Tools from the old world

[purpurite]

Here you go. I hope that author - Monte - won't mind me reposting it:

Alx and Monte, many thanks. I took notes and will study. I wasn't tremendously close on a few of them, but I am now adding Monte's pronunciation of "metric" to my every-day vernacular... MEE-TRIX.


Thanks, guys!

 

[Kraehe]

Were they acquired from Masters? Unfortunately, sometimes German companies (not just them I might add) can use us as a dumping ground for their stuff that didn't quite make it through Q.C. Either that or we screw them that hard that we only get their second rate stuff.

Take them back.

Hi there,

I purchased them from a Stahlwille dealer in Germany who sells on eBay (though I purchased them direct from his business). I won't mention names here, but if you want to know who, PM me.

I considered the poorer finish just to be symptomatic of modern cuts in production costs (and care). It was the off centre ring that really disappointed me.

Regards,

 

[Alx]

Alx and Monte, many thanks. I took notes and will study. I wasn't tremendously close on a few of them, but I am now adding Monte's pronunciation of "metric" to my every-day vernacular... MEE-TRIX.


Thanks, guys!

I picked up Ha-tset and Shtahlwilleh. I say Ghedoore now too

 

[Blöckw@rt]

A few of my hard-working German wrenches more !

 

[purpurite]

I picked up Ha-tset and Shtahlwilleh. I say Ghedoore now too

Here's the ones I grabbed from Monte's video...

Hazet = haat-zet
Wera = veer-ah
Stahlwille = shta-vill-ah (I like that one, I keep saying it out loud to myself)
Gedore = geh-door-ah
Facom = fah-com
Bahco = bah-koh
Carolus = ka-rhuul-us
Knipex = ke-neep-ex
Wiha = vee-hah
Wuerth = voort
Witte = vee-tah
Garant = gah-runt




Beats arguing about CoO and the quality of manufacture of certain countries.

 

[shoturtle]

facom is french so I would not take that as being correct. It is just the way the German pronounce it.

Same for Bahco, not german.

 

[Monte]

Ok, let me redirect this thread completely...

As stupid 'mericans, it's almost assumed that we are mispronouncing the names of all foreign company names. Can any of you English-speaking Euros help us with the correct pronunciation of some of the major brands we are talking about regularly in here?

For instance, I just found out that Knipex is actually pronounced "ka nip ex" and not "nip ex." Duh. Oh sure, how could I get that wrong?

So how about it... what's the native language proper way to say names like Stahlwille, Hazet, Wira, Wiha and others?

made a short video

(german style pronunciation.... Facom is different in french etc..."Le ****´em" or so )

 

[shoturtle]

Monte,

You can get even more in-depth with the different dialects of German. How the Swiss or the Austrian would pronounce things, then you can get even more complex with the different way each german state would pronouce thing like a hamburg vs a bayern vs Hessen.

 

[Zeke]

Wuerth = voort

That caught me by surprise. But it shouldn't since it follows the rules.

 

[Monte]

Monte,

You can get even more in-depth with the different dialects of German. How the Swiss or the Austrian would pronounce things, then you can get even more complex with the different way each german state would pronouce thing like a hamburg vs a bayern vs Hessen.

i only can speak high/standard german , the official language.... and Bavaria is not germany anyway

Wuerth = voort

That caught me by surprise. But it shouldn't since it follows the rules.

it´s normally written "Würth" with a "ü", a "u" with 2 dots above, since you can´t write it as a www adress and because of other reasons: "ü" is written as "ue" , as well as "ä" = "ae" and "ö" = "oe". You can find a "ä" for example in "Kärcher" like in the video link i posted above.

 

[shoturtle]

I have a heck of a time with Eastern German Dialects. And the swiss confuse me as well. High German it the only thing I can speak. I can understand Bavarian, Hessen and some Hamburger.

 

[purpurite]

made a short video

(german style pronunciation.... Facom is different in french etc..."Le ****´em" or so )

My goodness, even your tool catalog collection is insane! Thanks Monte, much appreciated. I feel very German today.

 

[Bogdan M.]

German is surely very difficult.

 

[TjoFrasse]

From my basic German knowledge Würth should be vyrth? Is it not so?

 

[Blöckw@rt]

@ApexSpeed

Enter the words into the translator, and then press the loudspeaker button......et voilà !

http://translate.google.de/#de/en/


It works.............

 

[shoturtle]

The most common mispronounce Germany tool company name is bosch. My wife when we first meet corrected the way I pronounced it.

 

[shoturtle]

German is surely very difficult.

No it is not as difficult as italian, french and spanish.

 

[shoturtle]

From my basic German knowledge Würth should be vyrth? Is it not so?

ü is a oo sound not a y sound.

 

[TjoFrasse]

ü is a oo sound not a y sound.

Ok. That's how I was taught in school:
ü = y
v = f
w = v
And the strange B-symbol that is no longer used = ss

 

[Jure]

made in italy

 

[Blöckw@rt]

The large and small letters are difficult for someone and there also different endings in the plural.

I´m speaking spanish too, something in the grammatic is simpler, something more difficult than in German, but the easiest is still english ... i think so........

 

[shoturtle]

Ok. That's how I was taught in school:
ü = y
v = f
w = v
And the strange B-symbol that is no longer used = ss

Not according to my german instructor at the Geman VHS school. That is why würth is pronounce the way it is, voort

 

[shoturtle]

The large and small letters are difficult for someone and there also different endings in the plural.

I´m speaking spanish too, something in the grammatic is simpler, something more difficult than in German, but the easiest is still english ... i think so........

grammer and structure English is super easy. German is very precise. The biggest issue I have with german is there is no real rule when a word is der, die or das. You have to just learn it. There are adjust rule for das for certain words.

But german has not have as many cases as italian or spanish. Think 7 cases is allot to learn.

 

[shoturtle]

@ApexSpeed

Enter the words into the translator, and then press the loudspeaker button......et voilà !

http://translate.google.de/#de/en/


It works.............

Leo.org is also very good. google has more mistakes when you are trying to figure out the right word. Leo list you all the possible word you are trying to translate.

 

[TjoFrasse]

The large and small letters are difficult for someone and there also different endings in the plural.

I´m speaking spanish too, something in the grammatic is simpler, something more difficult than in German, but the easiest is still english ... i think so........

German grammar is what made me quit trying to learn German... For a Swede many of the words are simple to learn though.

Not according to my german instructor at the Geman VHS school. That is why würth is pronounce the way it is, voort

You're surely right. I wasn't taught by a native German speaker so. It's not just me though, that character "ü" is called a "German Y" in Sweden.

 

[shoturtle]

German grammar is what made me quit trying to learn German... For a Swede many of the words are simple to learn though.



You're surely right. I wasn't taught by a native German speaker so. It's not just me though, that character "ü" is called a "German Y" in Sweden.

My wife is learning Swedish. It is actually very similar to German. Allot of the sounds are similar. For a german Swedish is a easy language to pick up.

But the german grammar is no were as hard as italian, it is easier then Russian. Which I learned along time ago. And have thus forgotten do to the lack of uses.

 

[Monte]

here is someone saying "würth"

and here

@ApexSpeed

Enter the words into the translator, and then press the loudspeaker button......et voilà !

http://translate.google.de/#de/en/


It works.............

but "Würth" (for example) sounds like "Wörth"....

 

[shoturtle]

I think we digress. We are dealing with the old world with language, but not tools.

 

[Bogdan M.]

No it is not as difficult as italian, french and spanish.

I speak french, it's not so difficult.
German seems more difficult to me.
It depends on the person.
If your native language derives from latin, it probably is easier to learn french and spanish, or italian.

I like a lot how german sounds btw.

 

[shoturtle]

I am an American. I find german allot simpler then french and italian. But coming from Romanian, it works better with other latin language. So I agree depending on the person. Learning certain language is easier then others. With a German background, dutch and swedish is easier to pick up then italian or spanish.

 

[TjoFrasse]

My wife is learning Swedish. It is actually very similar to German. Allot of the sounds are similar. For a german Swedish is a easy language to pick up.

But the german grammar is no were as hard as italian, it is easier then Russian. Which I learned along time ago. And have thus forgotten do to the lack of uses.

If she wants to have a challenge she should try Finnish
The ease of learning the vocabulary should work both ways, and since the grammar is simpler (I think at least) she should have it easy.

Yes, not used languages fade fast. 4 years in school of trying to learn german 15 years ago has now almost faded to "Guten tag, ich heiße Erik, was heiße du?" (and there is surely lots of grammatical errors in that).

 

[Outline]

You will always find someone who made a bad experience with a brand, whether with Hazet, Gedore, Stahlwille, Facom, Snap On etc.

German tools or cars would surely not such a good reputation, if they would only produce junk, right?

Exceptions prove the rule.

They used to make good products but German quality is (documented) slipping...

The Mercedes W124 was engineered to be the best car in the world, no matter what the costs were. Nowadays they start with a fixed engineering & design budget....

Thank you, Bogdan
it is globalisation time xD

anyone who said that german tools can be low quality don't know about tools
canUK, I understand that in your country there is not a lot of fine tool brands, but i Germany situation is different they have skill, that's all...

I sell tools for a living and I can tell you that every brand has good and bad products, no matter which country the brand originates from.

And for whom it's still not clear: EVERY BRAND is outsourcing these days. Even brands like Gedore and Stahlwille (compare Stahlwille's 512QR and Carolus' 5190.20 and discard the difference in the handle).

So not every (for example) Gedore product is actually completly made in Germany...

Minor defects always exist.
I repair german cars for a living.
Most people that complain about a german car didn't buy the car new but sh.
A 150 000 miles car has nothing to do with a new car.
German cars are a lot more abused than other european cars because of their engines and performances.

Other countries are capable of quality workmanship, but real life shows that products made in third world countries by low skilled labour are not of similar quality with german made products.

Your comment shows that you are really living in the OLD WORLD with OLD WORLD TOUGHTS!

I have tools from all over the world, but I like trying to get tools with European COO. Not because I think they're better in quality automatically, but because I feel pride in my collection. That's all COO is for me. I don't think anything can be said of a tool just from its COO. I just like the thought of having tools made here. I'm very happy with many of my Taiwanese tools still, and even with some China made tools. You can't always afford what you want, and there is often good quality to be found at lower prices also.

Just because someone other says they're not happy with a product does not mean that my satisfaction with that product should change. I'm still happy with my Wera, even though I have read some here that were not satisfied.

I'm still happy with my German Gedore ratcheting wrenches, even though the finish is not perfect (grinding marks). The function is not compromised due to that.

My Taiwan Facom sealed heads are my favorite ratchets, while my Taiwan Bahco are among my least favorite. That shows how little COO has to do with it.

That's what I have said several times! It's not about COO but about QC and what the brand that outsourced the products is willing to pay for the product.

Regarding the car thing, I have to say COO is as unimportant there. I would not compare a Opel (Vauxhall for you britts) toa a Mercedes. I have owned German made VWs and Fords, French made Citroëns, Swedish Volvos and Saabs, a Czechz Skoda and a Japanese Honda. All have had their good and bad sides. All manufacturers try too save money and come up with smart solutions, and all sometimes fail. And all production lines have bad days. All brands have their bad models also.

Fords are also made in Belgium, like Volvo's & Opels. My last 2 Fiats are made in Turkey and the Ford Focus I had was made in Spain. It's the same as with tools: Brand doesn't say ANYTHING about were it was actually made!

Facom is different in french etc..."Le ****´em" or so )

Fa-Kom in French. Had a French boss with a Facom-obsession...

German is surely very difficult.

Try Dutch with all it's dialects!

 

[shoturtle]

If she wants to have a challenge she should try Finnish
The ease of learning the vocabulary should work both ways, and since the grammar is simpler (I think at least) she should have it easy.

Yes, not used languages fade fast. 4 years in school of trying to learn german 15 years ago has now almost faded to "Guten tag, ich heiße Erik, was heiße du?" (and there is surely lots of grammatical errors in that).

since you are using the informal with du, it is hießt. There is the formal and informal way of addressing people. And completely different conjugations.

 

[CanUK]

Hello guys! What do you think about ''Athlet" tools, Germany? Because i'll buy some screwdrivers and hexagonal wrenches from them. Please for you opinion.

I've got some cold chisels that seem alright.

 

[Jure]

PS.

Regarding the car thing, I have to say COO is as unimportant there. I would not compare a Opel (Vauxhall for you britts) toa a Mercedes. I have owned German made VWs and Fords, French made Citroëns, Swedish Volvos and Saabs, a Czechz Skoda and a Japanese Honda. All have had their good and bad sides. All manufacturers try too save money and come up with smart solutions, and all sometimes fail. And all production lines have bad days. All brands have their bad models also.

I like German cars, and love the ones I have and have had. But that is not the same as I'm saying they were flawless or anything like that.

i owned cz made skoda felicia lxi 1.3 mpi 1997 lol i miss that car,had zero issues,sold it when it had 200 000 km under the wheels. woman in my city is still driving it,and i sold it to her an yr ago

same one :

 

[Jure]

btw speaking of cars,my 2012 opel corsa is made in Spain

 

[y20dth]

Lincoln made in Italy?
I thought Lincoln was a USA product??????

made in italy

 

[Monte]

"Guten tag, ich heiße Erik, was heiße du?" (and there is surely lots of grammatical errors in that).

"Guten Tag, Ich heiße Erik, wie heißt Du ?" (not formal) if you ask a child or a classmate etc.
"Guten Tag, Ich heiße Erik, wie heissen Sie ?" (respectfully) If you ask your boss or a person which you don´t know or older people for example

made in italy

nice welder !!

Lincoln made in Italy?
I thought Lincoln was a USA product??????

they produce in Poland and other countries too:

http://www.lincolnelectric.pl/en/18300.xml

http://www.lincolnelectric.pl/en/corporate,Lincoln Electric Europe.xml







"Ejendals" work gloves
www.ejendals.se

 

[shoturtle]

globalization. Lincoln builds in the EU.

 

[Jure]

Lincoln made in Italy?
I thought Lincoln was a USA product??????

not inverters and some mig's,internal parts are made in usa,metal housing is made by Selco and assembled by Selco in italy. btw lincoln's are made in usa,italy and mexico today.