doubt it. This is just another "urban legend".
 
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once you have been here for a few years, you will figure it out... This place used to have "real tool discussions". Maybe its just me... But these whole classifications such as "anti-tool guys" or "kool aid drinkers" is getting old on a personal level. How many times can a person type the same **** over and over and not get tired of it? Maybe its just a sign of the times for me.. Im not bashing your opinion, its yours.. You can copy/paste it as many times as you feel necessary. I just wonder sometimes.. Enjoy your discussions fella's.

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When you get down to it, it's hard to avoid the following changes over time:

. The cost of most (all?) manufactured goods has dropped over time. Margins drop, and companies have to grow or die.
. Supply chains are thinning out. In the long run, the war (at least in terms of approaches) will be between UPS-style delivery (ie. Amazon) and huge warehouses o' stuff (ie. Costco), both of which will be attached via an umbilical directly to a maker of stuff.

I keep waiting for car dealerships to be owned by manufacturers, but that's largely a legal and political problem.

Agree.
 

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How many tools are you guys really breaking?

I hear this about how you simply wouldn't have the time to get a tool warrantied at other outlets, are you really breaking tools left and right to the point where you need someone to come by weekly to replace your broken tools? Then you're clearly not using your tools properly.

And then there's the other side of the argument. If your high-end Snap-On tools are breaking on a regular basis to the point where you need weekly replacements, they're obviously not great tools worth the ridiculous premium.
 

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im sorry but a car goes from 220 to -30. the machinery i work on can go from -30 to 1200+ so yes it DOES go through temperature changes all the same.

and YES they do get taken apart EVERY DAY to change sizes on things. so what are you going to attempt to find next to try to justify cars as being the hardest thing in the world to work on?

gimme a f-in break

And I take it you are paid hourly?

Here is the difference between your work and the work a person like me goes through. One I am paid flat rate, not hourly so time is money.

Two, the machinery you are working on is being taken apart EVERYDAY, yes I work on cars everyday but its a different car everyday and alot of the coponents have been untouched for anywhere from two to ten years. So it is different. Alot of the components are not lubricated and are pretty well bonded at times.
 

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And I take it you are paid hourly?

Here is the difference between your work and the work a person like me goes through. One I am paid flat rate, not hourly so time is money.

Two, the machinery you are working on is being taken apart EVERYDAY, yes I work on cars everyday but its a different car everyday and alot of the coponents have been untouched for anywhere from two to ten years. So it is different. Alot of the components are not lubricated and are pretty well bonded at times.

some machines don't get serviced but once in a long while as well. and its the same ball game with lubrication, you get bearing caps that needed grease 2 years ago and never got it, and things that needed lube daily that don't get it.

oh and you wanna talk about hourly vs non?

honestly, if you don't get a job done quicker, you lose some money.

if a mechanic who has to get production machine back up and running doesn't get them back up in a timely manner, you get written up for job performance AND FIRED. no job vs a little less money? yeah you got is hard kid



oh wait no i take that back, you are right, if you aren't working on cars you just kind of lazily walk your *** around for a while, kickin dust up until you feel like working. forgot about that.


I Agree... and it boils down to People think they need to Defend there Purchases... and sometimes they might take exception, when someone simply gives there opinion. I spend way too much time reading threads here at GJ, I think if you go back and Read some of "ATC's" Posts, It becomes fairly Obvious that he dislikes "Tool Trucks" and thinks makes it "Blatantly" Obvious that anyone who's opinion differs from "His" has Well...



Quoted for Clarity..


Obviously he is Entitled to his Opinion, And Yes there are "Button Pushers" on the Opposite side of the Spectrum.. Cant Deny it. The Real Question is Why do we have to continue down this Road of Back and Forth? I Dunno.. Like i Said earlier maybe its Just Me, Maybe im just getting fed up on a Personal Level. I Used to Enjoy coming here, Getting a Chance to Actually Put User Name to Face all at the Same time get some enjoyment out of a Simple Thank you.. Now.. Its either my Tools are Better because they Cost more or My tools are Better because they cost a 1/4th of what yours did. Ive seen Every Angle that can possibly be typed in regards to Brand Wars.... In the End. What the Hell does it Matter? What are you trying to Accomplish? To Each there Own...


true enough, for myself it's more along the lines of that when someone asks what to buy i just say "buy what works, and use it right, theres no right or wrong answer, just don't buy something because it's expensive". nothing worse than seeing a new guy walking around with a whole bunch of new shiny stuff and then seeing him skipping lunches because he's broke until his next paycheck.

i'd never tell someone that the absolute best is a certain brand for a certain kind of work, because it's a flat out lie, there is no best for any line of work unless that company has a monopoly on a certain tool.


and i'm gonna bow out of this thread before it gets too ridiculous to even reply to. already about fell out of my chair when kojo went from "cars are dirty and rust, thats why we need snap-on" to "cars change in temperature and get worked on every day, thats why we need snap-on"...... he's probably right, no other line of mechanics has to work on old or worn out or rusted equipment, and no other line of mechanic has to work every day, only the auto mechanics turn a wrench every day, the rest of us take nap breaks in between tv time at work.


i'll leave this thread to die somewhere in the pile of the other hate threads



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I buy Snap On because I can and I want to This is America dammit. Dont like it? Deal with it, dont wanna buy snap on? Dont. Buy and use what ever you want this is a free country after all. Nopw as a Stockholder of snap on you should buy SO all the time.
 

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Wow...another one of these threads. I am very pro-Snap-On and you know what you will never find from me? A thread started about discount store brands not being a value/good investment. You know why? I don't give a rat's *** about your tools, his tools or her tools. I don't care what people do with their money. I don't care if their 5.00 ratchet lasts a decade, a millennia or until 6:00 that day. So why do you OP? If you don't think it is a value, great, move along, Sears could desperately need your purchases to stay afloat, get in the car and go buy as much as you can.

The only time my SO guy has not had the tool I wanted the same day on the truck is when it is a specialty item. The only time I have not received a warranty replacement the same day is when it has needed to be sent out to be repaired. He cuts me deals, he hooks me up, he is always friendly, he has 2 fully stocked trucks and employs a few other people to make sure we are visited the same time, twice a week, every week.

I have a person like the OP at my current fleet. He has very little SO, very vocal against them. Most of the time his store brand stuff holds up, but I am at the point where I just remind him the days and times that SO is here so he can buy his own 3050 air hammer, because I now refuse to let him borrow mine.

So, if you don't see a value in the tools, feel they are a step above or worth the price tag. Then don't buy them. End of story. With all that money you saved there should be no reason for you not to have the tool you need, so you don't even have to borrow one of those brand tools and be inconvenienced by the horrible affliction of even seeing their logo.




I think the above comment was very well stated. :thumbup:

I was a Snap-on dealer from 1987-1995 after being a mechanic for 18+ years at 2 dealerships along with jobs at a Texaco station and Sears tire center as I was growing up. As a kid working at Sears and getting the employee discount I realized that for certain applications I needed a better quality tool to get the job done. Example: my first Snap-on tool purchased when the truck pulled up in the Sears lot was a 3/8-7/16 flare nut wrench for brake lines. The one I just bought at Sears rounded off and would not work correctly. I was shocked by the price but was also shocked at how well the tool worked and how it felt in my hand. This led me to purchase more as needed and when I got my job at the dealership I appreciated the quality of the Snap-on tools 8hrs a day, 40hrs a week. Back then there was no deal. I was lucky to have a good dealer that took care of things. When I became a Snap-on dealer in 1987 there was little to no competition from Ebay, Craigslist, internet tool sites etc.
Back then guys were buying 2nd sets of tools for home to do side work and stuff to keep in their car just in case. The KR1000 was $4k and sold like hotcakes. There was always the few mechanics that spent as little as possible and that was their choice. Back then if I needed a tool for a customer and it was early enough in the day I could have it the following day including a large toolbox otherwise 2 days was normal. My main stock order was every Tuesday and if I paid my bill with the company there was no problem getting tools to keep the truck stocked. If someone had a broken tool or warranty issue I took care of it. That was just part of the job. Back then we stocked handles and blades for screwdrivers, leads for test lights and timing lights, repair kits for ratchets (all of which I fixed on the van on the spot), floor jack parts and many misc service items to try and take care of the customer. Anything we sold we would service, repair or warranty as needed. The worst part of the job was deadbeat customers that say they can't make a payment and refuse to give the tools back, customers that bounce from job to job and lie to the tool dealer and skip out totally. I'm glad I got out when I did and I feel for the handful of good tool dealers that do make an effort to do a good job and go head to head with the internet sales, Ebay, Craigslist etc. There is no doubt that there are quite a few tool dealers that should be in another profession but like anything else good help is hard to find. Even with all these options and sources for people to buy tools at a discount I have to laugh and shake my head when people still think it cost too much. If you can't afford to buy something even when it is used and at a serious discount then only buy what you can afford and make do with what you have but bashing a quality product that others can afford new seems strange to me. :headscrat

Sorry for rambling.........:bowdown:
 

KoJo

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Wow kracin, you obviously dont get the point to anything said..

Never said your job was easy. Never said you had to have Snap-on tools. But keep going on and on putting words in my mouth, all your doing is that and assuming.

Like others have said before this post is that the tool trucks are not geared for every person, it is for a select market.

But go ahead tell me how you are really paid to do a job. Is it for the actual amount of time your feet are inside that building, weather you are standing there or BSing with another person??

When you are not paid hourly but paid by the set time you dont have time to run off to sears to go pick up a tool. You may only have one of each tool while I have doubles of certain tools to keep my *** in my bay so if a crucial tool breaks from being used alot I keep on going and when the tool guy, be it the Snap-on guy or the Mac guy comes by I have an empty box or a box with stuff that needs to be fixed. I dont get paid to stand around with my hands in my pockets, I dont get paid to take a dump. I only have so long to fix a component that has been cut in labor time many times because the manufacture is pinching pennies.

Never said everyone needs to have Snap-on, but in my line of work there is a justification to going on whatever tool truck to get a tool that you may not seem fit seeing as you are in a different kind work situation not paid the same way some of us are.

You may never understand this but thats ok.

But here is something to think about:

I was changing shocks on a 1998 Grand Marquis, labor time says 1.0 for the front, 1.0 for the rear. Ford got the bright idea to not make access panels to access the rear shock mounts on top.. Ok not to bad just more of a pain in the ***. Ford got even brighter and had the hard metal fuel lines routed over the passenger side rear shock nut.. The shocks have been on there since 1998 and I was changing the original set a month ago.. So from 1998 until 2013 those shocks have been in place. There is not alot of room to get a wrench on that top nut and its now made worse by the fuel lines right over it.. You have 1.0 hours to get the set replaced but since we are focused on just the one shock that is a pain to do you only have 0.5 hours to get it done to break even, any more time spent is your loss.
 

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You did, You Have and i quoted it below for Clarity...

Where did I specifically ask someone why they bought a certian brand instead of another? All I am doing is repeating what others have already posted on their own free will.











Again.. If you want to be Honest.. The same can be said for someone wanting a USA Made tool and People jump in with comments such as Buy Brand X, Its Just as Good... both Sides are guilty.

True. I agree.





Again.. Judging Others based of there "Justification" Really? Why does it Matter, Does someone else's tool brand upset you that much?

I'm not 'judging' anyone on their "Justification"...Only on their attitudes towards people who don't own their brand of preference. Don't call my stuff "****" just because it's not a truck brand.
 

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This post is retarded. You aren't making a paycheck based on how long it takes you with your 24.00 ratchet and how long the book tells you it should take.

Oh...so somehow your truck brand ratchet is faster than mine? I never new they had speed settings on them?

How silly of you.
 

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I'm not 'judging' anyone on their "Justification"...Only on their attitudes towards people who don't own their brand of preference. Don't call my stuff "****" just because it's not a truck brand.

Again.. Back to the Root of the Problem... Why does it Matter? They're Tools Not your Momma's Good Name. Regardless if the so called "tool truck" guys are bashing the Lower Priced tools or the "Non Truck Guys" are bashing the Truck guys for overpaying on tools. I beginning to think more than half the people here dont even use there tools, They just want to argue.


Why is it So Hard for people to understand?

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I Agree... and it boils down to People think they need to Defend there Purchases... and sometimes they might take exception, when someone simply gives there opinion. I spend way too much time reading threads here at GJ, I think if you go back and Read some of "ATC's" Posts, It becomes fairly Obvious that he dislikes "Tool Trucks" and thinks makes it "Blatantly" Obvious that anyone who's opinion differs from "His" has Well...


SO and other truck-brand owners have their head shoved so far up their *** it ain't funny.


Quoted for Clarity..


Obviously he is Entitled to his Opinion, And Yes there are "Button Pushers" on the Opposite side of the Spectrum.. Cant Deny it. The Real Question is Why do we have to continue down this Road of Back and Forth? I Dunno.. Like i Said earlier maybe its Just Me, Maybe im just getting fed up on a Personal Level. I Used to Enjoy coming here, Getting a Chance to Actually Put User Name to Face all at the Same time get some enjoyment out of a Simple Thank you.. Now.. Its either my Tools are Better because they Cost more or My tools are Better because they cost a 1/4th of what yours did. Ive seen Every Angle that can possibly be typed in regards to Brand Wars.... In the End. What the Hell does it Matter? What are you trying to Accomplish? To Each there Own...

Hiball, you and I aren't so different at all. I think you are reading into my posts too far. Maybe you are looking for a reason to twist my posts into an argument? I don't know.

I don't care what brand someone buys. It's your money and you can spend it as you please with no justification needed at all. Maybe you/your family grew up on that brand. Maybe you think it is the best one. But I have never called someone out on it...and I have never called their stuff junk.

The big box store doesn't have Snap-on. Most of their stuff is garbage except for Diablo saw blades.

It's people like CWP1616L, who blatantly claim that everything from a B&M store is "garbage."
I don't dislike tool trucks. I dislike the people with smug attitudes that own them and try to shove it down my throat.

Re-read the last part of post #77...there's your answer
:beer:
 

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Hiball, you and I aren't so different at all. I think you are reading into my posts too far. Maybe you are looking for a reason to twist my posts into an argument? I don't know.

I don't care what brand someone buys. It's your money and you can spend it as you please with no justification needed at all. Maybe you/your family grew up on that brand. Maybe you think it is the best one. But I have never called someone out on it...and I have never called their stuff junk.



It's people like CWP1616L, who blatantly claim that everything from a B&M store is "garbage."
I don't dislike tool trucks. I dislike the people with smug attitudes that own them and try to shove it down my throat.

Re-read the last part of post #77...there's your answer
:beer:

Definitely Not looking for a Argument.. Just trying to figure out how to make this place better and Prevent all the back and forth... its Tiresome. Do you think its possible that someone who only buys Tool trucks is Tired of people shoving the "My Tools cost a 1/4 of yours and i had money to go get pizza etc.. and there just as good"? Im Done talking about it.. If your trying to claim innocence in these debates.. So be it.. BTW i seriously doubt there are any mechanics here who only have 1 brand.. Thats Crazy IMO.

Good Day...
 
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