Tools from the old world
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honestly...
Bacho Adj. wrench - free gift from Sandvik Coromant, my company bought a lot of Sandvik Coromant cutting tools -
Coromant tools are excelent! As I remember, the best sawblades used that name too, when Sandvik still was in the handtools and saw business.
Beeing a company gift, it could explain the rather glossy look on your wrench. It could be a left-over, from when Bacho was a branch in the Sandvik-group.
@ your Stahlwille wrenches: These are brilliant too...only thing that annoys me, is the weak marking of the size - since "14" is the most significant number, I tend to take a 13 or 15 mm, when i really need a 14 mm
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honestly...
My Stahlwille 14 series wrenches are the same way: Some are with the size forged into the handle and others have the size stamped on the head. I assume that this is a transition phase from an update in the style. I find it annoying to have a set mixed like that when I bought it at the same time
Other than that, they are truly awesome wrenches. I'm torn between these and my Hazet 600Ns
Nice used tools and great photo.
Yes I know.
honestly...
Nice thanks.
Difficult decision with all these great tools hah? 
Strange, you have 21mm but no 22. Were do you use it? I use my 21mm socket extensively, also use a deep offset wrench but never an open end or straight box end.
Mr. Tools,
You can twist them like tootsie rolls and still won't have to worry about chrome peeling.
You can twist it one more time.
Unior. The short ones for my bike collection.
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Differences. Bending vs forging.
Unior
Beta
Gedore
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hmboo
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Miskin
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No Gedore for your bike? Shame on you!
One huge drop forged Netsuren
(not a piece of **** like the JIS B 4630)View media item 25834View media item 25835Vargus Deburring Tool
View media item 25836Any info for this brand would be appreciate. It's the most durable torx keys i ever use and i use torx keys all the time at my work
View media item 25837View media item 25838I found some info but no COO:
http://www.sfsintec.biz/internet/sfsinten.nsf/PageID/tools_ctf
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No Gedore for your bike? Shame on you!
No!
The gedore are so thin that can't work like that. View media item 25847
Also they are longer and don't fit to the limited available space. The unior are shorter than normal and longer than a stubby.
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Gedore, unior, carolus adapter and spark plug socket and a cheap naviga.
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After a few months occasional abuse.
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Gedore bits. Resist to rust better than the witte and wera that I had. Maybe cause of the black finish.
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Lovely
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Drivers.
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Gedore stubby, my most used ratcheting wrench, and unior 8mm with carolus adapters.
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The adapter can be used with both for extra leverage and durability.
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My 1/4 breaker bar.
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I also need 2 of them but they are too expensive.
Bought a Stahlwille spanner (from ebay) just to see what it was like.
Is this normal - Stahlwille Motor?
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Chrome with an "e" on a German spanner?
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And while it's not awful, the finish certainly isn't even or consistent:
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My verdict: I only paid £2.99, so I'm not too disappointed, but price aside, if I was feeling generous I'd give it a 6/10. I just looks and feels like average quality. I recognise that this example might not be typical of Stahlwille spanners, but I don't think I'd bother to buy anything else from Stahlwille unless I saw it in person first.
Is this normal - Stahlwille Motor?
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Chrome with an "e" on a German spanner?
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And while it's not awful, the finish certainly isn't even or consistent:
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My verdict: I only paid £2.99, so I'm not too disappointed, but price aside, if I was feeling generous I'd give it a 6/10. I just looks and feels like average quality. I recognise that this example might not be typical of Stahlwille spanners, but I don't think I'd bother to buy anything else from Stahlwille unless I saw it in person first.
Yes, this is the normal for German spanners.
Chrome with "e". Stahlwille has strange finish. I don't know why it is like that but I like it. The price was super.
http://www.moto-accessories.gr/products/ergaleia/lebies_elastikon_me_polugono_drc
The motion pro are very nice but I don't want an aluminum spanner for the rear axle bolt.
Ehhhmm you are right. "chrom" is the more common on German tools but if the wrench is marked as "made in Germany" or just "Germany" then the English "Chrome" is ok. In this occasion the indicator is the "Germany" and not the "chrome".
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Stahlwille uses English for labeling their spanners. You're wondering why the chrome has an "e" and you're ignoring the "alloy steel"
The Stahlwille DOB wrenches are all named: "motor", the combination wrenches are named:"open box" and the box wrenches are named: "stabil"
If you're getting hung up on the finish, there's lots of made in Taiwan stuff out there with a perfect finish.
The Stahlwille finish is made that way for functionality, not to be pretty.
If I need to explain the appeal of Stahlwille to you, you'll never understand anyway
no problem with the internettell me if you need help..
no, from a candy factory where i worked a while agonice usedddddddd tools..it's from car body repair workshop?
How about the tools cart/cabinet?(pics 4 to 7) looks like the old Gedore, I see blue/silver hammer coated.
btw: sorry to says.. looks like the German people did not appreciated their tools..maybe the good quality and branded tools very cheap and easy to get there, so they don't need to worried about the tool becomes
ps: ..and thanks to help me find a good tools since I joint this forum
yup, Gedore ! Very good eye ! A older "Gedore Adjutant"
The tools are supplied by the employer so nobody really cares. You use the tools and simply put them back.... if you want clean tools, go clean them
i have no time and they´re not mine ps: sorry didn´t have the time yet to visit the Wurth store because they already close at 5 o´clock
yes they will foreverThanks God.. hope Gedore still produced their tools in Germany
are you work with Ministry Tools of Germany?
If Gedore don´t produce here anymore Germany is out of business
yeah the tool ministry just called me and told me i should tell everyone to buy some more Gedore tools
yes about 10 - 20% cheaper than Gedore, but still twice as expensive as AldiThat's susks
yesThanks.
next time Rohrzange
yup taiwanese finishAt the left: Classic style Matador ½" socket - matte/glossy finish. At right: New Matador socket. All glossy and knurled ribbon. Lower profile, these are both 30 mm metrics.
Different kind of stamping, and missing "Germany" text...
also the inside is plated now, german sockets are usually painted silver on the inside...at least thats a Wera driver:
That´s illegal !No!
That too !
And this even more !!My 1/4 breaker bar.
tire lever with wrench ??I also need 2 of them but they are too expensive.
- in case of Stahlwille open end wrenches, yes. They have names for their tools...."Stabil", "Corona", "Motor"....
-in case of Stahlwille, yes.
-in case of Stahlwille....normal. The watermark
The Stahlwille finish is made that way for functionality, not to be pretty.
If I need to explain the appeal of Stahlwille to you, you'll never understand anyway
Hahhaa, a Lada is purely functional too. I had a friend with a Lada 4x4 that ran forever, but it was ugly as hell, definitely not refined, and you probably wouldn't care to drive it around the block, never-mind own one
And nothing wrong with a perfect finish - be it matte, satin, or polished, or made in Europe or Asia. If you're making a quality product (or at least claiming to), and charging a premium price, why not take a little extra care with the details rather than settling for satisfactory or "good enough"?
Stahlwille uses English for labeling their spanners. You're wondering why the chrome has an "e" and you're ignoring the "alloy steel"
The Stahlwille DOB wrenches are all named: "motor", the combination wrenches are named:"open box" and the box wrenches are named: "stabil"
- in case of Stahlwille open end wrenches, yes. They have names for their tools...."Stabil", "Corona", "Motor"....
-in case of Stahlwille, yes.
-in case of Stahlwille....normal. The watermark
Thanks both for the info. I wasn't familiar with the naming convention and wondered if "Motor" was a separate (cheaper) line of their tools.
rt dak
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Just got this in the mail today. Saw this post and just had to get one for myself.
Kraehe
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Stahlwille finish quality has definitely gone down in recent years.
I have stabil series marked "stronger than any bolt" which are basically flawless, and stabil of new production that have lots of grind marks showing through the plating.
One of my new ones (8 - 9mm) even has one end punched offset (ie, not centred properly)!
K.
I have stabil series marked "stronger than any bolt" which are basically flawless, and stabil of new production that have lots of grind marks showing through the plating.
One of my new ones (8 - 9mm) even has one end punched offset (ie, not centred properly)!
K.
yes they will forever
If Gedore don´t produce here anymore Germany is out of business
yeah the tool ministry just called me and told me i should tell everyone to buy some more Gedore tools
A Greek company make an order 30.000 euro with Gedore tools and I order the 1/2 breaker bar which cost 30 Euro.
Rohrzange
Ok, that's easy to remember.
That´s illegal !
Places like this has no rules.
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Because if you need something the best garage that you can find is this.
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That too !
No it's not! The catalog says than it can work with 8 or 10 mm spanner. So why I can't use it with both?
And this even more !!
I know, never had to do it.
Yet!
Ok. No abuse for 1/4 inch drive. No necessary!
tire lever with wrench ??
I'm trying to have always with me every tool that I need for some basic repairs. Oil change, valve adjustments, tube repair, suspension adjustment, change light bulb, change spark plug e.g. These levers saves space and weight.
In long trips I carry more tools with me along with some spare parts like break lever that can break with a single fall, inner tube e.g.
I never use the tools of my bike when I'm at home but they have save my *** many times when crossing the Pindos by dirt tracks or in my journey to north Italy.
The repairs are simple like to remove the mudguard to save the tire but some time need to back up a wrench even if the wrench is in normal size.
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http://www.moto-accessories.gr/products/ergaleia/lebies_elastikon_me_polugono_drc
The motion pro are very nice but I don't want an aluminum spanner for the rear axle bolt.
I was a non-believer also until I tried it on.
Motion Pro guarantees 120 Nm on those things.
Miskin
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A Greek company make an order 30.000 euro with Gedore tools and I order the 1/2 breaker bar which cost 30 Euro.
Ok, that's easy to remember.
Places like this has no rules.
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Because if you need something the best garage that you can find is this.
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No it's not! The catalog says than it can work with 8 or 10 mm spanner. So why I can't use it with both?
I know, never had to do it.
Yet!
Ok. No abuse for 1/4 inch drive. No necessary!
I'm trying to have always with me every tool that I need for some basic repairs. Oil change, valve adjustments, tube repair, suspension adjustment, change light bulb, change spark plug e.g. These levers saves space and weight.
In long trips I carry more tools with me along with some spare parts like break lever that can break with a single fall, inner tube e.g.
I never use the tools of my bike when I'm at home but they have save my *** many times when crossing the Pindos by dirt tracks or in my journey to north Italy.
The repairs are simple like to remove the mudguard to save the tire but some time need the back up a wrench even if the wrench is in normal size.
I think mountain crossing with bikes (off road) it is also illegal in some countries like Germany. Am i right Monte(mountain)?
It´s illegal in Denmark (ok, we have no mountains, so who cares...) and in Sweden too. Not even the landowner must drive unnescesarry on his own land or in his own forrest...makes me wonder, why there are som many ATV`s in Sweden ?
Maybe the police don´t drive by so often, out there in the deep woods...Hahhaa, a Lada is purely functional too. I had a friend with a Lada 4x4 that ran forever, but it was ugly as hell, definitely not refined, and you probably wouldn't care to drive it around the block, never-mind own one
And nothing wrong with a perfect finish - be it matte, satin, or polished, or made in Europe or Asia. If you're making a quality product (or at least claiming to), and charging a premium price, why not take a little extra care with the details rather than settling for satisfactory or "good enough"?
You're absolutely right, of course. I was just being a devil's advocate, PITA snob.
There are actually a lot of premium brand tools out there with a disappointing finish:
I've got a Proto Challenger box wrench with the worst finish you've ever seen. Well, not the finish, but the forging lines are all still there, right where your hand goes on the shank, ouch! There was absolutely zero effort to grind anything down in any way.
And yes many of my Hazet and Stahlwille tools have a bad spot in the chrome where they were held in the chroming solution by a wire.
I've got an old Elora 24 tooth ratchet which is just really disappointing and the extensions in the set are just P'sOS. They don't fit the socket properly or tightly. Just really unbelievably bad!
(That said, the sockets are really nice.)Laro13
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I have got some Stahlwille Motor wrenches with cracking chrome:
They even feel inferior, compared to some other Stahlwille Open box wrenches I have got.
When I first got these, I had a bit of a bad feeling about Stahlwille wrenches. But after using some other Stahlwille wrenches, I now like how the "sit" in your hand.
They even feel inferior, compared to some other Stahlwille Open box wrenches I have got.
When I first got these, I had a bit of a bad feeling about Stahlwille wrenches. But after using some other Stahlwille wrenches, I now like how the "sit" in your hand.
I have got some Stahlwille Motor wrenches with cracking chrome:
They even feel inferior, compared to some other Stahlwille Open box wrenches I have got.
When I first got these, I had a bit of a bad feeling about Stahlwille wrenches. But after using some other Stahlwille wrenches, I now like how the "sit" in your hand.
Is this a stahlwille? Doesn't look like a stahlwille motor.
hmboo
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Rusty Musket
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Thats fairly impressive. I will make a search for these. Thanks.
But you will pay in Euro - the greek company will send a note back "Can we pay in Drachmer? - sometime in the future"
A long story short, if we don't put mind in our heads it will be happen soon. And this is not the worst thing thaτ can be happen, believe me.
Thank you very much. Yes I have some nice trips. Besides, do not forget that Greece is a small bankrupt paradise.
The photos are both from Greece. The first one is near the the northern borders and the second one at the big sierra of central Greece.
Upload some random photos of Greece here
(There are a few from Italy though)
http://imageshack.us/g/1/9858778/
and here.
http://imageshack.us/g/1/9858890/
They are from all over the Greece mostly mountain roads and trails.
Oil change and filter cleaning before a good cleaning for the next trip.
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Laro13
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It looks like Stahlwille motor wrenches, but I bought them second-hand, so you never know for sure.
Sorry for the crappy photo, I need a new camera.
The bottom one is a short 13 mm "open box" type, which feels a bit smoother and fits better in your hand.
Luckily, I only paid a few euro's for them.
It looks like Stahlwille motor wrenches, but I bought them second-hand, so you never know for sure.
The bottom one is a short 13 mm "open box" type, which feels a bit smoother and fits better in your hand.
Luckily, I only paid a few euro's for them.
The 17-19 looks like a cheap copy. And I don't speak only about the chrome. The point that the open end and the beam is connected doesn't look as nice.
knightmasks
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"little extra" = extra money
Their cheaper line was "Bertool"
everybody does what he canA Greek company make an order 30.000 euro with Gedore tools and I order the 1/2 breaker bar which cost 30 Euro.
Ok, that's easy to remember.
ok you winPlaces like this has no rules.
hey looks better than my garageBecause if you need something the best garage that you can find is this.
No it's not! The catalog says than it can work with 8 or 10 mm spanner. So why I can't use it with both?
you´re right here the right tool for 1/4" abuse:I know, never had to do it.
Yet!
Ok. No abuse for 1/4 inch drive. No necessary!
http://www.netrogue.de/weblog/diary/20100504/pictures/Der-neue-Vorschlaghammer-ist-angekommen.jpg
ahhh ok i understand
i think yes because you could destroy the nature...
the color and type of the chrome looks strange and the "structure" of the metal too.... ??
here´re mine:
Got a free trunk full of junk from my employer:
the highlights:
life time supply of nuts, bolts, rivets....
(storage from denmark + finland)
unknown drill with stand
misc:
"Wanderer" typewriter
"Anker" sewing machine:
Miskin
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Off topic. Sorry but couldn't resist
Bulldog bowsaw
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ArcStyles
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I got my 3/8"socket sets in Hazet and Gedore. The other Hazet set is a 1/4" socket set. My first Gedore pair of pliers and a A few Orbis (German made, high end) pliers.
I got the Gedore and Orbis stuff from Ash (German-Hand-Tools). He has very limited quantity of the Orbis stuff, as well as a very limited quantity of four other (Orbis) hands tools (I didn't need) by the same company, three cutting tools and one pair of pliers not in this pic. All of them badass offset versions, but sadly I had to limit my own budget.
I got the Gedore and Orbis stuff from Ash (German-Hand-Tools). He has very limited quantity of the Orbis stuff, as well as a very limited quantity of four other (Orbis) hands tools (I didn't need) by the same company, three cutting tools and one pair of pliers not in this pic. All of them badass offset versions, but sadly I had to limit my own budget.
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Maexle
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Glad to see that you working class guys from Portugal, Greece, Spain pay back the debt to the germans step by step by purchasing tools made in Germany.....
JUST kidding !!!
it makes me proud that there is still some german made products which are admired all over the world !!
Quality knows NO nationality / borders !
BTW: i love my Craftsman (industrial, made in the USA), Gearwrench (Taiwan), Knipex (Germany), Vessel (Japan), Proto (England).
BTW Monte, what do you think about BGS tools ?
JUST kidding !!!
it makes me proud that there is still some german made products which are admired all over the world !!
Quality knows NO nationality / borders !
BTW: i love my Craftsman (industrial, made in the USA), Gearwrench (Taiwan), Knipex (Germany), Vessel (Japan), Proto (England).
BTW Monte, what do you think about BGS tools ?
shoturtle
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BGS is pretty much the same as gearwrench or the KS tools in germany, made in taiwan.
Maexle
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Alright, COO, like mentioned, means not that much to me, what matters is the quality, how to they hold up in comparison to, let's say, Stahlwille, Gedore, Hazet...?
shoturtle
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I have some BGS, and compare to my proto and armstrong they are good quality, but not the upper end like my proto.
With wrenches, the 3 your mention are upper end like proto. So BGS is not quite as good compare to them. The german made wrenches are much better.
They are really in line with gearwrench and craftsman's.
With wrenches, the 3 your mention are upper end like proto. So BGS is not quite as good compare to them. The german made wrenches are much better.
They are really in line with gearwrench and craftsman's.