Tools from the old world

[Monte]

Hey Monte and everyone else as well,
I put this in General, but maybe better here. I'll copy and paste what is in it...http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225386

Google has almost nothing on these. Pretty cool I think.
You guys know what year/ish???
What do you think they are worth?

i think the other thread has the info i guess they´re worth $200.- for die hard Wera fans...maybe submariner takes them

Quite honestly I did thank my coworker . He too values quality when it comes to tools (and his workmanship as well) so we talk allot about quality tools and other options. When I told him I was looking for a impact driver and drill he recommended I look into Festool and Metabo as well. I liked Festool's TI-15. but from what I gathered the TI-15 was geared more towards woodworking. Still would like to try one out, the Centro-Tec chucks are a really nice feature. So is the electronic clutch.
Seems like I need to befriend a Festool rep

The TI-15 also only has 100NM which is a common value for 10,8 Volt tools... For building/contruction or automotive work i would want more power. I recently saw your Hilti impact in combination with a Hilti rotary hammer to install threaded rods/screws (?) into concrete...i think you made a good choice. Metabo would be a good choice too i think, they did a lot in the recent past to improve their cordless products. Maybe it´s because a former Milwaukee engineer works there now i heard...
if you found a Festool friend check out their cordless drills if you´re into woodworking !

It would be nice if stores here at least stocked some higher end stuff. A few years ago Lowes started stocking some Knipex pliers in the electrical aisle, but decided to drop Knipex after a year. Though once the Knipex stuff went on clearance I made sure to pick up anything I could get my hands on.

Doesn´t Sears still stock them ?

Your quite welcome regarding the impact bits, I just got a box today from Chadstoolbox containing some power/impact bits and screwdriver from Wera and Felo! I'll have pictures of that tomorrow, and of course report on their performance when I can

cool ! sounds good !
I only have my 10,8 Volt impact for a short time but always use the Wera impaktor bit holder. Maybe it will extend the lifetime of the bits. Wera says it works

I'm liking the L-Boxx that Bosch has out. They remind me of the Systainers that Festool uses. I've been contemplating picking up an L-Boxx or two.

i only own one each so i don´t know which one i like better yet...we will see when i own 2 each Fein cases are also pretty nice, you can´t lock them together but they have a sturdy styrofoam insert which should last longer and protect the tool better than the thin plastic inserts the competitors use.

I have the first gen 10.8 drill, driver, and impact... They are fantastic for small spaces and lighter duty work. The Impact is great for tearing down my dirtbike, I can strip the entire bike minus the swingarm-frame connecting axel.

yes they are just got the small screwdriver and added the impact driver. Awesome ! Especially the brushless hex driver since it´s so small and only weights 719 gram it feels very light and not annoying even if it has the battery inside the handle. The weight makes it feel comfortable. The impact is pretty nice too and even removed exhaust flange bolts, a pulley and other things.

I use the batteries when I go hiking to keep my phone charged when I'm using the GPS or on the trail for days. A simple 12v cigarrette adapter from car to a car charger and I have power to my phone for over 24 hours, and thats running music, GPS, and having the LCD screen lit the entire time .

they should make a adapter like that...that would be nice.....

btw. some more Bosch 10,8 volt tools will be coming out in 2014:
it looks like they will bring out a Dremel tool, a barrel grip jig saw (?) and a small circular saw:

Today at the construction site.

what brand is the angle grinder ?

Want to see a part 2?

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Bosch GDR 10,8-Li (a.k.a Bosch PS41) impact driver

 

[north]

*snip*
Want to see a part 2?

Giveth us part 2 or evil shall be cast upon thee.





Say Monte, do you plan to own all electrical tools in this part of the universe? On second thought, nevermind, we all know the answer.

 

[dutch79]

It seems the cordless trend is continuing for almost all sorts of electrical tools.
What's that with the russian image, Monte?
Bosch blue is great. We also have a wash dryer, refrigerator, all kinds of components in my car (Volvo, made in Holland by the way ),... Bosch is everywhere!

Oh, part 2 is under construction.. A nice old dutch electrical tool!

 

[The Muffin Man]

This is the Wera Impaktor bitset. Recommended by Wera when you use a powerful drill like a 18V impaktor drill. It's on my wishlist when I need a new cordless drill:

http://www.wera.de/catalog_de.html?..._tools_for_power_use_bit_sets_bit-checks.html

Whats the retail price of that set in your area? I just ordered the same set a few hours ago, it ran me about $92usd. I've just received the 50mm PH3 and 2 that I ordered and they definitely are much better quality than the bits I've been more accustomed to. While driving in some dasher screws at work I broke one screw head off completely, which hasn't happened before since the bits usually break first. The diamond coating really helps out too, I was getting frustrated trying to remove the head of the broken screw from the bit, so thats a good sign, I guess

Yesterday I sunk 40+ screws with the Impaktor bit and its still going strong.


Which NWS plier is on it's way? Along with the Impaktor set I ordered the Combi-Ergo and the Multi-Ergo, both in VDE variants. I'm glad that NWS pliers are sold in the US now, the first two pliers I bought were from a Tool Truck dealer based in the UK who is also a member here. Not the cheapest way to obtain them, but it was worth it.

 

[dutch79]

Whats the retail price of that set in your area?

I can get the Wera BC Impaktor/30 Bit-Check in my country at the moment for €48,-incl VAT (free shipping). That's about $65,-. Maybe even cheaper, didn't search a lot.

Which NWS plier is on it's way?

You'll see in a few days Quite a innovative one.

 

[The Muffin Man]

The TI-15 also only has 100NM which is a common value for 10,8 Volt tools... For building/contruction or automotive work i would want more power. I recently saw your Hilti impact in combination with a Hilti rotary hammer to install threaded rods/screws (?) into concrete...i think you made a good choice. Metabo would be a good choice too i think, they did a lot in the recent past to improve their cordless products. Maybe it´s because a former Milwaukee engineer works there now i heard...
if you found a Festool friend check out their cordless drills if you´re into woodworking !

Thanks, I've been loving both the impact and the hammer drill. I actually just was looking for a nice cordless drill and noticed the hammer drill was only $50 more so I figured why not. I'm really glad I did cause I've been drilling concrete more often than anything else the past two weeks. I really looked hard at Metabo's 18v line. From what I've gathered they are very nice as well. I'm sure the Milwaukee engineer has something to do with it, Milwaukee's 18v line is starting to separate themselves from the rest of the power tool brands that Lowes and Homedepot also carry (Dewalt, Rigid, Makita, etc...)

Doesn´t Sears still stock them ?

I haven't been to Sears in a while, but when I did they only had the Craftsman rebranded Knipex Cobras, which would go on sale every so often for really good prices. I bought the 7in and 10in set for $30 a while back. Its the older style Cobras that don't have as many positions.

i only own one each so i don´t know which one i like better yet...we will see when i own 2 each Fein cases are also pretty nice, you can´t lock them together but they have a sturdy styrofoam insert which should last longer and protect the tool better than the thin plastic inserts the competitors use.

Well with more Bosch tools coming out, perhaps a L-Boxx is in the future for me.

they should make a adapter like that...that would be nice.....

Sadly Bosch stole my design I've been using for 4 years and now they do make an adapter...

 

[Blöckw@rt]

what brand is the angle grinder ?

FLEX !........the model name I don't know, was not my device.

 

[dutch79]

Received a nice Hazet gadget today

Made possible by Jens

 

[Rusik]

USSR
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[jensputzier]

Stahlgesmiedet = forged steel??
Garanteed Indestructable

Yes, forged steel and indestructable as you can see ;-)

Hazet blue is available in half a litre cans at 28 Euro.

 

[dutch79]

I ordered custom made Hazet blue paint due to availability issues. A pretty good match (see photo)

 

[The Muffin Man]

Picked up some drill bits for my hammer drill today...

Some screwdriver bits from Wera and Felo...

Felo's bit boxes

And Some 50mm Impaktor bits...

 

[dutch79]

A question for the guys that are familiar with the assortment of Hazet: does Hazet offer a table top toolbox with drawers? Or did they offer one in the past?

Cannot find one similar to my current table top toolbox with 4 drawers and a folding lid to put on a workbench. Would be nice to upgrade that along with more Hazet tools.

I don't have a lot of space in my garage and the Hazet Assistent is serving now as a mobile toolbox for servicing my car and stuff like that.

 

[mac_intosh]

Once there was such a table top toolbox "152", but it is not longer manufactured since the first decade of 2000. I assume there was no big demand for it any more.
Also out of production is a box "180K-4" which you can put on the Assistent 180 or your workbench. It would be easier to find that, maybe used or somewhere still in stock.

 

[dutch79]

Damn! Why don't they just make a table top version anymore!?
Really like that 152 (but will probably never own one due to rarity and extremely high prices)
Thanks for the info!

 

[mac_intosh]

Some years ago I found such a box in the woods, but it was a bit too rotten, to restore it properly....

 

[dutch79]

...and you threw it away?!
I anyone knows where to find the Hazet 152... let me know

 

[mac_intosh]

No I did not throw it away. It is still there - somewhere... maybe...

 

[dutch79]

Sent you a mail

 

[upgrading]

Just got an email about these Knipex Installation Pliers.
They look cool.
Anyone have them ?

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[dutch79]

Is it a newly released plier? Pretty useful! Looks a bit like the 3-1 multicutter from NWS, but this one has a crimping option and no regular wire stripping function at the tip (easier to pull).

 

[upgrading]

Is it a newly released plier?

Yes that is what I was wondering also.

 

[mr_jack]

Just got an email about these Knipex Installation Pliers.
They look cool.
Anyone have them ?

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Not exactly new. They came out in 2012 in Europe.
I own a pair of those and I said what I think about them - http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2572462&postcount=12405

 

[mr_jack]

... Looks a bit like the 3-1 multicutter from NWS, ...

A pic or a link, please?

'Cause I can't figure out what model is it ...

 

[handtools-from-germany]

Once there was such a table top toolbox "152", but it is not longer manufactured since the first decade of 2000. I assume there was no big demand for it any more.
Also out of production is a box "180K-4" which you can put on the Assistent 180 or your workbench. It would be easier to find that, maybe used or somewhere still in stock.

Since this year Hazet offers the Assistent 180 no longer in his catalog. But it is possible to order them - they still produce the Assistent 180 and the box too. For example "Porsche" use his own 180 Assistent in red ...

The same is for the Assistent 173 ...

 

[3baygarage]

In honor of the first Thanksgiving, some British Swinborne tools and their (native) American brother.

 

[dutch79]

A pic or a link, please?

'Cause I can't figure out what model is it ...

See the last 3 here:
http://shop.nws-tools.de/index.php/...nd-stripping-tools/wire-stripping-pliers.html

 

[dutch79]

Since this year Hazet offers the Assistent 180 no longer in his catalog. But it is possible to order them - they still produce the Assistent 180 and the box too. For example "Porsche" use his own 180 Assistent in red ...

The same is for the Assistent 173 ...

The 180-k4 can still be found, but I like the all metal vintage 152 a lot more.

 

[Monte]

Say Monte, do you plan to own all electrical tools in this part of the universe? On second thought, nevermind, we all know the answer.

i don´t have the space for millions of power tools so i think one (or two or.. ) of each kind are enough ok plus one or two dozens angle grinders

It seems the cordless trend is continuing for almost all sorts of electrical tools.
What's that with the russian image, Monte?
Bosch blue is great. We also have a wash dryer, refrigerator, all kinds of components in my car (Volvo, made in Holland by the way ),... Bosch is everywhere!

yes, i think the growth rate for Li-Ion cordless tools is like 10% per year or so.
The russian pic is from the russian Bosch forum and shows new tools for 2014 it seems. One tool looks like a small circular saw like this the other like a jig saw like this and the third is possibly a Dremel type of tool.
Volvo made in Holland ? Always learn something new... btw. older "Skil" power tools were also made in Holland.

Thanks, I've been loving both the impact and the hammer drill. I actually just was looking for a nice cordless drill and noticed the hammer drill was only $50 more so I figured why not. I'm really glad I did cause I've been drilling concrete more often than anything else the past two weeks. I really looked hard at Metabo's 18v line. From what I've gathered they are very nice as well. I'm sure the Milwaukee engineer has something to do with it, Milwaukee's 18v line is starting to separate themselves from the rest of the power tool brands that Lowes and Homedepot also carry (Dewalt, Rigid, Makita, etc...)

Does it work good in concrete ? What about a rotary hammer drill ?
Milwaukee seems to be nice but their Fuel drill is a bit on the heavy side....

I haven't been to Sears in a while, but when I did they only had the Craftsman rebranded Knipex Cobras, which would go on sale every so often for really good prices. I bought the 7in and 10in set for $30 a while back. Its the older style Cobras that don't have as many positions.

at least the sears website has Knipex listed: http://www.sears.com/search=knipex?...ms=50&redirectType=CAT_REC_PRED&prop17=knipex

Well with more Bosch tools coming out, perhaps a L-Boxx is in the future for me.

what about the Hilti boxes ? good or not ?

Sadly Bosch stole my design I've been using for 4 years and now they do make an adapter...

but theirs come with free jacket attached

FLEX !........the model name I don't know, was not my device.

i knew the color combination but the shape of the tool looked odd

Received a nice Hazet gadget today

cool bottle opener !!!

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good stuff !!













Pferd carbide burrs
www.pferd.com

 

[mr_jack]

See the last 3 here:
http://shop.nws-tools.de/index.php/...nd-stripping-tools/wire-stripping-pliers.html

Oh, I hate those.

Not exactly those, but I've used the ones with the screw thing on one of the jaws. That was probably the most idiotic hand tool I've ever bought. It's good if you're doing a repetitive job, like stripping only 2,5 mm2 cable for outlets (for instance). You set the screw in one position and off you go. But if you have to strip cables with different gauges of wire it would probably cost me more time so set the stopping screw right.
One big the advantage - pulling the sheathing in longitudinal direction. Especially good in tight places.

But for me personally those NWS are really ... pointless. Kinda like the 6-in-1 from Knipex. A new designed and expensive multipurpose tool. Bla, bla, bla. If i have to strip a cable with those NWS, I'd better do it with the diags.
I mean that for me, personally, it's much easier to do that task with the diagonal cutters.

By the way, in my post for the Knipex 13 86 200 i said that, they work best as cable shears and needle nose pliers. Not entirely true. The other day I tried to grab a wire through a hole with those, and they have failed. They are much wider than needle nose.

 

[dutch79]

Check the last 3 pliers again, because there's no screw to set on the multicutters.

 

[mr_jack]

Yes, I know there ain't a screw there.
All the negative things I wrote before were for the other type of pliers - the strippers with the screw, not for these.

P.S.: By the way that was my personal opinion. I don't mean to offend anyone that uses either of those types of pliers.

 

[mr_jack]

... Looks a bit like the 3-1 multicutter from NWS, ...

One major difference that I completely forgot to discuss - these NWS are basically side cutters, like the combination pliers here in Europe, but the cutting edges of the 13 86 200 from Knipex are cable shears. There's a big difference in the performance when cutting cable.

 

[Bhae]

 

[The Muffin Man]

Does it work good in concrete ? What about a rotary hammer drill ?
Milwaukee seems to be nice but their Fuel drill is a bit on the heavy side....

I've been using the SFH to drill some 1/2in holes in solid cinder blocks to install railings and other stuff for the past two days. I was surprised how well it works for a cordless. I would love to have one of Hilti's TE rotary hammer drills, the same coworker who got me hooked has a TE 7-C. I just don't drill concrete often enough to warrant buying one. Who knows though, if I have a bunch of concrete projects lined up in the future I would really consider a picking up a cordless TE-4

at least the sears website has Knipex listed: http://www.sears.com/search=knipex?...ms=50&redirectType=CAT_REC_PRED&prop17=knipex

Maybe I have to stop by Sears then, hopefully they have more Knipex pliers than before. Chadstoolbox has been a godsend for me. That website sells all kinds of goodness from Germany and a few other European tool companies. That is where I buy Knipex and NWS pliers from, they sell the entire catalogues for both companies along with Stahlwhile, Felo, Hazet, Wera, Wiha and more!

what about the Hilti boxes ? good or not ?

I love the Hilti box! When I bought the impact, Hilti's website only sold the kit with a carry bag. While its a robust bag, I was more inclined towards a hard case instead. The hammer drill kit gave me an option for the bag or a hard case so I went with the hard case. What I didn't know is that the hard case also had slots for the impact and could carry all 4 batteries that I had so I was really happy about that . If that wasn't the case I would have bought a hard case for the impact. The only con with the hard case is there is no room to store bits with the impact and batteries. I can fit the Wera bit-check and some of the Felo bit boxes but that is it. Not to big of a deal though, that is what the Facom tool bag is for

but theirs come with free jacket attached

I've been pressured to buy the jacket by coworkers and friends, I wear soft shell jackets just like that style all the time, and the heating element would be perfect to keep me warm when driving the backhoe and Zamboni at work .


Chadstoolbox has a promo sale on a ergonic screwdriver set so I picked up a set or two...

 

[Roverbo]

btw. some more Bosch 10,8 volt tools will be coming out in 2014:
it looks like they will bring out a Dremel tool, a barrel grip jig saw (?) and a small circular saw:


Bosch GDR 10,8-Li (a.k.a Bosch PS41) impact driver

I´ve been a little sceptical to all the cordless tools, but my Bosch Li-Ion 10,8-2 drill has in a way changed my mind. There can be weeks in between I use it, but it holds the charge, and has nice capacity, the size taken in mind. So nice that they continue the "small" 10,8 V line.

Some years ago I found such a box in the woods, but it was a bit too rotten, to restore it properly....

This is what only happens in your dreams: A walk in the park, and then a Hazet box suddenly pops up! I´ve found lots of rusty Volvos in the swedish woods, but never anything usefull...

In honor of the first Thanksgiving, some British Swinborne tools and their (native) American brother.

Very nice! So Swinborne tools were a affiliate of S-O? Like Ford and Fordson?

...

Volvo made in Holland ? Always learn something new... btw. older "Skil" power tools were also made in Holland.

Off topic, but short story: Volvo bought the car division from dutch DAF. The "infinite gear" DAFs 66 were transformed to the Volvo 340/360 series. Later the 440/460/480 FWD series were build in Holland. Japanese Mitsubishi needed a European plant for car production (EU import taxes), the "Nedcar" company formed together with Volvo. Mitsubishi Carisma and Volvo V40/S40 shared the chassis platform. Ford aquires Volvo Cars, the cooperation with Mitsubishi stops, Nedcars splits. Volvo announces in adds "Now we are "all premium"" - meening "All made in Sweden"*. I know Dutch build Volvos had a lower status in the dealership, i cant tell if it was due to lower quality or the Renault drivelines used in these cars. The Volvo dealers maybe just were too snobbish to sell affordable Volvos...
*) But many premium Volvos were, and still are, build in Belgium and Canada.

 

[dutch79]

This is what only happens in your dreams: A walk in the park, and then a Hazet box suddenly pops up! I´ve found lots of rusty Volvos in the swedish woods, but never anything usefull...

Some Volvo's can be cool even when they're rusty... (mine is still rust-free)
Mine is also built in Holland, but fortunately I have a Volvo (turbo)petrol engine + gearbox (manual)

 

[Roverbo]

Some Volvo's can be cool even when they're rusty... (fortunately mine is still rust-free)
Mine is also built in Holland, but far most don't have a Renault engine, so there's nothing wrong with those Volvo's. Just avoid the GDI-engined Volvo's

Love Volvos (i´ve owned 6 different over a long period), very reliable, and far better build cars than my old Range Rover, but I just got bitten by "the english disease" at some point . And the RR has really given me an excuse for beeing a tool addict ...never a dull, tool-free moment.
Yes, the Mitsubishi GDI really had problems (running too lean?). And yes, i know the 440/460/480s had the most of the Renault engines, but since this subject was a bit O/T, i had to keep it short...

 

[dutch79]

Not sure if I'm starting this spam this thread a bit too much with Hazet stuff , but here's some nice merchandise (tie pins/clamps):

Hazet 916s ratchet + Hazet 610 wrench size 4&5

Are these rare? Sorry for the so-so photo quality.

 

[dutch79]

My first NWS pliers (3 in 1 multicutter), to replace the Knipex regular wire stripper I recently bought

The normal version was not available at the local supplier, so I just bought the VDE.

The color/finish is different from the 2013-catalog. Not sure why that is.
Partnumber probably changed from xxxx-69-*** to xxxx-49-***..?